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 TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro | reply to markopoleo
Re: ROFL said by markopoleo:“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. You don't know shit about ham radio. I am a very big technology tech and I just got my ham radio license on March 3rd. You seriously don't know anything about ham radio if all you think it is about is "ragchewing" (talking) on a radio. PSK31 operations, Meteor Scatter, Satellite Operations, Echolink Internet Repeaters, Autopatch links, Packet Radio using TCP/IP (early form of internet) etc etc.
Seriously, you people need to get off your thrown. You don't realize how much ham radio has advanced into the twenty first century. People come on here and bash it, but they know nothing. It is NOT "CB" radio, it's HAM radio. You can't even compare the two.
Do me a favor and learn something.
Ham Radio has saved many lives and has helped in countless community service projects EVERYDAY for FREE.
-Tzale
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said by uid://794284 said by Tzale:You don't know shit about ham radio. I am a very big technology tech and I just got my ham radio license on March 3rd. You seriously don't know anything about ham radio if all you think it is about is "ragchewing" (talking) on a radio. PSK31 operations, Meteor Scatter, Satellite Operations, Echolink Internet Repeaters, Autopatch links, Packet Radio using TCP/IP (early form of internet) etc etc. And any other technology in broadband and computer (TCP/IP not withstanding) isn't true technology. Is that what I understand you ranting in your chest thumphing exercise here?
said by Tzale:Seriously, you people need to get off your thrown. You don't realize how much ham radio has advanced into the twenty first century. People come on here and bash it, but they know nothing. It is NOT "CB" radio, it's HAM radio. You can't even compare the two. That's good advice. Why DON'T YOU TAKE IT???
It's a shame a lot of you HAMs just don't get it. It isn't people are bashing your hobby or technological prowess. It is your sucky ATTITUDE towards the public that isn't into HAM Radio that draws the insults and general bashing.
In case you hadn't noticed, you HAMs have an image problem with the rest of the world at large. Right now, you guys come across as a bunch of guys who are gleefully doing your best to deprive everyone else the use of technology you enjoy by helping to keep it inaccessible. And rants like the one above doesn't help.
said by Tzale:Do me a favor and learn something. Do us all a favor and learn how to deal with the non-HAM public. It might be more educational than your ranting.
said by Tzale:Ham Radio has saved many lives and has helped in countless community service projects EVERYDAY for FREE. And in between time, HAMs oppose the ways the Public might obtain services that they won't otherwise be able to get. And, by the way, just rattling off little solutions like 'FIOS or Fiber' just makes you look petty. I'm sure it makes you feel better to point to and say that's an alternative to BPL, but it makes you look ignorant when you suggest that to people who live in areas where there is not even a hint of hope that any company will ever deploy any of these 'mentioned' alternatives to those areas due to economics. You HAMs know better, and the public knows better.
You claimed that HAMS have "helped in countless community service projects EVERYDAY for FREE". So why don't you guys set up a Wireless broadband system avaialable for everybody in the community, or at least help lobby the FCC to make some of the spectrum available to regular citizens for such a service? That would help the public more than to continually bash them for finding a way to get services in places that commercial companies won't even touch. Oh, word to wise, comments, such as ones I've heard earlier, about "Why should I have to do that?" won't earn you much respect among the public.
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TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro
2 edits | Re: ROFLBQUOTE=[user=Tzale]][bquote] said by Spicerunner:said by Tzale:You don't know shit about ham radio. I am a very big technology tech and I just got my ham radio license on March 3rd. You seriously don't know anything about ham radio if all you think it is about is "ragchewing" (talking) on a radio. PSK31 operations, Meteor Scatter, Satellite Operations, Echolink Internet Repeaters, Autopatch links, Packet Radio using TCP/IP (early form of internet) etc etc. And any other technology in broadband and computer (TCP/IP not withstanding) isn't true technology. Is that what I understand you ranting in your chest thumphing exercise here? said by Tzale:Seriously, you people need to get off your thrown. You don't realize how much ham radio has advanced into the twenty first century. People come on here and bash it, but they know nothing. It is NOT "CB" radio, it's HAM radio. You can't even compare the two. That's good advice. Why DON'T YOU TAKE IT??? It's a shame a lot of you HAMs just don't get it. It isn't people are bashing your hobby or technological prowess. It is your sucky ATTITUDE towards the public that isn't into HAM Radio that draws the insults and general bashing. In case you hadn't noticed, you HAMs have an image problem with the rest of the world at large. Right now, you guys come across as a bunch of guys who are gleefully doing your best to deprive everyone else the use of technology you enjoy by helping to keep it inaccessible. And rants like the one above doesn't help. said by Tzale:Do me a favor and learn something. Do us all a favor and learn how to deal with the non-HAM public. It might be more educational than your ranting. said by Tzale:Ham Radio has saved many lives and has helped in countless community service projects EVERYDAY for FREE. And in between time, HAMs oppose the ways the Public might obtain services that they won't otherwise be able to get. And, by the way, just rattling off little solutions like 'FIOS or Fiber' just makes you look petty. I'm sure it makes you feel better to point to and say that's an alternative to BPL, but it makes you look ignorant when you suggest that to people who live in areas where there is not even a hint of hope that any company will ever deploy any of these 'mentioned' alternatives to those areas due to economics. You HAMs know better, and the public knows better. You claimed that HAMS have "helped in countless community service projects EVERYDAY for FREE". So why don't you guys set up a Wireless broadband system avaialable for everybody in the community, or at least help lobby the FCC to make some of the spectrum available to regular citizens for such a service? That would help the public more than to continually bash them for finding a way to get services in places that commercial companies won't even touch. Oh, word to wise, comments, such as ones I've heard earlier, about "Why should I have to do that?" won't earn you much respect among the public. Listen, I was PART of the non-ham public for YEARS before deciding to become part of it this past month.
BPL is USELESS compared to fiber and other technologies! BPL IS ONLY GOOD FOR TODAY NOT TOMORROW! Why BOTHER? Most electrical lines at least in my part of town are in really shitty condition, I doubt BPL would do any good! BPL would mess up other services too! Not just Ham Radio!
And I don't think hams have a bad image problem. Maybe to the few on here, but most see hams in a positive light.
We already have won the respect of the public. Many states offer "Amateur Radio" license plates and other things that put us in the "public light" as positive (such as firefighter plates, cops, doctors, etc). You can become part of it too. This isn't a "prestigious group." We're not being "pompous." Ham Radio is a hobby for people who love electronics and want to have fun doing experiments using the radio spectrum. Many hams have been using computers for decades, long before the public became "interested" in them.
I don't know if you know this, but many belong to emergency coordination groups. You might be surprised to know this but Amateur Radio is classified as a SERVICE not a HOBBY by the FCC. What does this mean? It means the FCC uses us as a service to the general public. Many local and state emergency response agencies are filled with amateur radio operators.
I think you are the one being ignorant. I am a strong supporter of broadband. I love computers and technology and Amateur Radio happens to be a facet of that. I'm by far no where near an expert at Amateur Radio, being less than one month licensed and only holding a Radio Technician license (soon to upgrade) but I feel I know enough now to see why hams are pissed off. This isn't a piss hobby, many hams have thousands of dollars in equipment setup and the entire network with repeaters took countless thousands of hours to setup.
The problem with people today is that everyone thinks a telephone (cell phones!) or the internet are "reliable." By far, they are not. If the landline system goes down, cell phones become swamped and become useless. This is what happened on the East Coast on 9/11 and when half the East Coast and Canada had the blackout in 2003. Ham Radio was heavily used with many hams standing on the streets relaying messages for people using local autopatch systems which effectively sent messages out to repeaters outside the area which relayed the voice communications onto the public phone network.
Amateur Radio operators CAN NOT setup a "wireless broadband network." We are only licensed to work on the spectrum as LICENSED non-commercial operators. That means we can't profit off anything and we are not allowed to setup something for the general public to use UNLESS it has a control operator monitoring it. Much ham radio technology is used daily with cell phones, but the way cell phones are setup by companies (fixed based and only low capacity) they don't work well in emergencies.
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Long Beach, NY | reply to Spicerunner
Re: ROFLBQUOTE=[user=Tzale]][bquote]said by uid://794284 In case you haven't noticed, hams are NOT against broadband but have legitimate complaints about the shoddy and polluting technology that is being pushed as the gift of the century in Manassas. Interestingly, all of that massive potential to pollute the HF bands (used by far more agencies than just ARRL supporters), is only a BYPRODUCT of BPL, and is not necessary for BPL to work, only physically unavoidable as it passes along power lines that were never designed to be broadband pipes.
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said by Spicerunner:It's a shame a lot of you HAMs just don't get it. It isn't people are bashing your hobby or technological prowess. It is your sucky ATTITUDE towards the public that isn't into HAM Radio that draws the insults and general bashing. In case you hadn't noticed, you HAMs have an image problem with the rest of the world at large. Right now, you guys come across as a bunch of guys who are gleefully doing your best to deprive everyone else the use of technology you enjoy by helping to keep it inaccessible. And rants like the one above doesn't help. Only if your entire world is Broadband Reports. The image problem seems to be confined to those who want broadband at any cost and think BPL is the solution to all broadband problems, and BPL proponents talking to reporters. Most of the world doesn't know about BPL or BPL interference issues. If you think ham radio is denying the world of BPL, you need to look at the situation more closely. Technology issues, power utility inertia, physics, and competition are doing more to deny you of BPL than ham radio. | |
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Re: ROFLBQUOTE=[user=Tzale]][bquote] If it is good for today and not tomorrow, then why do Hammys care so much? Let us have our fun for the next 3 years or so. You guys been having fun for much longer.
Also, isn't part of the analog tv system spectrum supposed to be freed up for emergency service communications? Seems like there's your communications issue resolved right there in 3 years anyway.
Also, me thinks satellite phones are better in an emergency anyways. That is unless you Hammys also think BPL causes satellites to fall to the ground too.
Besides, during a disaster, power will be out and there will be no BPL to interfere with your walkie talkies anyway.
Lastly, even with all the Hammys down in New Orleans people keep talking about, the thing was still a disaster no matter how you spin it. Nothing a Hammy could have done anyhow. Same thing with 9-11 too. | |
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If it is good for today and not tomorrow, then why do Hammys care so much? Let us have our fun for the next 3 years or so. You guys been having fun for much longer. If BPL actually used the spectrum to provide the service, you would have a valid point. However it doesn't use the wireless spectrum, it just emits radiation into it, rendering it useless for wireless uses.
Also, isn't part of the analog tv system spectrum supposed to be freed up for emergency service communications? Seems like there's your communications issue resolved right there in 3 years anyway.
UHF TV spectrum doesn't offer worldwide infrastructure-free communications like HF radio spectrum which BPL often interferes with.
Also, me thinks satellite phones are better in an emergency anyways. That is unless you Hammys also think BPL causes satellites to fall to the ground too. BPL doesn't interfere with satellites. BPL interferes with spectrum in the 1 to 80 Mhz range, depending on the brand of system and the particular installation. Satellites primarily use microwave frequencies (> 1 Ghz). By the way, hams have about 40 satellites in orbit or piggybacking on commercial satellites.
Besides, during a disaster, power will be out and there will be no BPL to interfere with your walkie talkies anyway. This flawed argument has been beaten to death here; you're a bit late. Stations in an emergency area need to communicate with areas that do have power. And even if you want to dismiss or ignore the emergency capabilities of ham radio, it still does't make much sense to have a wired network like BPL wreck wireless spectrum. | |
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In case you hadn't noticed, you HAMs have an image problem with the rest of the world at large. Right now, you guys come across as a bunch of guys who are gleefully doing your best to deprive everyone else the use of technology you enjoy by helping to keep it inaccessible. And rants like the one above doesn't help.
Hmm. What image problem? I've been a ham for 9 years now and I've always tried to encourage others into the hobby. I used to teach a licensing class, I've served in a ton of VE sessions and I've even personally mentored a few people. Many hams do the same thing. We want people to join the hobby because the more licensees there are, the more people there are to talk to and make friends with.
Apart from times of disaster, we also help with charity events such as walk-a-thons, marathons and fundraisers that have NOTHING to do with ham radio.
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And in between time, HAMs oppose the ways the Public might obtain services that they won't otherwise be able to get. And, by the way, just rattling off little solutions like 'FIOS or Fiber' just makes you look petty. I'm sure it makes you feel better to point to and say that's an alternative to BPL, but it makes you look ignorant when you suggest that to people who live in areas where there is not even a hint of hope that any company will ever deploy any of these 'mentioned' alternatives to those areas due to economics. You HAMs know better, and the public knows better.
I don't know where you get the idea that BPL is going to be some magic wand that people wave to get broadband into communities where there isn't any. It won't. I can guarantee you that people in rural areas will be using satellite and dialup for a long time. BPL's range is limited, and to go any appreciable distance, you need repeaters. Not the case with fiber, which you can run for miles and miles without appreciable signal loss.
Look at the communities where BPL is being deployed. Then come back and tell us the power companies aren't pulling the wool over your eyes. | |
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Fontana, CA
kudos:2 | reply to Spicerunner
said by Spicerunner:In case you hadn't noticed, you HAMs have an image problem with the rest of the world at large. Speak for yourself. I'm not a ham, never have been and never will be and I have no problem with their image whatsoever. Maybe that's because they came in handy so many times over the years during my career as a big city firefighter here in Southern California.
Keep in mind who they work hand-in-hand with: The American Red Cross.
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TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro | reply to rf_engineer
said by rf_engineer:said by anonymost9090 :
If it is good for today and not tomorrow, then why do Hammys care so much? Let us have our fun for the next 3 years or so. You guys been having fun for much longer. If BPL actually used the spectrum to provide the service, you would have a valid point. However it doesn't use the wireless spectrum, it just emits radiation into it, rendering it useless for wireless uses. Also, isn't part of the analog tv system spectrum supposed to be freed up for emergency service communications? Seems like there's your communications issue resolved right there in 3 years anyway. UHF TV spectrum doesn't offer worldwide infrastructure-free communications like HF radio spectrum which BPL often interferes with. Also, me thinks satellite phones are better in an emergency anyways. That is unless you Hammys also think BPL causes satellites to fall to the ground too. BPL doesn't interfere with satellites. BPL interferes with spectrum in the 1 to 80 Mhz range, depending on the brand of system and the particular installation. Satellites primarily use microwave frequencies (> 1 Ghz). By the way, hams have about 40 satellites in orbit or piggybacking on commercial satellites. Besides, during a disaster, power will be out and there will be no BPL to interfere with your walkie talkies anyway. This flawed argument has been beaten to death here; you're a bit late. Stations in an emergency area need to communicate with areas that do have power. And even if you want to dismiss or ignore the emergency capabilities of ham radio, it still does't make much sense to have a wired network like BPL wreck wireless spectrum. There is no point fighting with these guys. They are ignorant fools, it's as simple as that. I know I am doing the right thing by helping people out through ham radio (or planning too since I'm brand spanking new)...
I plan on attending a Skywarn class this May to further my skills at tracking / reporting weather events.
-Tzale
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TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
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NYC Metro
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said by anonymost9090 :
If it is good for today and not tomorrow, then why do Hammys care so much? Let us have our fun for the next 3 years or so. You guys been having fun for much longer.
Also, isn't part of the analog tv system spectrum supposed to be freed up for emergency service communications? Seems like there's your communications issue resolved right there in 3 years anyway.
Also, me thinks satellite phones are better in an emergency anyways. That is unless you Hammys also think BPL causes satellites to fall to the ground too.
Besides, during a disaster, power will be out and there will be no BPL to interfere with your walkie talkies anyway.
Lastly, even with all the Hammys down in New Orleans people keep talking about, the thing was still a disaster no matter how you spin it. Nothing a Hammy could have done anyhow. Same thing with 9-11 too.
You're an ignorant fool. Many people have been helped out through ham radio. What a useless fool, grow some balls and come back here under a real name.
As for all of your post? I'd say 99% of the proposals you make are invalid. You don't know jack shit about the radio spectrum or how BPL or Amateur Radio works! Go sit on a stick!
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