Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15880858 en Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:29:05 EDT Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:29:05 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15943382 Leod : If Americans didn't want it, the number of subscriptions wouldn't be growing as much as it has. It'd be shrinking or be fairly stagnant right? Verizon probably wouldn't even bother with their FIOS service yet (though, FIOS can and does provide other services other than pure internet access.) People wouldn't be voting to put in fiber in their own communities if they were satisfied. People simply aren't satisfied with the money they are paying for the service they are getting. You may disagree that a government based solution is the right one but you can't dismiss that people have voted for it in their respective communities. There are simply too many benefits for faster broadband that we shouldn't or even can't ignore. While I don't expect your opinion to change over a simple forum reply, I do think you should think from the other side of things. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15943382 Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:37:11 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15884934 anon : Finally someone that understands basic math. A simple analogy for those who are having a hard time following: You have 2 stacks of 10 bananas 4 bananas are at each corner forming a box (two boxes are formed one for each stack.) The remaining six in the first stack are put near the first corner, in the second stack they are put randomly inside the box. Which stack of bananas is easier to collect? Uhha now take those useless statistics and shove it. Show me some neutral statistics, but oh wait on this site it is impossible we are determined to make the U.S. look bad no matter how assinine the argument is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15884934 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:18:55 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15884279 FTCXtreme : I dont live way out in the boondocks. Infact the closest cirty with 100+ population(Worcestor, MA) is about 30 minutes away. I live a mile away from the closest cable. My rough estimate is that 30% of this town can get DSL. Do I want broadband, heck yes. Am i entitle to have it, No. Broadband is a nice thing to have. The US is doing fine, and before this all spins off into some anti president Bush argument. Expect broadband to grow alot more, our economy is turning around, jobs are being created, unemployment has dropped. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15884279 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:23:03 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15882175 oliphant : Quality isn't up to par based on what? Do you have reliability statistics to share? They weren't part of this study.
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WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING, except ending slavery, facism, communism, Nazism....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15882175 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:09:19 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15881559 wolfhouse :
said by oliphant See Profile :

But we don't know...it could just as easily and IMO more likely that we have other sources for entertainment and information so broadband isn't needed, thus not as "wanted".
Once again I don't want to speculate about the availability number, but the quality is certainly not up to par. That is a fact.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15881559 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:39:03 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15881240 nozzer : "Population density" over the whole country is hardly a fair measure. Taking Iceland as an example, almost all the population are located around Rejkyavik. In Canada, about 3/4 live along a fairly narrow corridor from Windsor to Quebec City, and much of the rest near the cities.
Whats needed for comparison is a measure of population DISTRIBTION, not overall density.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15881240 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:51:51 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15881164 oliphant : Again says who?

These statistics are NOT ABOUT AVAILABILITY. These statistics only reflect how many pony up and subscribe.
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WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING, except ending slavery, facism, communism, Nazism....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15881155 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:37:13 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15881028 nasadude :
said by Primis1 See Profile :

Get over it and grow up. Either that or get out there and deploy without going deep into the red, since you're /obviously/ the expert here and have *all* the answers.
I will bow to your superior knowledge and intellect as soon as you explain to me why New York, Los Angeles, or any number of big, DENSE cities in the U.S. don't have broadband on par with the leaders in the world.

The fact of the matter is the U.S. is hampered by the monopoly conditions that the government has allowed to develop in this industry. There is no effective, widespread competition in this country and there won't be on the wired side unless the government steps up. Consumers only hope in the near future is muni-fiber/wireless and wireless in general that can bridge the monoploy controlled last mile.

Unless and until something happens to promote REAL competition, the U.S. will not be among the leaders in the world in this area.

In another year or so, China will have more total broadband subscribers than the U.S. and we will lose the lead in the one area where we have it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15881028 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:14:38 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15881011 wolfhouse :
said by oliphant See Profile :

What do these statistics say about availability? NOTHING. Just because people don't WANT it doesn't mean they can't GET it.
This is true, but this might also be a reflection of the quality/price of the broadband. I think THIS is definitely an issue with broadband in the US right now. It is not that fast, and it is often more expensive than what you would get in other countries.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15881011 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:11:22 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880895 oliphant : What do these statistics say about availability? NOTHING. Just because people don't WANT it doesn't mean they can't GET it.
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said by Shark_615 See Profile :

Using your logic the states should have no problem. The majority of the US population is located in or around major urban centres.
And most of those places have broadband.
said by Shark_615 See Profile :

Besides there are many towns and cities that are not along the border of the US that have connectivity.
And I am sure there are some other places in bumblehick which don't.

The bottom line is that anyone in the USA who lives near civilization has at least one broadband option. The situation isn't as dire as the article makes it out to be.
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WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING, except ending slavery, facism, communism, Nazism....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880878 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:42:54 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880877 Shark_615 : Using your logic the states should have no problem. The majority of the US population is located in or around major urban centres.

Besides there are many towns and cities that are not along the border of the US that have connectivity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880877 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:42:45 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880858 pnh102 :
said by Shark_615 See Profile :

Sorry but Canada is bigger and more spread out then the US. Yes a lot of the population may be in the cities but that can be said for the US as well.
Most of Canada's population also lives very close to the US Border. Having a lot of people concentrated in a small area makes it easy to deploy broadband.
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Two of those countries ahead of us have pop densities less than 1/10 of the U.S.

I don't want to hear "the U.S. is so big" crap on this forum.


It's much easier to deal with the "last mile" when your last mile doesn't range in the millions and millions.

Then again, what do you know about broadband deployment?

"The U.S. is so big and spread out". There. I know that will make your day.

Get over it and grow up. Either that or get out there and deploy without going deep into the red, since you're /obviously/ the expert here and have *all* the answers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880704 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:13:08 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880683 Estragon : Ah, but the US is the world leader in making excuses. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880683 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:08:12 EDT Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880534 oliphant : Who cares about "broadband"? These statistics don't include dial up subs (as the vast majority don't have a "need" for BB). Additionally these statistics only reflect the fact that Americans have FAR MORE sources of information and entertainment and don't have to rely on "broadband" for it as is the case in many nations with mostly state run media.

It's not that Americans CAN'T get it...we simply don't WANT it.
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WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING, except ending slavery, facism, communism, Nazism....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880534 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:39:53 EDT how 'bout busting a myth rant? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880511 nasadude : every damn time one of these sets of statistics comes out, it is guaranteed that some moron will post "the U.S. is so big and people are spread out, that's why more people don't have broadband".

Well, if you go to that web page and scroll down to the data set for "OECD broadband penetration and population densities", the following info is in there:

pop density/penetration
U.S.: 31/16.8
Iceland: 3.0/26.7
Finland: 15/22.5
Norway: 14/21.9
Canada: 3.0/21.0
Sweden: 20/20.3

Two of those countries ahead of us have pop densities less than 1/10 of the U.S. It can be done, but with the gutless congress we have, snug in the pockets of the telecom industry, it won't be done. I don't want to hear "the U.S. is so big" crap on this forum.

'nuff said.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880511 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:36:10 EDT