Re: "Background downloader" in World of Warcraft http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15797479 en Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:19:23 EDT Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:19:23 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15875849 TOPDAWG : I'm tried of all the crap when it comes to wow I think it's time to just quit. I'm not an addict so no big deal just play to have fun.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15875849 Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:20:47 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15875342 TOPDAWG : Here is easy fix

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Guy posted the down-loader it's safe I used it worked fine will keep file as backup deleted the down-loader again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15875342 Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:08:07 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15875309 anon : Just an update: Anyone who deleted/moved/renamed this file, as per Blizzard's final solution, can no longer patch the game without the file existing in its original form.

Blizzard's new solution is to reinstall the game from the CD/DVD to fix this. I think everyone here knows how frustrating and how long that takes + you still have to redownload the 300mb patch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15875309 Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:02:52 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15834641 longstreet :
quote:
you got to agree or you can't use any software on the market.


That's exactly what i'm saying. Yeah shitty, but you gotta pay to play. Just delete the file or block it on your router ... all done.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15834641 Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:12:44 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15831302 TOPDAWG : I had to reinstall my wives WOW it was acting up. And just to see I did read over the agree thing I saw nothing about turning me into a server.

All I saw that was even close was we can update the software so it helps you play the game. Turning me into a server does not help me play the game.

Also all agree things are BS of course I don't agree for a company to fork up my pc but really all software is like that you got to agree or you can't use any software on the market.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15831302 Wed, 05 Apr 2006 02:19:16 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15826214 longstreet : Perhaps blizzard could have coded it more gracefully, but when I install software on my computers and purchase a license, I actually read the EULA and if I don't agree to it, I don't install the software, but that's me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15826214 Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:47:36 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15824335 Gork :
said by TOPDAWG See Profile :

Well hell I guess all the baby's who had their pc forked up by Sony's root kit need to STFU then.
If anyone honestly believes these two issues are even remotely similar they will continue to be in the dark if they don't do their homework. Just MHO, though. Please be assured I did a lot more research than just that one "blue post" on the WoW site - I just chose not to share all the information here.

Anyway, I've spoken my peace on the subject from a mindset of "in the dark," at least to some degree at first, to spending a couple of hours doing some research and understanding that the issue, at least for me, is not what some are making it out to be. I have amended my initial thoughts of feeling let down and screwed over by Blizzard, a company I have trusted for many years. They're back on my good list.

I will continue to sit back and read others' feelings on the subject.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15824335 Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:00:14 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15823978 TOPDAWG : Well hell I guess all the baby's who had their pc forked up by Sony's root kit need to STFU then. That is a BS answer. A company must be fair to their paying customers.

Anyway it was a dumb-ass move by blizz and I guess they knew it being as they addressed it and it was a bug that made it so you could not turn it off.

Blizz you'd think could program better then that. OH well I guess they should give me a virus next I mean I play their game I must agree to it.

Man stop being such wow fan-boys. I still play the game myself I'm about to play it now I can't sleep and I'm bored. It was still a dumb-ass move on their part.

I'm not going to debate it anymore it's a waste of time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15823978 Tue, 04 Apr 2006 01:29:15 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15823959 TOPDAWG : Could you at least know WTF your talking about? You can remove it and play the game fine.

Also many people have already said nothing was said about this down-loader in the agree thing. Blizz forked up it was broke you could not turn it off even if you picked that option. They forked up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15823959 Tue, 04 Apr 2006 01:23:51 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820385 dda :
said by TOPDAWG See Profile :

Also the way people are talking blizz give no warning to it and it was not in the agree thing you do before you play the game.
Did you actually read the "agree thing"? Did you read the patch messages? As best as I can tell, you agreed to having this software on your machine; if you hadn't, you couldn't be playing WoW right now. If it bothers you that much, by all means remove the entire game; that should guarantee that you won't have to worry about what happens next time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820385 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:25:22 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820003 longstreet : You remember that thing called a EULA you agreed too?

I'll explain the short version :

If it does anything to you or your computer, blizz isn't liable.

sucks, but true]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820003 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:43:20 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15819949 TOPDAWG : I'm not really going to trust someone who works for blizz on this issue or any issue with the game.

It was a very dumb move it's that simple and blizz was in the wrong.

Uploading 9 gigs and you had no idea about it and making it so people are getting booted off-line and having to restart their routers and PC's is not small stuff.

Also the way people are talking blizz give no warning to it and it was not in the agree thing you do before you play the game.

How is this any different then the Sony root kit crap? Yes I know one lift a hole in your PC for hackers. However both were software I never agreed to add to my PC.

Who knows how far blizz would go next time if they got away with this maybe next time they won't let you turn it off or delete it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15819949 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:36:44 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15819191 Gork :
said by dda See Profile :

If you have a 1 gig connection, I want to know who your provider is; if you have a 256 gig connection, I definitely want to know
Hehe - Um, oh, OOPS!. I have 3 Mbps down and 256 Kbps up. I give my ISP *way* too much credit. hehe Never post when you're half asleep...
said by dda See Profile :

To me, anyway, it's not worth some of the reactions in this thread.
Upon further reading, agreed.
said by dda See Profile :

I'd disable it after I read about it in the patch message; I'm pretty sure it was mentioned there
It was.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15819191 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:43:22 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15818804 dda :
said by Gork See Profile :

If I have 1 Gbps down and 256 Gbps up...
If you have a 1 gig connection, I want to know who your provider is; if you have a 256 gig connection, I definitely want to know who your provider is! :D

The downloader has had the ability to do P2P download/uploads for several patches, at least. On my Mac, there is a preference for turning it on or off; it was never hidden or sneaky or anything. What has changed, of course, is there is now a background process that is doing this when you're not playing WoW; apparently, that is (relatively) easy to also disable.

To me, anyway, it's not worth some of the reactions in this thread. Certainly if I were charged for bandwidth, I'd disable it after I read about it in the patch message; I'm pretty sure it was mentioned there. While it is pretty bogus that the official means of stopping it doesn't work, it can't be that hard to either rename or delete it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15818804 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:46:15 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15817037 Gork : See the blue post in the WoW forums for more information on this. It really doesn't sound like that big of a deal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15817037 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:24:23 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15816679 shinjuru : Agreed. Simple and without fuss.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15816679 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:03:09 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15816512 TOPDAWG : I just removed the file from my WOW folder. It's simple easy and works.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15816512 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 02:19:54 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15816328 Dread : Just remove the file extension instead of deleting it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15816328 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:07:51 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15810836 Gork : So, the reason I can download these big patches so quickly is because of Blizzard's "bit torrent" type downloader then. I wondered why all the patch files were kept, unchanged, in the WoW directory instead of being deleted - I guess now I know. What an ingenious method! I salute Blizzard for coming up with such a great idea! While I knew the Blizzard Downloader utilized several connections "bit torrent" style, I never looked close enough to notice these connections were made to other users' computers.

On the other hand, it bothers me that I didn't know about this until now. Granted, I have to admit I haven't read the EULA with every patch so this may be my fault. And, I can CERTAINLY see that two issues brought up in previous past are definitely biggies. If you are only allotted 5GB of throughput per month and each additional GB costs you, say $20 as with my ISP, this could get very expensive. Then there's the issue of bandwidth. If I have 1 Gbps down and 256 Gbps up and 10 WoW users simultaneously connect to my computer while other computers in my household are utilizing the connection this could be very annoying. They're going to mainly be using my limited upload bandwidth of 256 Gbps, after all. And what about those of us who have VoIP as well? If we're on the phone that's not going to work very well.

I don't mind helping Blizzard out with this - as I said above I think it's an ingenious method that benefits us all. However, I purchased the software, I purchase a monthly subscription - I don't want to end up paying $60 per month on top of that to ensure all users are able to obtain their patches. I also don't want to be inconvenienced because I can't easily utilize my bandwidth for ME when I need it.

Yes, indeed, this needs to be addressed and quickly. If Blizzard wants me to happily share my bandwidth to contribute to the community there must be an easy off switch supplied. I must also be able to easily see how much throughput the downloader has used, preferably broken down into uploads/downloads as well. Until that time, I will close the ports in my router unless I need them open to download a patch myself.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15810836 Sun, 02 Apr 2006 05:16:46 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15807611 EvilMoose : Thanks for the heads up.

I would rather have this be an opt-in rather than an opt-out. The lack of options to throttle bandwidth, set number of half-open TCP/IP connections along with concurrent open connections really makes it bad. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15807611 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:25:38 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15805961 slckusr : i dunno, when i saw it open after the patch i realized i dont want that with my dial up i just drug the .exe to the recycle bin and problem was solved. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15805961 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:57:07 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15805162 Harddrive : fyi: there is a 'blue' post over at the technical support forum at worldofwacraft.com with a link to a reg file that stops the WoW downloader on your PC.
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said by TOPDAWG See Profile :

HMM cause I'm not a WOW fan-boy and where I see BS I call BS.

Of course I'm not playing I just moved.

so now you admit that you have not experienced this. So you really have no direct knowledge of this issue.

quote:
I also get bored with teh game and wanted to take a brake I still say you have no idea what the issue is and what your talking about here.


I do know what I am talking about. You do not, you have just read a few posts and then criticized without really knowing if it is a problem. And it is not a problem, you CAN stop this.

quote:
The issue is not BT it's the fact when I close the download thing and just play WOW as normal your your still uploading data for them. That is the issue.
No, that is not an issue since you can stop it if you so desire. Like I said, it has not caused any problems for any person I know.

quote:
Damn it what are you not getting here?



I am not getting why you keep saying this is such a bad problem when it is not. It is plain and simple, if you don't want this program to run, it can be stopped. Saying otherwise is BS, Period.

This is one of the very few LEGITIMATE uses for bittorrent and people don't like it. figures :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15804315 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 02:25:10 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15804293 TOPDAWG : HMM cause I'm not a WOW fan-boy and where I see BS I call BS.

Of course I'm not playing I just moved. I also get bored with teh game and wanted to take a brake I still say you have no idea what the issue is and what your talking about here.

The issue is not BT it's the fact when I close the download thing and just play WOW as normal your your still uploading data for them. That is the issue.

I also have no control on how many ports it's uses or how much data I will allow it to send like a full BT program gives me.

Damn it what are you not getting here?
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said by TOPDAWG See Profile :

HMM I've played WOW 3 months.
How do you explain your post earlier then?
said by TOPDAWG See Profile :

Me and the wife were going to sign up for WOW again this weekend. I won't be signing up now.


that means that you are NOT playing. And a few posts by disgruntled kiddies does not mean that there is a major problem. Like I said, you are blowing things that you have never experienced all out of proportion.

and it seems a bit hypocrytical for somebody that uses bittorrent to criticize blizzard for using it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15804264 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 02:07:55 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15804247 TOPDAWG : HMM I've played WOW 3 months. Any other crazy claims you want to make that make no damn sense?

Go to the WOW site and read the forums you will see the issues. People were getting booted off-line with no idea why and one guy uploaded 9 gigs and did not know it. If you have a cap 9 gigs is not a joke.

OK so if I've never played WOW why do I have a wow back-round and the WOW icon on my desk top?

I still think you have no idea what your taking about and what the real issue people are having is.
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said by TOPDAWG See Profile :

HMM have you been reading the stores on this issue at all?
yes, I have read. It can be shut off. Sometimes not as easily as we would have liked. But it can be shutoff.

and I don't know why you would hate WoW. But that is what it seems like to me. You are completely blowing this all out of proportion. It is not a gamebreaking problem. And you haven't even played, so you have no experience on which to back up your point. I have played and know a lot of other people that play and have no complaints or problems about any of this. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15804078 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:27:22 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15803980 TOPDAWG : HMM have you been reading the stores on this issue at all? You don't seem to understand whats going on. The issue with this update is after you close the download window your pc is still uploading info for WOW and it's can't be turned off without deleting files or whatever. That is the issue nobody agreed to be a patch server for WOW.

Also why would I hate on WOW WTF is the point of that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15803980 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:04:28 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15803664 Margolis :
said by TOPDAWG See Profile :

Well yes their is it's called sever lag and all that other crap however I can forgive some of that. However when you install a program on a users PC that makes their PC do something they never agreed with that is wrong and I just won't give money to a company like that.

Like somebody said. You really don't like WoW and you are just looking for some lame excuse to try to criticize bliz. There is nothing malicious or performance hindering in WoW.

And what do you mean they install a program that does something you never agreed with? Everything in WoW is agreed to. If you don't want to p2p with the patches you can easily disable p2p patching and just do it solo. There is no problem. It's not hard and doesn't require any downloads or anything else.

what the original poster is complaining about is a new downloader that blizz put in that can download small parts of patches in the background unnoticed while playing. And even that can be disabled if you want. But why? it is saving you time by using unneeded bandwidth while you play. It is actually a very good thing. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15803664 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 00:01:13 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15802158 longstreet : I just block the traffic at my Router.

next thread.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15802158 Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:18:47 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15800353 TOPDAWG : Well yes their is it's called sever lag and all that other crap however I can forgive some of that. However when you install a program on a users PC that makes their PC do something they never agreed with that is wrong and I just won't give money to a company like that.

This does not even effect me I can get the update off file planet however I won't give a a company who does this my money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15800353 Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:46:09 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15800341 TOPDAWG : I've played WOW before I just stopped cause I moved. However it seems to stop the up-loader you must delete files or move them that is crap. I won't support a company who goes behind it's users backs and does this crap.

I never got addicted to WOW it's fun but has allot of issues that get on my nerves.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15800341 Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:42:58 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15800255 Morac :
said by TOPDAWG See Profile :

This is pure BS. Me and the wife were going to sign up for WOW again this weekend. I won't be signing up now.
If you are looking for a reason not to join, this isn't it since it can be disabled (though because of a bug, not as easily as Blizzard has documented, but I assume that will be fixed soon).

The main reasons not to sign up is that once you do, the concept of "free time" will become foreign to you. :)
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said by TOPDAWG See Profile :

This is pure BS. Me and the wife were going to sign up for WOW again this weekend. I won't be signing up now.
why is that? there is nothing wrong with game. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15800218 Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:23:04 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15800208 TOPDAWG : This is pure BS. Me and the wife were going to sign up for WOW again this weekend. I won't be signing up now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15800208 Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:21:20 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15799254 Morac :
said by Margolis See Profile :

like I said, if that kills your router or modem you need a new one :p
That's a not a very realistic solution because WOW itself doesn't kill the router, it's the P2P download software that does. If someone never uses P2P and only plays WoW they wouldn't need a new router. In any case a large number of connections opened and closed over a short period of time can kill any router/modem unless it is designed to handle large amounts of connections traffic. Its not just the number of open connections, but how many connections per second that are opened and closed. If the P2P app is opening and closing 50 connections per second (which can happen if thousands of people are downloading/uploading at once) it will quickly overflow the NAT table in most home routers. So unless you meant go out and buy a $5000 Cisco router, a new router might may not help.

The problem with the background downloader is that the p2p app may now run at any time while WoW is running whether it is patch day or not.

said by Vectordirect See Profile :

Does the Mac version have this same issue?
The Mac version also includes the P2P client so I think it would. OS X doesn't have the XP enforced speed limit which might make the problem worse if your router/modem can't handle the traffic.
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said by Margolis See Profile :

your router or is your firewall program popping up and minimizing the game? If your router fails because of a simple program like that you need a new router.
Some routers and modems don't handle tons of open and half open connections very well. I've had the blizzard p2p downloader kill my cable modem (it rebooted) when the blizzard downloader opened like 400 outbound connections at once.
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said by Kruza :

This background downloader crashes my router everytime is tries to open in the background causing my internet connection to fail and this disconnecting from WOW.

What crap!.
your router or is your firewall program popping up and minimizing the game? If your router fails because of a simple program like that you need a new router. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15797596 Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:53:42 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15797479 anon : This background downloader crashes my router everytime is tries to open in the background causing my internet connection to fail and this disconnecting from WOW.

What crap!.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15797479 Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:56:18 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15794629 EvilMoose : Play in Windowed Maximized mode and end its task each time it starts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15794629 Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:34:52 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15793161 anon : I doubt your latency would have anything to do with "Warden" and blocking it is bound to cause more problems like that than it would solve.

If you have ProcessGuard you would start by checking "protect this application from: reading" for all your running processes and unchecking "authorize this application to: read from protected applications" for WoW.exe. You would have to go through the entire list of applications protected with ProcessGuard and set them appropriately, because those advanced options are not setup by default. Now watch your log as WoW.exe systematically tries to read everything and fills up your log.

I'm sure it will still be able to get the names of all the running processes, but if that's all it did in the first place I guess we all know why there are still hackers who go unpunished for months at a time, right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15793161 Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:11:12 EDT Re: "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15792443 bpatters69 : I have been having latency issues over the past few weeks. After this last patch, the latency seems to be better but I always suspected that Warden program had something to do with it. How do you identify it and block it?

Thank you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15792443 Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:07:26 EDT "Background downloader" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15790271 anon : So they say this program is suppose to download pieces of upcoming patches, in the background, while playing. Naive idea---considering their bitorrent client has no upload limits and absolutely chokes asynchronous connections to death---but I can see why some people would want it.

Now to the real problem. They said it could be disabled in the preferences. No problem! Disabled it in the preferences, yet it still launches. Then they post a sticky in the support forums asking us to apply registry fixes as "the solution." No problem! I looked them over, and then applied it... yet it still launches. Now supposedly the solution is to move the file to a different folder (or rename/delete it). Now I expect that will prevent it from launching, but seriously, wtf? Can't they get anything right. Moving/renaming/deleting a file they put on our computers that should have worked to begin with?

Screw it, I just blocked "Warden" with ProcessGuard while I was at it.

No good faith left. Absolutely none.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15790271 Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:16:35 EDT