| hmm The problem is when you use somebodies home wireless conenction.
the people who own it pay money for the internet conenction that you are using. They can get introuble fro mtheir isps if you use up all their bandwidth.
If i left my door open does that make it right for you to come in and steal all my stuff? |
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 SSX4lifeHello WorldPremium
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JofCore
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Sebewaing, MI | reply to majortom1981
If i left my door open does that make it right for you to come in and steal all my stuff?
No, but if you bring all your stuff into my house, should I assume that I'm not supposed to use it? And would it then be a crime for me to use your stuff, since you are the one that brought it to my house in the first place?
I don't see how it can be considered "intruding" into someone's network when it's their freekin' access point that's offering the access. It's basically like their network is standing around and shouting "hey, internet access over here!" and offering up an invitation to other people's computers.
<standard reply>If they don't want to offer public access, then don't! Secure the network.</standard reply> |
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said by majortom1981:If i left my door open does that make it right for you to come in and steal all my stuff? Perfect world answer: No
Reality: Yes |
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*sigh*.. If you left your door open, and you left a sign saying 'please take a drink of water', would that be stealing? What if you left a sign that said 'watch my tv', would THAT be stealing? What if you left a sign that said 'listen to my music'. Would THAT be stealing?
No, no, and no. *(except the **AA's consider a TV set visible from the street, or music that can be heard by anyone except the purchaser, to be theft, so, YOU, the homeowner would be guilty of theft)
Why does your cat kill birds? Why does your dog chase squirrels? Because that's how they are wired to work (instincts). Why does your wireless card connect to open hotspots automatically? Because that's how it's wired to work. Don't like it? Become a genetic scientist, and create your own cats or dogs, or just train them. Don't like the way the access points works? The secure it. You have NO RIGHT to demand that SOMEONE ELSE change the nature of THEIR wireless access card. By setting your access point to give an IP address to anyone who walks by (no encryption, open access), you have implicitly stated that you want them to use your access point. If you secured your access point or didn't give out an IP address, then their use would be stealing.
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 tapeloopNot bad at all, really.Premium
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And yet a another reasoned, yet debatable argument wrought impotent by a rehashed metaphor.
Welcome to BBR. 
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If it comes onto my property, its simple, its tresspassing. Besides, as mentioned, it becomes public domain as it leaves your home since it travels via airwaves. |
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It's more like, your doors extended to my door, so the instant I walked outside, I was in your house. I don't really make sense but whatever, if there is no harm being done, then whatever. If you can't secure it properly, your asking for it.
We should blame our software (Operating Systems.. etc.) for auto connecting to open networks. [ |
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 rideboarderwelcome to the socialPremium
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Snohomish, WA | reply to G_Poobah
said by G_Poobah:*sigh*.. If you left your door open, and you left a sign saying 'please take a drink of water', would that be stealing? What if you left a sign that said 'watch my tv', would THAT be stealing? What if you left a sign that said 'listen to my music'. Would THAT be stealing? Let's be realistic here, there is no sign that says "please steal my internet connection," saying that just makes you look stupid.
I just love how some people try to come up with as many excuses as possible for something that has no excuse what-so-ever. But there is no point in arguing this, since it will go no where. I just hope the government will step in and make it completely illegal to freeload on someone elses connection without consent. |
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said by duhrth :
If it comes onto my property, its simple, its tresspassing. Besides, as mentioned, it becomes public domain as it leaves your home since it travels via airwaves.
100% not true. It does not become public domain, that is the law.
Guess what, skippy? Right now, DirecTV is beaming signals right into your yard.
Let me know how you do with filing the trespassing charges.
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GeekJediRF is Good For YouPremium
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said by G_Poobah:*sigh*.. If you left your door open, and you left a sign saying 'please take a drink of water', would that be stealing? What if you left a sign that said 'watch my tv', would THAT be stealing? What if you left a sign that said 'listen to my music'. Would THAT be stealing? No, no, and no. *(except the **AA's consider a TV set visible from the street, or music that can be heard by anyone except the purchaser, to be theft, so, YOU, the homeowner would be guilty of theft) Why does your cat kill birds? Why does your dog chase squirrels? Because that's how they are wired to work (instincts). Why does your wireless card connect to open hotspots automatically? Because that's how it's wired to work. Don't like it? Become a genetic scientist, and create your own cats or dogs, or just train them. Don't like the way the access points works? The secure it. You have NO RIGHT to demand that SOMEONE ELSE change the nature of THEIR wireless access card. By setting your access point to give an IP address to anyone who walks by (no encryption, open access), you have implicitly stated that you want them to use your access point. If you secured your access point or didn't give out an IP address, then their use would be stealing. How do you know that they have implicitly stated it? Where's the law that says so? If I have an access point that is not secure, I am still NOT giving you permission to use it. There is no such thing as implied consent. It is EXACTLY like the "leaving the keys in your unlocked car" analogy. Just because I make it easy for you to hop on my network does not mean I have given you permission to do so.
An access card can be just as easily told to NOT connect to certain networks. So there goes your argument.
Simply put, you are not allowed to connect to whatever you want, simply because you can.
Period.
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| "How do you know that they have implicitly stated it? Where's the law that says so?"
Hmm.. The Law? Let me quote it for you. It's from that document that George Dubyah calls 'that pesky document'. I'll quote the part :
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Is there a law PROHIBITING me from connecting to your access point? NO. Now read the 10th amendment, and it means that 'the people' have the right, unless specifically prohibited by law. It doesn't read 'You only have rights given to you by laws', it measn 'You have all rights, unless they are taken away by a law'.
Thus, I've quoted as you requested. I anxiously await your reply that states the constitution is wrong.
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said by JofCore :
No, but if you bring all your stuff into my house, should I assume that I'm not supposed to use it? And would it then be a crime for me to use your stuff, since you are the one that brought it to my house in the first place?
If your parents taught you any manners at all, then yes. If a guest brings something over to your place, you are NOT given implicit permission just because the item was brought over to your domain. You are still expected to get permission from the owner before using whatever it is. |
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said by GeekJedi:said by duhrth :
If it comes onto my property, its simple, its tresspassing. Besides, as mentioned, it becomes public domain as it leaves your home since it travels via airwaves.
100% not true. It does not become public domain, that is the law. Guess what, skippy? Right now, DirecTV is beaming signals right into your yard. Let me know how you do with filing the trespassing charges. The difference between DirecTV and open WIFI is that the DirectTV signals are not inviting and can not be "interecepted" by a TV on it's "default" settings.
WIFI freeloading can't be a crime if it is being offered to everyone in range. Sure it is illegal to walk into someone's home, even steal something, but it is not illegal if they invite you into their home or if they ask you if you would like something from their home. Wireless routers that are not secured are freely inviting people. |
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said by rideboarder:said by G_Poobah:*sigh*.. If you left your door open, and you left a sign saying 'please take a drink of water', would that be stealing? What if you left a sign that said 'watch my tv', would THAT be stealing? What if you left a sign that said 'listen to my music'. Would THAT be stealing? Let's be realistic here, there is no sign that says "please steal my internet connection," saying that just makes you look stupid. I just love how some people try to come up with as many excuses as possible for something that has no excuse what-so-ever. But there is no point in arguing this, since it will go no where. I just hope the government will step in and make it completely illegal to freeload on someone elses connection without consent. There is also no sign that reads "Don't steal my internet connection". |
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