Re: Interesting idea but.... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15752891 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:46:34 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:46:34 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15841660 anon : »www.eprairie.com/redirect.asp?ur···ts%2Ecom
There are two errors in this chart. Someone who understand bits, bytes and the internet would spot this error right the way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15841660 Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:41:41 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15757089 cork1958 :
said by pahuser :

Before I rant, I do understand there may be times where speeds are perhaps a tad slower. I know why this happens, and can occasionally live with it. Having said that, I guarantee you this. If it becomes a problem, and I don't get the advertised speed, they will fix it. If it slows down, I guarantee you, I will call them again, and again, and again. I also guarantee you, that eventually, they will give me a refund (they've already done so). I can also guarantee you, that they will know I will switch to a provider that can give me adequate service, should their sub-par service continue.

So why do you select few get on some of these folks cases, accusing them of whining about it. You sound like a corporate crony. Good business practice is good business practice. Maybe they don't have to "guarantee anything" in their TOS. But I guarantee you this, if pathetic and continual sub-par service is what a company offers, then they cannot advertise speeds they cannot deliver, and they will not survive.
Man, you said it all right there. Of the replies I've read down to here, the whiners are the ones you're responding to. Or, at least the "holier than thou" attitude type people. If my service were to go down to 80% efficiency for a prolonged period, you better believe I'm calling and complaining also. I don't expect a guarantee on speeds, but dang well better be getting close to "advertised" (NOT guaranteed) speeds. Expecting anything less makes you a total fool and also means I have a bridge for sale that I bet I can con you into buying simply because you are total pushover who is afraid to speak up!! :p
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said by midconetcableuser :

i'm paying 29.95 a month for 8mb down and i'm getting 11mb down and 256 kb up ofcourse i have fiber to the yard and hub is only 100 feet from my house mobile home trailer trash with high speed internet.
Based on the assumptions of people around here, you should call the isp and offer to pay them more since you are getting mroe than you are supposed to.. lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15756763 Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:15:26 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15756760 fiberguy : You don't buy cable tv with "up to 100 channels".. you DO, however, purchase speeds "up to X"... if you look at where it really matters, it's actually 256 or best effort.

DSL is actually a little better about this. They sell speeds at 256kbps UP TO 1.5 (Going on SBC here) and 1.5m UP TO 3M.

So once again, here we are.. we see what we want to see, right? On the 1.5 to 3MB tier, I suppose you are going to hold them to the 3mb because that's what you see, right? Ok, in the case of selling at least 80% of the advertised speeds, they would only have to deliver AT LEAST 80% of the 1.5 tier since they are selling you 1.5mb UP TO the 3.0. This has NEVER been a shocker people..

Come on.. wake up and get real for once would you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15756760 Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:13:44 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15756750 fiberguy : I'd only pay $399.00 for that. Speak Easy has T-1 1.5 service for $399 a month. $299 if you want 384. But hey, you get that SLA.. ;)

This is no different than cell phones. When they were too expensive for everyone, people that had them, like me, had better service.

I really wish that broadband users would wake up and get a clue. Most of the bb users see what they WANT to see. Where does DSL state that the speeds advertised are guaranteed or what you will actually get? Anyone that uses DSL knows it's distance limited and speeds may vary on many factors. Cable modem service is the same thing. The speeds up "UP TO" speeds. So, please tell me where they are not advertising the speeds correctly? They are required to provide at least 256k to the end user by law to be broadband service.

I also wish that the DSL and cable companies would price service back up in the $80 range with $250.00 install fees so more people would jump off the net.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15756750 Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:09:16 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15756734 fiberguy :
said by Jameson See Profile :

Look, im not a big fan of sarcasm; Like i said, they better provied what im paying for or hell yes im going to call in every time my speeds drop below 100kbps of what im paying for. Its BS that people are getting screwed for their money, and to tell you the truth im sick of it.
You are paying for speeds "up to" the speed advertised. What part of that don't you understand?

I think it's incredible how home/residential users think that they can get SLA based speeds for starting at $12.95 a month up to about $42.00 a month.

If this were the case, I bet ever business in the world would stop purchasing T-1 T-3, and other large trunk links for internet.

If you expect and desire internet that doesn't drop below 100kbps of what you pay for, then you should give up and get off the internet.

Even corporate networks drop below that point at times during heavy use. Get real!

This is nothing more than election year politics. Come on! What ever happened to gay marriage?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15756734 Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:02:10 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15755252 JTRockville : I do believe that's the first time anyone's ever accused me of being a pushover when it comes to my expectations of residential broadband.

I may have to reconsider my position on refunds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15755252 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:04:17 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15754789 NY Tel :
said by 80 percent :

I think they should be forced to offer at least 80% of the speeds advertised 80% of the time on 100% of the network..
I found it pathetic that they thought this was an acceptable answer to the problem..(basically do nothing but throttle) If you can't offer 80% of the speed during peak times, then you have a poorly designed/run network..(the caps are too high)
Ahhhh perhaps yes but then the companies need to build the product using the bottoms up approach. Figure out the cost to engineer it, price it accordingly and then offer it in accordance with proper design.
This stuff does not just happen and get "productized" for free.
The problem is that people don't want to pay for quality. They want OC-192 bandwidth for 14.95 a month.
So your points are well taken but ALL of the carriers need to be careful of what the sell if they can't support it and make a decent margin on it to support it.
Am I alone in this view?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15754789 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:39:38 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15754612 anon : Accuse me of being overly literal, and comparing apples and oranges. But what if only 8 out of 10 of your cable channels came in at any given time. Sometimes 7 out of 10, 9 out of 10, 5 out of 10. You gonna keep paying for 10 out of 10 service. I guess there's no clause on the TV side of the house that says, you will get up to 100 channels, if you have, say cable internet. Oh, and for DSL users, on the voice side of the house, only 7 or 8 out of 10 of your calls will go through or stay connected, sometimes 5 or 6. But that's what you have to expect. You can't expect perfection here (hehehehe).

I find nothing wrong in holding these ISPs accountable for maintaining speeds at, or extremely close to what they advertise. Up to??? How much "up to" are you willing to give?? Y'all sound like a bunch of push overs. And, refunds are totally acceptable. I'm not going to pay for a service that doesn't meet my standard. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15754612 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:19:38 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15754551 anon : Before I rant, I do understand there may be times where speeds are perhaps a tad slower. I know why this happens, and can occasionally live with it. Having said that, I guarantee you this. If it becomes a problem, and I don't get the advertised speed, they will fix it. If it slows down, I guarantee you, I will call them again, and again, and again. I also guarantee you, that eventually, they will give me a refund (they've already done so). I can also guarantee you, that they will know I will switch to a provider that can give me adequate service, should their sub-par service continue.

So why do you select few get on some of these folks cases, accusing them of whining about it. You sound like a corporate crony. Good business practice is good business practice. Maybe they don't have to "guarantee anything" in their TOS. But I guarantee you this, if pathetic and continual sub-par service is what a company offers, then they cannot advertise speeds they cannot deliver, and they will not survive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15754551 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:10:47 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15754448 avantare : T-1's are Federally regulated for speed and up-time. I am also going to assume everything bigger is as well.

Chuck
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Really Tom? Are we paying for Co or head end access?

No that's right we are not paying for either. We are paying for internet access.

Foolish Mortals]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15752543 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:36:29 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15753511 anon : I think they should be forced to offer at least 80% of the speeds advertised 80% of the time on 100% of the network.. If they can't do that then it's false advertising... You can't put ridiculous statments in the TOS and say it is actually enforcable....

If a company is too cheap to upgrade a congested area (they claim it's not going to relieve the problem) I think it's a joke. when I worked for Cogeco, that's all the engineers would keep saying.. "If we add more upstream and downstream frequencies by splitting the nodes, all that bw will be saturated the same night.."

I found it pathetic that they thought this was an acceptable answer to the problem..(basically do nothing but throttle) If you can't offer 80% of the speed during peak times, then you have a poorly designed/run network..(the caps are too high)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15753511 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:32:49 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15753726 MeanPeepsSuk :
said by ptrowski See Profile :

Don't get me wrong, I think it is a good idea as I like to get what I pay for also. But would it ever happen? I doubt it.
It won't happen as long as they advertise/commit to "up to".. and no one can really enforce anything else.

What would be nice is if the ISPs are made to supply the average actual speed people are getting (of course in fine print, lol). Cable has shared issues, but DSL should be more accurately defined and not 2/3 of what you pay for on your best day (slight exaggeration but you get the idea). As of now, any problems are written off with a quote of "up to" from the TOS.

Besides, no one here wants a speed test.. Investigating speed issues might shut down those "free" access points y'all fight so hard for. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15753726 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:50:30 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15753666 henrikv : Here is a typical day on Adelphia in the Pittsbugh area:

7.10 AM

Download Speed: 6792 kbps (849 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 839 kbps (104.9 KB/sec transfer rate)

12.50 PM

Download Speed: 5301 kbps (662.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 834 kbps (104.3 KB/sec transfer rate)

4.30 PM

Download Speed: 4489 kbps (561.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 843 kbps (105.4 KB/sec transfer rate)

8.30 PM

Download Speed: 2298 kbps (287.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 844 kbps (105.5 KB/sec transfer rate)

I realize that the internet slows down during peak hours, but by 2/3 ??
or is the node I am on oversold?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15753666 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:43:27 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15753454 MeanPeepsSuk : how awesome for you!

btw, you forgot to login and thumbs-up yourself, lol.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15753454 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:16:27 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15753018 JTRockville :
said by phattieg See Profile :

Look, being ripped off is paying $600 - $1100 for a T1 at 1,500 up/1,500 down.
Absolutely. I'd pay no more than $450 for that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15753018 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:16:13 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15752891 dvd536 :
said by Rob See Profile :

said by crying morons :

It clearly states in most broadband TOS that it is a "BEST EFFORT" service. If you are too stupid to understand that, you DO NOT deserve to have broadband. Most companies do their best to provide you with the best possible speeds. If you would like a guaranteed bandwidth range and guaranteed 24/7 up time then you need to look at the ds1/ds3 arena. These are guaranteed lines and they cost what you would expect to pay for the service you will get from them. DSL/Cable/BPL- these services are made to be cheap- so don't b*tch when you don't get what your buddy gets who lives down the road. Granted if you have a line issue, it should be fixed. But just keep that in the back of your head a 1.544mb symmetric ds1 costs several hundred dollars a month most isps have 6.0mb asymmetric line for under 60 dollars. Think about that the next time you have something to whine about!
Actually all you need is a T1 with an SLA. No need for a ds1/ds3.
DS1 = T1, DS3 = T3. the acro's mean the same thing. theres a digital signal present for data.
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said by Ummmyea :

please refer to the TOS where it says speed is gauranteed.

And if you find it, please post it here.
if you want guarantees, buy a connection with a SLA e.g. a T1 line.
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said by crying morons :

It clearly states in most broadband TOS that it is a "BEST EFFORT" service. If you are too stupid to understand that, you DO NOT deserve to have broadband. Most companies do their best to provide you with the best possible speeds. If you would like a guaranteed bandwidth range and guaranteed 24/7 up time then you need to look at the ds1/ds3 arena. These are guaranteed lines and they cost what you would expect to pay for the service you will get from them. DSL/Cable/BPL- these services are made to be cheap- so don't b*tch when you don't get what your buddy gets who lives down the road. Granted if you have a line issue, it should be fixed. But just keep that in the back of your head a 1.544mb symmetric ds1 costs several hundred dollars a month most isps have 6.0mb asymmetric line for under 60 dollars. Think about that the next time you have something to whine about!
Actually all you need is a T1 with an SLA. No need for a ds1/ds3.
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like for instance if you have 1.5m/384k dsl and your buddy has the same thing and you download from him you are going to get 384 at best. even though your down speed is 1.5, his upload is only 384, so you will get 384. and even less than that if he has any other applications taking up any bandwidth.

it works the same on the web, even though again you have 1.5m, the site you are going to may either not have that much bandwidth or have too many people using up that bandwidth at any given moment keeping you from achieving the 1.5 you are paying for.

throughput has both ends and everything in between to deal with. all we are buying is a speed from our houses to the internet portal...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751756 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:17:32 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751558 NY Tel :
said by crying morons :

It clearly states in most broadband TOS that it is a "BEST EFFORT" service. If you are too stupid to understand that, you DO NOT deserve to have broadband. Most companies do their best to provide you with the best possible speeds. If you would like a guaranteed bandwidth range and guaranteed 24/7 up time then you need to look at the ds1/ds3 arena. These are guaranteed lines and they cost what you would expect to pay for the service you will get from them. DSL/Cable/BPL- these services are made to be cheap- so don't b*tch when you don't get what your buddy gets who lives down the road. Granted if you have a line issue, it should be fixed. But just keep that in the back of your head a 1.544mb symmetric ds1 costs several hundred dollars a month most isps have 6.0mb asymmetric line for under 60 dollars. Think about that the next time you have something to whine about!
You make an excellent point but how many times do you see someone post: "my 14.95 a month DSL line has been down and Verizon is making me lose 10 thousand dollars a day" or "Comcast caused me to lose my business because users can't get to my web site or my email is down etc..."
Lose my business? Then get a business grade circuit that has an SLA with 5 nines so that your livelihood is not based on a single point of failure.
But whine they do.... ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751558 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:48:08 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751415 anon : It clearly states in most broadband TOS that it is a "BEST EFFORT" service. If you are too stupid to understand that, you DO NOT deserve to have broadband. Most companies do their best to provide you with the best possible speeds. If you would like a guaranteed bandwidth range and guaranteed 24/7 up time then you need to look at the ds1/ds3 arena. These are guaranteed lines and they cost what you would expect to pay for the service you will get from them. DSL/Cable/BPL- these services are made to be cheap- so don't b*tch when you don't get what your buddy gets who lives down the road. Granted if you have a line issue, it should be fixed. But just keep that in the back of your head a 1.544mb symmetric ds1 costs several hundred dollars a month most isps have 6.0mb asymmetric line for under 60 dollars. Think about that the next time you have something to whine about!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751415 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:42:35 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751466 dadkins :
said by ptrowski See Profile :

I can't see it coming into practice, as the minute the speeds dip people will be calling in like crazy for refunds etc.
Haven't been to the Comcast forum, have you? :hmm:
People have been doing that for a while now...
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said by ptrowski See Profile :

I can't see it coming into practice, as the minute the speeds dip people will be calling in like crazy for refunds etc.
I could not agree with you more and that is what already happens now. Just read the threads for any service provider. I see constant complaints when their speakeasy test is off by a few bits...or their throughput is suffering at 7 pm when the kids do their cable downloading etc.
That move would drive tech support in any company off the wall.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751314 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:11:28 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751259 JTRockville : Exactly. That's why refunds aren't appropriate.

If you want refunds, then get a connection with a guarantee.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751259 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:02:57 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751226 N10Cities :
said by Ummmyea :

please refer to the TOS where it says speed is gauranteed.

And if you find it, please post it here.
.................]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751226 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:58:26 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751183 JTRockville : In my (limited-to-Comcast) experience, they're not good at lowering your payment if you don't get the "up to" speeds. The only offer I got from Comcast when I could only achieve half the "up to" speed was a faster package at a higher price.

I don't think refunds are appropriate. I just think the information should be provided. As it is now, an ISP can advertise "up to" speeds that no one has a chance of achieving.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751183 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:51:12 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751139 nixen :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

I think ISPs should be free to provide crappy speeds, as long as they don't say otherwise.
Which is part of why my ISP sells theirs as "speeds up to" for any given speed tier. Though, they do tend to be good about reducing you to a lower payment tier if your line won't consistently support the speed of the tier you bought.

-tom
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Sort of like the nutritional value labels. For example, there's no law against providing more fat than the daily requirement, as long as your label is accurate.

I think ISPs should be free to provide crappy speeds, as long as they don't say otherwise.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751123 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:40:56 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751073 nixen :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

I don't think anyone buys internet service just so they can reach the head-end. ISP are responsible for the backbone too, even if it's a service they contract for.
True, but, you can be certain that the average refund-seeker's only going to be worried about how fast they can load a page from "site X". What if "site X" is the bottleneck and not the ISP or any of the hops in between?

said by JTRockville See Profile :

Maybe backbone providers should be rated separately, so ISPs can make an informed choice too.
Probably. A good instrumentation program would provide the tester with local loop speed, CO/head end to PoP speed and PoP to network perimeter speed, all in one handy report.

-tom
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Maybe backbone providers should be rated separately, so ISPs can make an informed choice too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751032 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:25:34 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15751010 nixen :
said by ptrowski See Profile :

said by Jameson See Profile :

said by ptrowski See Profile :

I can't see it coming into practice, as the minute the speeds dip people will be calling in like crazy for refunds etc.
Than they better watch their networks better.
Right....and there is never any congestion etc when people come home.
It all depends where you put your instrumentation. The closer you put the speed meters to your customer's computer, the more likely you are to eliminate general network congestion effects. And, really, if someone buys 7Mbps service and they're getting 7Mbps to their CO or head end, then they're getting what they pay for.

-tom
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And if you find it, please post it here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15750934 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:13:02 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15750873 ptrowski : Don't get me wrong, I think it is a good idea as I like to get what I pay for also. But would it ever happen? I doubt it.
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I'm all for it!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15750836 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:53:52 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15750809 JTRockville :
said by ptrowski See Profile :

I can't see it coming into practice, as the minute the speeds dip people will be calling in like crazy for refunds etc.
What if you weren't eligible for a refund based on the speed reports? What if it were just used as a "truth in advertising" reality check?

In otherwords, an ISP couldn't advertise, say, 16MB, if the PUC report showed the network speed was limited to 10MB.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15750809 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:49:21 EDT Re: Interesting idea but.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15750795 Jameson : Look, im not a big fan of sarcasm; Like i said, they better provied what im paying for or hell yes im going to call in every time my speeds drop below 100kbps of what im paying for. Its BS that people are getting screwed for their money, and to tell you the truth im sick of it.
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said by ptrowski See Profile :

I can't see it coming into practice, as the minute the speeds dip people will be calling in like crazy for refunds etc.
Than they better watch their networks better.
Right....and there is never any congestion etc when people come home.
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said by ptrowski See Profile :

I can't see it coming into practice, as the minute the speeds dip people will be calling in like crazy for refunds etc.
Than they better watch their networks better.
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