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caco
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join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK

Sample provides info. already known to most

1- Cable is gaining phone service subs faster than rbocs getting video subs. Not going to change for considerable future.
2- ATT buildout is half-ass and might not be a big enough investment for the future
3- Verizon has the plan but might no have the financial backing to finish it FIOS build out in a timely manner and won't reach critical mass anytime soon.

Say what you want about cable but your more likely to see voip from cable than video from rbocs in your area any time soon and that is only if you are in Verizon country.


kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY

said by caco:

1- Cable is gaining phone service subs faster than rbocs getting video subs. Not going to change for considerable future.
2- ATT buildout is half-ass and might not be a big enough investment for the future
3- Verizon has the plan but might no have the financial backing to finish it FIOS build out in a timely manner and won't reach critical mass anytime soon.

Say what you want about cable but your more likely to see voip from cable than video from rbocs in your area any time soon and that is only if you are in Verizon country.
Uhh-ohh, it all sounds nice and warm and fuzzy for you, I bet but how about the internet access and the obvious shortcomings of cable networks?

No matter what kind of BS study you cable guys pull out, it's gonna be a very hard decade for you cable guys, ROFL - if no updates, you'll be eaten alive by telcos and such when it comes to internet.

yac898

join:2002-12-06
Stony Plain, AB

a quick look at dslreports fastest providers shows
0 dsl providers in the top ten for speed
2 in the top 20
4 in the top 30

cable shows
9 out of the top 10
17 out of the top 20
25 out of 30
the telcos cant compete right now with cable on speed.

CAPS - where i live the cable cos alwasy had caps AND enforced them, the telco's didnt. now the telcos do, and with LOWER caps
score cable 2, telco 0
RELIABILITY/SATISFACTION - i can only judge this from the forums in dslreports. both have problems, but the local cable co is rated sliver, telco, not rated.
score cable 3, telco 0

the statement "No matter what kind of BS study you cable guys pull out, it's gonna be a very hard decade for you cable guys, ROFL - if no updates, you'll be eaten alive by telcos and such when it comes to internet." is 100% wrong in this case. please post facts to back up your statments.
fact - adsl2+/vdsl is only being introduced for video services not faster speeds for the users. in some systems the end result is faster services, but still cant touch cable.
the argument about oversold nodes is not much different than distance from the CO factor dsl users have to put up with. both impede performance. cable is dependant on users, which CAN(will) have a negative impact dependant on time of day. distance from the CO WILL have an impact without any other factors.
please enlighten us readers on how a telco is in better shape than a cableco with regards to internet only performance.
just the facts please, as we dont need any bs from a teclco appologist.



kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY

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said by yac898:

a quick look at dslreports fastest providers shows
0 dsl providers in the top ten for speed
2 in the top 20
4 in the top 30

cable shows
9 out of the top 10
17 out of the top 20
25 out of 30
the telcos cant compete right now with cable on speed.
Ouch. Since when this top list has anything to do with general situation?

So your statement is false. Cable networks are oversold and congested.

CAPS - where i live the cable cos alwasy had caps AND enforced them, the telco's didnt. now the telcos do, and with LOWER caps
score cable 2, telco 0
What a BULLSHIT. I hyaven't heard about *ANY* telco in my area - the largest city in North America, you know - with caps and such.

You are saying false info again.

RELIABILITY/SATISFACTION - i can only judge this from the forums in dslreports. both have problems, but the local cable co is rated sliver, telco, not rated.
score cable 3, telco 0
What abunch of crap again!!!

Are you high? Seriously, take a look on DSL forums and then a nother on cable: both has its own share of problems except DSL is a dedicated speed between you and your CO, unlike cable.

the statement "No matter what kind of BS study you cable guys pull out, it's gonna be a very hard decade for you cable guys, ROFL - if no updates, you'll be eaten alive by telcos and such when it comes to internet." is 100% wrong in this case.
Pal, all of your points above were proven rubbish, from A to Z. Yes, somebody is wrong, and that is you.

please post facts to back up your statments.
I did - it's not my problem if you cannot follow them. It'd be pretty hard to explain anything for somebody who thinks a local top speed list has anything to do with this subject, ROFL...

fact - adsl2+/vdsl is only being introduced for video services not faster speeds for the users.
Suuuure... LOL! "ADSL2+ is onlu for video not for faster" - this could be my new sig...

Seriously: are you joking with this crap, aren't you?
Covad already has ADS2+ and it is available via Earthlink, pal.

in some systems the end result is faster services, but still cant touch cable.
And bullshit again... Educate yourself on the subject - EU and Asia are full of 10-20+ Mbps ADSL2+ offers.

the argument about oversold nodes is not much different than distance from the CO factor dsl users have to put up with. both impede performance. cable is dependant on users, which CAN(will) have a negative impact dependant on time of day. distance from the CO WILL have an impact without any other factors.
please enlighten us readers on how a telco is in better shape than a cableco with regards to internet only performance.
just the facts please, as we dont need any bs from a teclco appologist.
Jesus kid, you've turned out to be one of the least educated debatter on this topic - why don't you read up a little bit before you dfeliver these idiotic blatant yet ignorant messages, saving yourself further embarrassments like this?

PS: telco what? You're officially high, now I know it...

yac898

join:2002-12-06
Stony Plain, AB

you really neeed to quit smoking dope.
"Ouch. Since when this top list has anything to do with general situation?"
are you saying to the readers of this forum that speed is not an issue? speed is a GENERAL SITUATION that concerns most of the readers at one point or another. that makes it relevant. ( if speed is not an issue for you, great, keep your dial up).

"So your statement is false. Cable networks are oversold and congested."
again, please post facts, please support your argument with somthing, anything that supports you. opinions ( even drug enduced) are exactly that, nothing more than hot air.

"What a BULLSHIT. I hyaven't heard about *ANY* telco in my area - the largest city in North America, you know - with caps and such.

You are saying false info again."

if you can read, follow this link. »Telus starts to enforce bandwidth cap?. this would make it CORRECT INFO. your area may be immune, but blanket staments like "Cable networks are oversold and congested."
without facts prove you are just another telco hack.

"Are you high? Seriously, take a look on DSL forums and then a nother on cable: both has its own share of problems except DSL is a dedicated speed between you and your CO, unlike cable."

please tell me why then,
SBC(telco) READ (if you can) this link »Official Chicago Slowdown Tech Results thread 3-15 update
or this one
»Official Bay Area slowdown thread
or this one
»Anyone else having slowdown in Oklahoma?
why all the problems ACROSS different systems in DSL land, your post makes you look like an uneducated moron. each system, dsl/cable has pros & cons, to deny that, simply shows your ignorance.
"Pal, all of your points above were proven rubbish, from A to Z. Yes, somebody is wrong, and that is you."
porven, how, your rants only prove that you are willing to BACK UP your statments with nothing more than rants.

"I did - it's not my problem if you cannot follow them. It'd be pretty hard to explain anything for somebody who thinks a local top speed list has anything to do with this subject, ROFL... " where? how, what is the color of the sun on your planet?
no links, no quotes, zip. just more hot air.

earthlink introduced adsl2+ originally for VOIP
»telephonyonline.com/voip/news/VO···_031606/.

And bullshit again... Educate yourself on the subject - EU and Asia are full of 10-20+ Mbps ADSL2+ offers.

asia? what about ANYWHERE in the contenital US?.

Jesus kid, you've turned out to be one of the least educated debatter on this topic - why don't you read up a little bit before you dfeliver these idiotic blatant yet ignorant messages, saving yourself further embarrassments like this?

PS: telco what? You're officially high, now I know it...

Please, this site is meant for INTELLIGENT DEBATE, of which you obviously offer none. do us all a favor, and your family and commit suicide.
in your system, what you say may be true, but without FACTS
you come off as jsut another reason why people hate americans.


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