HAL6664
join:2003-01-15
Beverly Hills, CA | reply to wwongma
Re: Cyberonic/Covad unreachable sites So you are paying the price for 5 static IP's, but all you get is a dynamic address? You could get the same PPPoE crap with SBC/DSL for $12.99/mo. |
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 NeilStop All The Downloadin
join:2003-08-20
New York, NY | It's 1 static IP on the WAN, DHCP on the LAN. You're welcome. |
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| reply to JackKane
More unreachable sites (apparently NOT on InterNAP):
»www.pnahosting.com
»www.dynomitejj.com
»www.vortechhosting.com
The frustrating part is that traceroutes are being blocked too so it's really hard to diagnose the problem. 
Can others on 74/8 confirm? |
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phrider
join:1999-12-17
Los Angeles, CA Reviews:
 ·CYBERONIC INTERN..
3 edits | Yes, all three are blocked from my 74.0.x.x IP.
The tracert's were all blocked from Covad, but I was able to tracert to them all via Comcast/ATT: all three end up in the same place, so there are only 2 potential blockers in this chain: cogentco.com or rapidcolo.com. Well, also maybe hshere.cc or vortechhosting.com, too.
Tracert's from 74.0.x.x / Covad
Tracing route to pnahosting.com [216.157.138.128]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
4 19 ms 14 ms 16 ms 192.168.29.41
5 17 ms 14 ms 14 ms ge-6-8.car1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.247.191.
145]
6 18 ms 14 ms 15 ms ae-2-52.bbr2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.68.102.33
]
7 73 ms 72 ms 286 ms as-2-0.mp2.Tampa1.Level3.net [64.159.3.218]
8 69 ms 73 ms 72 ms ae-13-51.car3.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.68.104.11]
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * ^C
C:\Documents and Settings\FPickel.TCA2K>tracert vortechhosting.com
Tracing route to vortechhosting.com [216.157.144.16]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
4 17 ms 14 ms 15 ms 192.168.29.41
5 17 ms 14 ms 15 ms ge-6-8.car1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.247.191.
145]
6 17 ms 14 ms 14 ms ae-2-56.bbr2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.68.102.16
1]
7 73 ms 70 ms 72 ms as-2-0.mp2.Tampa1.Level3.net [64.159.3.218]
8 72 ms 73 ms 72 ms ae-23-54.car3.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.68.104.107]
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 * ^C
C:\Documents and Settings\FPickel.TCA2K>tracert dynometijj.com
Unable to resolve target system name dynometijj.com.
C:\Documents and Settings\FPickel.TCA2K>tracert www.dynomitejj.com
Tracing route to www.dynomitejj.com [216.157.138.64]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
4 132 ms 20 ms 16 ms 192.168.29.41
5 19 ms 15 ms 15 ms ge-6-8.car1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.247.191.
145]
6 19 ms 14 ms 14 ms ae-2-56.bbr2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.68.102.16
1]
7 69 ms 72 ms 72 ms as-0-0.mp1.Tampa1.Level3.net [209.247.11.197]
8 240 ms 210 ms 203 ms ae-13-55.car3.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.68.104.139]
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 * ^C
Tracert's from Comcast
C:\Documents and Settings\FPickel.TCA2K>tracert www.dynomitejj.com
Tracing route to www.dynomitejj.com [216.157.138.64]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 3 ms 3 ms 2 ms 192.168.0.1
3 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms 68.87.210.41
4 10 ms 10 ms 9 ms 68.87.208.9
5 9 ms 8 ms 9 ms 68.87.208.173
6 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms 12.127.137.21
7 12 ms 11 ms 13 ms 12.123.199.214
8 12 ms 11 ms 12 ms tbr2-p013601.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.157]
9 10 ms 9 ms 10 ms 12.123.222.45
10 22 ms 10 ms 9 ms p15-0.core01.lax05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10
.221]
11 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms p9-2.core01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.3
3]
12 12 ms 13 ms 13 ms p5-0.core01.san01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.78
]
13 43 ms 42 ms 43 ms p6-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.5]
14 63 ms 63 ms 63 ms p15-0.core01.tpa01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.4
6]
15 68 ms 65 ms 65 ms p3-0.core01.mco01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.14
1]
16 66 ms 65 ms 64 ms g0-1.na21.b006686-0.mco01.atlas.cogentco.com [66
.250.13.10]
17 66 ms 66 ms 67 ms RapidColo.demarc.cogentco.com [38.112.14.122]
18 66 ms 73 ms 65 ms barney.rapidcolo.com [216.81.79.9]
19 75 ms 68 ms 67 ms hsphere.cc [216.157.138.64]
Trace complete.
C:\Documents and Settings\FPickel.TCA2K>tracert vortechhosting.com
Tracing route to vortechhosting.com [216.157.144.16]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 3 ms 3 ms 2 ms 192.168.0.1
3 11 ms 9 ms 9 ms 68.87.210.45
4 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms 68.87.208.13
5 11 ms 8 ms 9 ms 68.87.208.9
6 8 ms 9 ms 9 ms 68.87.208.173
7 10 ms 11 ms 10 ms 12.127.137.21
8 20 ms 11 ms 10 ms 12.123.199.214
9 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms tbr2-p013601.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.157]
10 10 ms 23 ms 9 ms 12.123.222.37
11 10 ms 11 ms 9 ms p15-0.core01.lax05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10
.221]
12 12 ms 10 ms 10 ms p15-0.core01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.
213]
13 12 ms 13 ms 13 ms p5-0.core01.san01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.78
]
14 43 ms 43 ms 48 ms p6-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.5]
15 64 ms 63 ms 62 ms p15-0.core01.tpa01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.4
6]
16 64 ms 66 ms 66 ms p3-0.core01.mco01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.14
1]
17 74 ms 65 ms 66 ms g0-2.na21.b006686-0.mco01.atlas.cogentco.com [66
.250.13.14]
18 65 ms 65 ms 70 ms RapidColo.demarc.cogentco.com [38.112.14.122]
19 67 ms 68 ms 66 ms barney.rapidcolo.com [216.81.79.9]
20 101 ms 80 ms 67 ms www.vortechhosting.com [216.157.144.16]
Trace complete.
C:\Documents and Settings\FPickel.TCA2K>tracert pnahosting.com
Tracing route to pnahosting.com [216.157.138.128]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 5 ms 2 ms 2 ms 192.168.0.1
3 183 ms 199 ms 199 ms 68.87.210.41
4 13 ms 9 ms 9 ms 68.87.208.9
5 9 ms 11 ms 10 ms 68.87.208.173
6 11 ms 9 ms 11 ms 12.127.137.21
7 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms 12.123.199.214
8 13 ms 12 ms 11 ms tbr2-p013601.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.157]
9 11 ms 10 ms 9 ms 12.123.222.37
10 12 ms 11 ms 9 ms p15-0.core01.lax05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10
.221]
11 11 ms 11 ms 13 ms p6-0.core01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.2
09]
12 14 ms 12 ms 13 ms p5-0.core01.san01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.78
]
13 44 ms 43 ms 44 ms p6-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.5]
14 67 ms 64 ms 62 ms p15-0.core01.tpa01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.4
6]
15 66 ms 64 ms 66 ms p3-0.core01.mco01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.14
1]
16 66 ms 66 ms 65 ms g0-2.na21.b006686-0.mco01.atlas.cogentco.com [66
.250.13.14]
17 66 ms 66 ms 65 ms RapidColo.demarc.cogentco.com [38.112.14.122]
18 67 ms 65 ms 70 ms barney.rapidcolo.com [216.81.79.9]
19 94 ms 67 ms 66 ms hsphere.cc [216.157.138.128]
Trace complete.
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2 edits | said by phrider:Yes, all three are blocked from my 74.0.x.x IP. The tracert's were all blocked from Covad, but I was able to tracert to them all via Comcast/ATT: Same thing here. I can traceroute to them from a 209.233/16 and a 70.37/16 IP, but not from a 74.0/16 IP.
This is "retarded".
all three end up in the same place, so there are only 2 potential blockers in this chain: cogentco.com or rapidcolo.com. Well, also maybe hshere.cc or vortechhosting.com, too. I can access cogentco.com, but I cannot access rapidcolo.com, vortechhosting.com and hsphere.cc.
It appears that the block extends to, at a minimum, the 216.157.128.0/19 and 216.81.64.0/20 CIDR which are owned by Vortechhosting:
If you wanna see something hilarious, go to Vortechhosting's website and check out the jingle in their logo in the upper left hand corner: 
»www.vortechhosting.com/
The answer is "NO" from 74.0.0.0/15!!!
UPDATE
I sent an email to the Vortechhosting contact email address listed in the WHOIS entry. I get it rejected saying I have to register on their webpage first before they will accept any emails! What a load of crap! |
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phrider
join:1999-12-17
Los Angeles, CA Reviews:
·CYBERONIC INTERN..
| said by bodysurf:If you wanna see something hilarious, go to Vortechhosting's website and check out the jingle in their logo in the upper left hand corner: » www.vortechhosting.com/The answer is "NO" from 74.0.0.0/15!!! I laughed at that one, too. |
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phrider
join:1999-12-17
Los Angeles, CA | reply to JackKane
Here's the contact info off the Vortech's web site:
Phone/EMail/Web Support: 24/7/365
Phone:407-323-5634 option 2
Email: support@vortechhosting.com
Fax (all Departments): 407-650-2507
A fax number -- all you need. |
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| said by phrider:Here's the contact info off the Vortech's web site: Phone/EMail/Web Support: 24/7/365 Phone:407-323-5634 option 2 Email: support@vortechhosting.com Fax (all Departments): 407-650-2507 A fax number -- all you need. Already did the fax thing after the email problem. I'm not gonna jump thru registration hoops to send them email.
I also noticed they have a support website at »www.vortechsupport.com with a different fax number 407-447-5413. Sent the same FAX there. |
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| It looks like VortechHosting finally realized that maybe we did know what we were talking about and removed the blocks on 216.81.64.0/20 and 216.157.128.0/19:
(from a 74.0.0.0/15 CIDR IP)
$ host www.vortechsupport.com
www.vortechsupport.com has address 216.157.144.94
[tim@h-74-0-89-82 ~]$ telnet www.vortechsupport.com 80
Trying 216.157.144.94...
Connected to www.vortechsupport.com (216.157.144.94).
Escape character is '^]'.
^]
I guess that leaves Shutterfly and Friendster. |
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| And www.parago.com, the rebate processing monster. And the site that T-Mobile uses for sending text messages - wmg.tmomail.net . I e-mailed Parago, no reply yet. |
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| said by IgorKane :
And www.parago.com, the rebate processing monster. And the site that T-Mobile uses for sending text messages - wmg.tmomail.net . I e-mailed Parago, no reply yet. Oh, and I forgot about globix.net (at least the DNS). I will contact them and the ones you mentioned. The more complaints, the merrier. |
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| said by bodysurf:said by IgorKane :
And www.parago.com, the rebate processing monster. And the site that T-Mobile uses for sending text messages - wmg.tmomail.net . I e-mailed Parago, no reply yet. Oh, and I forgot about globix.net (at least the DNS). I will contact them and the ones you mentioned. The more complaints, the merrier. UPDATE:
First, I verified that »www.parago.com was being blocked from 74.0.0.0/15 (well, at least one IP from my /248 that is within that range is being blocked) and then went to Parago.COM's website and whois information.
Their website has no contact phone number, fax number or email address (only a stupid contact form) and their whois had no fax number, but they did have a telephone number. I called the telephone # and requested a fax number which they were unwilling to give me (STUPID POLICY -- it is so much easier to spell out the problem in words than to try and do it verbally). I was however transfered to the person who was apparently in charge of network operations there.
I told him what was going on and I told him that I thought Global Crossing (GLOBIX.NET) was blocking access to his website. He told me that they didn't use Global Crossing and that I should contact them. I told him that his website did resolve to '146.82.141.9' which is shown to be under Global Crossing. He went like "Oh yeah that's right". He then said something about why I didn't go to the main website instead of that. I said that is what the website resolved to! He then asked me if I was an ISP (sure -- why not?) and he asked me why I wanted to go to the website (I don't know my "users" wanted to, but they complained to me about it). He finally told me to email the information to him and he would look into it.
Talk about making someone jump through hoops! |
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| reply to IgorKane
said by IgorKane :
And www.parago.com, the rebate processing monster. Works now for me from a 74/8 IP. |
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phrider
join:1999-12-17
Los Angeles, CA Reviews:
·CYBERONIC INTERN..
| reply to JackKane
I received the following email today (3/20) from American Airlines:
We made modifications on March 8 that should now allow you to access
www.aa.com for American Airlines. If you are still experiencing
problems, please let me know.
AA.com Website Operations
American Airlines |
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| »www.shutterfly.com and »www.friendster.com now work.
Are there any more IP that are blocking access to the 74/8 IPs? |
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| »wmg.tmomail.net/customer_site/js···g_lo.jsp is still unreachable. Don't know who exactly to e-mail. Going to the root of that site does not help, looks like they are running apps on it. |
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phrider
join:1999-12-17
Los Angeles, CA Reviews:
·CYBERONIC INTERN..
3 edits | reply to JackKane
The problem with the TMOmail site may not be with Cyberonic. TMO has been redoing its website, and seems to be having some issues.
I was able to get through to your TMOmail link via Comcast but not Cyberonic. Try contacting T-Mobile.com -- the tmomail.net site is theirs.
PS: I can get to »t-mobile.com but not your tmomail.net link.
Contact info is below:
Whois info for, tmomail.net:
Registrant:
T-Mobile USA
12920 SE 38th Street
Bellevue, WA 98006
US
Domain name: TMOMAIL.NET
Administrative Contact:
T-Mobile, USA admin@tmodns.net
12920 SE 38th Street
Bellevue, WA 98006
US
1-888-662-4662
Technical Contact:
T-Mobile, USA admin@tmodns.net
12920 SE 38th Street
Bellevue, WA 98006
US
1-888-662-4662 |
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NeilStop All The Downloadin
join:2003-08-20
New York, NY | reply to JackKane
I'm told that acronymfinder.com is blocking 74/8 too, can someone verify this? |
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1 edit | said by Neil:I'm told that acronymfinder.com is blocking 74/8 too, can someone verify this? Yes. And this COGENTCO router appears to be the one blocking 74/8 IPs on the way to that website: FrontRangeInternet.demarc.cogentco.com [66.250.5.254]$ jwhois -i 66.250.5.254
[Querying whois.arin.net]
[Redirected to rwhois.cogentco.com:4321]
[Querying rwhois.cogentco.com]
[whois.arin.net]
OrgName: Cogent Communications
OrgID: COGC
Address: 1015 31st St NW
City: Washington
StateProv: DC
PostalCode: 20007
Country: US
ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.cogentco.com:4321/
NetRange: 66.250.0.0 - 66.250.255.255
CIDR: 66.250.0.0/16
NetName: COGENT-NB-0001
NetHandle: NET-66-250-0-0-1
Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: AUTH1.DNS.COGENTCO.COM
NameServer: AUTH2.DNS.COGENTCO.COM
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
Comment:
Comment: ********************************************
Comment: Reassignment information for this block is
Comment: available at rwhois.cogentco.com port 4321
Comment: ********************************************
RegDate: 2002-03-20
Updated: 2003-12-01
RTechHandle: ZC108-ARIN
RTechName: Cogent Communications
RTechPhone: +1-877-875-4311
RTechEmail: noc@cogentco.com
OrgAbuseHandle: COGEN-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Cogent Abuse
OrgAbusePhone: +1-877-875-4311
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@cogentco.com
OrgNOCHandle: ZC108-ARIN
OrgNOCName: Cogent Communications
OrgNOCPhone: +1-877-875-4311
OrgNOCEmail: noc@cogentco.com
OrgTechHandle: IPALL-ARIN
OrgTechName: IP Allocation
OrgTechPhone: +1-877-875-4311
OrgTechEmail: ipalloc@cogentco.com
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2006-03-21 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
[rwhois.cogentco.com]
%rwhois V-1.5:0010b0:00 rwhois.cogentco.com
ip/rwhois.php 66.250.5.254
66.250.5.254
network:ID:NET-42FA05FC1E
network:Network-Name:NET-42FA05FC1E
network:IP-Network:66.250.5.252/30
network:Org-Name:Frontrange Internet
network:Street-Address:213 linden street
network:City:fort Collins
network:State:CO
network:Postal-Code:80524
network:Tech-Contact:ZC108-ARIN
network:Updated:2005-10-18 18:35:24
network:Updated-by:jknowles
%ok I feel like we are playing "whack a mole". |
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phrider
join:1999-12-17
Los Angeles, CA Reviews:
·CYBERONIC INTERN..
| said by bodysurf:I feel like we are playing "whack a mole". Nah. When we (especially you) whack these moles, they're gone. Or so we hope. |
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