Re: To far behind already? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15822764 en Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:22:12 EDT Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:22:12 EDT Re: To far behind already? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15825590 anon : It is not just the FCC -try to place fiber in the ground and you have all local governments plus the EPA in your pocket- then the are the tree huggers 'who sometime are right' so it is hard to compare USA with third world or not where there are less hoops to jump thru.
Also USA got in this early so it is a replacement not new which means you pay for it twice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15825590 Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:17:47 EDT Re: To far behind already? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15825291 MeanPeepsSuk :
said by rawgerz See Profile :

The FCC is either stupid, ignorant, or has other interests. Any of which is not a good mix.. Or maybe they're too swamped in other involvements, it would be nice to see a group dedicated to the broadband issue that is closely watched for bribes and IQ of what they actually are ment for
Actually, after seeing Their 'report' with the quote 'The U.S. is doing exceptionally well.', It's obvious they're stupid as hell, unless they based this on country's with OUT any infrastructure

But good luck
Seems the FCC is all three, rawgerz.  I still remember the information super bahn Gore was touting and promised in the early 90s (anyone else remember that?).  My area (NJ) was supposed to part of the initial deployment schedules.. Millions on millions were promised 45Mg fiber by 2000 (est. 85M from the site below).  NJ, 100% fiber by 2010.  All to be paid for (and was) by higher rates, etc.. through deals with the FCC and government agencies that be.

If all that came through as promised, the US was supposed to be the leader in Broadband.

I often wondered what happened with that all.. and came across this site doing some research on it recently.  I am not affiliated with them, or anything like that.. But found the background interesting enough to pass on, considering I clearly remember many of the milestones they spoke of.  (Even so, the site wants you to buy their book, so take that for what it's worth).

The statement from the FCC just makes me go, "WTF are you talking about?".  

Spin it, FCC. Spin it.


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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15825291 Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:24:33 EDT Re: To far behind already? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15822789 jimbo2150 :
said by Dydion See Profile :

...marvelous patent and stands to make a billion dollars overnight...
Believe me, if something that miraculous was to be invented tomarrow... consumers wouldnt see it for at least another 3 decades.
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said by Karl Bode See Profile :

...would include government involvement...
Good luck.

Our current government could't give a $#*$ about the 'people'. As long as businesses are putting the green where the politician's dog-dishes are, they will obediently play to the corporations' demands.

At this point in the game the only ones helping the people are themselves. By mass protests (already seen), billions of letters and petitions (already signed), and violent gatherings (still contained to Paris, but Im sure its on the way).

I don't know about you, but I think we need a change of adminstration. One that will not pat itself on the back for a job well done (or not done as the case may be).
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- "Techie" Jim]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15822764 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:26:49 EDT Re: To far behind already? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15822622 packetscan : i'm not sure about total disassemble #5..

But Serious Chances need to be made. I can agree to that.
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said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Also putting a technologist at the head of the FCC instead of an empty-headed think-tank deregulatory drone would be a good move as well.
I agree with everything you just said but I'm sure you also know that these things never gonna happen - unless we disband this rotten FCC and forget it forever. We need a completely different communication market approach.

Sorry, we tried this - during last decades it didn't work out, by now it's completely ridden by corruption. Kill it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15821908 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:49:09 EDT Re: To far behind already? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820992 brooklynman4 : The fcc will post that email in the lunchroom for there amusment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820992 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:42:33 EDT Re: To far behind already? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820972 Dydion : That's right. Only when some company has a marvelous patent and stands to make a billion dollars overnight will the US see some real progress...until the CEO decides to retire with a multi-billion dollar package, and all the other top dogs take the money and run...

...then we will be back at the drawing board. The US is screwed, face it. Our politicians and greedy-ass corporations will forever sell us out for their own short term gains. We're a joke to the world and will never recover.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820972 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:40:24 EDT Re: To far behind already? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820933 RayW :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

None of that will ever happen, as the political system now serves the will of the largest incumbents, not the public.
It has for many years, as long as the 'incumbents' keep paying.....And as Clinton found out, foreign countries pay too for special favors.
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Actually, after seeing Their 'report' with the quote 'The U.S. is doing exceptionally well.', It's obvious they're stupid as hell, unless they based this on country's with OUT any infrastructure

But good luck
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When a group of people larger than the special interest groups decides to make an appearance and fight for us, only then will we bounce back but we will never catch up.
Money comes first, and people and the country's infrastructure comes 2nd.. or never
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"Hows your French toast?" "Smelly and ungrateful, but this AMERICAN toast is great!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820907 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:33:47 EDT Re: To far behind already? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820906 Karl Bode : Also putting a technologist at the head of the FCC instead of an empty-headed think-tank deregulatory drone would be a good move as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820906 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:33:45 EDT Re: To far behind already? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820895 Cheese :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

I don't think it would be that hard, but it would require steps that share-holders and free-market fans wouldn't like.

That would include government involvement in the infrastructure process, including setting deployment water-marks (and actually enforcing them), correcting the corruption in the USF system and perhaps expanding its function (not just eliminating it), and not cow-towing to telco & cable lobbyists at every turn.

None of that will ever happen, as the political system now serves the will of the largest incumbents, not the public.
Well said. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820895 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:32:38 EDT Re: To far behind already? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820891 Karl Bode : I don't think it would be that hard, but it would require steps that share-holders and free-market fans wouldn't like.

That would include government involvement in the infrastructure process, including setting deployment water-marks (and actually enforcing them), correcting the corruption in the USF system and perhaps expanding its function (not just eliminating it), and not kowtowing to telco & cable lobbyists at every turn.

None of that will ever happen, as the political system now serves the will of the largest incumbents, not the public.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820891 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:31:51 EDT Re: To far behind already? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820886 Cheese :
said by wvcaver See Profile :

I am going to forward this to the FCC :)
Please do, maybe, JUST MAYBE, it will light a fire under their ass, but I won't hold my breath :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820886 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:31:43 EDT Re: To far behind already? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820876 wvcaver : I am going to forward this to the FCC :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820876 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:30:02 EDT To far behind already? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820837 Cheese : I think we are to far behind to come back anytime soon. It would take many years to recover from this kind of position. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15820837 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:26:09 EDT