http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18420715 jwersan :

said by Irish Shark :

said by jwersan :

said by eBobdotcom :

And I've learned that I do not have the latest level of firmware for the router. So I've downloaded the latest but haven't loaded it yet.

You WON'T be able to upgrade the firmware yourself, CV is supposed to do that automatically, so if you don't have the latest, they didn't upgrade you...

He said router not MODEM. He can update the router's FW.

OOPS! My mistake.. :D
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18420575 Irish Shark :

said by jwersan :

said by eBobdotcom :

And I've learned that I do not have the latest level of firmware for the router. So I've downloaded the latest but haven't loaded it yet.

You WON'T be able to upgrade the firmware yourself, CV is supposed to do that automatically, so if you don't have the latest, they didn't upgrade you...

He said router not MODEM. He can update the router's FW.
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"You can observe a lot by watching". Yogi Berra]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18420575 Wed, 30 May 2007 15:21:25 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18420550 jwersan :

said by eBobdotcom :

And I've learned that I do not have the latest level of firmware for the router. So I've downloaded the latest but haven't loaded it yet.

You WON'T be able to upgrade the firmware yourself, CV is supposed to do that automatically, so if you don't have the latest, they didn't upgrade you...
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RIAA/MPAA... Bite me!!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18420550 Wed, 30 May 2007 15:17:33 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18417341 LostHost :

said by Tursiops_G :

The First problem that I see here is that your SB4100 Modem is no longer compliant with Optimum Online's 15/2 service (now standard)... Upgrading the Modem should improve your Download speeds, and *MAY* possibly help to solve your problem... You can exchange your modem for FREE at your local CV Walk-In center. :)

Your SMC Barricade 7004AWBR Router should be up to the task, as it supports 10/100Mb/s WAN and LAN ports, but checking for an Updated Firmware for it wouldn't hurt, either... ;)

What OS are you running?

(Edit): GeekNJ and TheWiseGuy beat me to it... ;)

-Tursiops_G.

or you can buy one off craigslist.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18417341 Tue, 29 May 2007 23:37:04 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18410122 Tursiops_G : The First problem that I see here is that your SB4100 Modem is no longer compliant with Optimum Online's 15/2 service (now standard)... Upgrading the Modem should improve your Download speeds, and *MAY* possibly help to solve your problem... You can exchange your modem for FREE at your local CV Walk-In center. :)

Your SMC Barricade 7004AWBR Router should be up to the task, as it supports 10/100Mb/s WAN and LAN ports, but checking for an Updated Firmware for it wouldn't hurt, either... ;)

What OS are you running?

(Edit): GeekNJ and TheWiseGuy beat me to it... ;)

-Tursiops_G.
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If You're Unsure, "RTFM"... If You're SURE, "RTFM" Anyway. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18410122 Mon, 28 May 2007 18:06:54 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18405651 GeekNJ :

said by Blockade :

Im a new ool customer. Are my speeds normal? I think my upload is capped?

Download Speed: 11835 kbps (1479.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 1642 kbps (205.3 KB/sec transfer rate)

They look normal. A capped upload is 150kb or less. you are at 1,642kb.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18399981 batterup :

said by BLUNTED 1 :

i dont mean to start an argument ............

Right.

said by BLUNTED 1 :

so you must be a 50

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18399981 Sat, 26 May 2007 15:45:37 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18398069 batterup :

said by BLUNTED 1 :

i dont mean to start an argument but how do you know? i dont think anyone knows what does it except the people who made it and the isp's who use it. :)

That is what has been surmised by those with a triple digit IQ that have followed this thread from the beginning. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18398069 Sat, 26 May 2007 04:01:49 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18396009 jaa :

said by MLGTWISTED :

Are we talking caps for upload or for downing and uping?

I have consistently upped information on host playing a never ending game on my xbox 360, the bitrate was probably around 800kbps for around 5 hrs.

I get upload clips where my upload dies for a split second, don't think I've ever been capped though.

Just enjoy your xbox games and speeds, and ignore the rif raf.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18396009 Fri, 25 May 2007 17:53:39 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18395817 batterup :

said by MLGTWISTED :

Are we talking caps for upload or for downing and uping?
........ I've ever been capped though.

The cap is secret and what triggers it is not the same for all. The capping bot appears to use an algorithm based on how over-sold the node is, the amount one uploads, the time one uploads and the number of connections one is uploading to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18395817 Fri, 25 May 2007 17:11:31 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18350954 StreetSpirit :

said by WoodyLI :

I wasn't able to find anything at optonline.net about info on throttling or on registering the modem. Do you have more specific information on where to look?

The Member Services site is OOL's AMS (Account Management System) user account manager. For example, you can alter your email settings (and view your CVC account #) at »https://memberservices.optonline.net/acctms/ams by logging in with your primary account.

As for the speeds, sorry, haven't a clue but glad you're getting good value for your money.

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Regards,
Dave]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18350954 Thu, 17 May 2007 15:24:51 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18349986 batterup :

said by WoodyLI :

Something has definitely been improved in any case.

I have noticed many more CATV nodes on telephone poles where Verizon is running FiOS. CATV has to place eight nodes to Verizon's one because of the copper in the loop.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18349986 Thu, 17 May 2007 12:13:03 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18297228 batterup :

said by Iratesub :

The tech told me, that the key to not getting capped is to NOT leave a constant upload stream going. He used the word "burst" alot, like "we have no issues if you use your upload in bursts, but if you leave it going for long periods you risk getting capped, even with boost".

Ahhhhh, this is just like the old days. The special technician doesn't know exactly what causes a cap any more then I do.

Over the years and millions of characters typed the consensus is; the capping algorithm is a combination of the length of time uploading/the number of connections being uploaded to/how over sold the node is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18297228 Mon, 07 May 2007 19:17:40 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18294200 jaa :

said by WoodyLI :

jaa, just read my response to Geek, It should apply to you too.

It's definitely a lot more than two or three.

You complain about people spreading misinformation so don't be hypocritical.

I think it is two or three - possibly four. Certainly not enough to call "many" or "common".

You are one. Show me the others - I like facts.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18294200 Mon, 07 May 2007 09:09:26 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18291474 jaa :

said by WoodyLI :

I think everyone agrees that while the reasons are unclear, it's not uncommon for a boost subscriber to get automatically downgraded to standard 15/2 service without their knowledge and that if that happens, they are subject to the capping rules as read above.

Why would you possibly think that? What do you base that on?

I'm another that disagrees with that statement. I think the opposite is true - it is extremely uncommon.. I base my opinion on the unscientific observations of posts in this forum.
- There have been two or three posts that I recall of this happening.
- I estimate there are over 100 boost subscribers that post here
- People are more likely to come here when they have problems

You can have your own opinion that it is "common", just as people are free to have the opinion that the holocaust did not occur and the US government brought down the WTC.

But please don't say we all agree. That is absolutely false. I don't think I have even one post from someone other than you that thinks this is "common".
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18291474 Sun, 06 May 2007 17:27:37 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18290665 WoodyLI :

said by GeekNJ :

I disagree. I think it is very uncommon that a few folks were somehow downgraded. I bet there hasn't even been 10 people in total that reported it here and a significant number of folks that have it and never had any issue.

GeekNJ, You are disagreeing with my terminology at best. I said it wasn't uncommon without referring to any specific value. Fewer than ten in these forums is possible and offers a more substantial reference but it doesn't negate my point.

If you prefer I could simply state that some people in these forums have reportedly had their modem configs affected in this way. This is a factual response with no ambiguity.

I would point out that if you extrapolate the relationship of the number of forum members who have experienced their modem being reset to standard service after upgrading to boost with the actual number of CV Boost subscribers who don't contribute to these forums it is very likely to be a significant number of affected subscribers.

I say this with no implications or accusations. Simply observations.

As far as Verizon FIOS is concerned, I know nothing about that but it is interesting that a different company, with different people, and different equipment is having similar issues. CV and Verizon may be different but they would both experience the same difficulties in relation to bandwidth distribution among customers. I don't think it's unreasonable to suspect them of assuming many of their customers wouldn't notice such a reconfiguration. I'll bet if I walked into my office and asked everyone who subscribes to HSI either with OOL or FIOS that not one single person (except maybe our IT guy) would have any clue how to check their modem speeds or configuration despite the tools available on the ISP websites. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18290665 Sun, 06 May 2007 14:12:54 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18290612 GeekNJ :

said by WoodyLI :

I think everyone agrees that while the reasons are unclear, it's not uncommon for a boost subscriber to get automatically downgraded to standard 15/2 service without their knowledge and that if that happens, they are subject to the capping rules as read above.

I disagree. I think it is very uncommon that a few folks were somehow downgraded. I bet there hasn't even been 10 people in total that reported it here and a significant number of folks that have it and never had any issue.

I probably know the same number of folks on FIOS that supposedly got upgraded to 20/5 yet they were at 20/2 and needed to call support to get it corrected. Does that make it a common occurence for them too? I don't think so.
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Tweaked your connection? | Mail Parse | Speed Converter]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18290612 Sun, 06 May 2007 14:01:51 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18290318 TheWiseGuy :

said by grandpinaple :

Who got downgraded?

StreetSpirit got downgraded several times early on, of course he was not capped when downgraded. Several other reports of downgrades were reported without them being capped. The evidence points to a bug, but who cares about that, it is a way for trolls to claim CV caps boost.
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Warning, If you post nonsense and use misinformation and are here to argue based on those methods, you will be put on ignore.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18290318 Sun, 06 May 2007 12:52:00 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18285896 jaa :

said by grandpinaple :

Who got downgraded? Surely it was an accident in the billing department or something.

It is CV trying to get rid of customers - they figure their tech support group would have less problems if there were no customers to have to deal with.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18285896 Sat, 05 May 2007 12:33:52 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18285616 jwersan :

said by grandpinaple :

Honestly this thread is ridiculous, Optimum Online is offering a dream connection for a bargain basement price and there are still people whining...

They are "whining" because unless you watch your connection, you could be "accidentally" downgraded to 15/2 but would still be paying to 30/5, or worse yet, get capped at 15M/150K. Now I don't know about you, but I don't believe in paying for things I am not receiving..
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RIAA/MPAA... Bite me!!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18285616 Sat, 05 May 2007 11:17:25 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18279513 StreetSpirit :

said by WoodyLI :

Jaa I would be interested to know if you can grab a large file from MS or Apple or any other mainstream public server where casual web surfers may go and take a screen shot of that file downloading at over 2mbps, which, incidentally, is extremely fast by any standard.

And besides, you are missing my point. A god among geeks may need that 30mbps but I'm talking about if Boost offers value to an average household, not a geek den. For people on a planned budget who may feel they get more value by spending the extra ten or fifteen dollars a month on something else this might be important.

Woody, it is common these days for families to have several computers connected to the internet. Folks viewing multimedia, folks taking distance learning courses, kids streaming video and audio, VOIP, recreation and gaming. My point is, people are using the internet for everything from shopping to checking the weather to planning trips and perhaps deciding what speeds they need and don't need might involve a bit of hubris on your part.

Sure, not everyone needs 30 mbit/5mbit up, but it's sure nice to have.

Screen-captures attached [btw: While I'm getting 2.72MB/s from Microsoft, my wife is uploading something for her job, and my daughter is streaming videos on the Nickelodeon web site.

With all that going on and Daddy still getting 2.7+ MB/s, I think I'm fairly sure what I do need and what I don't need from my internet connection and would prefer others not to make that decision for me, Geek god or not.

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Regards,
David

PS The files were downloaded from Microsoft. The Office Trial @ 363mb.

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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18275327 jaa :

said by WoodyLI :

jaa I would be interested to know if you can grab a large file from MS or Apple or any other mainstream public server where casual web surfers may go and take a screen shot of that file downloading at over 2mbps, which, incidentally, is extremely fast by any standard.

You're kidding, right? Here is one at 8mbps. Try it yourself if you don't believe me.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.

Apple Download

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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273437 jaa :

said by WoodyLI :

large files won't download any quicker since you'll be bottlenecked by the public servers long before you reach your modem's maximum speed.

You're kidding, right? 30mbps is hardly noticeable by the major servers like Microsoft, Apple, Sourceforge, etc. I don't know how much bandwidth they use at any given time, but I'm sure they measure it in gigabits.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273437 Thu, 03 May 2007 06:01:12 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273167 Thinkdiff :

said by WoodyLI :

If what I'm saying is true? You just agreed with me.

Agreed with you? Hardly.. Time to brush up on reading posts. I said I doubt the assumption I made off of your post is correct.

said by WoodyLI :

You would need a really good router to be able to see a benefit from multiple connections

You'd definitely need a decent router to achieve the 3.6MB/sec Boost is capable of. Most routers on the market today with the latest firmware should be able to support 3MB or so. But yes, a router could be a limitation in this case, but definitely not the public server as you said in your original post.

said by WoodyLI :

When you are web surfing you are getting the data in short bursts, not in a continuous stream so for households with no more than just a few PCs sharing a connection there would be no noticeable difference in performance even if they were all being used at the same time.

I didn't say anything about surfing the web.. You're right, there's absolutely no difference in surfing. My post was about downloading large files.

said by WoodyLI :

Also keep in mind that when using a typical wireless connection to a router you won't be able to even take advantage of the extra Boost download speeds at all.

Also true.. Wireless B or G would be a major bottleneck for downloading on Boost, but not the "public server". With Wireless N or an ethernet connection, this bottleneck can be lifted.
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University of Southern California - Class of 2010. Fight On!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273167 Thu, 03 May 2007 01:58:16 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273162 La Luna :

said by Zelucifer :

Are they still capping? I was uncapped (without calling, or upgrading), and have been uploading fairly consistently for a couple of days now.

If you didn't have to call, you weren't capped.
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~~"As long as America is an infidel enemy, terrorizing it is a duty." Sayed Imam Abdul-Aziz el-Sheriff~~

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273162 Thu, 03 May 2007 01:54:50 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273036 Thinkdiff :

said by WoodyLI :
large files won't download any quicker since you'll be bottlenecked by the public servers long before you reach your modem's maximum speed.

I can't believe people are still using this old line. Boost is 2 times faster than Regular OOL. Regular OOL is maybe 2x faster than a good deal of broadband services around now. So that's a total of 4x. If what you're saying is true, 4 people on regular broadband connections can max out a server. I highly doubt this. I can get 2MB/sec+ from Apple.com, AOL.com, Microsoft.com, etc, etc. Downloads will be faster, and you can download more at the same time. Most sites these days have gigantic pipes.
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University of Southern California - Class of 2010. Fight On!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273036 Thu, 03 May 2007 01:05:01 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18272374 batterup :

said by Zelucifer :

Are they still capping? I was uncapped (without calling, or upgrading), and have been uploading fairly consistently for a couple of days now.

You may not have been capped just experiencing network congestion. I have never heard of a cap being lifted without having to be called and explaining yourself to the Special Technician.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18272374 Wed, 02 May 2007 22:29:19 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18267106 batterup :

said by Calendarman :

I have to upload a 600MB file to my server. Could this cause me to be capped?

Not if you have Boost. Otherwise it is a crap shoot.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18267106 Wed, 02 May 2007 00:16:51 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18254827 NormanS :

said by batterup :

You are immaculate in your perceptions and reasoning. MVP indeed.

I don't see any "MVP"s here. You might find a few over at news://msnews.microsoft.public.*.
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18254827 Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:50:11 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18254165 batterup :

said by jaa :

I agree, anything is possible. Your scenario is as likely as your never posting to this thread again. That could happen, but so unlikely it is effectively impossible.

You are immaculate in your perceptions and reasoning. MVP indeed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18254165 Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:40:17 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034902 jaa :

said by batterup :

I am only pointing out one possible reason people that don't ABUSE the network get capped. The OP stated he was on a quiet node and didn't upload much data. A cloned modem on an over-sold-node would trigger a cap quickly. The OP stated he had a problem getting Boost; this could be caused by a miss-configured cloned modem. The operative word is could.

said by batterup :

said by jaa :

There are many documented success stories breaking through WEP encryption.

What does a wireless router have to do with a dedicated non shared network like FIOS? Nothing; you are just attempting to obfuscate the facts.

It has everything to do with it. FIOS is not a dedicated non-shared network. FIOS is a residential broadband solution that includes internet access, email, newsgroups, and other features - and a wireless router that is setup by Verizon with WEP security. FIOS, as delivered by Verizon, is a very easily hacked product.

said by batterup :

I am only pointing out one possible reason people that don't ABUSE the network get capped. The OP stated he was on a quiet node and didn't upload much data. A cloned modem on an over-sold-node would trigger a cap quickly. The OP stated he had a problem getting Boost; this could be caused by a miss-configured cloned modem. The operative word is could.

I agree, anything is possible. Your scenario is as likely as your never posting to this thread again. That could happen, but so unlikely it is effectively impossible.--
NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034902 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:03:43 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034284 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

Like I posted and you ignored, the cable network protects itself from duplicate MACs.

The very expensive Veri-sign certificate method was cracked in a day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034284 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:04:12 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034270 batterup :

said by jaa :



There are many documented success stories breaking through WEP encryption.

What does a wireless router have to do with a dedicated non shared network like FIOS? Nothing; you are just attempting to obfuscate the facts.

I am only pointing out one possible reason people that don't ABUSE the network get capped. The OP stated he was on a quiet node and didn't upload much data. A cloned modem on an over-sold-node would trigger a cap quickly. The OP stated he had a problem getting Boost; this could be caused by a miss-configured cloned modem. The operative word is could.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034270 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:01:40 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034158 jaa :

said by batterup :

I don't need a document or even much knowledge.
»www.tcniso.net

I have that. You can load your own firmware, but there is no ability to change MAC address. I also think it would be detected by the OOL network and shutdown - if the custom firmware worked at all.

Like I say, it is much easier to just break the WEP security on a FIOS router if you are looking to steal service that way.

There are many documented success stories breaking through WEP encryption. I have not seen any about successfully hacking into a cable network. I have seen stories about people who hacked their cable modems to get higher speeds and were arrested on felony charges by the FBI. I think it was posted on DSL Reports.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034158 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:38:22 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034085 batterup :

said by Cable Fiend :

said by jaa :

Ever consider not sending $50 every month to this "disgusting" company

It's been a day and already one of you says something as stupid as this to make what point exactly? Yes - I have thought about it.... for a day... thanks for the tip

It is a long established practice of brow beating and humiliating anyone that relates a unfavourable experience with Cableviosion. They can't discredit what you say so they make it so you go away and be silent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034085 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:23:32 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034060 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :


What document/URL do you have on how to 'hack' what you describe or are you throwing out yet another nonsense challenge without any basis?

I don't need a document or even much knowledge.
»www.tcniso.net]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034060 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:18:36 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034036 batterup :

said by jaa :

Not impossible. It can be done with the same ease as someone tapping into a FIOS fiber optic line from a distance of 800 miles and stealing FIOS service.

Really? I can find 100s of sites that have detailed instructions on hacking cable modems and none on hacking FIOS. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034036 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:12:23 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18033800 Cable Fiend :

said by jaa :

Ever consider not sending $50 every month to this "disgusting" company that provides such a poor service? Surely there is a better company that can provide you a better value service - or is this "disgusting" company the only one that has been willing to provide you broadband service for the past 4 years while those "great" companies have ignored you?

It's been a day and already one of you says something as stupid as this to make what point exactly? Yes - I have thought about it.... for a day... thanks for the tip

You know usually if someone says a company is disgusting you should really think that same person will be going someplace else for broadband.

Countless times I have read these forums and there is always that one person who replies with that STUPID question to someone who actually says negative things after a negative experience (IMAGINE THAT!)with your beloved cable company. No **** I am going elsewhere what the hell do you think I am going to do?

Lets start talking about facts now since you two seem to be so keen as to pointing out your opinion as fact

Fact: I was capped for tiny sustained uploads for half a day at a time.

Fact: After I was capped I bought boost instead of waiting MORE than 72 hours to be uncapped. This did uncap me but a day later I no longer had boost speeds and OOL kept reporting to me that fact.

I am waiting for the billing cycle to be over, if they bill me for Boost they will have something to worry about.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18033800 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:31:21 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18033771 jaa :

said by batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

Ha Ha!! Another "lie" from the peanut gallery.

Did you pick random works to make a sentence with? Have you done ANY investigation into the nonsense you are spewing or is the goal to actual show ignorance?

Do some looking up and see how the network protects itself from cloned MACs on cable modems and cloned MACs on devices.

More nonsense from the queen of nonsense. Change you posting tag to "I wouldn't know the truth if it bit me in the rear".

So you are saying it can't be done; that it is imposable.

Not impossible. It can be done with the same ease as someone tapping into a FIOS fiber optic line from a distance of 800 miles and stealing FIOS service.

Of course, nobody bothers with either because there are easier ways.

The best way to steal broadband is to exploit the FIOS vulnerability of the wireless network. When they setup FIOS, the intall a wireless router with 40-bit WEP encryption. Anyone with half a brain can find software and instructions on how to easily crack 40-bit WEP (and 128bit WEP for that matter).

So as long as Verizon leaves that vulnerability, who would bother trying to tap into a fiber optic line or mess with some mac address scheme to steal cable?
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18033771 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:27:23 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18033585 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

Ha Ha!! Another "lie" from the peanut gallery.

Did you pick random works to make a sentence with? Have you done ANY investigation into the nonsense you are spewing or is the goal to actual show ignorance?

Do some looking up and see how the network protects itself from cloned MACs on cable modems and cloned MACs on devices.

More nonsense from the queen of nonsense. Change you posting tag to "I wouldn't know the truth if it bit me in the rear".

So you are saying it can't be done; that it is imposable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18033585 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:53:38 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18032962 batterup :

said by Cable Fiend :

I do not upload excessivly,

Someone on your node may have cloned your MAC address and is getting free service on your dime. This can easily be done because of the inherent security vulnerabilities in a CATV system.

Cue the banjos.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18032962 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:54:00 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18031577 Thinkdiff :

said by Cable Fiend :

If by making stuff up you mean quoting what I was told by OOL then yes I am

Someone telling me I am making stuff up is annoying, especially when the event took place only a few hours ago.

Then the rep is making stuff up.. either way, there's little evidence supporting those claims. 2-3K/sec upload has not gotten anybody capped AFAIK.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18028663 RickNY :

said by batterup :

with the shared loop one can use a network sniffer to access all data on that loop. One can even clone a neighbor's MAC and become her.

You obviously dont know much about DOCSIS networks either.. Lookup BPI sometime when you get around to it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18028663 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:45:49 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18027926 batterup :

said by jaa :

said by batterup :

DSL and FIOSs chock point is the interweb.

said by batterup :

DSLs first chock point is the CO and FIOS has large un-sticky tubes.

You obviously have no clue about the Verizon network, or you would not be posting such contradictory statements.

Make up a story, and stick with it. Don't keep making up new ones.

I can see the ego is getting in the way of the group dynamic. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18027926 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:30:56 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18027471 jaa :

said by batterup :

DSL and FIOSs chock point is the interweb.

said by batterup :

DSLs first chock point is the CO and FIOS has large un-sticky tubes.

You obviously have no clue about the Verizon network, or you would not be posting such contradictory statements.

Make up a story, and stick with it. Don't keep making up new ones.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026843 batterup :

said by jaa :

Nope. You don't understand much about networks. DSL and FIOS have chokepoints long before reaching the internet.

DSLs first chock point is the CO and FIOS has large un-sticky tubes. Not only does CATV have a small pipe and close chock points, with the shared loop one can use a network sniffer to access all data on that loop. One can even clone a neighbor's MAC and become her. That could be why some people that hardly use their connection get capped .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026843 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:04:31 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026710 jaa :

said by batterup :

said by jaa :

All residential broadband has this same "natural cap" of which you speak. That is why they cost so little in comparision to business service that has guaranteed speeds.

CATV has the chock point closest to the subscriber, DSL and FIOSs chock point is the interweb. Ever a business class service can't guarantee a speed once the circuit enters the interweb. The speed is guaranteed point to point only on a private circuit.

Nope. You don't understand much about networks. DSL and FIOS have chokepoints long before reaching the internet. You think that Verizon has enough capacity to provide full speed connection to the internet for all customers simultaneously? You are in la la land starting to believe your own propaganda.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026664 batterup :

said by jaa :

All residential broadband has this same "natural cap" of which you speak. That is why they cost so little in comparision to business service that has guaranteed speeds.

CATV has the chock point closest to the subscriber, DSL and FIOSs chock point is the interweb. Ever a business class service can't guarantee a speed once the circuit enters the interweb. The speed is guaranteed point to point only on a private circuit. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026664 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:26:09 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/tweakr/block:5d11717?service=cable&speed=5000&os=winXP&via=normal

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022878 GeekNJ :

said by crum5 :

speakeasy.net
Last Result:
Download Speed: 25189 kbps (3148.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 3443 kbps (430.4 KB/sec transfer rate)

Ok, so no drop to 15/2.

Run a tweak test at »/tweaks and post the URL here.

What router are you using?
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022618 anon : ok so i disconnected my router so its just modem to pc restarted pc and modem.. heres the test results...
speakeasy test:
Last Result:
Download Speed: 25286 kbps (3160.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 2974 kbps (371.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

BBR speed test


Warning: You connection shows signs of ISP upload compression

if i call them any advice on what i should say??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022618 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:47:31 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022513 jaa :

said by crum :

Those speeds are not very good for boost. You might give it a try without the router just to make sure that is not the bottleneck. You should be getting double the upload speed you show, and higher download speed.

Any chance there is other activity on your connection when you run the speed test?
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022476 GeekNJ :

said by jwersan :

Regardless, you think all the mistakes on the Boost configs, this far in, are normal?

Yes, which is exactly why I posted what I did about Verizon. There's mistake after mistake with all ISPs. Even Verizon's automated, non human, systems make mistakes.

It isn't odd to me at all that this happens. Like I said multiple times, we saw the exact same thing BEFORE there was ever any capping with peoples MAC addresses being dropped from the system and they had no connectivity.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022460 jwersan :

said by GeekNJ :

said by WoodyLI :

And what does this have to do with Verizon? No one is bad mouthing anyone here...keep the discussion civil. I think it's a given that OOL is a first rate service and so is Verizon and both companies share many similar problems.

Exactly, though a previous poster is insinuating that one of the companies that he dislikes does it on purpose. Then I guess we can then all assume that every company does it on purpose and therefore all the items above are done by Verizon on purpose to penalize their customers and increase revenue in hopes that the customers don't catch on.

I was insinuating that it seems suspicious that they are still having problems with the Boost modem configs, I made no mention of other broadband providers.
I was the one who brought up that maybe the capping scheme that OOL uses for Boost was to downgrade them to 15/2 and let the capping algorithm kick in.
Regardless, you think all the mistakes on the Boost configs, this far in, are normal?
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022378 anon : well i been with ool since the first came out on long island prob 2001.. been capped a few times here and there.. ran drtcp to see if that would fix the problem restarted my modem and router(wrt54g v4 with v4.71.1, Hyperwrt 2.1b1 + Thibor15c firmware)..and ran a test just now to see if it anything changed.. I am getting a increase in dl speed off of newsgroups and only reason why i asked if i was capped was do to the fact that the BBtest said something about that.. thx for your time in trying to help me out..
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022378 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:49:29 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022128 GeekNJ :

said by WoodyLI :

And what does this have to do with Verizon? No one is bad mouthing anyone here...keep the discussion civil. I think it's a given that OOL is a first rate service and so is Verizon and both companies share many similar problems.

Exactly, though a previous poster is insinuating that one of the companies that he dislikes does it on purpose. Then I guess we can then all assume that every company does it on purpose and therefore all the items above are done by Verizon on purpose to penalize their customers and increase revenue in hopes that the customers don't catch on.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022114 GeekNJ :

said by WoodyLI :

I wonder how many people actually know how to test their connection speed and understand the difference in the service tiers.

For Boost, every single person knows how to test their speed.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022081 WoodyLI :

said by GeekNJ :

I think there have been 3 or maybe 4 "mistakes" so far reported here. It is a rather insignificant percent of those that have posted here about being upgraded.

I can go on and on about all the issues with Verizon that parallel every single thing that people "hate" about CV. I'll throw out a few...

I wonder how many people actually know how to test their connection speed and understand the difference in the service tiers. If Cablevision does do this on purpose, it may just be a calculated risk since they never guarantee any speeds and probably 99+ percent of users would never know the difference.

And what does this have to do with Verizon? No one is bad mouthing anyone here...keep the discussion civil. I think it's a given that OOL is a first rate service and so is Verizon and both companies share many similar problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022081 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:44:44 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021960 jaa :

said by jwersan :

Don't you think that this far in on offering Boost, that OOL would have their act together on configuring the modems???
IMHO all these "mistakes" in configs of the modems, where the modem is "accidentally" downgraded to 15/2 is high suspicious.
You would assume that these types of mistakes would be made when they were first offering the tier, but now these types of "mistakes" should NOT be happening..

The phone company has been offering phone service for 100 years. They still make provisioning errors.

One thing we can all agree on - there is no cap here.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021672 jwersan :

said by GeekNJ :

He JUST upgraded when he ran his first test and then less then 2 hours he posted what looks like a 15/2 config. My guess is his Boost didn't take. All he needs to do is call up and ask why his modem doesn't apparently have Boost. I'm sure the rep can resolve it.

Don't you think that this far in on offering Boost, that OOL would have their act together on configuring the modems???
IMHO all these "mistakes" in configs of the modems, where the modem is "accidentally" downgraded to 15/2 is highly suspicious.
You would assume that these types of mistakes would be made when they were first offering the tier, but now these types of "mistakes" should NOT be happening..
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021520 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

It's an anon poster. Don't you require proof they are on Boost like you are making someone that criticized your precious Verizon do - »Re: [billing] Is Verizon ripping me off?

:uhh::uhh:

:uhh:That is defiantly Boost, not a well performing Boost; probable on an over-sold node.:uhh:

As more people switch to Boost to avoid the cap, the nodes will become over-sold resulting in a different type of cap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021520 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:39:17 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021415 batterup :

said by jaa :

said by batterup :

said by jaa :

Those also look like 15/2 speeds, not boost 30/5 speeds.
Nothing you posted indicates any CV capping.

Not with a 24 meg download and over 2 meg upload. No one ever went faster then Cablevisio's advertised speed.

Wrong again, buttercup. Speeds were 12.5/1.9 which are typical of a 15/2 connection.

Are you saying another subscriber that is paying for BOOST is suddenly and secretly switched back to the basic tear?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021415 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:10:35 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021014 jaa :

said by batterup :

said by jaa :

Those also look like 15/2 speeds, not boost 30/5 speeds.
Nothing you posted indicates any CV capping.

Not with a 24 meg download and over 2 meg upload. No one ever went faster then Cablevisio's advertised speed.

Wrong again, buttercup. Speeds were 12.5/1.9 which are typical of a 15/2 connection.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18020897 batterup :

said by jaa :

Those also look like 15/2 speeds, not boost 30/5 speeds.
Nothing you posted indicates any CV capping.

Not with a 24 meg download and over 2 meg upload. No one ever went faster then Cablevisio's advertised speed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18020897 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 04:57:16 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18018372 La Luna :

said by crum :

hmm just got this

Also, have you rebooted your modem since upgrading?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18018372 Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:10:22 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18017773 anon : hmm just got this
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18017773 Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:10:55 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18017415 batterup :

said by crum :

i just upgraded to boost like 5 min ago to see if it would remove my cap but so far it hasn't anyone know how long it takes?? thx

You are not capped, you are most likely on a busy node. Try a speed test at 02:00.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18017415 Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:40:43 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18017392 anon : i just upgraded to boost like 5 min ago to see if it would remove my cap but so far it hasn't anyone know how long it takes?? thx

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18017392 Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:35:39 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17987628 GeekNJ :

said by epainter :

I purchased a Linksys BEFSX41 wired router. My upload speeds have increased through the router but the download speeds are the same unless I disable the firewall in the router.
Is there a different setting in the router to look at other than disabling the firewall?

The other router was wired also.

No, SPI, which you are calling the firewall, slows down home routers like the BEFSX41. It's inspecting the contents of all packets that come in vs just routing them.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17987509 WoodyLI :

said by epainter :

I was capped so I upgraded to boost. However I am getting no increase in speeds while running through my router and they state that are not throttling me anymore after the call from the security dept.

I don't think the router has anything to do with your problem here. Even through a Linksys router you should get noticeable speed increases, at least on the upload side. You will get better performance with some routers than others but you should still be able to see the upload speed difference after upgrading to boost.

Run a speed test from the tools section of this website and cut and past the result tag in here. Make a note of how you are connecting to the router (wireless or wired). That will be helpful to determine what your speed actually is.

I want to make sure you don't have the same problem I had or you risk getting capped again even after upgrading to boost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17987509 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:28:33 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17978983 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

What is wrong with the router Cablevision offers, does it cap speed?

Why are you quoting jaa? He was responding to someone with a NR041.

The router OOL offers is fine. Go buy one.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17978974 batterup :

said by jaa :

I had one of those - it wouldn't even handle the non-boost speeds. Get a new router - see the faq for a list of routers people have found to get near-full speeds on boost.

What is wrong with the router Cablevision offers, does it cap speed?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17978974 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:41:02 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17974411 Cable Fiend :

said by jaa :

said by Cable Fiend :

*cough* I am uncapped

Did that happen all by itself?

I have never heard of them uncapping based on a phone call like you posted in your first post. Usually they have their "security" department call you back and give you a lecture and having you promise to sacrifice your first born if you upload too much in the future - then they remove the cap. And it reportedly takes several phone calls and days to get them to call you...

No, but its happened exactly how you said it... except we haven't reached the call part yet - I upgraded to boost. They wouldn't let me call their department, "They don't have a number." ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17974411 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:28:21 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17969318 jaa :

said by Cable Fiend :

*cough* I am uncapped

Did that happen all by itself?

I have never heard of them uncapping based on a phone call like you posted in your first post. Usually they have their "security" department call you back and give you a lecture and having you promise to sacrifice your first born if you upload too much in the future - then they remove the cap. And it reportedly takes several phone calls and days to get them to call you...
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17966949 GeekNJ :

said by Cable Fiend :

I also know I do not take up alot of bandwidth which makes it all the more obvious that they ARE targetting people who even download a piece of a torrent

No one has reported being capped because of download, just excessive upload usage.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17962995 WoodyLI :

said by jaa :

I accept what you stated as fact:
1. You are a boost subscriber.
2. Your modem had a non-boost config file, and you got capped.

Bingo!

That is all I'm saying....everything else is stuff you are making up. It doesn't matter how many different log in names you use to try to make the point either. You are still talking about what you said, not what I said.

Maybe I didn't realize at first it was a non boost config file, I've already said that. In my opinion it's irrelevant for 99% of boost users who don't know how to check their modem config.

Now I'm sure you are keeping thorough notes of every post I've made in the past few weeks cross referencing them with a computer so I'll be interested to see what old posts you come up with now in an attempt to misquote me and derail the facts. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17962995 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:19:11 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17961420 jaa :

said by WoodyLI :

Yes this thread is about capping. Not about capping with boost....just capping in general.

I was capped, that is a fact, and I happened to be subscribing to boost at the time. That's all. These guys can reword it all they want and quote me out of context for the next fifty pages but it doesn't change facts.

I accept what you stated as fact:
1. You are a boost subscriber.
2. Your modem had a non-boost config file, and you got capped.

I dispute your conclusion that CV caps boost subscribers. You have posted nothing that supports your boost-cap assertion, and others have posted tests that contradict it.

There is overwhelming evidence posted here that would lead anyone with half a brain to conclude that CV is not capping 30/5 boost customers at this time.
1. Numerous 24/7 full-bore upload tests - no cap
2. BOOST customer with a cap easily explained as a boost provisioning error. These errors are known to occur; non-boost configuration are known to be subject to capping.

When a tree fell and my power went out, I did not call the power company and ask why they did a "service disconnect" and how dare they disrupt service to a purple-skinned family. I told them my power was out.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17959745 La Luna :

said by jaa :

Nope, not at all relevant. For it to be relevant, there would have to be an intentional act on the part of CV to reset a boost modem back to 15/2 as a result of excessive uploading, and then the "regular OOL" cap kick in. The fact that a boost modem got set to 15/2, and then got capped is a yawner and meaningless - it is exactly what one would expect. To call that "boost capping" is dishonest. And the fact that it is not reproducible by anyone else makes it meaningless.

I said the same thing....and it went *WHOOSH*. He's implying that CV purposely reverts *some* people back to 15/2 just so they can then be capped, and that just isn't true. If it were, it would be happening to all of us, not just him and one or two others. It's clear that when that happens, it's nothing more than an error. If it was being done for the purpose of capping, why would they fix it immediately upon being notified about it?

He equates the error of being dropped back to 15/2 as being purposely capped. Oh well.

It's obvious boost capping is NOT happening. If you look at the forum, there are NO threads about being capped on boost, instead of what you would expect if that were happening.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17957510 StreetSpirit :

said by jwersan :

said by eye of newt :

For those of you speculating that they do NOT cap Boost users, I'm here to prove that they do!

Please follow this link to download and run "docsdiag", then capture your output and look for lines like these..

C:\~\docsdiag>java -jar docsdiag.jar -vv | find "doscQ"
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.1 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.2 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.3 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.1 = [Gauge32] 30000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.2 = [Gauge32] 30000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.3 = [Gauge32] 30000000


If your output looks like the above, you are capped WITH Boost, if it looks like below then you are capped with regular OOL.

C:\~\docsdiag>java -jar docsdiag.jar -vv | find "doscQ"
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.1 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.2 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.3 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.1 = [Gauge32] 15000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.2 = [Gauge32] 15000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.3 = [Gauge32] 15000000


If any other type of numbers come up, please post them so we can look at them and try to determine what may have happened..

JW, There's a small typo in the commands. Notice that you're piped find has a spelling error, DoscQ instead of DocsQ.

Another thing, searching for "DocsQ" isn't ideal, as it produces 180+ lines of output with -vv.

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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17956723 jaa :

said by WoodyLI :

I really don't care that several members here will argue to their last breath that capping doesn't exist anymore. Show me a memo from cablevision then I'll believe it.

You show me one that says capping exists. I have never seen a memo from cablevision about capping. You got one?

said by WoodyLI :

If boost modems reset back to 15/2 and then get capped it's significant and relevant to this thread.

Nope, not at all relevant. For it to be relevant, there would have to be an intentional act on the part of CV to reset a boost modem back to 15/2 as a result of excessive uploading, and then the "regular OOL" cap kick in. The fact that a boost modem got set to 15/2, and then got capped is a yawner and meaningless - it is exactly what one would expect. To call that "boost capping" is dishonest. And the fact that it is not reproducible by anyone else makes it meaningless.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17954708 La Luna :

said by WoodyLI :

La Luna, those are typical speeds. Besides if I have other issues, which I don't, it's irrelevant.

GeekNJ and jaa! Thank you! You've finally acknowledged that I was in fact capped with boost!

I had already conceded that while I had boost my speed was likely downgraded. I hadn't rebooted my modem during that period. It's not my fault my service was dropped from 30/5 back to 15/2 so if it can happen to me it can happen to anyone.

I will make this as clear as I can this time and you can quote me all you want.

"I was an OOL Boost subscriber and my service was capped."

You can call it capped boost, capped while paying for boost, getting dropped back to 15/2 speeds while paying for boost and then capped. It really doesn't matter what you call it.

Huh? If you have other issues going on that caused those low speeds, why would the be "irrelevant"? It would mean you were, indeed, NOT capped. We can't assume that other issues were not the cause of your poor speeds just by looking at speed test screenies.

Dropping your service back down to 15/2 in error while on boost is NOT being capped. It's just that....an error or glitch (even if you are subsequently capped before you noticed you were back on 15/2). Capping is done on purpose. Big difference.

I fail to see where either GeekNJ or jaa acknowledged you being capped.

If you want to make yourself nuts believing you are the only person, ever, to have been capped on boost, be my guest.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17954046 WoodyLI :

said by xstingx :

So, anyone want to give me the update on what you need to do to get capped?

It's still the same....upload for more than about an hour continuous and you are likely to get capped.

There is strong speculation that if you have a working (stress working) boost subscription that they won't cap you ever. Subscribing to boost alone is not enough, you must verify your connection yourself to ensure it's running.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17954046 Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:16:57 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17941000 jaa :

said by WoodyLI :

GeekNJ and jaa! Thank you! You've finally acknowledged that I was in fact capped with boost!

Not I. I am certain you believe you had your boost capped.

Since it is an isolated incident with no data to confirm or deny, and it is not repeatable by anyone else, it is of absolutely no significance.

Others have attempted to reproduce your problem (streetspirit comes to mind) by uploading full bore with boost. He did not get capped. Several others have also posted full bore uploads with boost and no cap.

You believe you got capped, and that is all that matters to you.

What matters to the other 1.5million+ subscribers is there are one or two unconfirmable reports of being capped with boost, and many reproduceable test showing full bore uploads 24/7 and no cap.

When OOL was (is) capping regular OOL, this board lit up like a christmas tree with many posts of like experiences. After two weeks of discussing your issue, there has not been a single other user post a similar experience.

Were you mistaken about the cap, or did CV intentionally cap your boost? It is moot and no point arguing since there is no way to determine the correct answer.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17940958 GeekNJ :

said by WoodyLI :

GeekNJ and jaa! Thank you! You've finally acknowledged that I was in fact capped with boost!

No, I didn't say you were capped on Boost. In fact, I stated the exact OPPOSITE.

You can inadvertently get switched back to 15/2 and not be capped. We saw someone with that exact issue here. So I'd contend that getting the wrong config of 15/2 is NOT so you are capped.

Now what is odd as hell is you said just a few posts above, that:

said by WoodyLI :

I never said I was capped with boost service anyway.

I think you need to pick one of your personalities and stick with it.

I will state it as clear as I can - No 30/5 Boost user has ever shown they were capped.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17940217 GeekNJ :

said by WoodyLI :

I never said I was capped with boost service anyway. I said I upgraded to boost, subscribed to boost, was paying for boost, and got capped. If I didn't get capped with boost then the that means cablevision downgrades boost users to standard service without telling them, and then caps them.

Here's what you said in a post at »Re: definitely capped and with Boost :

said by WoodyLI :

You base your whole assumption that no one gets capped using boost because they didn't prove it? Nothing posted in here is proven.

I know I got capped, OOL knows I got capped. Do you expect me to bring you to my house to test my line yourself so you are satisfied?

Your own words challenging me that no one gets capped on Boost and your reply is "I know I got capped".

So yes, you said you were capped on Boost.

From you reports above, I'd say you fall into the category of 2 or 3 other people were their configs were reset to 15/2 (non-Boost) and then were capped because they continued, once the wrong config was loaded, to upload.

You can make the assumption that CV purposely changed your config to 15/2 but as posted in other threads, even before Boost and capping, there were cases when the system incorrectly changed non-Boost users to the walled garden config with no access at all. A mistake in the system or by a human mis-keying something.

You making the assumption that it was done deliberately is like me saying that when I ordered Verizon TV on their web site 2months ago, and they didn't enable the HD channels and VOD on my account, that it was done on purpose so they didn't have to supply me those services. I had to call and speak with a human who corrected the issue and said that yes, that happens. I guess Verizon is purposely doing it like CV is or is it just a mistake or glitch in the system like I would attribute the cause of the error?
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17939427 WoodyLI : Oh by the way. Although I cancelled boost before I was able to document my cap properly. I do have my test record from this website to show that I did in fact have boost and that I was in fact capped.

Here are some highlights of my test history:

1. A speed test prior to ordering boost and prior to my second cap back in November 2006, note the 15/2 speed.


_______________________________________________________
2. A speed test after my second cap. At this point I upgraded to boost but wasn't getting the speed. Tech support reset my modem without having to contact "security" and go through the usual hoops but I did have to ask. Note the obvious upload cap.


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3. After upgrading to boost and getting the cap removed. I ran a couple tests here because the first one showed a slow download to a distant server. Although my highest download is about the same as without boost, my upload is definately boost speeds. I have a linksys router in this test so it's not going to get the full 30/5.


This is more like it, end of November:


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4. This is January after almost two months of boost service. I ran several speed tests in this time. Mostly about the same as this. Did they drop my boost service without telling me? It looks like 15/2 again. I was getting the boost control panel on the website, boost tech support said boost was working fine but not everyone gets the same speed, and I was definitely paying for it...I can post a copy of my bill if you really need that.


_______________________________________________________
5. This is what I got in early Feb after a little over two months of boost. Note the dl is within 15/2 speeds but the upload is definately capped.


_______________________________________________________
6. This is what my speed test looks like while trying to upload a file from one machine at 15kbps and running the speed test from another. Definitely a cap:


_______________________________________________________
7. This is the first speed test after removing boost service in early Feb (as jaa suggested, why send them money if they aren't providing the service). This is good enough for me and basically what all my tests have been like since then.


Interestingly enough, almost a month after removing boost, I still have full access to the FTP site and domain I created under the boost account. I guess I own the domain name and can move it to a new host provider but they haven't taken it down yet. I know OOL contracts out the boost hosting services to a third party. When they do I will simply subscribe to another third party host.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17939427 Sun, 04 Mar 2007 00:12:56 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17935177 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

quote:

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The common law origins of defamation lie in the torts of slander (harmful statement in a transitory form, especially speech) and libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast), each of which gives a common law right of action.

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Hey, why don't you copy paste anything about CV that is a fact? Oh, you don't have any, just your rants. Facts, batterup, go post one. You lie that CV throttles routers. You lie that CV caps Boost. Yet you post above, while telling a lie that everything you write is true, which itself is another lie.

Batterup:
Lies: 3
Creditability: 0

Show facts about CV. Go ahead. Not complicated at all. Should be simple.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17934028 NormanS :

said by GeekNJ :

Ivan, you are yet again, proving yourself wrong. Does 78 wrongs make a right?

No, but three lefts do...

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~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17934028 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 00:03:39 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17933575 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

You are thinking of libel, I say bring it on Jim as everything I write is true.

Ivan, you are yet again, proving yourself wrong. Does 78 wrongs make a right?

quote:

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The common law origins of defamation lie in the torts of slander (harmful statement in a transitory form, especially speech) and libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast), each of which gives a common law right of action.

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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17932451 LiberalKing :

said by GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

You are thinking of libel, I say bring it on Jim as everything I write is true.

Ivan, you are yet again, proving yourself wrong. Does 78 wrongs make a right?

joshua ..this is between jim and ivan.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17932451 Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:35:15 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17928298 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

You are thinking of libel, I say bring it on Jim as everything I write is true.

Ivan, you are yet again, proving yourself wrong. Does 78 wrongs make a right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17928298 Fri, 02 Mar 2007 06:24:56 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17928129 batterup :

said by jaa :

There is more likelihood of CV being successful in suing you for slander than of their being successfully sued for capping. "stealing" and "illegal".

You can't sue me for slander, slander is a spoken statement that is not true that harms someone. You have never heard me say a word. You are thinking of libel, I say bring it on Jim as everything I write is true.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17928129 Fri, 02 Mar 2007 03:24:20 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17925450 jaa :

said by batterup :

said by jaa :

said by batterup :

There you go again, when Cablevision wants to cap a Boost subscriber they illegally remove Boost and then cap them. Then you people can, with plausible denyability,say Cablevision does not caps Boost.

More BS. Illegal?!

If one is paying for a service and Cablevision removes that service and continues to collect money for the higher priced service yes that is stealing and illegal.

There is more likelihood of CV being successful in suing you for slander than of their being successfully sued for capping. "stealing" and "illegal".
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17925409 jaa :

said by WoodyLI :

After paying for boost for about 2-3 months and doing almost no uploading I ran a bit torrent continuously for a little over an hour and got capped. My response was to cancel boost and stop paying for the extra bandwidth that I can't use anyway.

This is simply an objective observation so you will need to disregard all the flamers that will respond to this post calling me a "OOL hater" and a "liar." I really don't waste my time on animosity toward a corporate entity, I just want the best deal for myself and share my experience so others may make an informed decision.

That is not an objective observation, that is a subjective conclusion not supported by the information presented.

As far as I can recall, you are the only one to post that ordering boost did not result in the instant removal of the cap. You are one of just a few people that "believes" they had their boost service capped; many more people report uploading full speed 24/7 and not getting their boost capped.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17923302 GeekNJ :

said by WoodyLI :

After paying for boost for about 2-3 months and doing almost no uploading I ran a bit torrent continuously for a little over an hour and got capped. My response was to cancel boost and stop paying for the extra bandwidth that I can't use anyway.

This is re-hashing what you already posted. All that was asked was for any proof that it occurred and you can't produce it. I understand you don't have it any more, but saying you were absolutely capped on Boost isn't something you've provided any proof of, nor has anyone else that came, said they were capped, and couldn't provide any proof. Unlike many of the others that post and never returned, you remained, which is great, but I don't think you can say you were capped on Boost.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17921921 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

said by jaa :

said by batterup :

There you go again, when Cablevision wants to cap a Boost subscriber they illegally remove Boost and then cap them. Then you people can, with plausible denyability,say Cablevision does not caps Boost.

More BS. Illegal?!

If one is paying for a service and Cablevision removes that service and continues to collect money for the higher priced service yes that is stealing and illegal.

BS - You have NO proof to back of your remarks. No Boost sub has been shown to been dropped to a lower tier because of usage. Show proof.

No Boost sub has been capped. Show proof.

Ever single claim has been shown NOT to be capped.

Just more deception (lies) posted by batterup in order to push his anti-CV agenda.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17920871 batterup :

said by jaa :

said by batterup :

There you go again, when Cablevision wants to cap a Boost subscriber they illegally remove Boost and then cap them. Then you people can, with plausible denyability,say Cablevision does not caps Boost.

More BS. Illegal?!

If one is paying for a service and Cablevision removes that service and continues to collect money for the higher priced service yes that is stealing and illegal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17920871 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:19:10 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17905472 jaa :

said by batterup :

There you go again, when Cablevision wants to cap a Boost subscriber they illegally remove Boost and then cap them. Then you people can, with plausible denyability,say Cablevision does not caps Boost.

More BS. Illegal?! That's a good one. Believe me, if CV makes one legal misstep, there are a thousand CV haters ready to make the pay. There has been lots of talk - for years - about the "illegal" activities of CV and suing them. Lots of talk - but no action.

It seems the "allegedly" capped boost customer got scared away...or found out he was not capped.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17904857 jwersan :

said by GeekNJ :

said by jwersan :

I am almost hoping that he is capped so that we can see what the caps for Boost are...

You CAN'T be serious? :huh:

Actually.. Yea!
I still hold that it is only a matter of time before Boost gets capped too.
Now do I HOPE OOL WILL cap Boost, no.
But regardless of what I hope for, I am almost positive that OOL will cap them eventually.

If they are capping Boost, then I want to see what they do when they cap, but I suspect that they downgrade the user and cap by pushing the old "capped" config..
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17903692 GeekNJ :

said by jwersan :

I am almost hoping that he is capped so that we can see what the caps for Boost are...

You CAN'T be serious? :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17903692 Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:53:20 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17903675 jwersan :

said by TheWiseGuy :

said by GeekNJ :

We know he's not capped with either since he's exceeding the 150k speed even to Miami.

I tend to agree, except we can not be 100% sure that they would not cap Boost at a higher level but I believe shaping is much much much more likely for Boost then capping, especially if it is using DOCSIS 2.0.

I agree, hence the caveat at the end of my post, I am almost hoping that he is capped so that we can see what the caps for Boost are...
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17903474 TheWiseGuy :

said by GeekNJ :

We know he's not capped with either since he's exceeding the 150k speed even to Miami.

I tend to agree, except we can not be 100% sure that they would not cap Boost at a higher level but I believe shaping is much much much more likely for Boost then capping, especially if it is using DOCSIS 2.0.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17903440 jwersan :

said by eye of newt :

There's no link...please repost.

Sorry, I wanted to make sure the info was correct and I left out the link.. :huh:
»homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d.h.···ocsdiag/

Sorry. :D
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17903239 jwersan :

said by eye of newt :

For those of you speculating that they do NOT cap Boost users, I'm here to prove that they do!

Please follow this link to download and run "docsdiag", then capture your output and look for lines like these..

C:\~\docsdiag>java -jar docsdiag.jar -vv | find "doscQ"
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.1 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.2 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.3 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.1 = [Gauge32] 30000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.2 = [Gauge32] 30000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.3 = [Gauge32] 30000000


If your output looks like the above, you are capped WITH Boost, if it looks like below then you are capped with regular OOL.

C:\~\docsdiag>java -jar docsdiag.jar -vv | find "doscQ"
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.1 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.2 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.3 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.1 = [Gauge32] 15000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.2 = [Gauge32] 15000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.3 = [Gauge32] 15000000


If any other type of numbers come up, please post them so we can look at them and try to determine what may have happened..
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17902744 GeekNJ : You are testing against Florida!! I have 20/5 FIOS and I would test well below that against non-local speed test sites.

What does »www.speakeasy.net/speedtest and the NYC test show?

And what does your config show?

As a point of comparison, I'm on a T3 and can only get the following when hitting the Miami test:


In comparison, the NYC test is 2x the Miami test:
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17902722 eye of newt : I subscribed to OOL Boost to get rid of the cap they placed on me since I never heard from customer service (they said a tech person would call me within 76 hours--which never happened). Since I noticed the first month was free and the cap would probably be removed automatically, I thought I'd give it a whirl.

For those of you speculating that they do NOT cap Boost users, I'm here to prove that they do! I'm calling them this minute to create a stink.

I was doing 22Mbps down and 3-4Mbps up just yesterday, and now this!

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17902722 Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:13:09 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17901108 batterup :

said by La Luna :

See this thread for more NO CAPPING on Boost info:

There you go again, when Cablevision wants to cap a Boost subscriber they illegally remove Boost and then cap them. Then you people can, with plausible denyability,say Cablevision does not caps Boost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17901108 Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:04:38 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17901072 batterup :

said by Ryft :

Hey all!
I read through all your threads [flamewars?] and ran the tests you guys have produced. Now, for my question.
Would upgrading to boost now uncap me or should I wait till security calls me.

Greetings and salutation, welcome to the capping thread.

First, I don't believe you read all 7 parts of this thread, it has more words then the Encyclopedia Britannica.

Second, when the *Special Technician* calls back he will not do anything for you. He will want to speak to your Father. He will tell your Father you have been a bad boy and are stealing copyrighted material and you Father is responsible for your actions. Then and ONLY then will he remove the cap.

Now you will know I speaking the undeniable truth because the apologists will not deny it or put a Cablevision spin on it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17901072 Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:57:59 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17898756 La Luna :

said by Ryft :

Now, for my question.
Would upgrading to boost now uncap me or should I wait till security calls me. My hypothesis is that the server would automatically send the Boost config file to my router and up my limits, overwriting the capped cfg as though it were a standard optonline cfg. Though, I don't want it to create a bigger mess.

What would you recommend?

You will be uncapped immediately with the upgrade, no phone call required. You can upgrade to Boost online, upgrade is almost immediate. You *may* need to reboot your modem (some do, some don't).

See this thread for more NO CAPPING on Boost info:

»[BOOST] BT/Capping/Tx TEST

EDIT: wrong link
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17898520 jwersan :

said by Ryft :

Now, for my question.
Would upgrading to boost now uncap me or should I wait till security calls me. My hypothesis is that the server would automatically send the Boost config file to my router and up my limits, overwriting the capped cfg as though it were a standard optonline cfg. Though, I don't want it to create a bigger mess.

So far the general consensus is that upgrading to Boost will in fact remove the cap...

Good luck..
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17890026 batterup :

said by StreetSpirit :

said by batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

.......... and a couple actually had their config's reset to the regular tier and not the Boost tier.

Very slick and in keeping with past practices. Boost has never been capped, Cablevision removes Boost then capes you. A skunk can't change its stripe.

Well that isn't quite true as I've experienced it. It has ZERO to do with traffic and everything to do with technical glitches of marrying a modem chipset to a CMTS.

That is very similar to losing 2/3 of one's downloading capacity if one uses a router. Just a coincidence? Well it does give Cablevision plausible deniableility when they are caught secretly capping.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17890026 Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:14:52 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17859397 StreetSpirit :

said by batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

.......... and a couple actually had their config's reset to the regular tier and not the Boost tier.

Very slick and in keeping with past practices. Boost has never been capped, Cablevision removes Boost then capes you. A skunk can't change its stripe.

Well that isn't quite true as I've experienced it. It has ZERO to do with traffic and everything to do with technical glitches of marrying a modem chipset to a CMTS.

I had an old 5100 which reverted to normal settings about a half dozen times in the first month of my Boost usage. They worked with me and eventually swapped it out for an SBV5120 so many moons ago.

Also BOOST was a new product - technical glitches had to be expected, and this was in the days of 30/2.

Since then my modem has not reverted to non-boost settings, even with usage well exceeding my 3/768 ADSL line, much of it upstream.

Dave]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17859397 Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:19:30 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17859388 StreetSpirit :

said by WoodyLI :

There are some things that can be concluded from this forum thread.

1- Boost users are being capped

2- If you say anything about it, a flurry of posts will ensue from the same people accusing you of lying, exaggerating, and spreading misinformation. They will research your entire posting history looking for the slightest inconsistency in what you've said in an effort to discredit you as though you are running for a political office and they are the opposing party. They will attempt to derail the thread to discourage users from reading or posting and will flat out deny that any capping could possibly have occurred as if they were there in your house.

This is not normal for a technical discussion forum. People don't normally behave this way in such forums. There is a lot more going on here than a peer to peer support forum. If there is any doubt, just go ahead and post a very slight negative comment about Cablevision anywhere in these forums and see what happens.

1. Wrong. How many TB per month screenshots do you need to see that it isn't? Did you see that shot someone posted a yesterday? That's insane amounts of traffic. Is that peson capped? Doubt it very much.

2. My modem lost it's BOOST settings in the first months I had it about a half dozen times if not more. After a modem swap, that behavior went away, but if I wasn't careful, I could've easily been capped during one of those instances and believe myself to be "capped with BOOST".

3. You, sir, are being silly. Your dislike of Cablevision is blinding you.

Seperate the technology/product from the company. Boost is a dream, and I'm not the only one who thinks so.

Dave]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17859388 Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:11:56 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856613 batterup :

said by Irish Shark :

I have BOOST at my rental property in The Hamptons. I asked my renter to run DocsDiag for me since he was complaining of slow speeds on speed tests.

Here is what he sent me:

said by My Renter :

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C:\~\docsdiag>java -jar docsdiag.jar -vv | find "150000"
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.1 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.2 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.3 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.1 = [Gauge32] 30000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.2 = [Gauge32] 30000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.3 = [Gauge32] 30000000

---

So there it is folks. Another BOOST cap. WITH PROOF

;)

You know that Cablevision secretly drops the subscriber the the lower tear of service before applying the cap. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856613 Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:27:42 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856600 batterup :

said by jaa :

Good point. If you have boost, and a 15/2 capped config file, all you have to do is call CV and they will send the correct config file. A simple call to tech support would have cleared it up.

A simple call yes. To have the technical know how to know what evil lurks in the heart of Cablevision, not so simple.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856600 Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:24:49 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856584 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :


We ask for proof and then the posters attack us. Verizon FIOS caps. There, do I need proof or you just believe me?

I would not dismiss your statement out of hand if there was a thread as long as this documenting capping by Verizon, you will know them by their fruit.

Cablevision must limit usage because of the local shared pipe. Boost will/must be capped as the nodes get over sold.

Cablevision has hit a new low. Dropping a subscriber that pays for BOOT to the lower service tear so they can be capped, yet keeps billing for BOOST.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856584 Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:21:11 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856527 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

Verizon is the cause of Boost being capped.

Boost isn't capped. More FUD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856527 Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:08:55 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856520 batterup :

said by jaa :

It seems your anger should be directed at Verizon, which has done nothing in the past 7 years to provide you with broadband.

See Cablevision is your friend, Verizon is the cause of Boost being capped. It is all Verizon's fault. Now just stick your head in a hole and don't notice Cablevision using any means necessary to prevent Verizon form deploying FIOS at a profit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856520 Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:07:57 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856507 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

One just has to realise those name callers that attempt to cow us unto silence are..., I have said all I am permitted to say.

More FUD and as you seem so anxious to post often in other threads, "Ad hominem".

Maybe you can explain how someone such as yourself who was banned from Verizon has it now? That might be a more interesting discussion then your name calling.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856493 batterup :

said by WoodyLI :

Probably the reason the reports of capping have gone down is because no one wants to put up with the abuse they get for reporting.

Cablevision has ways to get what they want. They didn't want the West Side Stadium and used any means necessary to keep if from being built.

They don't like capping talk and will use any means necessary to silence those that have been robbed of the service they paid for.

One just has to realise those name callers that attempt to cow us unto silence are..., I have said all I am permitted to say.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856493 Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:02:25 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856489 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

.......... and a couple actually had their config's reset to the regular tier and not the Boost tier.

Very slick and in keeping with past practices. Boost has never been capped, Cablevision removes Boost then capes you. A skunk can't change its stripe.

Here comes the King of FUD to latch on to any anti-CV post and ride it.

Maybe you can explain my Verizon cap outlined in a prev post above?

And I'm wondering, how do you have Verizon anyway? Weren't you banned from Verizon?
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856454 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

.......... and a couple actually had their config's reset to the regular tier and not the Boost tier.

Very slick and in keeping with past practices. Boost has never been capped, Cablevision removes Boost then capes you. A skunk can't change its stripe.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856454 Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:53:04 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856104 LiberalKing :

said by Irish Shark :

Didn't you see the ... ;)

bASTARD :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856104 Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:30:52 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17856048 jaa :

said by LiberalKing :

said by Irish Shark :

I have BOOST at my rental property in The Hamptons. I asked my renter to run DocsDiag for me since he was complaining of slow speeds on speed tests.

Here is what he sent me:

said by My Renter :

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C:\~\docsdiag>java -jar docsdiag.jar -vv | find "150000"
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.1 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.2 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.3 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.1 = [Gauge32] 30000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.2 = [Gauge32] 30000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.3 = [Gauge32] 30000000

---

So there it is folks. Another BOOST cap. WITH PROOF

;)

:o

Sorry guys, I suspect that supposed docsdiag output is a fake.

If you look at the command line where the output is piped into find 150000, why would the last three lines show up in the output?
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17855733 LiberalKing :

said by Irish Shark :

I have BOOST at my rental property in The Hamptons. I asked my renter to run DocsDiag for me since he was complaining of slow speeds on speed tests.

Here is what he sent me:

said by My Renter :

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C:\~\docsdiag>java -jar docsdiag.jar -vv | find "150000"
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.1 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.2 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.3 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.1 = [Gauge32] 30000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.2 = [Gauge32] 30000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.3 = [Gauge32] 30000000

---

So there it is folks. Another BOOST cap. WITH PROOF

;)

:o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17855733 Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:14:21 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17855587 WoodyLI :

said by WoodyLI :

There are some things that can be concluded from this forum thread.

1- Boost users are being capped

2- If you say anything about it, a flurry of posts will ensue from the same people accusing you of lying, exaggerating, and spreading misinformation. They will research your entire posting history looking for the slightest inconsistency in what you've said in an effort to discredit you as though you are running for a political office and they are the opposing party. They will attempt to derail the thread to discourage users from reading or posting and will flat out deny that any capping could possibly have occurred as if they were there in your house.

This is not normal for a technical discussion forum. People don't normally behave this way in such forums. There is a lot more going on here than a peer to peer support forum. If there is any doubt, just go ahead and post a very slight negative comment about Cablevision anywhere in these forums and see what happens.

Wow! I rest my case! Unbelievable. Sorry for quoting myself but I think my point is so clear after the last couple posts that responded to it. These are direct personal attacks against me simply because I posted that I was capped.

And I swear these people live in these forums. It's the weekend and eventually I'll get bored of this and go back to my regular job. These people will still be here to defend the interests of the corporation long after I've left.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17855587 Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:35:14 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17855453 TheWiseGuy :

said by WoodyLI :

There are some things that can be concluded from this forum thread.

1- Boost users are being capped

Huh, because you say so, nonsense

said by WoodyLI :

2- If you say anything about it, a flurry of posts will ensue from the same people accusing you of lying, exaggerating, and spreading misinformation. They will research your entire posting history looking for the slightest inconsistency in what you've said in an effort to discredit you as though you are running for a political office and they are the opposing party. They will attempt to derail the thread to discourage users from reading or posting and will flat out deny that any capping could possibly have occurred as if they were there in your house.

This is not normal for a technical discussion forum. People don't normally behave this way in such forums. There is a lot more going on here than a peer to peer support forum. If there is any doubt, just go ahead and post a very slight negative comment about Cablevision anywhere in these forums and see what happens.

Well you won't have to put up with me answering your posts anymore, you just keep posting nonsense. BTW yes, I go back and look at old posts, I like to know who I am dealing with, do they make intelligent posts or post nonsense. So GOODBYE
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17855447 GeekNJ :

said by WoodyLI :

There are some things that can be concluded from this forum thread.

1- Boost users are being capped

There's been no proof of it. Every previous claim prior to yours were proven NOT to be the case. Since you have no proof and not willing to get back on 30/5 again, likely for no cost, and get proof, it's just

said by WoodyLI :

2- If you say anything about it, a flurry of posts will ensue from the same people accusing you of lying, exaggerating, and spreading misinformation.
This is not normal for a technical discussion forum. People don't normally behave this way in such forums. There is a lot more going on here than a peer to peer support forum. If there is any doubt, just go ahead and post a very slight negative comment about Cablevision anywhere in these forums and see what happens.

This forum is no different then any forum I've participated in. I think you feel like this way because you don't have anything to show actual proof, which is what we're asking for.

How is this forum different? Folks helping others occurs dozens of times a day. Whether the person posts info positive or negative about CV is irrelevant. Look at previous threads I referenced with the poster claiming some wrong doing has been done to them and someone jumps in to fix their problem. I'd say more often then not, the poster is bashing CV and someone helps them out. Most times, it has nothing to do with CV. Read some more posts on this forum and I'd say you'd find your generalization incorrect.
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said by WoodyLI :

I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt here but in the interest of consumer advocacy and healthy competition, please stop standing up for these companies so much. They are here to please us and make some money, we are here to criticize and scrutinize everything they do and on rare occasions thank them for the job well done. Really, large corporations don't have an ego, we don't need to stroke it.

I'm not standing up for any company. I am looking to have accurate information available to others looking to make educated decisions and not challenging information that isn't documented leaves a big hole. What if no one challenged your claim? There would be dozens of folks that hate CV who would use these unchallenged posts to perpetuate the potentially inaccurate information.

said by WoodyLI :

There is a working theory here that OOL doesn't CAP 30/5 and will only cap 15/2. This sounds plausible so it seems that when OOL finds they are short of bandwidth in a particular location they knock boost users down to 15/2 without telling them. Then, they get capped on the usual uploads that stream for an hour or so.

Why do you make that assumption? Because there's been two previous posts of it? Did you see the posts I made when the same issue happened before there even was capping and folks MAC addresses were incorrectly entered and the equivalent of this same issue occurred? No, *I* don't think CV is deliberately changing a MAC address config from 30/5 to 15/2 for any reason.
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1- Boost users are being capped

2- If you say anything about it, a flurry of posts will ensue from the same people accusing you of lying, exaggerating, and spreading misinformation. They will research your entire posting history looking for the slightest inconsistency in what you've said in an effort to discredit you as though you are running for a political office and they are the opposing party. They will attempt to derail the thread to discourage users from reading or posting and will flat out deny that any capping could possibly have occurred as if they were there in your house.

This is not normal for a technical discussion forum. People don't normally behave this way in such forums. There is a lot more going on here than a peer to peer support forum. If there is any doubt, just go ahead and post a very slight negative comment about Cablevision anywhere in these forums and see what happens.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17855391 Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:56:55 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17855350 TheWiseGuy : BTW there have been users who have reported they were knocked back to the 15/2 tier several times that have never been capped. How does that fit into your theory? I am sure you will find some way to fit it in.
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Here is what he sent me:

said by My Renter :

---

C:\~\docsdiag>java -jar docsdiag.jar -vv | find "150000"
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.1 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.2 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9659.3 = [Gauge32] 150000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.1 = [Gauge32] 30000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.2 = [Gauge32] 30000000
docsQosMIB.1.2.2.6.2.9660.3 = [Gauge32] 30000000

---

So there it is folks. Another BOOST cap. WITH PROOF

;)
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said by WoodyLI :

There is a working theory here that OOL doesn't CAP 30/5 and will only cap 15/2. This sounds plausible so it seems that when OOL finds they are short of bandwidth in a particular location they knock boost users down to 15/2 without telling them. Then, they get capped on the usual uploads that stream for an hour or so.

Wouldn't work, to change the caps the Modem would have to go on and off to change the configuration file. I am fairly sure this is why changing the caps when utilization changes would never be used.

said by WoodyLI :

As I've said I live in a fairly rural location

Yeah and people who live in Brooklyn have said the heavy population density causes less Bandwidth to be available there. Personally I doubt they change the caps from 30/5 to 15/2 deliberately, I think it is a bug in the system.

JMO most users with Boost will notice being capped immediately and this would not be effective in saving any Bandwidth. All it would do is alienate users and if they are using Boost to compete with FIOS they would not want that!

I think anyone can see where you are coming from by going back to your November post where you claim OOL would never allow users to use the bandwidth!
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I can live with that. :-)

No GeekNJ, you never used the word liar, thank you, but a couple others did. Originally there was no angry tone in any of my posts, only informative. I was not angry at Cablevision, only frustrated. I never said anything bad about the company other than my disagreement with their capping policy. I've been much harsher on you than Cablevision I think. I didn't accuse you of participating in Sony's guerrilla marketing campaign. I simply pointed out that the last company you worked for, Sony, did in fact place trolls in forums like this to defend and promote their interests and I have no doubt that many other companies use similar marketing tactics. Personally, if I was running Cablevisions marketing I would hire knowledgable techs and set them up with multiple IPs for that purpose. Now before you get defensive, I have no proof and maybe you are just a fanboy (I know you hate that word) and not an employee but you can't argue the likelihood that Cablevision is up to these tricks. I know that BBR specifically prohibits such actions and threatens companies with de-listing so I think that should be discouragement enough.

I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt here but in the interest of consumer advocacy and healthy competition, please stop standing up for these companies so much. They are here to please us and make some money, we are here to criticize and scrutinize everything they do and on rare occasions thank them for the job well done. Really, large corporations don't have an ego, we don't need to stroke it.

As far as myself using multiple accounts, I only have one IP so I'd have to do it on my laptop while somewhere else and I do travel and log in here with different IPs but always use the same login. I participate actively in several forums and admin one of them. It's usually pretty obvious when someone is logging in with multiple accounts. In fact, I recently uncovered a particularly brutal situation of a former co worker who had been fired and then logging in with multiple accounts on a public news forum to discredit my company and attempt to spread public dissent and misinformation in a criminal investigation where lives were at stake. He has since been fired from his subsequent job as well. I consider such practices despicable. And no, I never type in bold face, I'm a very calm person. ;-)
_______________________________________________________

So...to get back on topic...

There is a working theory here that OOL doesn't CAP 30/5 and will only cap 15/2. This sounds plausible so it seems that when OOL finds they are short of bandwidth in a particular location they knock boost users down to 15/2 without telling them. Then, they get capped on the usual uploads that stream for an hour or so.

As I've said I live in a fairly rural location and am lucky to have cable service at all since even DSL in not available here and satellite is....well, you all know. It seems that OOL is probably very short on available bandwidth in my location and quickly dropped me to 15/2 shortly after I upgraded to Boost. In the two months I had boost I was extremely careful not to run any continuous uploads so I'm certain that running my torrent client for just over an hour two weeks ago was the specific cause of my cap which occurred two days later while I was out of town.

GeekNJ, I will be willing to meet you halfway on this one. You were very clear in stating that 30/5 boost users have never reported being capped. Without knowing what my test speed was at the time of the cap I will concede that it very well could have been dropped to 15/2 prior to my cap. I am certain my original Boost speed was a 30/5 connection because my speed tests were well into the 20s from the teens after I upgraded.

The end result is the same, a boost user has reported being capped. However OOL gets the job done they are still willing to cap boost users. IMO a downgrade to 15/2 is somewhat of a cap even though it's more bandwidth than I will use. They are still charging me for a service they are not providing and I don't think that's right. I also think it's important to make users aware of how rudely they treat you when you call to get uncapped. It's the only way to ultimately change that behavior.

___________________________________________________

Again I am curious if anyone knows if it's possible to avoid the three strikes rule by OOL if you get a separate cable modem under a different name in the same household.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17855275 Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:25:18 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17855180 jaa :

said by WoodyLI :

I can't believe I spent the majority of my day discussing this stuff, and I'm not even getting paid for my time.

Good point. If you have boost, and a 15/2 capped config file, all you have to do is call CV and they will send the correct config file. A simple call to tech support would have cleared it up.

Waiting almost two weeks to post about it here is a big waste of time.
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We ask for proof and then the posters attack us. Verizon FIOS caps. There, do I need proof or you just believe me? Come on - someone makes an accusation, which in the past has been shown to be incorrect in all cases, but you believe them? We asked for proof. We didn't call him a liar - he used the word over and over, not I and not JAA.
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said by GeekNJ :

And Efrem, modify your posting style a little more as it's starting to become obvious, minus the bolding (at least so far), that it is you using yet ANOTHER account.

Are you sure this is Efrem??
I checked WoodyLI's account and it shows him as a member in his fourth year.. »/profile/797510

Geek & Jaa, you two have to admit that anytime someone posts that they are a Boost user and they feel they are capped you both come out with statements like "I don't believe it show proof" instead of taking the person's word that they believe they are capped and helping them prove it.

It is the tone of your responses that seems accusatory..

Plus if you look at some of the previous users of Boost who claimed to be capped, when they were able to show a Dosdiag dump, they usually turned out to be at 15/2 but capped, and we all assumed that OOL had mistakenly dropped them to 15/2, which opened them up to capping.

The mistakenly dropped to 15/2 at this point in time does not hold water anymore for me, I would be more apt to believe that after all this time "mistakes" like this on OOL's side should not happen, so there has to be another explanation..

At this point, since he can not provide any "definitive" proof, but based on his postings, I would be more likely to place this in the unconfirmed, but believable category than the "user error" category...
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said by jaa :

The number of people who claim to have boost and upload 24/7 without getting capped outnumber those with boost who claim to have been capped by 10 to 1.

Actually, there have been many Boost users that show their down/up stats via DUMeter, etc as proof they are doing a tremendous amount of uploading. There's been no proof to date that anyone with 30/5 was capped.
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said by WoodyLI :

It is hard to believe that large sections of Long Island don't have DSL service but it's true. I'm guessing Verizon has no intention of investing anything on DSL expansion at this point since they are rolling FIOS out. I attempted to switch to Verizon DSL last year when OOL capped me the first time but after a very bad experience from Verizon (They waited until I signed the contract to inform me that DSL wasn't actually available in my area) I canceled after a couple weeks.

Cablevision was very helpful in setting me back up and porting my number over to OV while waiving all connection and porting charges and then throwing in a six month discounted subscription for a returning customer. If it wasn't for this capping after only modest uploads I would have no significant complaints about OOL.

It seems your anger should be directed at Verizon, which has done nothing in the past 7 years to provide you with broadband. CV, on the other hand, has provided you with broadband with excellent customer service, including discounting the service - even though there is no competition. Compare that to Verizon, which has a much higher price for their service where there is less competition.

The number of people who claim to have boost and upload 24/7 without getting capped outnumber those with boost who claim to have been capped by 10 to 1.
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said by WoodyLI :

can you use some of your contacts at cablevision to hook me up with a 30/5 boost account? I'll consider your word that I won't get capped as having come from Cablevision directly. ;-)

I don't have any contacts at CV other then if I IMed the folks that post in the OOL Direct forum or post on the Yahoo forum. You could do the same.

And Efrem, modify your posting style a little more as it's starting to become obvious, minus the bolding (at least so far), that it is you using yet ANOTHER account.
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I post in the FIOS forums (Internet and TV) offering help and suggestions. I post in the web development forums posting help and suggestions. In fact, if I do a search on GeekNJ sitewide ( »/nsearch?q=geeknj ) you can see where I participate. This is one forum. Not that I need to prove anything, but like your Boost capping accusation, it deserves a response to show the full picture.

As for you possibly being switched back to 15/2, it has happened a few times. In fact, forget Boost going from 30/5 to 15/2, there were lots of folks that had 15/2 and something went haywire and their MAC address was actually determined to not be on their system and they were placed into the walled garden or prior to the walled garden when CV allowed for 9 days usage for any modem, after 9 days they were just completely blocked. Mistakes happen. You are assuming is was deliberate. I'm not assuming anything. If you had run DocsDiag when you were capped, we could have seen if it said 30mb/150kb or 15mb/150kb. If it was the latter, you weren't on a Boost config.

I don't test my own lines every day. In fact I only test it when I run one to show someone else results when they ask. You can see my actual test history here - »/testhistory
There were 2 tests run 2 days ago when someone in a help forum reported one of the test servers wasn't functioning for them. Prior to that was on 2/8 when user batterup was posting about compression being reported on OOL as another form of capping which again was BS because I get the message on FIOS.

I think there's a group of folks here that are looking for accurate information to be represented. There isn't one person in your "group of six" that won't agree that CV has issues just as any company does. In fact, I probably know the actual companies most or possibly all the folks you are accusing of working for CV and none do. Heck, I'll scan and post a recent CV bill and you'll see that I live in NJ and paid a lot each month to CV. Now, I pay a lot to Verizon. In fact I pay a lot(!) more to Verizon each month then I ever paid to CV when I factor in my "four play" of services.

What many of us here would like to see is accurate information for others that come here to use to make decisions. Saying using Boost 30/5 will get you capped without credible proof is just not accurate. Like I posted, it would be like me saying I uploaded for 1 hr on my FIOS connection and got capped. Because I said it makes it true or would people (especially the CV haters here that think FIOS is the 2nd coming) challenge me.

I can tell you and anyone else, that without a doubt, FIOS caps. They do it when watching HD Video On Demand. When watching HD Video on Demand on FIOS TV my 20/5 connection (20/4.5 normally) will drop to 13.5/4.5. You can read all about it in the thread at »More HD On Demand Testing . That's a 33% cap on my Internet when watching HD VOD TV.

You are really getting off on a huge tangent now attacking Sony. I was in IT, not marketing. Are you now accusing me of being a shill for Sony? Can I add "shill" to your labels you've called others in your 24 hours of posting? Why not post the company you work for and we can all search the Internet and find out how perfect they are. You do have a job, right? Using the assumptions you have made about me and the others here, the company you work for must be a competitor to CV since all you have done is post negative comments about them. Your logic flipped 180 degrees - all negative comments must be because you work for a competitor.
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Like I said, the capping is my only significant complaint with OOL and unfortunately it happens to be a deal breaker. If I could get set up like this I would stop counting the days until FIOS comes to town and stick with OOL indefinitely.

Also, if I cancel my OOL and then reorder it with a new modem and maybe even put it in my wife's or business name, will my three strike capping limit get reset? Don't laugh, this is a serious and legitimate question.

I can't believe I spent the majority of my day discussing this stuff, and I'm not even getting paid for my time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17853381 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:29:36 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17853337 WoodyLI : It is hard to believe that large sections of Long Island don't have DSL service but it's true. I'm guessing Verizon has no intention of investing anything on DSL expansion at this point since they are rolling FIOS out. I attempted to switch to Verizon DSL last year when OOL capped me the first time but after a very bad experience from Verizon (They waited until I signed the contract to inform me that DSL wasn't actually available in my area) I canceled after a couple weeks.

Cablevision was very helpful in setting me back up and porting my number over to OV while waiving all connection and porting charges and then throwing in a six month discounted subscription for a returning customer. If it wasn't for this capping after only modest uploads I would have no significant complaints about OOL.

edit: I had not yet read the preceding post from GeekNJ when I wrote this part.

OK, GeekNJ, assuming OOL was charging me for 30/5 Boost but only providing me with 15/2 service, which I have now after canceling boost, what difference does it make? They are charging me for Boost service without providing it and then capping me when I upload. The bottom line is I was a boost customer and they capped me. I didn't spend a great deal of time testing the connection during the cap primarily because I was out of town when it happened and only noticed it while using my laptop to log into my home computer from a remote location. In fact I ran the speed tests remotely. Having seen a cap before I knew what it was and simply initiated the process so by the time I got home and reset my modem the cap was removed. I did get the call from "security" on my mobile phone and they did confirm the cap had been in place on my boost account.

My argument is that ordering boost will not guarantee you won't get capped because they might just drop you to 15/2 without you noticing. While I have no doubt you test your own lines every day I and most others don't so we aren't continuously monitoring our connection. Again, I don't know if this is the case with me but I'm offering GeekNJ the benefit of the doubt.

So why is it that every time anyone in these forums posts any experience with OOL that may be even slightly negative you are the first one there to challenge them? It always seems to be the same five or six members all arguing the same thing in every thread. It's not hard to see a pattern here. Honestly I don't disrespect you for it. In fact I think I would be disappointed if you weren't working for Cablevision since that would be just sad.

Interesting you say you worked for Sony because Sony has taken a huge public relations hit for aggressive guerrilla marketing tactics lately. I think consumers are smarter these days and guerrilla marketing is more likely to backfire for large corporations.

In case others are wondering what guerrilla marketing is. Sony has been caught with professional marketers pretending to be PlayStation 3 enthusiasts creating fake fan sites and trolling public forums attempting to mimic hip young gamers in an effort to promote their product.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17853337 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:18:55 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17853248 GeekNJ : I'm baffled at how some folks who are screwed by a company that offers them no service what so ever, are somehow upset at the company that has provided them service for years. For me, it would be the exact opposite. I'd be pissed at Verizon--
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Hard to believe that it is 2007 and Verizon has no broadband option to offer you.
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said by WoodyLI :

And GeekNJ, why would OOL tell me I'm capped if I wasn't and why would my speed drop to capped levels and then go back to normal after the phone call and being told the cap had been lifted?

Because you had it for 2 days and maybe, like some others, your profile was reset to 15/2 and not 30/5. 15/2 service gets capped, so if you got reset to 15/2 you'd then be likely to get capped doing what you described.

said by WoodyLI :

I don't know why I'm having this conversation with you. I looked up a lot of your posting history and it seems your cablevision fanboyishness is prevelent throughout your posts and many others have assumed you somehow represent their interests in these forums. In fact your presence in these forums appears to be a full time job for you. In my experience when there's smoke there's fire so give it up and come back here with one of your other login accounts to try and support yourself and your company some more.

Sounds like you can't argue the facts so you'll try and attack me. So far you've called me and others here trolls or fanboys. What next? Like I said, if I was a CV fanboy as you call me or an employee, why would I drop all CV services I had for FIOS? Doesn't make any sense.

Some folks here know that I worked at Sony for 17.5 years where I needed to switch jobs after they moved their US headquarters to San Diego and I declined relo. In fact, you could read my personal blog and it will say where I worked. Since June 2005 I've worked at a publishing company in NYC as Director of Application Development for their dotcom division. I've never worked for CV or any cable/phone/satellite company.
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Tweaked your connection? | Mail Parse | Speed Converter]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17853193 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:43:20 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17853161 WoodyLI : It's possible it was just bad timing but unfortunately I live in a location where DSL isn't even an option let alone FIOS.

I did cancel Optimum TV and am about to cancel Optimum Voice as soon as my number port goes through. It will be some time waiting for FIOS rollout before I can vote with my wallet and dump OOL completely. It's not that I want to dump cablevision since other than the capping the service has been very good. It's that I may have no choice. If when FIOS rolls in and cablevision fixes their bandwidth demand issues and drops the capping policy I may just decide to keep it but with the way things are looking I doubt that will happen.

And GeekNJ, why would OOL tell me I'm capped if I wasn't and why would my speed drop to capped levels and then go back to normal after the phone call and being told the cap had been lifted? I don't know why I'm having this conversation with you. I looked up a lot of your posting history and it seems your cablevision fanboyishness is prevelent throughout your posts and many others have assumed you somehow represent their interests in these forums. In fact your presence in these forums appears to be a full time job for you. In my experience when there's smoke there's fire so give it up and come back here with one of your other login accounts to try and support yourself and your company some more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17853161 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:33:58 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17853125 GeekNJ :

said by WoodyLI :

I came to these forums today to check for information on the Verizon FIOS rollout and simply got caught up in the discussions. The cap happened almost two weeks ago now.

Where are you located? A good portion of LI has FIOS. You didn't post in the FIOS forum today though asking about your area.

said by WoodyLI :

I would like you to show me threads that have been posted by people falsely claiming to be capped and that you uncovered as a fraud. I just don't see why anyone would bother doing that or how you would ever know if they were lying. If someone is willing to lie about being capped it would be easy enough to falsify diagnostic readouts too so there is no way you can prove it.

No one said it was fraud. They were just incorrect. Why do you say fraud?

There were folks that had issues with their own equipment. There were folks that were reset back to non-Boost. It was all easily seen by having them run DocsDiag and post their results here. We could see their modem caps to determine what they were set to. Some are in this thread and some were in their own threads.

Here are some links:
»[OOL] I thought my boost service was being capped at night
»Is this a cap? and the posts from pip611.
The last 3 or 4 pages of this thread (Feb 8-10th range)have multiple people posted they were capped on Boost 30/5 and it wasn't the case.

Here's a post from a respected member who reports uploading
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CV certainly could be capping boost, and as someone else hypothesized a cap for boost might come in the form of a capped non-boost config file being sent to the modem. In that case, a simple call to CV seems to resolve the problem (no "security" department needed).

Whatever. My advice is cancel the service. By continuing to send CV money every month you are telling them that their service - caps and all - is the best damned value in broadband for you.
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said by WoodyLI :

No sillier than you calling me a liar.

I didn't call you a liar at all. You stated multiple times that I or others are calling you a liar. A liar is someone that knowingly tells wrong information. I'm sure you believe what you are posting, unless you are purposely doing it maliciously (as others here have done). If you're not doing it maliciously, then I don't think you are a liar, just incorrect as the folks before you that posted the same thing and were shown it wasn't the case.

What you posted is the equivalent of me saying that I was capped on Verizon FIOS. I guess you'd just believe me because I posted it?

And I'm not derailing this thread since this entire thread was well derailed before you decided to post today. A CV troll would have FIOS Internet and FIOS TV and FIOS POTS? I don't think so.

I bet you're just dying to post some things in bold aren't you? :huh:
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said by GeekNJ :

To my knowledge no CV folks post here. They post in the Direct forum. Just because folks don't agree with you doesn't make them work for CV - that's a pretty silly assumption on your part.

No sillier than you calling me a liar. Typically if someone calls another person a liar in a situation that can't be proven either way it's because they have something to hide.

And when did I ask you to agree with me? I didn't post a subjective opinion, I posted a factual experience. This has nothing to do with people agreeing with me or not it has to do with accusing me of falsifying facts when I've presented no reason to do so.

You talk like a politician attempting to mince words. This is why I'm suspicious of your intentions. You've spent a great deal of effort changing the topic and attempting to derail this thread while trying to discredit me which is exactly what a cablevision troll would try to do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17852988 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:59:57 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17852979 WoodyLI : Why don't you tell me how to prove it? I can't run a diagnostic since they already uncapped me.

I didn't come here for my benefit. The only reason I came here to report this in the first place is because you suggested it when I brought it up in a different forum in a different context. I think that's evidence enough that I'm not out on some kind of personal crusade to spread misinformation.

I came to these forums today to check for information on the Verizon FIOS rollout and simply got caught up in the discussions. The cap happened almost two weeks ago now.

I would like you to show me threads that have been posted by people falsely claiming to be capped and that you uncovered as a fraud. I just don't see why anyone would bother doing that or how you would ever know if they were lying. If someone is willing to lie about being capped it would be easy enough to falsify diagnostic readouts too so there is no way you can prove it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17852979 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:57:17 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17852932 GeekNJ : To my knowledge no CV folks post here. They post in the Direct forum. Just because folks don't agree with you doesn't make them work for CV - that's a pretty silly assumption on your part. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17852932 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:49:47 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17852916 GeekNJ : No flames. Just looking for proof that you were on Boost with a cap. Not too hard to understand.

And no one (other then a couple CV haters) would believe you because for everyone that posted they were capped on Boost 30/5, every time it was shown not to be the case.

So you take it as "heated flames" and I take it as scepticism.
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said by LiberalKing :

what you are saying is what most people call "hearsay".

"Hearsay" would be if I reported that someone else told me they had been capped. What I reported would be called a direct testimony by a witness. It appears you're making an analogy to civil law but if this were a legal case against Cablevision in a court of law, my statement would be considered strong evidence and your remarks would be dismissed.

Funny thing is I don't have a personal grudge against Cablevision and don't intend to allow myself to be capped again but I'm becoming more convinced that the company is deliberately trying to mislead people and using these forums as part of that campaign.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17852896 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:44:49 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17852852 WoodyLI : I post in a lot of technical forums and have seen my share of trolls. I came by here to report being capped. My guess is this forum is policed by either cablevision or fanboys who spend all their time trying to discredit anyone who makes a negative report or any report about being capped.

There is no other reason such a subject would produce such heated flames against anyone who follows up with a report of being capped which is exactly what this thread is for. Probably the reason the reports of capping have gone down is because no one wants to put up with the abuse they get for reporting.

I check these forums occasionally and occasionally post including a post describing the first time I was capped and was met with equal hostility and accusations of lying. It makes no sense to falsely report a bad customer experience, it's much more common that people lie to support a company rather than attempt to discredit it and that's clearly going on here. I also browse the forums and try to offer useful advice to anyone who may have a question I may know something about. This is what this type of discussion is for.

When someone posts a problem or a question I don't ask them to prove who they are or that they genuinely have a question. I offer them the benefit of the doubt and try to offer assistance. If they're trolling that's their problem and not mine to worry about.

If you expect me to provide proof of my user experience I should expect proof that you are not a cablevision stooge.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17852852 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:36:02 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17852685 MxxCon :

said by WoodyLI :

Whatever! To anyone who actually cares....yes, there are reports of boost users who have been capped. I just reported it here.

without proof such as output of docsdiag, your "report" is useless. for all i know you just have a grudge against CV and outright lieing to us.
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said by WoodyLI :

Whatever! To anyone who actually cares....yes, there are reports of boost users who have been capped. I just reported it here.

i have boost and i do my share of torrenting. what you are saying is what most people call "hearsay".

if boost is throttlable (i just made it up) i would had known by now.
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It sounds like there are no reports of it being capped yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851984 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:16:46 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851870 GeekNJ : I could care less if they capped or not. But until there is actual proof, there's no reason to create hysteria that there is any capping.

I have no financial interest in Boost or any CV service. At this time I don't have any CV services though all are available to me. If I had any financial interest, do you think I'd be giving $400+ to Verizon every month, like I am now?

Your posts are starting to sound rather familiar though :uhh:
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I can't think of any reason why you would follow this course with such conviction unless you had some personal motivation to sell boost.

Maybe you could enlighten us.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851836 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:47:26 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851791 LiberalKing : i spoke to a tech via the ool instant messenger thingy. back when boost was 30/2.

he told me boost was capable. however since boost was 30/5, i havent tried asking.

go to ool online customer support and ask there and post the convo.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851791 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:38:14 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851752 BonzoHansen : Agreed. But the one who supposedly was a supervisor told me they would cap a Boost user. He at least was honest enough to tell me the company decided not to notify users, not that they couldn't. Note I said rep #1 explicitly lied.

I was told they would. That is all I'm, saying.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851752 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:29:17 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851739 GeekNJ :

said by BonzoHansen :

3 people, 3 answers. All unacceptable.

Now, why I posted this now: I asked if I bought up to Boost, would I avoid all this? I was told that even if I had Boost service, they would still likely cap my u/l.

Now, he could have lied.

Ok, so you got 3 different answers from 3 different people. I'm guessing you don't believe any of them. Then why would you believe they'd cap you if you were on Boost? The same person that you said "lied" you believe when they tell you something else? Come on, you have to be smarter then that.

But you were capped on regular OOL, not Boost.
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That is the most ridiculous reply I've ever heard. You base your whole assumption that no one gets capped using boost because they didn't prove it? Nothing posted in here is proven.

I know I got capped, OOL knows I got capped. Do you expect me to bring you to my house to test my line yourself so you are satisfied? If most people are able to run P2P apps for days on end without getting capped more power to them. I'm glad. Maybe the trend is slowing down but not in my neck of the woods. If you could somehow convince me that OOL capped me by mistake not realizing that I was an elite boost user and wouldn't cap me again I would be ecstatic but I have serious doubts. I asked them very specifically when I signed up and they said the only way they guarantee bandwidth is if you buy a full Lightpath package that costs more money than a new luxury car and that Boost users are still bound by the same "terms of service." I'm sure as hell not going to risk getting capped again for your benefit.

You also think that OOL only sells boost to computer enthusiasts and power users? You think that the average Joe computer user even knows what bandwidth means? Most people don't even know how to set their LCD monitor to the native resolution let alone test their Internet bandwidth. The average OOL customer buys boost because some sales rep tells him "twice as fast and more...." even though he has no idea what that means. My brother in law thinks he's an expert on high definition TVs but doesn't know the difference between 480p and 1080i. People think they know a lot more than they do and Cablevision, like any other company is quick to exploit that to make sales.

These forums and this website should serve as a consumer advocate and watchdog for consumers, not a place for fanboyish loyalty to a company that only serves it's profits. Healthy competition and open discussion is the only way to guarantee quality service from service providers. If you don't believe that you may as well go live in Communist North Korea.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851737 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:26:14 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851735 BonzoHansen : I agree. I am very lucky. I hope more competition comes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851735 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:25:15 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851729 jefe : You're lucky you had an option. Not all of us do. Competition is a wonderful thing.

But there still hasn't been a verifiable case of anyone with Boost being capped.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851729 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:24:24 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851712 BonzoHansen : I got capped by OOL because I like to torrent live music, and apparently they do not want you using the bandwidth they advertise. Here are the last 3 readings before I switched to FIOS.

OOL:



Gee, think was capped?

I got into a pretty heated discussion with a number of people at OOL the 1st time I figured I was capped (thanks to this site). It took me 3 levels of call center people to get some answers. The 1st idiot I talked to actually told me he had no supervisor I could talk to. I them asked him if his name was Dolan. He said no, who’s that? Um, your CEO. I said he must then have some sort of supervisor.

Here is what OOL rep #3, supposedly a manager, told me. They monitor node performance for acceptable performance level. When they find a poor performing node, they cap whoever is heavy uploading until service level is restored. He told me they go by the order of who has been uploading longest. So I said if I am torrenting, and throttle back to 1 kb/s for a week I would get capped before a guy u/l 300 kb/s who started 10 minutes ago. He told me yes. He also told me if at the time of the service issue, if you happened to be uploading, say a file for work, pics to photobucket, an email w/ a big attachment, whatever, you could get capped. Of course, all this was a violation of my TOS – a document that gives new meaning to the word vague.

I asked why they don’t notify users they cap. They certainly know who they are capping. The first guy told me they had no way to tell who they were capping. Umm, sure. Supervisor please? The 2nd guy told me they could not link accountholder email addresses and the account being capped – different systems. Umm, at my job, the product I support has no less than 8 different systems on different platforms that can ‘talk’ to each other in one form or another. Next. The 3rd guy told me the company made a decision not to contact customers, since they are violators of the TOS. All that on the same call. 3 people, 3 answers. All unacceptable.

Now, why I posted this now: I asked if I bought up to Boost, would I avoid all this? I was told that even if I had Boost service, they would still likely cap my u/l.

Now, he could have lied. They all lied to me at one point or another. But I sure wasn’t going to pony up more $$ for cut-rate service.

Screw OOL. My FIOS is FTW!!!!!!!!!!! I can’t wait for TV to get here too.

My FIOS:
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851712 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:19:31 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851645 GeekNJ : Unfortunately, other then you saying you were capped, there's no proof. Are you liar - no I wouldn't say that at all. Unfortunately, without proof, it's just another report of someone being capped and all previous reports turned out where they were indeed not capped on Boost.

I would imagine anyone will to get Boost would be absolutely aware if they were capped. No, I don't think there's any Boost users that wouldn't notice it. Boost users aren't "most people" as you describe them.

So get it again and see what happens. I'd bet they'd give it to you for a month without charging and try to get capped. There have been many here that just got Boost to try and get capped and they didn't.
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But yes, it was definitely a cap and I definately had boost at the time. Please don't accuse me of intentionally lying.

First one to "report" being capped is the key here. I'm sure it happens to lots of boost users who can't tell. Most people just don't understand any of this stuff anyway so they never call in to complain.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851548 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:41:45 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851499 Irish Shark : You are the first one to report this. However you don't have any proof.

I could have posted the same thing.
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said by WoodyLI :

Is it true I'm the first user to report a cap on Boost?

You are not the first one to REPORT being capped.

Now, how do you know you were capped? There have been a bunch of people who reported being capped yet none were. Some had issues on their end and a couple actually had their config's reset to the regular tier and not the Boost tier.

How did you know you were capped? Do you have DocsDiag output from when you think you were capped?
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Is it true I'm the first user to report a cap on Boost?

Of course I immediately called to cancel Boost since it's hardly worth paying for. Last time I was capped I upgraded to boost based on recommendations from users in these forums. I think those recommendations are unfounded. you have to have a pretty high end router or NIC to get the advertised speeds of Boost anyway and even if you do it's not going to increase the speed of your online experience since you are always limited by the other end. Whenever I tried downloading and uploading to the remote web hosting server included in the Boost package I was looking at speeds of about 50-70kbps in both directions and this was before the cap. Uploading to another FTP site I have access to provided speeds closer to about 300kbps using the same computer and the same client software.

Probably users who are in an area where Verizon offers competition are less likely to get capped. The sooner Verizon spreads FIOS across Cablevision's area of coverage to provide real competition the better it will be for us consumers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17851412 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:08:22 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17835518 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

No, this is the longest thread in history because you keep posting about nonsense that has nothing to do with CV being sneaky. CV was sneaky in the first thread. All the rest is nonsense.

It is not nonsense, it is an age old battle.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17835518 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:41:34 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17827582 GeekNJ : No, this is the longest thread in history because you keep posting about nonsense that has nothing to do with CV being sneaky. CV was sneaky in the first thread. All the rest is nonsense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17827582 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:55:51 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17827288 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

And why did YOU ass/u/me it was CV doing something negative?

Why? Because it's all you ever ass/u/me though over and over again you've been proved that isn't the case.

This is the longest thread in the history of the world; all about Cablevision being sneaky.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17827288 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:06:35 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17824638 jaa : ...especially after you admit tasting Dolan's fruit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17824638 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:51:27 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17823128 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

Ok so the test is *F* up. I can buy that. Why didn't people say so at the beginning instead if doing the usual?

The usual suspects ass/u/me it is just an *F* up programmer, I ass/u/me it may be something else.

And why did YOU ass/u/me it was CV doing something negative?

Why? Because it's all you ever ass/u/me though over and over again you've been proved that isn't the case.

You are the proverbial "boy that cried wolf" and no one believes you any more. You have no objectivity.
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said by StreetSpirit :



Batterup, you know I hate the cap. But in this case, trust me when I say this.. You're wrong bro.

Ok so the test is *F* up. I can buy that. Why didn't people say so at the beginning instead if doing the usual?

Now why is the test *F* up? Oh no one knows so it could be hiding something. The usual suspects ass/u/me it is just an *F* up programmer, I ass/u/me it may be something else.

You will know them by there fruits, I have tasted Cablevision's fruit and it has left a bad taste in my mouth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17822977 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:33:43 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17819919 StreetSpirit : I saw the posts.. There wasn't anything in them of substance. I do think it's less harmful to the overall debate to leave the flame-posts in there... At least it will invalidate the "help we're being censored" argument.

Batterup, you know I hate the cap. But in this case, trust me when I say this.. You're wrong bro. Boost is as unlimited as any service I've ever used.. Again, people have transfer amounts in the TB, consisting mostly of UPLOADS and they're still here, uncapped, plugging away. :)

Of course such wasteful usage will eventually force OOL to cap the service or otherwise restrict it somehow... But as of right now, that has not happened... Whether it happens is a big question mark, as DOCSIS is moving towards symmetry in up/down interface specifications, where both can use bonded channels. There are solutions out there TODAY which do DOCSIS-3 compatible channel bonding, but of course OOL has partnered with NARAD for the time being. NARAD is also using channel bonding technology.

Eventually the industry will be far more symetric in "physical capabilities". It will no longer be possible for a handful of users to saturate a node with uploads. BOOST I believe already does some traffic shaping (as I do see sometimes my upstream fall off a bit, usually in the prime time evening hours, but downstream is unaffected.)

This technology has a rich future. That is not to say I don't wish Verizon was here with FIOS, but we are very lucky in the NY Tri-State area.

Many people would kill for 1/5th of the speeds we get. We aren't exactly paying exhorbitant prices either. Cablevision can rehabilitate itself in the eyes of it's users, and an uncapped BOOST is a good first step.

If you were here, recall back to summer-2000- I spent a few nights checking out the good ol' days with AHBAC and the anti-Verizonites with the help of waybackmachine. People loathed Verizon; The ADSL product back then simply didn't work quite well, and the PPPoE client, Winpoet was a disaster. USB drivers on one of their modems destroyed people's operating systems by eating the registry. However within a year or two, Verizon had rehabilitated itself in the eyes of it's users by steadying and improving on it's ADSL packages.

They started at 608/96 (640/90 Infospeed), and eventually upgraded most folks on that tier to 1500/384 [1792/448 sync]. Cablevision seems to be heading down the same road technologically. As DOCSIS matures, the need for draconian measures like outright capping will simply not exist. IMO traffic shaping can do a better job on a channel-bonded network with less end user trauma.

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said by batterup :

Notice the censored posts.

said by LiberalKing :

now mods deleted posts of speed test showing capped speeds???

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!! :mad:

I saw all 4 posts. There was nothing censored related to proof. The posts were by you (don't have OOL, me, don't have OOL and LiberalKing who's post was about me, not capping).

Just more FUD - no conspiracy. You 2 are incredible. You should have your own forum to rant in.
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Tweaked your connection? | Mail Parse | Speed Converter]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17816641 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:51:16 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17816550 jaa : Don't listen to buttercup.

There is no conspiracy here; dslr has no interested in censoring capping posts.

Here is a suggestion: Instead of whining, why not take some action? I suggest you and buttercup boycott dslr and refuse to post ever again.
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THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!! :mad:
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17816410 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:36:35 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17816393 batterup :

said by StreetSpirit :

If you don't show proof, forget about being taken seriously.

Notice the censored posts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17816393 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:20:40 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17814305 StreetSpirit :

said by batterup :

said by majortom1029 :

Batterup you do realise that your VERIZON also uses compression on their fios tv too right? Maybe not as much but it is still there. So stop saying only cable companies do it.

We are not talking about compressing TV we are talking about compressing internet data.
»Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7

Broadband modems do not compress.

Compression on the modem is something seen solely in the dialup arena and sometimes in the Satellite arena, chiefly HNS.

In-fact Hughes engineered the compression standard which superseded the ubiquitous V42bis and MNP level 5 compression. I've been a sysop of a multinode dial-up system and generally a modem afficianado since the early 80's. At the peak of activity (~1992-1994), I had 64 telephone lines coming into the house for use with MajorBBS and multi-serial port cards to which attached a bank of modems.

A perfect example is the webpage we're both reading right now. justin uses the Apache::Compress module to compress the webpage before transmitting it to us. On the user's side, the browser is responsible for decompressing and rendering the page.

There are some other modules, the common ones being Apache::Compress, Apache::Dynagzip and Apache::Gzip (or mod_gzip). This only works because our modems do not compress. Otherwise, what would be the sense of compressing the data twice - you can't further compress something that's already compressed. :)

Some satellite system use compression. In-fact, Hughes (HNS) designed v44 compression when they deployed VSAT. I remember around the turn of the century,

said by Egineering Times :

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Broadcom Corp. has announced what it claims is the first advanced digital cable STB chip that includes support for DOCSIS/EuroDOCSIS 2.0 cable modem specifications, as well as downstream channel bonding compatible with the upcoming DOCSIS 3.0 specification. Broadcom's BCM7118 single-chip silicon solution supports the latest video compression technologies, including AVC, which is the ITU and ISO joint standard, MPEG-4, part 10) and VC-1 (the SMPTE standard), and combines the features of channel bonding with powerful security enabling multiple system operators (MSOs) to provide new Internet-based IP and more secure video services to consumers.

The new cable STB chip enables MSOs to use DOCSIS 2.0 for high-speed, two-way set-top communications, including IP video services. To support high-speed cable STB communications, the chip includes downstream channel bonding, which combines several DOCSIS channels together to significantly increase data rates when compared to cable modem solutions.

The BCM7118 incorporates downstream channel bonding, enabling cable STBs to support present and future MSO requirements, as defined by the industry developed Next Generation Network Architecture (NGNA) guidelines. By moving to a DOCSIS-based platform for voice, video and data, MSOs operating costs can be decreased while enabling their networks to support richer interactive services, switched or broadcasted IP video delivery, as well as other IP voice and data services....

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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17811183 StreetSpirit : If you don't show proof, forget about being taken seriously. Too many of us stress test the lines bigtime and they work as advertised in regards of upstream. I know people on IRC who have traffic in the .5-1TB mark, purely from running an IRC server 24/7. NO PROOF, NO BELIEF. I dislike CV's hiring, support and billing practices as much as the next guy, but there are no caps on BOOST. It's been demonstrated ad-nauseum.

Example, pipdawg posted all the stats and discovered he didn't have BOOST after all. That's a seperate case where a refund is due to the man, and an appology, but whatever the case may be, it was still rather irrelevent.

I'll get off my podium now. Congrats pipdawg , definitely call and get credit, and lots of it.

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Dave]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17811183 Sun, 11 Feb 2007 04:18:10 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17810395 jaa :

said by hallm409 :

BTW, I've seen a few posts on these forums stating that no one with Boost has been capped. I can absolutely 100% confirm that is not true.

Post your docsdiag -vvv output. Many people with boost 30/5 have thought they were capped, but weren't. Most boost capping claims are by anonymous and newly-joined members, whereas other capping posts are not.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17808078 jwersan :

said by GeekNJ :

Look, time and time again, someone comes in and says they are capped on Boost 30/5 and so far it's never been the case. Run docsdiag with -vvv and post the output here.

Fine, this MAY be a false alarm, his Dosdiag output will tell us, but what if he IS capped...

Here is another possibility, when OOL caps a Boost 30/5 person, do they just cap the upload, or do they reconfigure them to the 15/2 capped config?

I know we have no data on this, but what if that is how OOL does a cap on the Boost users, since they have that config available...

Hopefully this user will be able to provide proof one way or another with the output from Dosdiag...
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17806630 jwersan :

said by jaa :

First, they should upgrade you to boost. Then they should give you a refund for the 8 months you have been paying for boost, and don't have it.

He's right (I can't believe I am typing this!) :D
Call Cablevision and DEMAND a refund... :mad: :mad: :mad:
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17806411 pipdawg : This very strange bc I tried again this morning and my up stream is fine. It looks like they capped me for like 2 days or something. I attached the docsdiag output file I created yesterday and another for today. I also get 609000000 Hz now. Maybe they were upgrading the system or something.

System up time = 1 days 11h 24m 10.00s
Ethernet FCS errors.1 = 26
Ethernet carrier sense xmit errs.1 = 8182
Ethernet other recv errors.1 = 54
Downstream channel ID = 29
Downstream channel frequency = 609000000 Hz
Downstream received signal power = 4.6 dBmV
Upstream channel ID = 6
Upstream channel frequency = 28000000 Hz
SigQu: Signal to Noise Ratio = 37.4 dB
Cable modem status = Operational
Upstream transmit signal power = 43.8 dBmV
Date and Time = 2007-02-10,09:20:11.0
Configuration filename = 0011804b6510-bc=1-ver=docsis2.0-mfg=Moto-
sbv5120

Now look at speakeasy
Download Speed: 24772 kbps (3096.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 3755 kbps (469.4 KB/sec transfer rate

output-2-9.txt 95,597 bytes

output-2-10.txt 96,458 bytes

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17806411 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:25:58 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17806098 jaa :

said by pipdawg :

said by jwersan :

said by pipdawg :

Am I capped?
Also, here are my speakeasy speed test results:

Download Speed: 4212 kbps (526.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 127 kbps (15.9 KB/sec transfer rate)

You didn't give us enough of the output file to determine that you are capped, but the speakeasy test sure looks like you are...

Please rerun the Dosdiag and look for lines like this...

QoS max upstream bandwidth = 150000 bps
QoS max downstream bandwidth = 15000000 bps

The first line shows a capped situation..

Please report back..

I'll send the whole report when I get home. I've had boost for like 8 months now with no problems. I had my survice suspended for a week last year so what will they do now?

First, they should upgrade you to boost. Then they should give you a refund for the 8 months you have been paying for boost, and don't have it.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17802577 Irish Shark :

said by LiberalKing :

great now people dont know if they have boost or not? sad :(

Boost will show 609MHz. 609000000 Hz.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17802033 pipdawg :

said by jwersan :

said by pipdawg :

Am I capped?
Also, here are my speakeasy speed test results:

Download Speed: 4212 kbps (526.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 127 kbps (15.9 KB/sec transfer rate)

You didn't give us enough of the output file to determine that you are capped, but the speakeasy test sure looks like you are...

Please rerun the Dosdiag and look for lines like this...

QoS max upstream bandwidth = 150000 bps
QoS max downstream bandwidth = 15000000 bps

The first line shows a capped situation..

Please report back..

I'll send the whole report when I get home. I've had boost for like 8 months now with no problems. I had my survice suspended for a week last year so what will they do now?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17802033 Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:56:41 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17801845 jwersan :

said by pipdawg :

Am I capped?
Also, here are my speakeasy speed test results:

Download Speed: 4212 kbps (526.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 127 kbps (15.9 KB/sec transfer rate)

You didn't give us enough of the output file to determine that you are capped, but the speakeasy test sure looks like you are...

Please rerun the Dosdiag and look for lines like this...

QoS max upstream bandwidth = 150000 bps
QoS max downstream bandwidth = 15000000 bps

The first line shows a capped situation..

Please report back..
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17792838 batterup :

said by majortom1029 :

Batterup you do realise that your VERIZON also uses compression on their fios tv too right? Maybe not as much but it is still thier. So stop saying only cable companies do it.

We are not talking about compressing TV we are talking about compressing internet data.
»Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17792838 Wed, 07 Feb 2007 23:28:15 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17790736 jaa :

said by Amiri :

Yeah, I ran the Speakeasy. Why do you think I might be capped if nothing changed for the past year or so?

Are you sure nothing changed? Infected computer? Any other computers on your network? Do you have a wireless router?

Cablevision capped your upload because they determined that your upload usage was interfering with others on the network.

Once you are sure there is nothing wrong on your end that would be causing this interference, just call them to have the cap removed.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17790437 batterup :

said by Irish Shark :

It is obvious by your non-response that you don't have a clue as to what it is; what it does, and why the speed tests report this.

I asked a question and did not get an answer. I did RTFM and only found information on video compression. I can understand why a cable company uses video compression. We are talking about internet data not video.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17790437 Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:24:38 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17790407 batterup :

said by Amiri :

Yeah, I ran the Speakeasy. Why do you think I might be capped if nothing changed for the past year or so?

The only consensus that has come from this voluminous thread is that capping is node dependant. Cablevision over sold your node so they capped you to serve others.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17790407 Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:18:46 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17788634 GeekNJ :

said by Irish Shark :

said by batterup :

said by Irish Shark :

Please explain to all of us what "compression" on the speed tests is. Can you?

Could it be a scheme by unscrupulous ISPs to hide the fact they are capping a subscribers connection?

It is obvious by your non-response that you don't have a clue as to what it is; what it does, and why the speed tests report this.

I think you could have stopped your response at:

said by Irish Shark :

It is obvious by your non-response that you don't have a clue.

He doesn't care what it is as long as he can try and make it seem as if his financial competitor, CV, is doing something negative. As posted here and in other threads, he's just a troll who is providing no value to the community of existing customers or potential customers. His lack of knowledge coupled with his lies and deceitful posts should be proof enough to anyone that reads them that they are not worth the bits they take up.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17788588 Irish Shark :

said by batterup :

said by Irish Shark :

Please explain to all of us what "compression" on the speed tests is. Can you?

Could it be a scheme by unscrupulous ISPs to hide the fact they are capping a subscribers connection?

It is obvious by your non-response that you don't have a clue as to what it is; what it does, and why the speed tests report this.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17787243 jaa :

said by batterup :

said by Irish Shark :

Please explain to all of us what "compression" on the speed tests is. Can you?

Could it be a scheme by unscrupulous ISPs to hide the fact they are capping a subscribers connection?

Why would Verizon do that? Why do you think Verizon is unscrupulous?

Stupid moron. 'nuf said.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17787103 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

said by Irish Shark :

Please explain to all of us what "compression" on the speed tests is. Can you?

Could it be a scheme by unscrupulous ISPs to hide the fact they are capping a subscribers connection?

You, batterup, have been proven a liar over and over, despite what your posting tag tries to indicate.
Please remove your avatar as it is has become offensive - dishonoring a man such as George Washington.

Is it odd that "make things up" rhymes with batterup?
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17785429 batterup :

said by Irish Shark :

Please explain to all of us what "compression" on the speed tests is. Can you?

Could it be a scheme by unscrupulous ISPs to hide the fact they are capping a subscribers connection?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17785429 Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:03:11 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17785164 La Luna :

said by jaa :

said by batterup 4:30pm :

Does Cablevision's use of compression hide capping?

said by batterup 4:37pm :

Compression is used to hide capping.

What is the purpose of posing a question to yourself, and then lying to yourself when you answer it?

One might say such statements come from someone who needs to deal with reality - starting with being honest with themself.

I just say "stupid moron" and move on.

And we have a winner folks!! :D
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~~Well, I think you're crazy, I think you're crazy, I think you're crazy, just like me...~~

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17785164 Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:22:04 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17784994 batterup :

said by grandpinaple :

I love this thread.

May it live longer then Cablevision.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17784994 Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:56:37 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17783418 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

Compression is used to hide capping.

I guess my fractional-T3 is capped. CV must have called Ameritech. batterup again showing disregard for the truth and undying allegiance to Verizon where he has at least a financial interest as well as possibly an employment interest.

[att=1]
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17783418 Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:59:17 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17783365 Irish Shark :

said by batterup :

Does Cablevision's use of compression hide capping?
»Is this a cap?

Please explain to all of us what "compression" on the speed tests is. Can you?
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17783355 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

Does Cablevision's use of compression hide capping?
»Is this a cap?

Nope. Did you read about compression or just looking for another angle?

Compression is used to hide capping.

Baseless response. Obviously you have no idea of what you're posting.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17783257 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

Does Cablevision's use of compression hide capping?
»Is this a cap?

Nope. Did you read about compression or just looking for another angle?

Compression is used to hide capping.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17783257 Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:37:08 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17783236 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

Does Cablevision's use of compression hide capping?
»Is this a cap?

Nope. Did you read about compression or just looking for another angle?
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17724557 GeekNJ :

said by jwersan :

Because people are still questioning "if" they are capped, hence the reason for this thread, and until OOL stops capping, this thread will still need to exist.

Then maybe the forum should only have 1 thread for signal issues, and only 1 thread for speed issues, and only 1 thread for mail issues that last less then 5 minutes and another thread for mail issues that last more then 5 minutes.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17723562 jaa :

said by jwersan :

If the only people posting here are, as you infer, are "conspiracy theorists, trolls and the tinfoil hat crowd", why do you bother to read it?

Probably the same reason as everyone else - amusement. Nobody who is capped bothers to post here anymore - they start their own threads, which seems to be a more effective way of getting their problem resolved. Of course, even though people create their own thread to ask about getting uncapped, their threads still get polluted with posts that have nothing to do with their question.

Here is the next most recent capping I could find - 6 weeks earlier. »[OOL] 2nd Capping
One capping post every 6 weeks does not, IMHO, warrant a sticky thread.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17723453 jwersan :

said by andvari :

said by jwersan :

Regardless, Batterup has a point about this NOT being sticky.

I think his point only makes sense to conspiracy theorists, trolls and the tinfoil hat crowd. When capping first started there were capping threads all over the place in this forum, drowning out all else. A sticky thread was obviously needed.

Now this thread is essentially dead and there are rarely new capping threads in the rest of the forum. So why does this thread need to be sticky? I don't see it. If it weren't for the history of capping this thread could easily be closed out.

Because people are still questioning "if" they are capped, hence the reason for this thread, and until OOL stops capping, this thread will still need to exist.

There are numerous folks out there that are still capped, people still have speed issues that they wonder if it could be because of a cap.

You don't like the topic, don't read it.

If the only people posting here are, as you infer, are "conspiracy theorists, trolls and the tinfoil hat crowd", why do you bother to read it?
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17723371 andvari :

said by jwersan :

Regardless, Batterup has a point about this NOT being sticky.

I think his point only makes sense to conspiracy theorists, trolls and the tinfoil hat crowd. When capping first started there were capping threads all over the place in this forum, drowning out all else. A sticky thread was obviously needed.

Now this thread is essentially dead and there are rarely new capping threads in the rest of the forum. So why does this thread need to be sticky? I don't see it. If it weren't for the history of capping this thread could easily be closed out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17723371 Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:46:55 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17722975 jwersan :

said by GeekNJ :

Am I wrong? Can you find another one or two? If not, then

said by batterup :

The capping problems are now spread out, less embarrassing to Cablevision that way.

is just blowing smoke.

Regardless, Batterup has a point about this NOT being sticky.
Even though the recent posts about suspected capping have turned out to not be the case, had this still been sticky, there is a very good chance those posts would have ended up here where they belong and not as a separate post...
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17721639 GeekNJ : Am I wrong? Can you find another one or two? If not, then

said by batterup :

The capping problems are now spread out, less embarrassing to Cablevision that way.

is just blowing smoke.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17721599 LiberalKing :

said by GeekNJ :

Find another one. All the recent ones where the title says "capped" they weren't. One whole person capped in a long time and it's an epidemic or conspiracy? Come on. Blow smoke some place else.

you constant urge to revoke everything said by batterup is what has me intrigued.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17721519 batterup :

said by jaa :

said by StudioTech :

And the pissing match continues. What was this thread about again?

This is the catch-all for stupid posts to keep them from polluting the rest of the forum.

Can't find the last post in here about someone that got capped. Seems they have died down to a couple a month.

The reason is because this thread is no longer sticky. The capping problems are now spread out, less embarrassing to Cablevision that way.
»Please help>my uplaod seems to be capped]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17721519 Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:30:33 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17704065 StreetSpirit :

said by tonyfer2 :

am happy whit what i get and there no capping i and i upload like hell on fire...........
Download Speed: 24866 kbps (3108.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 3649 kbps (456.1 KB/sec transfer rate)

Same here. Verizon isn't in any rush to service Brooklyn, so for now, the availability of a power-user level like BOOST is saving me from what would otherwise probably be weekly caps. Hence I don't mind paying the extra $10 bucks as long as this is true.

Regarding Port 80: It is no longer throttled at 128kilobits per second.

At one time, a MIB walk of a BOOST modem produced a QoS entry for PORT80, limiting it to 128kilobits per second.

This was before the 5mbit upgrade. After the upgrade, the entry is/was gone. Toggling port 80 from the BOOST interface produces no 'throttle' on port 80, port 25 or any other port for that matter.

As a test I ran IIS and had friends download a few large files. The uploads flew at nearly 550KB/s.

I've periodically retested this by running a little WWW sharing program and asking my sister to download some new photos of the kids, and they fly!

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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17703498 jaa :

said by StudioTech :

And the pissing match continues. What was this thread about again?

This is the catch-all for stupid posts to keep them from polluting the rest of the forum.

Can't find the last post in here about someone that got capped. Seems they have died down to a couple a month.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17703001 batterup :

said by StudioTech :

And the pissing match continues. What was this thread about again?

This thread is is about Cablevision secretly capping subscriber's connection. Cablevision's apologists keep hijacking it in lame attempts to obfuscate the issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17703001 Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:23:35 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17689837 La Luna :

said by StudioTech :

And the pissing match continues. What was this thread about again?

People not caring whether they affect other's service/violate the TOS and then complaining when something was done about it.

Years later, they still don't understand that it's a done deal.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17689837 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:45:51 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17688938 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

Or are you somehow trying to figure out some angle you can manipulate to attack CV?

How long before Boost is over sold and capping results or service tanks?

I see my guess was unfortunately accurate.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17687708 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

What don't you understand? You asked a question and it was answered. Do you not understand the answer? Or are you somehow trying to figure out some angle you can manipulate to attack CV?

Everyone on CV or other ISP including DSL and FIOS has a cap. With Boost, you can open 80 & 25. Your cap with Boost is 30/5. There's no lower cap on any specific port.

Being the self proclaimed expert on capping, it's rather odd that you don't already know the above and are playing dumb to how the technology works.

How long before Boost is over sold and capping results or service tanks? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17687708 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:09:55 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17687690 batterup :

said by jaa :

No, we are telling you the upload cap on port 80 is 5mbit.

If you are running a web server I ass/u/me it is 24/7/365. Is this another Cablevision bate n' switch?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17687690 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 06:59:58 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17687098 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

said by efrem :

Oh, I see. "No additional cap", just the usual one?

Yup, capped at 5mb. Same as I am on FIOS - capped at 5mb.

So you are telling me you can run your own web site and upload at 5mb? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17687098 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:55:36 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17685535 GeekNJ :

said by efrem :

Oh, I see. "No additional cap", just the usual one?

Yup, capped at 5mb. Same as I am on FIOS - capped at 5mb. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17685535 Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:05:35 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17685364 efrem :

said by GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

said by andvari :

Well, that is a significant factor for me. I like having the ability to run my own www and smtp.

What speed is port 80 capped at?

No additional cap. You know that - maybe it slipped your mind.

Oh, I see. "No additional cap", just the usual one? What slipped whose mind?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17685364 Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:36:11 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17684823 GeekNJ :

said by batterup :

said by andvari :

Well, that is a significant factor for me. I like having the ability to run my own www and smtp.

What speed is port 80 capped at?

No additional cap. You know that - maybe it slipped your mind.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17684774 batterup :

said by andvari :

Well, that is a significant factor for me. I like having the ability to run my own www and smtp.

What speed is port 80 capped at?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17684774 Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:54:30 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17684256 GeekNJ :

said by andvari :

Does FIOS offer the ability to host your own webserver/mailserver like Boost does?

No, same restrictions in the TOS. See a thread in the FIOS forum from today - »[northeast] FiOS Home ToS FTP Server
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17642020 batterup :

said by jaa :

said by batterup :

said by Anono1 :

Just to chime in - man, FIOS was recently approved in my area, so I check the prices. Of course, since the last time I checked, prices have increased $10! Now it's the same price that I currently pay for OOL with cable. Geez, so much for competition breeding better "competitive" prices...

Jim is that you?

What does 20/3 service available where you are cost? What service do you have, and what do you pay?

I have 15/2 (13.5/1.8 actual) service for $45/mo.

15/2 is not. This from my son's connection.


Don't forget the router penalty Cablevision builds into their connection.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17642020 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:34:28 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17641977 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

In many cases there's next to no cost difference. See posts in the FIOS forum too. Here's my comparison - »Re: [northeast] Fios TV & Internet Pricing Facts

If I was in a town that had Golf as part of the package I wouldn't pay the $5/mo for it and the difference between FIOS and CV would be less then $3/mo.

The difference varies for each person, and in some cases people are reporting higher costs with FIOS when they need to add STBs for when they didn't need to before.

So you can continue to be the Verizon shill that you are, but it doesn't change the facts.

I am not permitted to reply to your insults.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17641977 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:27:13 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17638560 jaa :

said by batterup :

said by Anono1 :

Just to chime in - man, FIOS was recently approved in my area, so I check the prices. Of course, since the last time I checked, prices have increased $10! Now it's the same price that I currently pay for OOL with cable. Geez, so much for competition breeding better "competitive" prices...

Jim is that you?

What does 20/3 service available where you are cost? What service do you have, and what do you pay?

I have 15/2 (13.5/1.8 actual) service for $45/mo.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17637884 BLUNTED 1 : then why can verizon bang out those uploads to most sites?

i know this isnt real but wtf happened

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17637884 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:55:32 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17634474 La Luna :

said by GeekNJ :

For non-NY folks, 30/5 is $179/mo

hmmmm.....Boost 30/5 ("28/4.2") for $45-$50 vs FIOS 30/5 ("30/4.2-4.5") for $179..... :o
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17634377 GeekNJ :

said by grandpinaple :

FIOS doesn't overprovision the upload only the download.

Correct. My 20/5 is 20/4.2-4.5]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17634377 Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:31:28 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17634371 GeekNJ :

said by jwersan :

said by Anono1 :

Just to chime in - man, FIOS was recently approved in my area, so I check the prices. Of course, since the last time I checked, prices have increased $10! Now it's the same price that I currently pay for OOL with cable. Geez, so much for competition breeding better "competitive" prices...

You're not looking at them closely enough. CV offers 30/5 (Boost) but only gives like 28/4.2
FIOS offers 30/5 and delivers 30/5, with lower overall pings, better deal IMHO..

For non-NY folks, 30/5 is $179/mo
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17575595 jaa :

said by batterup :

said by jaa :

Boost may work for you - so far nobody with the 30/5 boost has been capped.

How do you know nobody with Boost has been caped unless you have access to Cablevision's records. As has been speculated.

The same way you know nobody on FIOS had been capped.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17575195 batterup :

said by tonyfer2 :

batter you troll i upload a shit load on boost and i have not bing cap ....wish i did get cap b4 ihad boost so i really think thay are not caping boost and my speed are great....Download Speed: 25775 kbps (3221.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 3685 kbps (460.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Some would say the person's basement you live in trolls but I would never say that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17575195 Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:43:45 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17575187 batterup :

said by jaa :

Boost may work for you - so far nobody with the 30/5 boost has been capped.

How do you know nobody with Boost has been caped unless you have access to Cablevision's records. As has been speculated.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17575187 Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:41:53 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17574735 jwersan :

said by La Luna :

said by tmjam2002 :

Also who says boost hasn't been capped. A lot of Ool users have reported caps on boost. That too on 30/5.

What are you talking about? NO ONE has been capped on Boost, not one person. :uhh:

Boost 30/2 = Yes people WERE capped.
Boost 30/5 = No one has YET to be capped.

You have to clarify which Boost we are talking about.

IMHO if enough people on a node get Boost 30/5 and really use it, the caps WILL start.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17574397 La Luna :

said by tmjam2002 :

Also who says boost hasn't been capped. A lot of Ool users have reported caps on boost. That too on 30/5.

What are you talking about? NO ONE has been capped on Boost, not one person. :uhh:
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17535932 batterup :

said by GeekNJ :

No Boost subscriber with 30/5 has been capped.

As for "reporting" that they are capped, well of course they have and in every case it's been shown they aren't.

OK I'm signing. I am on the TOR network and want to show my bird feeder during the day and my weather station readings at night. FIOS is not planned for Netcong, thank you Jim for giving me the bandwidth I need.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17535932 Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:42:02 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17524423 jwersan :

said by steelaw :

stop scaring me saying boost users have been capped i just returned to cv because of no capping with boost.

To clarify, when Boost was 30/2, several people reported that they were in fact capped. Since OOL Boost was upped to 30/5, no one has yet to report being capped.

IMHO, nothing has changed, and we will hear of a Boost 30/5 user being capped, as the saying goes, "A leopard does not change its spots". What will most likely happen, again IMHO, is that with Boost 30/5 running on a different "channels" at this point it is like OOL was when few people had it, little load on each node, but as more people sign up, they will have contention issues just like before, and then OOL WILL start capping Boost..
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17522883 batterup :

said by La Luna :

No Boost subscriber has been capped, even with heavy usage.

You also mention that you run a server..... :uhh:

Boost subscribers have reported being capped.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17522883 Mon, 25 Dec 2006 21:02:11 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17521412 La Luna :

said by tmjam2002 :

I was capped after using OOL for 2 months. It's a long detail so read it here:

»Review of Optimum Online by tmjam2002

I would say that I canceled my boost because the Tech dept told me they Cap if the upload usage is overwhelmingly high.

Why are you bringing up a capping that happened two years ago?
No Boost subscriber has been capped, even with heavy usage.

You also mention that you run a server..... :uhh:
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17514278 jaa :

said by patcat88 :

So its safe for me to get OOL again and torrent and emule all day long? What about OOL traffic shaping?

Yes, 100% safe. Make sure the content is not copyright.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17513285 batterup :

said by StudioTech :



Edit: BTW, it's been over 4 years now since the first report of capping.

4 years of capping, capping and the Nicks perfect together.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17513285 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:25:32 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512739 StudioTech :

said by sandman9r :

I'm posting for no other reason than to see this thread on the first page for nostalgic purposes.

Boost rules. Capping gone. Lock the thread.

Naysayers, die already.

I knew someone wouldn't be able to control themselves and dig this thread up again. I believe it had 5 days to go before the thread would've gotten the 30 day warning before posting in it.

Edit: BTW, it's been over 4 years now since the first report of capping.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512739 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:11:53 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17356917 efrem :

said by La Luna :

said by batterup :

This used to be a sticky topic. Anyone have an idea why that status was dropped?

Because it's an old, boring, stupid and irrelevant "issue" with a simple answer as far as the majority of OOL users are concerned, which would be the ones who don't get capped and are, in fact, happy they started doing it as they are now getting what they pay for?

Actually, the correct answer to the question about why this thread is no longer sticky is: Because the moderator decided to change it to non-sticky. I suppose he's the only one who can really answer the question, but I haven't yet seen him do so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17356917 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:32:03 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17351077 La Luna :

said by batterup :

This used to be a sticky topic. Anyone have an idea why that status was dropped?

Because it's an old, boring, stupid and irrelevant "issue" with a simple answer as far as the majority of OOL users are concerned, which would be the ones who don't get capped and are, in fact, happy they started doing it as they are now getting what they pay for?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17351077 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:30:41 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17349555 Lex Luthor :

said by LiberalKing :

i heard CV contated dslr about that cuz the site was giving CV a bad image.

In the letter CV stated that eventhough capping was a company policy , it was unnecessary for DSLR to put the capping thread as a sticky in the company forum.

That's absolutely not true. CV even has "official" support through this site. I'd assume that they are very happy with what we do here for them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17349555 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:47:34 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17349385 GeekNJ :

said by LiberalKing :

said by batterup :
This used to be a sticky topic. Anyone have an idea why that status was dropped?

i heard CV contated dslr about that cuz the site was giving CV a bad image.

In the letter CV stated that eventhough capping was a company policy , it was unnecessary for DSLR to put the capping thread as a sticky in the company forum.

Time to increase the thickness of your tinfoil hat. Yes, I'm sure there's a conspiracy and CV contacted DSLR and Lex and told them to unsticky a topic.

I noticed there were many topics that were all unstickied throughout the site at the same time. I wonder if CV asked DSLR to unsticky non-CV threads in the NY forum too?

I heard from a friend's sister that posted on the Internet in her MySpace blog that martians landed on Long Island and they portrayed themselves as CV representatives and emailed DSLR asking that the sticky be unstickied. But that's what I heard which is obviously different then the rumour you posted.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17348702 LiberalKing :

said by batterup :

said by jwersan :

Looks like we may have another victim! :o

»[OOL] Being capped?

Just want to keep the forum honest! :D

This used to be a sticky topic. Anyone have an idea why that status was dropped?

i heard CV contated dslr about that cuz the site was giving CV a bad image.

In the letter CV stated that eventhough capping was a company policy , it was unnecessary for DSLR to put the capping thread as a sticky in the company forum.
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17348638 batterup :

said by jwersan :

Looks like we may have another victim! :o

»[OOL] Being capped?

Just want to keep the forum honest! :D

This used to be a sticky topic. Anyone have an idea why that status was dropped? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17348638 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 02:18:46 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17329070 Ken Peterson :

said by LiberalKing :

said by Ken Peterson :

I believe LiberalKing said he has boost and has been uploading fullbore with no capping?

WHY WOULD YOU POST SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

i lost my internet service today

Just contributing to the thread like everyone else. Glad to hear you're back online.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17329070 Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:40:22 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17328880 Chris123NT :

said by LiberalKing :

ok i woke up today morning with my internet working fine. this is weird. my speeds are boost desirable . i think i will still call to find out what happen yesterday . why would a note be left on my account to contact the security dept?

It might not even be related to bandwidth use. It could be something you have running wreaking havoc on the network or something.
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Its not about what you do, Its about HOW you do it :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17328880 Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:03:05 EDT

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17327253 LiberalKing :

said by Ken Peterson :

I believe LiberalKing said he has boost and has been uploading fullbore with no capping?

WHY WOULD YOU POST SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

i lost my internet service today( im using my neighbor wireless now) i realized when i woke up shortly after 7pm ..i called and they told me to call security department and since it was past 5pm i cant talk to them in non business hours . and since tomorrow they closed and maybe friday i am looking at a 4 day weekend with no internet connection. the rep only told me that a note was left on my account that i need to call security department to resolve the issue. what the heck is going on?

i have boost i download and upload every day (not 24/7) but why was my connectiong shut off today , my billing is perfect.
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