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Re: Why Is Verizon Wasting Time With Unfriendly Governments? Verizon should deploy FiOS and then do a suprise IPTV turn on with or without franchise agreements once the network is in place. and call the IPTV a Data service and not a cable TV service.
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| said by Kearnstd:Verizon should deploy FiOS and then do a suprise IPTV turn on with or without franchise agreements once the network is in place. and call the IPTV a Data service and not a cable TV service. That is exactly what AT&T is doing. And then daring the local community to go into court where AT&T are sure they will win.
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Kearnstd:Verizon should deploy FiOS and then do a suprise IPTV turn on with or without franchise agreements once the network is in place. and call the IPTV a Data service and not a cable TV service. That is exactly what AT&T is doing. And then daring the local community to go into court where AT&T are sure they will win. Forget court. If the video deployment is a hit, can you imagine local politicians trying to pull the product from happy voters? |
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 rec9140Provoice just DO it
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Mulberry, FL | reply to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd:
Verizon should deploy FiOS and then do a suprise IPTV turn on with or without franchise agreements once the network is in place. and call the IPTV a Data service and not a cable TV service.
EXACTLY! ! !
Although as far as I am personlly concerned they should just forget the stupid video service. I am a very happy dish user, and that ain't changing. The video offering just can't match what I get from Dish.
I really don't get the whoopdeeedoo about the TV part. HD, don't care, PPV, don't care, VOD, don't care. Can't offer west cost networks, or match the movie line up I get, so its a turkey.
I am all for competition as it keeps the greedy crapble companies in line, but if this is slowing down getting fiber for data to me. DITCH IT!
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I really don't get the whoopdeeedoo about the TV part. HD, don't care, PPV, don't care, VOD, don't care. Can't offer west cost networks, or match the movie line up I get, so its a turkey.
You're looking at it backwards. The only way they can "sell" FIOS to investors is to convince them that this new fiber pipe is actually needed for something. Problem is, old coax and twisted pair *works just fine* for high speed internet service for the vast majority of people. TV is about the only thing phone copper can't do well, although SBC/AT&T seems determined to fit a square peg in a round hole.
I'm glad you like your Dish service, but it's really a dinosaur. You haven't seen how useful a "movie lineup" can be until you've seen what happens when you combine free VOD with your premium channel subscriptions. Now you can watch *any* movie that's being aired on premium channels *whenever you want* from a categorized list. Way more useful! And who cares about HD? I do!
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Mount Airy, MD | said by djrobx:And who cares about HD? I do! Must... Have... HD...
I was really pissed when Comcast stopped carrying USA in HD. Their HD channel lineup outside of premium channels is now just a subset of what I can get off-air. I hate non-HD programming so much that I don't even bother watching most of the non-HD channels... heck, I even watch PBS because its in HD and I can't stand public broadcasting!
I figured once I got a house I could just get all of my HD off-air since Comcast doesn't have much of a selection anyway. As for FIOS... if they offered a huge array of HD programming, I would jump.
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rec9140Provoice just DO it
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Mulberry, FL | reply to djrobx
said by djrobx:
You're looking at it backwards. The only way they can "sell" FIOS to investors is to convince them that this new fiber pipe is actually needed for something. Problem is, old coax and twisted pair *works just fine* for high speed internet service for the vast majority of people. TV is about the only thing phone copper can't do well, although SBC/AT&T seems determined to fit a square peg in a round hole.
Thats the problem the investors are idiots as well as the analysts. There are only looking for QUICK $$$ not LONG TERM FUTURE VIABILITY of the NETWORK AND COMPANY. VZ will be WAY AHEAD of the "Death Star" company with its fiber network that it will take years for them to catch up. It may also end some of the merger mania. Cooper is only good for HSI, IF the ILEC decides to invest in the network to get DSL to 100% areas. My area, forget it, SLC's etc. all over the place, DSL is never coming to my area. VZ made a choice to dump copper and go fiber, good move. This is one time when shooting the messenger is needed.
said by djrobx:
I'm glad you like your Dish service, but it's really a dinosaur. You haven't seen how useful a "movie lineup" can be until you've seen what happens when you combine free VOD with your premium channel subscriptions. Now you can watch *any* movie that's being aired on premium channels *whenever you want* from a categorized list.
I have this thing called a DVD-R which quite nicely records what I want, and plays it back when I want. No need for VOD. This is another turkey as far as me, I don't see the need with PVR's, DVD-R's and even a VCR.
FIOS TV offerings do not match the present level of movie channels I get now, and thus its not useful for me. I am not downgrading channels I watch just because its there. Theres no savings if I can not watch what I want on a channel because I don't get it.
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Way more useful! And who cares about HD? I do!
HD is a turkey, I am not impressed, and its a waste of bandwidth be DBS or fiber or coax. HD is for the uber niche videophile, and thats not me and its a very small group. If floats your boat,great, I am tired of hearing about it. I am not impressed with HD. A simple conversion to digital format for OTA, fine.
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| Fair enough, and I can understand your sentiments. But you have to admit that HD signal TV in some format (probably several) will continue to gain traction as the hardware prices come down and new products are launched. The way I see it the older 720p only stuff will become the baseline affordable screens, while the newer, fancier, 1080p screens will become the new top niche. There's just too much perceived profit potential driving the HD market right now for it to slow down at this point. Just look at all the hype concerning blu-ray and HD-DVD...Truthfully I could care less about those devices because they are going to hose the whole concept with draconian hardware/software protection schemes. But, just because I'm uninterested, doesn't mean there aren't thousands lined up to buy into the fiasco. |
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HD is a turkey, I am not impressed, and its a waste of bandwidth be DBS or fiber or coax. HD is for the uber niche videophile, and thats not me and its a very small group. If floats your boat,great, I am tired of hearing about it. I am not impressed with HD. A simple conversion to digital format for OTA, fine. You've hit that nail right on the head. Even the content providers know this and are far more interested in the "multicasting" (multi-channel) capability of ATV than the HD aspect, which is mostly a money-losing toy. |
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said by Kearnstd: call the IPTV a Data service and not a cable TV service. Exactly right... the whole point of IPTV, it's all data... video=data. For that matter, voice=data, web pages=data, everything is just plain data. The experience you get from the data depends on what you use for the Human-System Interface, Video display, PC, telephone, audio receiver (radio over IP - why not?). |
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Make more sense to get (TV) franchise license, before install? Just a thought.
Wouldn't it put more pressure on (local) governments if Verizon didn't begin the months long process of installing fiber *UNTIL* they had whatever (TV) franchise required, in hand?
Such pressure only likely to be a bit more than noticable?
Essentially pointless?
Internet / Phone only ain't "never" gonna' pay to install FiOS into an entire town, without the vital TV segment? |
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