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aj007
join:2006-03-02
00000 | Does this mean its still fiber to the home/apartment,? Does this mean its still fiber to the home/apartment and so they will just use the existing coaxial in the home if available?
Im confused because it makes it sound like FTTP is turning into HFC instead. | |
|  | | Re: Does this mean its still fiber to the home/apartment,? Well.. so they just become another Cable company,,,, So what is the future here... I tought Fiber will bring us many other benefits in the future but now... what? | |
| | aj007
join:2006-03-02
00000 | Re: Does this mean its still fiber to the home/apartment,? If its not FTTP, then whats the difference between Verizon and the Cable company which also will use high speed delivery over coaxial?
Either its Fiber to the premises or its not. | |
| | |  PathfinderDazed ConfusedPremium
join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY
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| Re: Does this mean its still fiber to the home/apartment,? said by lead :
Later this year, Verizon plans to use 270 Mbps capable equipment from the Multimedia Over Coax alliance (MOCA), which will allow the company to use more existing coax wiring in the home to reduce some installation costs. Verizon has been under pressure by impatient investors.
It will still be FTTP but they will use existing coax in the home if possible.
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| Re: Does this mean its still fiber to the home/apartment,? And that existing coax will *only* be used for the STBs and VOD. The *seed money* for MoCA came from (among others) Comcast and Motorola. So you're basically talking about modified versions of the STBs that Comcast and Verizon install today. And if VZ (or Comcast, for that matter) can use the existing coax, why WOULDN'T they? It beats a rewiring (which is the only alternative). The ONTs that VZ uses today include a coax port for such connections. With a *garage mount* for the ONT, it often is not far from where the CATV coax enters the house (the demarc point). In fact, both CATV and telco often either share demarc points, or they are next door to each other. (For example, in our own house, the CATV and telco (VZ, in case you're wondering) have demarcs next to each other, separated by less than six inches.) If they can use *existing coax* to place and provide TV services, why not? The coax throughout the house is all RG-6 (which is actually typical for modern CATV prewiring). However, *that* is not why the investors are griping.
Some investors (primarily the so-called *institutional investors* like 401k plans, the largest of which happens to be CalPERS, the California state employees' pension system) are irked that VZ is spending all this money replacing *good old copper* with fiber (especially over the *last mile*, from the CO to the customer). Why are they upset? Because they feel they should, instead, be getting a larger dividend in the short term. The pension plans see the upcoming retirement of the baby boomers, and are cringing (for the same reason that the Social Security Administration is worried over the same issue); the obligations are coming due, and they are not small!
That is the REAL issue; the pension plans want to maximize dividends because they have pensions to pay, while the companies they invested in want to reduce expenses in the long term, which requires SPENDING money (and lots of it) in the short term. The pension plans largely won at SBC and BellSouth (notice that not only did neither company go any further than FTTN, but that SBC bought AT&T, and is now trying to buy BellSouth), and are now trying to rope in VZ (either by economic blackmail, since buying them won't be possible, or, if at all possible, by throwing up roadblocks to FTTP). Meanwhile, the partially-rebuilt AT&T (with copper over the last mile) will *still* have all those nasty copper M&R expenses to deal with (which are by and large *concentrated* in that last mile), while VZ won't. The difference between the two will be *last-mile reliability*. | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | said by chemaupr:Well.. so they just become another Cable company,,,, So what is the future here... I tought Fiber will bring us many other benefits in the future but now... what? ::sigh::
Guys, calm down before you make assumptions.
Look at it this way. HFC is what cable has been doing now for over a decade. It's fiber from the HE to the node where it's passed off on to coax. Then begins your node. Look at the capability of the node itself. If you were the ONLY Person on the node, would you be happy if they opened it wide open to you and only you? Do many of you guys realize just how much bandwidth and space there is on a single node before it's split up to share among all the homes on it? If you were the ONLY home on the node and it was WIDE open to you, I guarantee that many of you could care less about fiber because you'd have more BW than you could use.
Now, look at what we have here. Verizon fiber hitting coas at your home. The way I can see this is that you have the node at your home and you are the only one on it. 270mb is more BW that you can use right now. What's different? It's cheaper and easier in the future to upgrade homes on a needed basis as time comes.
I think many of you are jumping the gun on your gripes. They aren't even pushing anything to you at this time that will fill up what they are porposing.
If you think you are going to see gigabit speeds anytime soon, you aren't. The majority of the BW that Verizon uses right now is going to be for their own services while leaving the rest for internet. Currently, the fastest speeds they offer is 30/5. Their new option will certainly handle 30/5, telephone, and pleanty of television.
Who knows, in the future if they ever do offer gigabit speeds (which I doubt will happen for decades to come) they should easily be able to upgrade the home at a premium to the customer. ::GASP:: Yes, a 'premium to the customer' as it should be. | |
| | |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: Does this mean its still fiber to the home/apartment,? yeah its 38 down and 4.6 up.
docsis 2.0 moves that upload to 10mbps
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| | | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: Does this mean its still fiber to the home/apartment,? dvd.. WHAT is 38 down and 4.6 up? What are you referring to? | |
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| | srobmw
join:2005-10-01
New Windsor, NY | Good points, Fiberguy.
The point that seems to be lost here is that the data and tv are being transmitted over different wavelengths and therefore do not eat into each others bandwidth.
If the connection is 30 mbs and the data is at 1310 nm and the video is at 1550 nm, you will get the full 30 mbs for both services.
The beauty of wave division multiplexing.
This is why the service is infinitely better than nodes in the field. | |
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paisp
join:2004-02-16
Newtown, PA | said by aj007:Does this mean its still fiber to the home/apartment and so they will just use the existing coaxial in the home if available? Im confused because it makes it sound like FTTP is turning into HFC instead. It just means they will use the existing wiring inside the home if its there, and most likely if the coax type is RG6. They ain't gonna use RG58 I'm sure. | |
| | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: Does this mean its still fiber to the home/apartment,? said by paisp:said by aj007:Im confused because it makes it sound like FTTP is turning into HFC instead. It just means they will use the existing wiring inside the home if its there, and most likely if the coax type is RG6. They ain't gonna use RG58 I'm sure. I hope they don't use the RG58 either... however, RG59? Well, it still sucks too.  | |
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