 CjaicemanPremium,MVM
join:2004-10-12
Parker, CO
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| Quality vs. Cost So, basically they are sacrificing quality for cost... Do I smell another OOL?
On the other hand, it could also speed up the install time so more people get done per day, resulting in a faster rollout.
Personally, I would choose to have CAT6 or CAT6e prerun though the house then have verizon come out and just make the connection to the house. But thats my 2 cents.... (and I'm pretty sure no one really cares  ) |
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paisp
join:2004-02-16
Newtown, PA | said by Cjaiceman:So, basically they are sacrificing quality for cost... Do I smell another OOL? On the other hand, it could also speed up the install time so more people get done per day, resulting in a faster rollout. Personally, I would choose to have CAT6 or CAT6e prerun though the house then have verizon come out and just make the connection to the house. But thats my 2 cents.... (and I'm pretty sure no one really cares ) That's cool. So, pay to have your house wired with CAT6. But if a provider can supply the same service over existing RG6, (which is fantastic cabling), then why spend more money just because people "want" it, thereby making it cost us all more money.
I'm not bashing you, but think about where we all were just not too long ago. A T1 was $3000.00 and broadband was hardly available to anyone. Now we're getting a little piggish, the American way I guess.
I'm willing to bet if Verizon ran fiber to people's TV and made the service free people would still find something to gripe about.
Bottom line, surfing websites, downloading email, and watching porn will all be just as fast over RG6 as it would be delivered another way locally in the house.
Speaking of bitching, I can't wait to see the next article "Cablo Co's Complaining About Verizon Using Their Coax In Customer's Homes". I don't recall seeing a check from comcrap to wire my house with coax. But they'll bitch, I'm sure. |
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 N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:1 | I don't think this changes a whole heck of a lot.
Verizon is still going to run fiber to the ONT mounted at your house (if I read the article correctly), they're just going to change the way the signal is distributed through the house.
Quite frankly, I would rather run my own cat 5 in my house, and I don't think the TV service is coming to my town any time soon. Franchise issues.
Of course, I have a ranch house with an open basement, so running cat 5 in my basement is a breeze.. |
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ChrisPC
join:2002-01-30
Hermitage, TN | reply to paisp
The American way is piggish? Then how come Sweden, Japan, etc., have 100MB and we only have 6 or 8? |
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paisp
join:2004-02-16
Newtown, PA | said by ChrisPC:The American way is piggish? Then how come Sweden, Japan, etc., have 100MB and we only have 6 or 8? I'm not really sure. I'm sure the economics are different though... such as law suits, corporate fraud, national debt, taxes, etc. Its all relative don't you think? I think this all affects us all individually. Maybe if we took a good atom-bombing from Japan and then let them rebuild our country brand new, then maybe they'd have less money to splash around on getting people 100MB of useless bandwidth, for example.
But a better question is this. What would you do today differently than you would normally if you were suddenly given 100MB?
Don't you think also that when we see 100MB, and Japan has Gigabit, then we'd all complain too? Human nature.. especially in a country where we have everything in an instant.
Oh, by the way isn't fuel costs over there three or four times the cost of what we pay? Its all relative... |
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said by ChrisPC:The American way is piggish? Then how come Sweden, Japan, etc., have 100MB and we only have 6 or 8? because those countries actually think the internet is important for the future and have either ensured there is competition or have used government money.
This is in stark contrast to the U.S. where nothing technical (except weapons systems) is of interest to the current government and the telecom industry is being allowed to turn back into an unregulated monopoly/duopoly. |
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said by N3OGH:I don't think this changes a whole heck of a lot. Verizon is still going to run fiber to the ONT mounted at your house (if I read the article correctly), they're just going to change the way the signal is distributed through the house. This is a good thing. At least fiber to the wall.
said by N3OGH:Quite frankly, I would rather run my own cat 5 in my house, and I don't think the TV service is coming to my town any time soon. Franchise issues. Of course, I have a ranch house with an open basement, so running cat 5 in my basement is a breeze.. I agree with you here BUT this is a site mostly for people who know either the advantages of this and/or know how to do it. Newer houses are being wired up for this but older houses with those that do not know will be the issue.
I know for sure that if a tech came up to a house with a distribution system in place, his dad would be a whole lot easier. |
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i have ool 30-2 service and i get 28945download and 1.985up day and night i have n\p whit ool .... now whan i had verizon dsl my home move 3.000 feet 3 dif time ... |
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TX Tech
join:2005-10-17
Lewisville, TX | reply to Cjaiceman
What are you missing? The speeds of MoCA are 270 mbps. That doesn't really seem like it's a bottleneck of any kind. There is absolutely no quality sacrifice in MoCA. It's a win win for everyone. |
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How much should we expect a person to pay for a T1 line now? |
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 RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | reply to tonyfer2
said by tonyfer2:i have ool 30-2 service and i get 28945download and 1.985up day and night i have n\p whit ool .... now whan i had verizon dsl my home move 3.000 feet 3 dif time ... OOL = Coax
FiOS = Fiber
DSL = Copper
NONE of these can be compared to each other. You may be able to obtain 2.9mb down and 2mb up, but you're still on coax.
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 AnnaS8
join:2005-05-26
Annapolis, MD | reply to paisp
said by paisp:said by Cjaiceman:So, basically they are sacrificing quality for cost... Do I smell another OOL? On the other hand, it could also speed up the install time so more people get done per day, resulting in a faster rollout. Personally, I would choose to have CAT6 or CAT6e prerun though the house then have verizon come out and just make the connection to the house. But thats my 2 cents.... (and I'm pretty sure no one really cares ) That's cool. So, pay to have your house wired with CAT6. But if a provider can supply the same service over existing RG6, (which is fantastic cabling), then why spend more money just because people "want" it, thereby making it cost us all more money. I'm not bashing you, but think about where we all were just not too long ago. A T1 was $3000.00 and broadband was hardly available to anyone. Now we're getting a little piggish, the American way I guess. I'm willing to bet if Verizon ran fiber to people's TV and made the service free people would still find something to gripe about. Bottom line, surfing websites, downloading email, and watching porn will all be just as fast over RG6 as it would be delivered another way locally in the house. Speaking of bitching, I can't wait to see the next article "Cablo Co's Complaining About Verizon Using Their Coax In Customer's Homes". I don't recall seeing a check from comcrap to wire my house with coax. But they'll bitch, I'm sure. Ok so the fact that we have have slower speeds then Japan is some how connected to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? WTF? What about China? I guess that is from our protest of what happened in the Red Square? Europe? Is that from the Berlin Wall falling?
Yes it wasn't that long ago that we were inching along at 2400 baud either. So you think we are bitching cuz we want more? Bottom line is that 8 or 9 is great if all you are doing is surfing the web but as we tack on more and more internet services such as IPTV or VOIP...Then the less and less effective that speeds becomes.
I think it is good that Verizon puts fiber into the homes. It shows me they are thinking ahead. They got here late in the game and with their speeds now and in the future I think fiber in the homes is a better choice. Especially with more and more people building gigabit networks at their homes, it becomes all the more necessary. I think that Verizon should tell the impatient investors to go suck an egg.
I do agree with you that next you will see Comcast complaining about them installing on their cable in the homes.  |
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paisp
join:2004-02-16
Newtown, PA | reply to Penny3000
said by Penny3000:How much should we expect a person to pay for a T1 line now? Maybe 400-500. Why? |
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 mrchrisOut and aroundPremium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | reply to Rob
I believe OOL uses a Coax hybrid with something else. |
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paisp
join:2004-02-16
Newtown, PA | reply to AnnaS8
said by AnnaS8:said by paisp:said by Cjaiceman:So, basically they are sacrificing quality for cost... Do I smell another OOL? On the other hand, it could also speed up the install time so more people get done per day, resulting in a faster rollout. Personally, I would choose to have CAT6 or CAT6e prerun though the house then have verizon come out and just make the connection to the house. But thats my 2 cents.... (and I'm pretty sure no one really cares ) That's cool. So, pay to have your house wired with CAT6. But if a provider can supply the same service over existing RG6, (which is fantastic cabling), then why spend more money just because people "want" it, thereby making it cost us all more money. I'm not bashing you, but think about where we all were just not too long ago. A T1 was $3000.00 and broadband was hardly available to anyone. Now we're getting a little piggish, the American way I guess. I'm willing to bet if Verizon ran fiber to people's TV and made the service free people would still find something to gripe about. Bottom line, surfing websites, downloading email, and watching porn will all be just as fast over RG6 as it would be delivered another way locally in the house. Speaking of bitching, I can't wait to see the next article "Cablo Co's Complaining About Verizon Using Their Coax In Customer's Homes". I don't recall seeing a check from comcrap to wire my house with coax. But they'll bitch, I'm sure. Ok so the fact that we have have slower speeds then Japan is some how connected to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? WTF? What about China? I guess that is from our protest of what happened in the Red Square? Europe? Is that from the Berlin Wall falling? No, what I mean is that the economics are different for each country. Should we spend tons of gov't money on making the Internet faster for the whiners who can never have too much, toon cheap? Or, should we continue to act out the role we have assumed in being the leaders of the world, and protecting ourselves with military mite.
Maybe our gov't doesn't have the money to pay our way with 100mbps. Maybe other countries do. So its not easily asked "why does everyone else have it an not me?". There's more to the equation.
I for one and not interested in paying $1.00 more in taxes so the cry babies can get their faster Internet. If they want it, pay for it out of their own pockets.
There's tons of ways of looking at it. My way is my opinion. But each country is different... and I think what we have today is enough at 6mbps in a sense that it allows us to do many things. No, it doesn't allow you to download movies and maybe that's not on the top of everyone's list as much as email, phone and web are.
I run an ISP service so my view is from the provider side. Every single day customer's ask for faster and faster speeds but they don't want to pay more, and/or they want to pay less then they pay now. Amazing. Then when I ask what they need the speed for... well, the most common answer is "my Internet at home is faster and it should be at least that fast in my office". Never can I get a straight answer like "I need to download webpages faster" or I need to download files faster. Actually, I've never actually had a valid answer to that question yet. People just want more, for less... and I think its become the way of the world around here.
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AnnaS8
join:2005-05-26
Annapolis, MD | said by paisp:I run an ISP service so my view is from the provider side. Every single day customer's ask for faster and faster speeds but they don't want to pay more, and/or they want to pay less then they pay now. Amazing. Then when I ask what they need the speed for... well, the most common answer is "my Internet at home is faster and it should be at least that fast in my office". Never can I get a straight answer like "I need to download webpages faster" or I need to download files faster. Actually, I've never actually had a valid answer to that question yet. People just want more, for less... and I think its become the way of the world around here. Just my opinion. Right or wrong, its mine That is called the Walmart effect. LOL I agree with you that if you want something you have to pay for it. The government has better things to spend their money on then internet and I don't they should pay for it. I want more speed so I pay for it. I am getting the FIOS 30/5 plan as soon as it is available to me. What amazes me that most people don't understand that...yeah the down connection at home is faster but your up connection isn't. The problem being is the up speed is less noticeable. Only people who do a lot of uploading even notice it.
I also agree that yes your opinion is yours right or wrong and I believe you and everyone else have a right to have one. I am also pleasantly surprised when there is someone who realizes that and respects it. I am so sick of the discussions that melt down into insults of sexual preference and or insults of lack of intelligence. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to AnnaS8
"I do agree with you that next you will see Comcast complaining about them installing on their cable in the homes. "
That's just plain silly. Comcast knows that the inside wiring belongs to the customer.
This is why Comcast charges for work on a customer's inside wiring too, right? If there is a problem found in the home, the customer either pays for it or has it covered with an in home service plan, right?
I disagree that Comcast will be "complaining about them installing on their cable in the home"...
I do see the customer complaining, however, in return if they are charged by Comcast, for what ever reason if it happened, for putting in more cable should they need it. (Yes, there are people that run Comcast TV side by side with Satellite - probably for sports or other local services that the other provider doesn't carry) It happens all the time. A cusotmer will call for competing service. (sat) and then they call Comcast out to 'fix their tv since they can't get it any more' and then Comcast will charge, at least here, an install fee equal to the unwired home for up to $45.00 for the outlet since 'it's no longer there' thanks to their decision to let the competing service use the existing cable.
I agree there will be complaining, but it won't come from Comcast. |
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AnnaS8
join:2005-05-26
Annapolis, MD | said by fiberguy:"I do agree with you that next you will see Comcast complaining about them installing on their cable in the homes. " Did you not see the smiley face? It was a JOKE. Sheesh. Well more like sarcasm. Funny none the less.
I also agree with you though...I know of one such person that is like that. I also in the near future will be like that. Well with internet that is. I plain in having Comcast HSI and Verizon FIOS together. Though I wouldn't have anyone do the wiring but me. I am just like that. |
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Because I have a business that currently pays 1800 for two bonded Ts with a cisco router (considered it a lease) for the gateway. The contract ends next February and the Bellsouth Rep wants me to sign a new contract for $1300 for two bonded Ts. What do you think of this? |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | reply to ChrisPC
said by ChrisPC:The American way is piggish? Then how come Sweden, Japan, etc., have 100MB and we only have 6 or 8? two words
"Corporate Greed"
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