Re: If you can't beat down your customer... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15833725 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:23:32 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:23:32 EDT Re: Verizon's statement reminds me of the bad old days... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15849875 averagedude : Lets also not forget adding cable tv drops.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15849875 Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:57:02 EDT Verizon's statement reminds me of the bad old days... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15848181 not2cr8iv : back when everyone had to rent all their phones from AT&T, it was considered illegal and a "theft of service" to connect additional extensions within your own home, and your service could be cut off for having illicit additional extension lines in your house. Yup, those were the days.... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15848181 Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:39:40 EDT Re: If you can't beat down your customer... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15835156 achuchma :
said by Fatal Vector See Profile :

As far as cell towers go: Seeing as most of them that I see are veritible trees of antennas (sometimes as many as 6 one above another), it would seem to me that there is plenty of bandwidth available. All they have to do is cooperate with each other.
Good point, however, each of those towers, or panels, belong to different companies and also carry different technology. One "cluster" generally has several carriers on it, with formats from GSM, TDMA, CDMA, PCS, and AMPS.

Even if the carriers "shared" resources, it does not mean that each of the towers are set up for 3G, or can even communicate with the other carrier's phones.

If we ever see the world of wireless narrow down to one format (and probably will one day), then sharing of resources will probably happen much like the major telecom companies share their transport network. Right now, however, it really is not a viable option.

And I understand on passing up 3G. I have been burned plenty of times in the past with technology that was "hip" for a few years, and then it dies...Anyone remember the Wireless Palm VII? It's been useless now for a while, so I only got a short life-span out of a $450 piece of equipment. :huh:
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As far as cell towers go: Seeing as most of them that I see are veritible trees of antennas (sometimes as many as 6 one above another), it would seem to me that there is plenty of bandwidth available. All they have to do is cooperate with each other. And, lets not forget all the fees, and charges for each little "feature" you add on, like text messaging, etc.

But then, since deployment is glacial, I'd have to think it's because they are caught in that same constant "upgrade" trap that computer buyers and corporations used to be in with computers. You remember, the constant small speed increments? What ever happened to all that anyway? The chip makers like Intel just simply couldn't keep delivering for the gravy train? Or, did the corporations finally say screw you? Or, maybe all the above?

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll pass on 3G for now, as well as texting and downloading files on my cellphone, and dumb video clips and polyphonic ring tones and...you get the picture, I'm sure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15834949 Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:50:00 EDT Re: If you can't beat down your customer... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15834316 TKJunkMail :
said by TScheisskopf See Profile :

If these incumbents were smart, they would embrace this. What this will do is allow Joe Sixpack to sit with Jack Sixpack in a 3G-enabled establishment, when Jack whips out his neat 3G toy and proceeds to swap bits and bytes. Joe gets an immediate sense of turgor in his nether-regions for such k3w3l technology, grows obsessive, and runs out and gets him some of that 3G for hisself.

Think: viral marketing.
An intelligent reply, unlike some of the above. Your scenario is certainly a possibility and one that the 3G providers should consider.
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For the incumbents are wise, in profusion, whereas we are merely one-fodder-units.

Note to corporate lickspittles: If these incumbents were smart, they would embrace this. Verily, they are deploying 3G at a speed closer to that of glacial movement. What this will do is allow Joe Sixpack to sit with Jack Sixpack in a 3G-enabled establishment, when Jack whips out his neat 3G toy and proceeds to swap bits and bytes. Joe gets an immediate sense of turgor in his nether-regions for such k3w3l technology, grows obsessive, and runs out and gets him some of that 3G for hisself.

Think: viral marketing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15834021 Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:47:39 EDT Re: If you can't beat down your customer... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15833939 achuchma :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by averagedude See Profile :

then threaten them for using your product...
They should at least recognize that the market really wants something and turn those lemons to lemonade. The folks who make routers obviously recognize an opportunity, why can't the wireless folks.
Perhaps you can explain how this is an opportunity for the 3G wireless providers.
Exactly...Cellular towers are far more finite than copper networks, especially when it comes to the assignment and division of frequencies.

But, who cares if wireless customer's can't use their phones...I know someone here that will be more than happy to throw out the "greed" card here...Sadly, he will not point it where it needs to go, which is at the consumer.
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There is obviously a market for these kinds of devices, otherwise noone would make them. So part one of a successful business venture exists:

#1: There is a market for it
The technology exists today, and it can be created cheap enough to sell to people.

#2: The product is saleable and profitable
They can make the product BETTER than the 3rd party providers! They could make the cell phone plug in directly. They could build it into a cell phone. They could make an overall better experience for the end user than any 3rd party could.

#3: They could make it better
Oh, wait.. there's a problem. Hmm.. ahh, yes, GREED. See, they won't fill a market need, because they don't have MONOPOLY rights to it anymore! See, as soon as a 3rd party (i.e. competition) exists, they can no longer set down the terms of service. Hmm.. Guess the old school concept of monopoly makes them too stupid to change. The ONLY thing stopping them is they are too dumb and too greedy to change their methods of making money. In this, they share the same monopolistic views as the **AA's.
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said by averagedude See Profile :

then threaten them for using your product...
They should at least recognize that the market really wants something and turn those lemons to lemonade. The folks who make routers obviously recognize an opportunity, why can't the wireless folks.
Perhaps you can explain how this is an opportunity for the 3G wireless providers.
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They should at least recognize that the market really wants something and turn those lemons to lemonade. The folks who make routers obviously recognize an opportunity, why can't the wireless folks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15833707 Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:13:51 EDT