Re: Sign me right up! in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15820152 en Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:40:44 EDT Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:40:44 EDT Re: Sign me right up! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15823288 nixen :
said by birdfeedr See Profile :

I don't think VZ ignored emails from suspect IPs, they were bounced back as undeliverable (if I read their amended policy correctly). But they may have ignored some of the emails during that period. Hard to say. Would they have kept the logs this long?
Depends. It would be normal for the judge to order all records kept from the date of the filing of the complaint.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15823288 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:27:15 EDT Re: Sign me right up! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15823041 birdfeedr :
said by nixen See Profile :

said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by birdfeedr See Profile :

Unless you have to somehow prove mail was blocked.
Yes, how do you prove you DIDN'T get something. Most people won't even bother trying to get anything out of this settlement. The only ones who will make out will be the lawyers involved.
Depends. If he ruling judge actually wants members of the class to get their due, he would force Verizon to turn over their mail or other logs to determine what got blocked. This, of course, assumes that it was blocked sufficiently late in the SMTP conversation to establish intended recipients and not just blocked at the edge routers.

-tom
I don't think VZ ignored emails from suspect IPs, they were bounced back as undeliverable (if I read their amended policy correctly). But they may have ignored some of the emails during that period. Hard to say. Would they have kept the logs this long?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15823041 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:55:58 EDT Re: Sign me right up! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820152 sporkme :
said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

And I give Verizon credit for actually trying to do something about SPAM. No system is perfect, but at least they tried.
They took the lazy and stupid way out. They deserve no credit.

If blocking huge swaths of foreign IP space worked, everyone would be doing it (and they aren't).

Say what you will about AOL, Earthlink and others, but they did put real time into building in-house anti-spam systems. This was just a stupid hack, and the fact that it was allowed to go live raises questions about the general competency of these folks outside of their old-timey business divisions.
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Day dreaming days in a daydream nation]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820152 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:58:57 EDT Re: Sign me right up! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15819726 nixen :
said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by birdfeedr See Profile :

Unless you have to somehow prove mail was blocked.
Yes, how do you prove you DIDN'T get something. Most people won't even bother trying to get anything out of this settlement. The only ones who will make out will be the lawyers involved.
Depends. If he ruling judge actually wants members of the class to get their due, he would force Verizon to turn over their mail or other logs to determine what got blocked. This, of course, assumes that it was blocked sufficiently late in the SMTP conversation to establish intended recipients and not just blocked at the edge routers.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15819726 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:06:04 EDT Re: Sign me right up! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15819538 TK Junk Mail :
said by birdfeedr See Profile :

Unless you have to somehow prove mail was blocked.
Yes, how do you prove you DIDN'T get something. Most people won't even bother trying to get anything out of this settlement. The only ones who will make out will be the lawyers involved.

And I give Verizon credit for actually trying to do something about SPAM. No system is perfect, but at least they tried.
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Sure, I couldn't get email from Asia AND Europe.
Plus Verizon charged me a termination fee when I canceled.

Oops! Never mind, I switched over to Speakeasy before the action dates.

Actually, class action lawsuits are for the lawyers. The settlement tends to be negligible for the class members. Sort of like clipping a coupon to get cents off you next Verizon bill.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15819332 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:08:21 EDT