Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 in OptimumOnline http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15785160 en Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:49:23 EDT Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:49:23 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18420715 jwersan :
said by Irish Shark See Profile :

said by jwersan See Profile :

said by eBobdotcom See Profile :

And I've learned that I do not have the latest level of firmware for the router. So I've downloaded the latest but haven't loaded it yet.
You WON'T be able to upgrade the firmware yourself, CV is supposed to do that automatically, so if you don't have the latest, they didn't upgrade you...
He said router not MODEM. He can update the router's FW.
OOPS! My mistake.. :D
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said by jwersan See Profile :

said by eBobdotcom See Profile :

And I've learned that I do not have the latest level of firmware for the router. So I've downloaded the latest but haven't loaded it yet.
You WON'T be able to upgrade the firmware yourself, CV is supposed to do that automatically, so if you don't have the latest, they didn't upgrade you...
He said router not MODEM. He can update the router's FW.
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said by eBobdotcom See Profile :

And I've learned that I do not have the latest level of firmware for the router. So I've downloaded the latest but haven't loaded it yet.
You WON'T be able to upgrade the firmware yourself, CV is supposed to do that automatically, so if you don't have the latest, they didn't upgrade you...
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Tursiops_G asked about my OS. Windows XP.

Thanks again for the help.

Bob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18419751 Wed, 30 May 2007 13:06:48 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18417341 LostHost :
said by Tursiops_G See Profile :

The First problem that I see here is that your SB4100 Modem is no longer compliant with Optimum Online's 15/2 service (now standard)... Upgrading the Modem should improve your Download speeds, and *MAY* possibly help to solve your problem... You can exchange your modem for FREE at your local CV Walk-In center. :)

Your SMC Barricade 7004AWBR Router should be up to the task, as it supports 10/100Mb/s WAN and LAN ports, but checking for an Updated Firmware for it wouldn't hurt, either... ;)

What OS are you running?

(Edit): GeekNJ See Profile and TheWiseGuy See Profile beat me to it... ;)

-Tursiops_G.
or you can buy one off craigslist.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18417341 Tue, 29 May 2007 23:37:04 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18410122 Tursiops_G : The First problem that I see here is that your SB4100 Modem is no longer compliant with Optimum Online's 15/2 service (now standard)... Upgrading the Modem should improve your Download speeds, and *MAY* possibly help to solve your problem... You can exchange your modem for FREE at your local CV Walk-In center. :)

Your SMC Barricade 7004AWBR Router should be up to the task, as it supports 10/100Mb/s WAN and LAN ports, but checking for an Updated Firmware for it wouldn't hurt, either... ;)

What OS are you running?

(Edit): GeekNJ See Profile and TheWiseGuy See Profile beat me to it... ;)

-Tursiops_G.
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If you open Firefox download manager, there should be a retry link which should restart the download.
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It has been a while since I've seen that router in any post. I can't recall I'd it was limited to 10mb or not, but it is older and I would suggest trying without the router to see if the issue still occurs.
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I should add that I normally download more than one file at a time. But generally not more than 3 or 4. I guess I can't recall ever losing the connection while I was downloading only one file. I'll research a possible Barricade problem.

Thanks, Bob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18410006 Mon, 28 May 2007 17:40:29 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18409660 Tursiops_G : What is the Make and Model of your cable Modem and Router, and what specific OS are you running (Win2K, XP, Vista, etc.)?

-Tursiops_G.
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Is this a type of capping or do I have another problem? Note that I do no uploading.

Thanks, Bob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18409215 Mon, 28 May 2007 14:53:00 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18405651 GeekNJ :
said by Blockade See Profile :

Im a new ool customer. Are my speeds normal? I think my upload is capped?

Download Speed: 11835 kbps (1479.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 1642 kbps (205.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
They look normal. A capped upload is 150kb or less. you are at 1,642kb.
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Download Speed: 11835 kbps (1479.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 1642 kbps (205.3 KB/sec transfer rate)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18405537 Sun, 27 May 2007 19:36:20 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18399981 batterup :
said by BLUNTED 1 See Profile :

i dont mean to start an argument ............
Right.
said by BLUNTED 1 See Profile :

so you must be a 50
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said by BLUNTED 1 See Profile :

i dont mean to start an argument but how do you know? i dont think anyone knows what does it except the people who made it and the isp's who use it. :)
That is what has been surmised by those with a triple digit IQ that have followed this thread from the beginning. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18398069 Sat, 26 May 2007 04:01:49 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18396279 StreetSpirit : ... Take it out back and shoot it; put it out of it's misery. :) This thread is priceless! Like the subject of a George Romero movie, it just WILL NOT DIE!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18396279 Fri, 25 May 2007 18:57:51 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18396156 StudioTech : Seriously now, this thread is over a year old. It's larger than the invite thread in the Filesharing forum. What's the point anymore? Either do a Part 8 or put it out of its misery.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18396156 Fri, 25 May 2007 18:32:16 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18396009 jaa :
said by MLGTWISTED See Profile :

Are we talking caps for upload or for downing and uping?

I have consistently upped information on host playing a never ending game on my xbox 360, the bitrate was probably around 800kbps for around 5 hrs.

I get upload clips where my upload dies for a split second, don't think I've ever been capped though.
Just enjoy your xbox games and speeds, and ignore the rif raf.
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said by MLGTWISTED See Profile :

Are we talking caps for upload or for downing and uping?
........ I've ever been capped though.
The cap is secret and what triggers it is not the same for all. The capping bot appears to use an algorithm based on how over-sold the node is, the amount one uploads, the time one uploads and the number of connections one is uploading to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18395817 Fri, 25 May 2007 17:11:31 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18394170 MLGTWISTED : Are we talking caps for upload or for downing and uping?

I have consistently upped information on host playing a never ending game on my xbox 360, the bitrate was probably around 800kbps for around 5 hrs.

I get upload clips where my upload dies for a split second, don't think I've ever been capped though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18394170 Fri, 25 May 2007 11:44:15 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18388626 Stu Pidaso : Having a typo in the MAC address will not add extra charges to your account. If the is already a MAC on the account and you put in an incorrect MAC it will come back with an error. The only way to get charged extra is if you have them add the rate on to your account for the additional modem. It will not do it automaticaly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18388626 Thu, 24 May 2007 11:26:02 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18387123 mujahid7ia : Well, I don't have Boost, so I may try it if I get capped again sometime. Thanks for the warning though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18387123 Thu, 24 May 2007 01:14:59 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18386801 batterup : That is all verrrry interesting. When Jim and family take Cablevision private we will really have some fun.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18386801 Wed, 23 May 2007 23:49:47 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18386773 jaynyc : man don't goto that site it will indeed reset you to 15/2 and I have boost, had to talk to an online operator saying I never bought boost, and Ive had it for months, then he was acting all retarded and then reset my modem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18386773 Wed, 23 May 2007 23:43:00 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18385752 anon : dunno if it will still work, dont care.

i only used it one or twice but a lot of ppl on this forum know about it. its pretty straight forward,

go there with the modem they have the hfc mac address for, enter your acct num and all your nfos exactly like you have them and agree to the tos. your modem should reset with 15/2 caps.

again no idea if it still works. also i dont remember if it asks you for your modems hfc mac. if it does , and you enter it with a typo, this link will add another 44.95 monthly to your account.

remember its for adding more modems to your account not for what youre asking.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18385752 Wed, 23 May 2007 20:44:46 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18350954 StreetSpirit :
said by WoodyLI See Profile :

I wasn't able to find anything at optonline.net about info on throttling or on registering the modem. Do you have more specific information on where to look?
The Member Services site is OOL's AMS (Account Management System) user account manager. For example, you can alter your email settings (and view your CVC account #) at »https://memberservices.optonline.net/acctms/ams by logging in with your primary account.

As for the speeds, sorry, haven't a clue but glad you're getting good value for your money.

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said by WoodyLI See Profile :

Something has definitely been improved in any case.
I have noticed many more CATV nodes on telephone poles where Verizon is running FiOS. CATV has to place eight nodes to Verizon's one because of the copper in the loop.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18349986 Thu, 17 May 2007 12:13:03 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18349902 jaa : Register your modem here: »https://memberservices.optonline.net/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18349902 Thu, 17 May 2007 11:57:15 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18349834 WoodyLI : I wasn't able to find anything at optonline.net about info on throttling or on registering the modem. Do you have more specific information on where to look?

I rebooted my modem and checked speeds and noticed while I don't have boost my speeds are faster than ever with standard. I'm getting just a hair under 14/1.9 which is as close as I've ever made it to the advertised 15/2 speeds. Something has definitely been improved in any case.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18349834 Thu, 17 May 2007 11:47:30 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18336419 StreetSpirit : Be careful with that link. Run it with another modem [different hfc mac] and it will add that modem to your account. If it works, your modem should reset with no caps, but I'll be very surprised if it still works as it once did.

Of course, I haven't had the need to use that link for a while, with BOOST, and hopefully never again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18336419 Tue, 15 May 2007 05:45:55 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18332126 anon : You have to make sure to use the same modem mac for memberservices. If you miss like a digit either should receive an error message or it probably will add another modem mac]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18332126 Mon, 14 May 2007 12:41:39 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18329926 La Luna : I just love "rumors", WHEEEEEEE!

This entire thread has turned into one big rumor. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18329926 Sun, 13 May 2007 23:20:23 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18329682 LiberalKing : some people have reported using the member services thing to registrate their modem but others have said that method just added an additional modem to the account. where did you hear those rumors from?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18329682 Sun, 13 May 2007 22:30:41 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18328332 anon : Well you guys might be happy. I have heard rumors that Cablvision unthrottled 48,000 modems and the throttling policy won't be in affect because of FIOS and they want to stay in business. Too bad I don't live in CV area =(

And for a friend, he had a throttled modem, I ran memberservices on the optonline.net homepage, registered my modem and the throttle was lifted. Guys might want to try that out and let me know if it works. This was like a month ago.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18328332 Sun, 13 May 2007 17:39:22 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18297852 WoodyLI : :D :D :D :D :D

There! Now that's a troll! (if he was serious anyway). LOL!

:D :D :D :D :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18297852 Mon, 07 May 2007 21:11:21 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18297781 grandpinaple : Don't be ridiculous. Cablevision subcontracts oompa loompas to create black lists of suspected commies excessive uploading network abusing clowns. Then they cap randomly just to mess with your head. It's all just one big conspiracy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18297781 Mon, 07 May 2007 20:59:39 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18297228 batterup :
said by Iratesub See Profile :

The tech told me, that the key to not getting capped is to NOT leave a constant upload stream going. He used the word "burst" alot, like "we have no issues if you use your upload in bursts, but if you leave it going for long periods you risk getting capped, even with boost".

Ahhhhh, this is just like the old days. The special technician doesn't know exactly what causes a cap any more then I do.

Over the years and millions of characters typed the consensus is; the capping algorithm is a combination of the length of time uploading/the number of connections being uploaded to/how over sold the node is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18297228 Mon, 07 May 2007 19:17:40 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18294200 jaa :
said by WoodyLI See Profile :

jaa, just read my response to Geek, It should apply to you too.

It's definitely a lot more than two or three.

You complain about people spreading misinformation so don't be hypocritical.
I think it is two or three - possibly four. Certainly not enough to call "many" or "common".

You are one. Show me the others - I like facts.
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Going to edit my post to be a little more clear.

OOL is 15D 2U
OOL w/Boost 30D 5U

Technically speaking, the only cap occurs when you start to stress the network. A process happens, you're identified as an abuser, and the system restricts you.. There is no real hard cap, however.

BOOL - has it's own range of speeds but you can find info about that on the website.

took this from another post to give you an idea of what im talking about.

"I was capped on plain OOL. When I asked for BOOST, I was uncapped. I still got "the call" from tech.
The man on the other end of the phone was professional and so was I. In the end, I was told, that YES boost is monitored by the same system that plain OOL is monitored by for capping. Boost may give a "little" more room before getting capped, but it's capable also. The tech told me, that the key to not getting capped is to NOT leave a constant upload stream going. He used the word "burst" alot, like "we have no issues if you use your upload in bursts, but if you leave it going for long periods you risk getting capped, even with boost".
He also mentioned that it was a combination of the amount and length of time the upload is used. It supposedly stress their system too much. And you only get three caps, on the fourth one you get kicked off.
So far I use my upload at full speed for half hour, then stop, then wait an hour or so and do the cycle over. I upload more at full speed for a half hour than at a very low speed for a week. The tech said that all the cap tracking is done autonomously. I have uploaded gigs and gigs and haven't gotten capped (yet).

Hope this helped!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18293337 Mon, 07 May 2007 00:22:30 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18293016 BLUNTED 1 : well nobody knows for sure so lets just leave it at that until people actually complain about it. until then just hold your opinion to yourself unless you know it is a fact :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18293016 Sun, 06 May 2007 23:02:27 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18292338 WoodyLI : jaa, just read my response to Geek, It should apply to you too.

It's definitely a lot more than two or three.

You complain about people spreading misinformation so don't be hypocritical.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18292338 Sun, 06 May 2007 20:41:31 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18292153 LostHost : - I think your post is too long.

- I think I'm a troll.

- I think this post will be deleted soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18292153 Sun, 06 May 2007 20:01:34 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18291474 jaa :
said by WoodyLI See Profile :

I think everyone agrees that while the reasons are unclear, it's not uncommon for a boost subscriber to get automatically downgraded to standard 15/2 service without their knowledge and that if that happens, they are subject to the capping rules as read above.

Why would you possibly think that? What do you base that on?

I'm another that disagrees with that statement. I think the opposite is true - it is extremely uncommon.. I base my opinion on the unscientific observations of posts in this forum.
- There have been two or three posts that I recall of this happening.
- I estimate there are over 100 boost subscribers that post here
- People are more likely to come here when they have problems

You can have your own opinion that it is "common", just as people are free to have the opinion that the holocaust did not occur and the US government brought down the WTC.

But please don't say we all agree. That is absolutely false. I don't think I have even one post from someone other than you that thinks this is "common".
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said by GeekNJ See Profile :

I disagree. I think it is very uncommon that a few folks were somehow downgraded. I bet there hasn't even been 10 people in total that reported it here and a significant number of folks that have it and never had any issue.
GeekNJ, You are disagreeing with my terminology at best. I said it wasn't uncommon without referring to any specific value. Fewer than ten in these forums is possible and offers a more substantial reference but it doesn't negate my point.

If you prefer I could simply state that some people in these forums have reportedly had their modem configs affected in this way. This is a factual response with no ambiguity.

I would point out that if you extrapolate the relationship of the number of forum members who have experienced their modem being reset to standard service after upgrading to boost with the actual number of CV Boost subscribers who don't contribute to these forums it is very likely to be a significant number of affected subscribers.

I say this with no implications or accusations. Simply observations.

As far as Verizon FIOS is concerned, I know nothing about that but it is interesting that a different company, with different people, and different equipment is having similar issues. CV and Verizon may be different but they would both experience the same difficulties in relation to bandwidth distribution among customers. I don't think it's unreasonable to suspect them of assuming many of their customers wouldn't notice such a reconfiguration. I'll bet if I walked into my office and asked everyone who subscribes to HSI either with OOL or FIOS that not one single person (except maybe our IT guy) would have any clue how to check their modem speeds or configuration despite the tools available on the ISP websites. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18290665 Sun, 06 May 2007 14:12:54 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18290612 GeekNJ :
said by WoodyLI See Profile :

I think everyone agrees that while the reasons are unclear, it's not uncommon for a boost subscriber to get automatically downgraded to standard 15/2 service without their knowledge and that if that happens, they are subject to the capping rules as read above.
I disagree. I think it is very uncommon that a few folks were somehow downgraded. I bet there hasn't even been 10 people in total that reported it here and a significant number of folks that have it and never had any issue.

I probably know the same number of folks on FIOS that supposedly got upgraded to 20/5 yet they were at 20/2 and needed to call support to get it corrected. Does that make it a common occurence for them too? I don't think so.
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- I think pretty much everyone agrees that CV offers a great product for the price (Standard or Boost), is generally a top notch ISP and has every right to regulate their bandwidth use as they see fit. I don't think morality has anything to do with it.

- I think not everyone agrees that CV could do better in the area of making it clearer to their customers exactly what a cap is, how they can get it, how they can avoid it, and to quit treating you like some kind of criminal if you get one. This is my opinion that I'm sure is shared by some others. We could have avoided a lot of hassle with this.

- I think that everyone agrees that because no one has reported it, it's extremely unlikely at this time that you will get capped with a Boost config on your modem.

- I think everyone agrees that if you have a standard 15/2 service, you are still subject to capping for sustained uploads of more than about 30-45 minutes and must go through the annoying phone tag procedures with the so called "security department" at cablevision.

- I think everyone agrees that while the reasons are unclear, it's not uncommon for a boost subscriber to get automatically downgraded to standard 15/2 service without their knowledge and that if that happens, they are subject to the capping rules as read above.

- I know not everyone here understands what the generally accepted definition of a forum "troll" is. A good definition can be found at wikipedia: In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an established online community such as an online discussion forum to bait users into responding.

- A "troll" is not: Someone who posts a message in response to another poster or to you and who expresses a personal opinion or describes and experience with genuine intentions that you either don't agree with or would prefer didn't happen because it may conflict with your idealistic perspective.

- I know that some people here don't think as consumers we have a right to express our personal opinions about the service, our experiences, or ideas. I suspect those same people might think we shouldn't have the right to speak out against our government or anybody else we may disagree with or partially disagree with. I say those people can go move to Communist China where they might be happier. Discontent is the foundation of dissent which is a catalyst for change, hopefully for the better.

- I think that if you are a descent, reasonable person and somebody says something that you disagree with, you should consider their comment with an open mind and offer your own opinion and possibly some facts you think they may be unaware of as a response without resorting to childish name calling and repetitive arguments based on an emotional reaction.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18290515 Sun, 06 May 2007 13:44:24 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18290318 TheWiseGuy :
said by grandpinaple See Profile :

Who got downgraded?
StreetSpirit See Profile got downgraded several times early on, of course he was not capped when downgraded. Several other reports of downgrades were reported without them being capped. The evidence points to a bug, but who cares about that, it is a way for trolls to claim CV caps boost.
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TOS States if you abuse the service aka uploading for extended periods of time and/or running a server that affects the network/surrounding (paying) customers that they have the explicit right to cap/throttle your modem. You're paying for STANDARD cable service, at a cheap rate. You want a little more headroom? Go with Boost 30 down/ 5 up. Let me ask you a serious question. What are you doing with all that bandwidth? Are you running a business? Are you doing things you're not suppose to? CV doesn't "cap" anyone for any reason. The customer caps themsevles when they break the rules. I'm all up for the customer is always right slogan, but when the customer doesn't know jack-squat, guess what. He isn't right.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18289162 Sun, 06 May 2007 03:46:03 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18289137 Zelucifer : I checked my docsdiag, I was capped for several months. For the second time, so I am aware of how to check for capping. They undid it, intentionally or otherwise.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18289137 Sun, 06 May 2007 03:28:36 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18285896 jaa :
said by grandpinaple See Profile :

Who got downgraded? Surely it was an accident in the billing department or something.
It is CV trying to get rid of customers - they figure their tech support group would have less problems if there were no customers to have to deal with.
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said by grandpinaple See Profile :

Honestly this thread is ridiculous, Optimum Online is offering a dream connection for a bargain basement price and there are still people whining...
They are "whining" because unless you watch your connection, you could be "accidentally" downgraded to 15/2 but would still be paying to 30/5, or worse yet, get capped at 15M/150K. Now I don't know about you, but I don't believe in paying for things I am not receiving..
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said by WoodyLI See Profile :

Jaa I would be interested to know if you can grab a large file from MS or Apple or any other mainstream public server where casual web surfers may go and take a screen shot of that file downloading at over 2mbps, which, incidentally, is extremely fast by any standard.

And besides, you are missing my point. A god among geeks may need that 30mbps but I'm talking about if Boost offers value to an average household, not a geek den. For people on a planned budget who may feel they get more value by spending the extra ten or fifteen dollars a month on something else this might be important.
Woody, it is common these days for families to have several computers connected to the internet. Folks viewing multimedia, folks taking distance learning courses, kids streaming video and audio, VOIP, recreation and gaming. My point is, people are using the internet for everything from shopping to checking the weather to planning trips and perhaps deciding what speeds they need and don't need might involve a bit of hubris on your part.

Sure, not everyone needs 30 mbit/5mbit up, but it's sure nice to have.

Screen-captures attached [btw: While I'm getting 2.72MB/s from Microsoft, my wife is uploading something for her job, and my daughter is streaming videos on the Nickelodeon web site.

With all that going on and Daddy still getting 2.7+ MB/s, I think I'm fairly sure what I do need and what I don't need from my internet connection and would prefer others not to make that decision for me, Geek god or not.

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PS The files were downloaded from Microsoft. The Office Trial @ 363mb.
 
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18279513 Fri, 04 May 2007 07:17:52 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18277701 jaa : I guess I'm just having a hard time interpreting what you say. I thought you said there was no reason for high bandwidth because the servers are the bottleneck.

I took exception to that.

You asked to show you a download at 2mbps. I laughed, and showed one at over 8mbps.

I don't have boost; don't need it. The average household does not need it, and the average household will never get capped. It is merely an option for those non-average users who need it.

I fail to see how any of that leads you to the conclusiion that public servers are a bottleneck, or that it is difficult to get over 2mbps download from them.

If you have ever downloaded an HP all-in-one driver that is 250mb on a 3mbps DSL line, you quickly begin to appreciate the advantage that faster connections offer.
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Again, that's completely missing my point. What are the odds that several people in an average household will be downloading large files from one of those websites simultaneously during non peak hours?

I think eventually that kind of bandwidth will be more useful to everyday users but right now it's just a novelty for geek bragging rights. If that's what turns you on, go for it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18277317 Thu, 03 May 2007 19:49:15 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18275327 jaa :
said by WoodyLI See Profile :

jaa I would be interested to know if you can grab a large file from MS or Apple or any other mainstream public server where casual web surfers may go and take a screen shot of that file downloading at over 2mbps, which, incidentally, is extremely fast by any standard.
You're kidding, right? Here is one at 8mbps. Try it yourself if you don't believe me.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18275327 Thu, 03 May 2007 13:50:25 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18275197 WoodyLI : I think you guys just have a natural personality disposition to be argumentative. You quote my posts and argue but don't actually disagree with me. BTW, please don't consider this a challenge. LOL!

jaa I would be interested to know if you can grab a large file from MS or Apple or any other mainstream public server where casual web surfers may go and take a screen shot of that file downloading at over 2mbps, which, incidentally, is extremely fast by any standard.

And besides, you are missing my point. A god among geeks may need that 30mbps but I'm talking about if Boost offers value to an average household, not a geek den. For people on a planned budget who may feel they get more value by spending the extra ten or fifteen dollars a month on something else this might be important.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18275197 Thu, 03 May 2007 13:23:56 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273437 jaa :
said by WoodyLI See Profile :

large files won't download any quicker since you'll be bottlenecked by the public servers long before you reach your modem's maximum speed.
You're kidding, right? 30mbps is hardly noticeable by the major servers like Microsoft, Apple, Sourceforge, etc. I don't know how much bandwidth they use at any given time, but I'm sure they measure it in gigabits.
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said by WoodyLI See Profile :

If what I'm saying is true? You just agreed with me.
Agreed with you? Hardly.. Time to brush up on reading posts. I said I doubt the assumption I made off of your post is correct.

said by WoodyLI See Profile :

You would need a really good router to be able to see a benefit from multiple connections
You'd definitely need a decent router to achieve the 3.6MB/sec Boost is capable of. Most routers on the market today with the latest firmware should be able to support 3MB or so. But yes, a router could be a limitation in this case, but definitely not the public server as you said in your original post.

said by WoodyLI See Profile :

When you are web surfing you are getting the data in short bursts, not in a continuous stream so for households with no more than just a few PCs sharing a connection there would be no noticeable difference in performance even if they were all being used at the same time.
I didn't say anything about surfing the web.. You're right, there's absolutely no difference in surfing. My post was about downloading large files.

said by WoodyLI See Profile :

Also keep in mind that when using a typical wireless connection to a router you won't be able to even take advantage of the extra Boost download speeds at all.
Also true.. Wireless B or G would be a major bottleneck for downloading on Boost, but not the "public server". With Wireless N or an ethernet connection, this bottleneck can be lifted.
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said by Zelucifer See Profile :

Are they still capping? I was uncapped (without calling, or upgrading), and have been uploading fairly consistently for a couple of days now.
If you didn't have to call, you weren't capped.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273162 Thu, 03 May 2007 01:54:50 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273159 La Luna :
said by OOL User :

I have a question about the Triple Play. Can you get the Triple Play then add boost to OOL, making it $100/month? Also, when you go to a website and wait for the page to load, that is download speed right? I don't upload much, if at all, so do you think Boost is worth it? Thanks. :D
Unless you download a lot of large files and do a lot of uploading, you probably don't need boost. You won't notice much of a difference with regular web surfing.

You will only get capped on regular OOL for excessive uploading, NOT downloading.

Prices for boost are $9.95 if you have Optimum Voice and $14.95 per month without OV.

»www.optimum.com/online/pricing.jsp
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273159 Thu, 03 May 2007 01:53:35 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273123 WoodyLI : If what I'm saying is true? You just agreed with me.

You would need a really good router to be able to see a benefit from multiple connections over a Boost configured modem rather than a standard modem even if everyone on the local household network was simultaneously downloading from one of these public servers sending data at 2MB/sec and even then standard 15/2 service would be enough unless you had about five or more people doing it.

When you are web surfing you are getting the data in short bursts, not in a continuous stream so for households with no more than just a few PCs sharing a connection there would be no noticeable difference in performance even if they were all being used at the same time.

Also keep in mind that when using a typical wireless connection to a router you won't be able to even take advantage of the extra Boost download speeds at all.

Thinkdiff, I suspect you understand all this, the explanation is for the benefit of the poster who asked, not you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273123 Thu, 03 May 2007 01:38:52 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273036 Thinkdiff :
said by WoodyLI See Profile :
large files won't download any quicker since you'll be bottlenecked by the public servers long before you reach your modem's maximum speed.
I can't believe people are still using this old line. Boost is 2 times faster than Regular OOL. Regular OOL is maybe 2x faster than a good deal of broadband services around now. So that's a total of 4x. If what you're saying is true, 4 people on regular broadband connections can max out a server. I highly doubt this. I can get 2MB/sec+ from Apple.com, AOL.com, Microsoft.com, etc, etc. Downloads will be faster, and you can download more at the same time. Most sites these days have gigantic pipes.
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said by OOL User :

I don't upload much, if at all, so do you think Boost is worth it?
I would agree with the above poster, 15/2 standard service is extremely fast and unless you do a lot of uploading and/or downloading of very large files with dedicated private servers you simply won't feel any difference with "Boost" service. Web pages won't load any faster and large files won't download any quicker since you'll be bottlenecked by the public servers long before you reach your modem's maximum speed. Video games, video conferencing, and VOIP phone communications use very low bandwidth and are more dependent on latency (response time) which will not be significantly any different with Boost.

Boost offers some added features such as remote web hosting, domain names, extra email addresses and the ability to host a web site on your home computer with a domain name. Those added features and more are available through third parties for less than $5.00 per month so I wouldn't recommend getting boost for that reason either.

I suspect you are wondering about the possibility of getting capped since you posted in this thread. It seems to me that unless you use a peer to peer file sharing system like bit torrent you are very unlikely to get capped regardless of how much uploading you do. Just don't attempt set up a public web or FTP server at home and allow anyone to use it and you will be fine. Cablevision looks for continuous uploads over sustained periods of time (about 45 min or longer) to consider a cap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18273013 Thu, 03 May 2007 00:57:53 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18272395 Tursiops_G : "Regular" OOL speed is 'Up To' 15Mb Down, and 2Mb Up...
"BOOST" OOL speed is 'Up To' 30Mb Down, and 5Mb Up.

With Either service, You'll most likely NEVER really achieve it's "Max" Speed... About 70-80% of that or so seems to be a reasonable expectation, and that's IF you have the Proper equipment and decent Signal Levels.

"Regular" 15/2 OOL is NO Slouch by any means... If you have been experiencing relatively "Slow" Webpage loading performance, then either you have an Older Cablemodem that isn't compliant with the newer 15/2 Service, or there may be a Technical problem with either your PC or the Service itself.

-Tursiops_G.
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said by Zelucifer See Profile :

Are they still capping? I was uncapped (without calling, or upgrading), and have been uploading fairly consistently for a couple of days now.
You may not have been capped just experiencing network congestion. I have never heard of a cap being lifted without having to be called and explaining yourself to the Special Technician.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18272374 Wed, 02 May 2007 22:29:19 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18272356 batterup :
said by OOL User :

I have a question about the Triple Play. Can you get the Triple Play then add boost to OOL, making it $100/month? Also, when you go to a website and wait for the page to load, that is download speed right? I don't upload much, if at all, so do you think Boost is worth it? Thanks. :D
If you download more then web pages and you really like to download Boost is a must or you will be capped.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18272356 Wed, 02 May 2007 22:25:46 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18272174 anon : I have a question about the Triple Play. Can you get the Triple Play then add boost to OOL, making it $100/month? Also, when you go to a website and wait for the page to load, that is download speed right? I don't upload much, if at all, so do you think Boost is worth it? Thanks. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18272174 Wed, 02 May 2007 21:55:14 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18267444 Zelucifer : Are they still capping? I was uncapped (without calling, or upgrading), and have been uploading fairly consistently for a couple of days now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18267444 Wed, 02 May 2007 02:03:59 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18267106 batterup :
said by Calendarman See Profile :

I have to upload a 600MB file to my server. Could this cause me to be capped?
Not if you have Boost. Otherwise it is a crap shoot.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18267106 Wed, 02 May 2007 00:16:51 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18265502 Calendarman : I have to upload a 600MB file to my server. Could this cause me to be capped?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18265502 Tue, 01 May 2007 19:30:50 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18254827 NormanS :
said by batterup See Profile :

You are immaculate in your perceptions and reasoning. MVP indeed.
I don't see any "MVP"s here. You might find a few over at news://msnews.microsoft.public.*.
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Probably time to for this thread to get locked - it has been 6 weeks since anyone posted to it and then it got resurrected for no good reason. It has been even longer since there was an on-topic post to this thread.
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said by jaa See Profile :

I agree, anything is possible. Your scenario is as likely as your never posting to this thread again. That could happen, but so unlikely it is effectively impossible.
You are immaculate in your perceptions and reasoning. MVP indeed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18254165 Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:40:17 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034902 jaa :
said by batterup See Profile :

I am only pointing out one possible reason people that don't ABUSE the network get capped. The OP stated he was on a quiet node and didn't upload much data. A cloned modem on an over-sold-node would trigger a cap quickly. The OP stated he had a problem getting Boost; this could be caused by a miss-configured cloned modem. The operative word is could.
said by batterup See Profile :

said by jaa See Profile :

There are many documented success stories breaking through WEP encryption.
What does a wireless router have to do with a dedicated non shared network like FIOS? Nothing; you are just attempting to obfuscate the facts.
It has everything to do with it. FIOS is not a dedicated non-shared network. FIOS is a residential broadband solution that includes internet access, email, newsgroups, and other features - and a wireless router that is setup by Verizon with WEP security. FIOS, as delivered by Verizon, is a very easily hacked product.
said by batterup See Profile :

I am only pointing out one possible reason people that don't ABUSE the network get capped. The OP stated he was on a quiet node and didn't upload much data. A cloned modem on an over-sold-node would trigger a cap quickly. The OP stated he had a problem getting Boost; this could be caused by a miss-configured cloned modem. The operative word is could.
I agree, anything is possible. Your scenario is as likely as your never posting to this thread again. That could happen, but so unlikely it is effectively impossible.--
NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034902 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:03:43 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034589 GeekNJ : Look at Cisco's solution. It is the 'network'. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034589 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:59:56 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034284 batterup :
said by GeekNJ See Profile :

Like I posted and you ignored, the cable network protects itself from duplicate MACs.


The very expensive Veri-sign certificate method was cracked in a day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034284 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:04:12 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034270 batterup :
said by jaa See Profile :



There are many documented success stories breaking through WEP encryption.
What does a wireless router have to do with a dedicated non shared network like FIOS? Nothing; you are just attempting to obfuscate the facts.

I am only pointing out one possible reason people that don't ABUSE the network get capped. The OP stated he was on a quiet node and didn't upload much data. A cloned modem on an over-sold-node would trigger a cap quickly. The OP stated he had a problem getting Boost; this could be caused by a miss-configured cloned modem. The operative word is could.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034270 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:01:40 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034262 GeekNJ : Like I posted and you ignored, the cable network protects itself from duplicate MACs.

Your new 'the sky is falling' challenge was MACs cloned on a router or initial device connected to the broadband group. Same on FIOS or cable. Find something useful for your latest claim.
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said by batterup See Profile :

I don't need a document or even much knowledge.
»www.tcniso.net
I have that. You can load your own firmware, but there is no ability to change MAC address. I also think it would be detected by the OOL network and shutdown - if the custom firmware worked at all.

Like I say, it is much easier to just break the WEP security on a FIOS router if you are looking to steal service that way.

There are many documented success stories breaking through WEP encryption. I have not seen any about successfully hacking into a cable network. I have seen stories about people who hacked their cable modems to get higher speeds and were arrested on felony charges by the FBI. I think it was posted on DSL Reports.
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said by Cable Fiend See Profile :

said by jaa See Profile :

Ever consider not sending $50 every month to this "disgusting" company
It's been a day and already one of you says something as stupid as this to make what point exactly? Yes - I have thought about it.... for a day... thanks for the tip


It is a long established practice of brow beating and humiliating anyone that relates a unfavourable experience with Cableviosion. They can't discredit what you say so they make it so you go away and be silent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034085 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:23:32 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034060 batterup :
said by GeekNJ See Profile :


What document/URL do you have on how to 'hack' what you describe or are you throwing out yet another nonsense challenge without any basis?


I don't need a document or even much knowledge.
»www.tcniso.net]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034060 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:18:36 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034036 batterup :
said by jaa See Profile :

Not impossible. It can be done with the same ease as someone tapping into a FIOS fiber optic line from a distance of 800 miles and stealing FIOS service.

Really? I can find 100s of sites that have detailed instructions on hacking cable modems and none on hacking FIOS. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18034036 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:12:23 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18033855 jaa : I did not realize you planned on going somewhere else - 90% of the people who post complaints like yours stay with OOL.

What did OOL say when you had boost but were not getting boost speeds? Others have had problems with provisioning, with their routers, and with their computers that have resulted in sub-boost speeds.

What service are you switching to - I'm sure there are others interested in switching, and would like to know what company, speeds, price you are getting.
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said by jaa See Profile :

Ever consider not sending $50 every month to this "disgusting" company that provides such a poor service? Surely there is a better company that can provide you a better value service - or is this "disgusting" company the only one that has been willing to provide you broadband service for the past 4 years while those "great" companies have ignored you?
It's been a day and already one of you says something as stupid as this to make what point exactly? Yes - I have thought about it.... for a day... thanks for the tip

You know usually if someone says a company is disgusting you should really think that same person will be going someplace else for broadband.

Countless times I have read these forums and there is always that one person who replies with that STUPID question to someone who actually says negative things after a negative experience (IMAGINE THAT!)with your beloved cable company. No **** I am going elsewhere what the hell do you think I am going to do?

Lets start talking about facts now since you two seem to be so keen as to pointing out your opinion as fact

Fact: I was capped for tiny sustained uploads for half a day at a time.

Fact: After I was capped I bought boost instead of waiting MORE than 72 hours to be uncapped. This did uncap me but a day later I no longer had boost speeds and OOL kept reporting to me that fact.

I am waiting for the billing cycle to be over, if they bill me for Boost they will have something to worry about.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18033800 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:31:21 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18033798 GeekNJ : You can find how the cable networks prevents dup MACs.it should be a top search result on Google.

What document/URL do you have on how to 'hack' what you describe or are you throwing out yet another nonsense challenge without any basis?

It would be the equivalent of me throwing out 'FIOS allows someone to DUP their router MAC and get their data'. I have no knowledge if it is true or not, but not you have to disprove it.
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said by batterup See Profile :

said by GeekNJ See Profile :

Ha Ha!! Another "lie" from the peanut gallery.

Did you pick random works to make a sentence with? Have you done ANY investigation into the nonsense you are spewing or is the goal to actual show ignorance?

Do some looking up and see how the network protects itself from cloned MACs on cable modems and cloned MACs on devices.

More nonsense from the queen of nonsense. Change you posting tag to "I wouldn't know the truth if it bit me in the rear".
So you are saying it can't be done; that it is imposable.
Not impossible. It can be done with the same ease as someone tapping into a FIOS fiber optic line from a distance of 800 miles and stealing FIOS service.

Of course, nobody bothers with either because there are easier ways.

The best way to steal broadband is to exploit the FIOS vulnerability of the wireless network. When they setup FIOS, the intall a wireless router with 40-bit WEP encryption. Anyone with half a brain can find software and instructions on how to easily crack 40-bit WEP (and 128bit WEP for that matter).

So as long as Verizon leaves that vulnerability, who would bother trying to tap into a fiber optic line or mess with some mac address scheme to steal cable?
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said by GeekNJ See Profile :

Ha Ha!! Another "lie" from the peanut gallery.

Did you pick random works to make a sentence with? Have you done ANY investigation into the nonsense you are spewing or is the goal to actual show ignorance?

Do some looking up and see how the network protects itself from cloned MACs on cable modems and cloned MACs on devices.

More nonsense from the queen of nonsense. Change you posting tag to "I wouldn't know the truth if it bit me in the rear".
So you are saying it can't be done; that it is imposable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18033585 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:53:38 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18033097 GeekNJ : Ha Ha!! Another "lie" from the peanut gallery.

Did you pick random works to make a sentence with? Have you done ANY investigation into the nonsense you are spewing or is the goal to actual show ignorance?

Do some looking up and see how the network protects itself from cloned MACs on cable modems and cloned MACs on devices.

More nonsense from the queen of nonsense. Change you posting tag to "I wouldn't know the truth if it bit me in the rear".
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said by Cable Fiend See Profile :

I do not upload excessivly,
Someone on your node may have cloned your MAC address and is getting free service on your dime. This can easily be done because of the inherent security vulnerabilities in a CATV system.

Cue the banjos.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18032962 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:54:00 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18032283 jaa : Yes, CV can cap for 2-3k/sec upload. So can Earthlink. So can Verizon. So can Comcast.

The fact is, they do not.

Yes, they can cap boost. The fact is, they do not.

The rep I talked to said they never cap, often double the quoted speed of your connection, and give you every other month free. :)

Ever consider not sending $50 every month to this "disgusting" company that provides such a poor service? Surely there is a better company that can provide you a better value service - or is this "disgusting" company the only one that has been willing to provide you broadband service for the past 4 years while those "great" companies have ignored you?
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said by Cable Fiend See Profile :

If by making stuff up you mean quoting what I was told by OOL then yes I am

Someone telling me I am making stuff up is annoying, especially when the event took place only a few hours ago.
Then the rep is making stuff up.. either way, there's little evidence supporting those claims. 2-3K/sec upload has not gotten anybody capped AFAIK.
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Someone telling me I am making stuff up is annoying, especially when the event took place only a few hours ago.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18031342 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:28:46 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18031222 Thinkdiff : You're just making stuff up..

I've uploaded at 10K/sec for 4-5 Days straight on regular OOL with no problems, multiple times.

I've uploaded at 550K/sec for 2-3 Days straight on Boost with no problems. CV has never capped a Boost (30/5) user that was provisioned correctly.
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They do say you can have a server with Boost.. they also say that if that server is used (aka someone else downloads from said server which would mean ANY kind of server) they can cap you without restraint to how low.

To restate it, I do not upload alot I do have sustained upload speeds in the form of instant messages and Ventrilo though.. 2-3 Kb/s or 1 b/s it does not matter - if it is sustained over a long period of time (decided by them ofcourse) they an cap

it IS disgusting

for the record I live in a small town where no one knows the the internet is and does not use it - no one gets capped around here and they capped me last week or so for shady reasons - I've never been capped and I never thought I would get capped for the limited things I do.. to be capped out of the blue is a shock and makes me sick]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18031099 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:47:41 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18030810 jaa : Walked on water for 4 years, then in 3 months went to disgusting.

If you are interested in uploading, there have been many reports of people with boost uploading 24/7 at full bore and not getting capped.

I suggest either switching to another ISP that better meets your needs, or upgrade to boost and try it out for a month risk free and see if it meets your needs.
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Changed my OOL review they will not be getting anything more than the minimum of 1 from me]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18030710 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:46:23 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18028663 RickNY :
said by batterup See Profile :

with the shared loop one can use a network sniffer to access all data on that loop. One can even clone a neighbor's MAC and become her.
You obviously dont know much about DOCSIS networks either.. Lookup BPI sometime when you get around to it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18028663 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:45:49 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18027926 batterup :
said by jaa See Profile :

said by batterup See Profile :

DSL and FIOSs chock point is the interweb.
said by batterup See Profile :

DSLs first chock point is the CO and FIOS has large un-sticky tubes.
You obviously have no clue about the Verizon network, or you would not be posting such contradictory statements.

Make up a story, and stick with it. Don't keep making up new ones.
I can see the ego is getting in the way of the group dynamic. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18027926 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:30:56 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18027471 jaa :
said by batterup See Profile :

DSL and FIOSs chock point is the interweb.
said by batterup See Profile :

DSLs first chock point is the CO and FIOS has large un-sticky tubes.
You obviously have no clue about the Verizon network, or you would not be posting such contradictory statements.

Make up a story, and stick with it. Don't keep making up new ones.
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said by jaa See Profile :

Nope. You don't understand much about networks. DSL and FIOS have chokepoints long before reaching the internet.
DSLs first chock point is the CO and FIOS has large un-sticky tubes. Not only does CATV have a small pipe and close chock points, with the shared loop one can use a network sniffer to access all data on that loop. One can even clone a neighbor's MAC and become her. That could be why some people that hardly use their connection get capped .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026843 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:04:31 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026710 jaa :
said by batterup See Profile :

said by jaa See Profile :

All residential broadband has this same "natural cap" of which you speak. That is why they cost so little in comparision to business service that has guaranteed speeds.
CATV has the chock point closest to the subscriber, DSL and FIOSs chock point is the interweb. Ever a business class service can't guarantee a speed once the circuit enters the interweb. The speed is guaranteed point to point only on a private circuit.
Nope. You don't understand much about networks. DSL and FIOS have chokepoints long before reaching the internet. You think that Verizon has enough capacity to provide full speed connection to the internet for all customers simultaneously? You are in la la land starting to believe your own propaganda.
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said by jaa See Profile :

All residential broadband has this same "natural cap" of which you speak. That is why they cost so little in comparision to business service that has guaranteed speeds.
CATV has the chock point closest to the subscriber, DSL and FIOSs chock point is the interweb. Ever a business class service can't guarantee a speed once the circuit enters the interweb. The speed is guaranteed point to point only on a private circuit. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026664 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:26:09 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026396 GeekNJ : Batterup should know a lot about this 'natural vapxl He is on DSL and Verizon NY customers have been dealing with it for months!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026396 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:05:02 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026357 jaa : All residential broadband has this same "natural cap" of which you speak. They are all oversold at various aggregation points depending on the technology used, and have no QoS guarantee.

That is why they cost so little in comparision to business service that has guaranteed speeds. Just like natural gas customers on interruptible service that pay a lower rate.
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Also see what »myspeed.visualware.com/ reports.
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http://www.dslreports.com/tweakr/block:5d11717?service=cable&speed=5000&os=winXP&via=normal

hope i did that right]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18024794 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:49:44 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022878 GeekNJ :
said by crum See Profile :

speakeasy.net
Last Result:
Download Speed: 25189 kbps (3148.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 3443 kbps (430.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Ok, so no drop to 15/2.

Run a tweak test at »/tweaks and post the URL here.

What router are you using?
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speakeasy.net
Last Result:
Download Speed: 25189 kbps (3148.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 3443 kbps (430.4 KB/sec transfer rate)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022750 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:17:26 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022618 anon : ok so i disconnected my router so its just modem to pc restarted pc and modem.. heres the test results...
speakeasy test:
Last Result:
Download Speed: 25286 kbps (3160.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 2974 kbps (371.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

BBR speed test


Warning: You connection shows signs of ISP upload compression

if i call them any advice on what i should say??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022618 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:47:31 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022513 jaa :
said by crum :


Those speeds are not very good for boost. You might give it a try without the router just to make sure that is not the bottleneck. You should be getting double the upload speed you show, and higher download speed.

Any chance there is other activity on your connection when you run the speed test?
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said by jwersan See Profile :

Regardless, you think all the mistakes on the Boost configs, this far in, are normal?
Yes, which is exactly why I posted what I did about Verizon. There's mistake after mistake with all ISPs. Even Verizon's automated, non human, systems make mistakes.

It isn't odd to me at all that this happens. Like I said multiple times, we saw the exact same thing BEFORE there was ever any capping with peoples MAC addresses being dropped from the system and they had no connectivity.
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said by GeekNJ See Profile :

said by WoodyLI See Profile :

And what does this have to do with Verizon? No one is bad mouthing anyone here...keep the discussion civil. I think it's a given that OOL is a first rate service and so is Verizon and both companies share many similar problems.
Exactly, though a previous poster is insinuating that one of the companies that he dislikes does it on purpose. Then I guess we can then all assume that every company does it on purpose and therefore all the items above are done by Verizon on purpose to penalize their customers and increase revenue in hopes that the customers don't catch on.
I was insinuating that it seems suspicious that they are still having problems with the Boost modem configs, I made no mention of other broadband providers.
I was the one who brought up that maybe the capping scheme that OOL uses for Boost was to downgrade them to 15/2 and let the capping algorithm kick in.
Regardless, you think all the mistakes on the Boost configs, this far in, are normal?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022378 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:49:29 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022128 GeekNJ :
said by WoodyLI See Profile :

And what does this have to do with Verizon? No one is bad mouthing anyone here...keep the discussion civil. I think it's a given that OOL is a first rate service and so is Verizon and both companies share many similar problems.
Exactly, though a previous poster is insinuating that one of the companies that he dislikes does it on purpose. Then I guess we can then all assume that every company does it on purpose and therefore all the items above are done by Verizon on purpose to penalize their customers and increase revenue in hopes that the customers don't catch on.
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said by WoodyLI See Profile :

I wonder how many people actually know how to test their connection speed and understand the difference in the service tiers.
For Boost, every single person knows how to test their speed.
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said by GeekNJ See Profile :

I think there have been 3 or maybe 4 "mistakes" so far reported here. It is a rather insignificant percent of those that have posted here about being upgraded.

I can go on and on about all the issues with Verizon that parallel every single thing that people "hate" about CV. I'll throw out a few...
I wonder how many people actually know how to test their connection speed and understand the difference in the service tiers. If Cablevision does do this on purpose, it may just be a calculated risk since they never guarantee any speeds and probably 99+ percent of users would never know the difference.

And what does this have to do with Verizon? No one is bad mouthing anyone here...keep the discussion civil. I think it's a given that OOL is a first rate service and so is Verizon and both companies share many similar problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18022081 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:44:44 EDT Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021960 jaa :
said by jwersan See Profile :

Don't you think that this far in on offering Boost, that OOL would have their act together on configuring the modems???
IMHO all these "mistakes" in configs of the modems, where the modem is "accidentally" downgraded to 15/2 is high suspicious.
You would assume that these types of mistakes would be made when they were first offering the tier, but now these types of "mistakes" should NOT be happening..
The phone company has been offering phone service for 100 years. They still make provisioning errors.

One thing we can all agree on - there is no cap here.
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I can go on and on about all the issues with Verizon that parallel every single thing that people "hate" about CV. I'll throw out a few...

1) When you order FIOS TV on-line, their system inadvertently doesn't add the VOD and HD channels. This isn't a new system - it's been used for 2 years now. Oops!

2) They pushed new firmware to the STBs and broke the multi-room DVR from showing up on STBs and 30-second skip. Neither are fixed yet, weeks after another Oops!

3) They published SNY-HD as a channel we'd get. I even have it printed in a document I received during the install. Doesn't exist yet on the Northern NJ systems. Oops!

4) Users calling to get their "free" upgrade in areas where it is offered have reported receiving the incorrect one. Must be Verizon's version of capping.

5) Read the multitude of ongoing threads about DSL in NY (Brooklyn, Bronx, etc) where Verizon has oversold and hasn't resolved the capacity issues in months. Instead of capping just excessive users, Verizon has decided to CAP ALL USERS in NYC impacted by the overselling.

6) Verizon's mail servers are still blocking (discarding) legitimate mail. Read the posts in the DSL and FIOS forums. Recommendation from all those that respond - don't use Verizon's mail servers and use Gmail and Yahoo instead.

7) Verizon customer service providing inaccurate costs for users looking to find out their total cost for services. There's at least post a week on folks that were told one thing and billed something different. It includes erroneous installation charges, "forgetting" to credit a free STB for annual commitments, etc.

8) Techs that come on-site because of an issue and swap equipment, knowing darn well it won't resolve the issue, but that's the protocol they need to follow.

9) $25 fee to get a new STB since you can't walk to a location and pick one up. For me, one of their remotes died less then a month after I got it. They had to ship it to me and charge me for it and I needed to call back on Monday to get a credit on my account. Talk about a PITA!

If you are looking for greener pastures, sure, you might find some. For others, it's just a different shade of brown. You guys should spend time in the Verizon forums before you assume only CV has issues.
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said by GeekNJ See Profile :

He JUST upgraded when he ran his first test and then less then 2 hours he posted what looks like a 15/2 config. My guess is his Boost didn't take. All he needs to do is call up and ask why his modem doesn't apparently have Boost. I'm sure the rep can resolve it.
Don't you think that this far in on offering Boost, that OOL would have their act together on configuring the modems???
IMHO all these "mistakes" in configs of the modems, where the modem is "accidentally" downgraded to 15/2 is highly suspicious.
You would assu