Re: why do people put the real player down? in Software

Re: why do people put the real player down? in Software http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15887007 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:55:41 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:55:41 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16185248 Bobb :

said by Mele20

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The way I look at it Real has tried to reform and I give them credit for that effort. My hatred is for WMP and Microsoft who arrogantly doesn't even give you the OPTION to stop WMP from calling home after 6.4. Plus, you can easily remove Real Player from your computer. Just try and remove WMP 10 from XP which results in 9 being default and it calls home too. You can get it where version 9 files are on the computer but it isn't installed and thus 6.4 is invoked but you can't remove the version 9 files (well you can but they come back). THAT is what deserves hatred not Real Player.

People that have been around remember what Real did & Does! Real is just as evil and crappy as always!
Windows media player has always been a great player.
If you learn how it works, you'd see you can disable anything you want! Remove whatever.
Just need to take the time to read.
WMP has always been the best and never did the things Realnetworks did to get them the rep that many have forgotten.
They haven't fired the people responsible or stopped there
policy, just gotten better at it.
There just happy they are still in business!
Junk stock!
Anyway, WMP 11 works great! And I have Real Alternative.
So I don't need the Communist crap! I don't forgive & forget as quick as some I guess.
»www.free-codecs.com/download/Rea···tive.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16185248 Sat, 27 May 2006 22:27:06 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16184718 OverBurn : I HATE real player and anything associated with it. I wish it was wiped off the face of the earth.

If I just have to play a real file I use Media Player Classic with real & quicktime alternative. The only other player I ever use is VLC. I only install the codecs I need, I never install codec packs. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16184718 Sat, 27 May 2006 20:35:51 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16182767 Cudni : i have wmp 10 and 9 and was always able to disable its so called calling home (not using firewall) both by disabling from with app itself and using a well documented registry edit.

Cudni
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said by Mele20

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You can get it where version 9 files are on the computer but it isn't installed and thus 6.4 is invoked but you can't remove the version 9 files (well you can but they come back). THAT is what deserves hatred not Real Player.

Eh, maybe so but I still hate Real Player along with WMP for all the reasons you just cited. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16182753 Sat, 27 May 2006 12:43:23 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16181523 Mele20 : The way I look at it Real has tried to reform and I give them credit for that effort. My hatred is for WMP and Microsoft who arrogantly doesn't even give you the OPTION to stop WMP from calling home after 6.4. Plus, you can easily remove Real Player from your computer. Just try and remove WMP 10 from XP which results in 9 being default and it calls home too. You can get it where version 9 files are on the computer but it isn't installed and thus 6.4 is invoked but you can't remove the version 9 files (well you can but they come back). THAT is what deserves hatred not Real Player.
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said by Mele20

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Uh...Real Player hasn't phoned home in a couple of years unless you decide it should. You must be thinking of old versions before Real got with it and got a good privacy policy.

No, actually, I'm not mistaken. My hate for Real Player is quite tangible. And I really don't care about their so called privacy policy. They had their chance and they f*cked it up with their surreptitious bullshit. They aren't going to change my mind about it now with some piddly little alleged privacy policy.
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It's WMP player that gives you NO choice and phones home whether you want it to or not. It is also WMP that forces DRM for most everything. I have WMP player above 6.4 non-functional on my computer.
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said by fonzbear2000

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quite a few times, ive seen people say that the real player sucks-i listened to an mp3 through both real and winamp and they sounded exactly the same-i watched a video on both and they looked and sounded exactly the same-so, why are people against real player?

Where to start. That's like asking why AOHell sucks and isn't as popular as say, Firefox. My personal hate for RealPlayer is as follows:

1) Phones home.
2) Installs a buncha shit I don't want/need on my HD.
3) Uses DRM whether you enable it or not.

Has nothing to do with quality or lack thereof. Personally, I just refuse to use any software whose developers assume their customers are dumb and won't mind bloatware that sucks up their system's resources and scans the HD transmitting anything back to the mothership that it finds. I feel the same way about Windows Media Player.
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quote:
After reading many of your posts I'll yield to your experience on the subject gripes.

:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16179059 Fri, 26 May 2006 19:34:27 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16178930 JTM1051 :

said by Mele20

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So?? PCWorld doesn't like the 1999 version of Real Player? What does that have to do with the current version???

Just pointing out, as others in have, that some do not like/trust RealPlayer due to its past.

With all the boners RealPlayer has pulled over the years lot of people, including myself, I still don't trust them.

That PC World list is just a gripe list and each person's gripe list is going to be different.

After reading many of your posts I'll yield to your experience on the subject gripes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16178930 Fri, 26 May 2006 19:13:51 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16178361 Mele20 : So?? PCWorld doesn't like the 1999 version of Real Player? What does that have to do with the current version???

That entire list is suspect. Nothing wrong with AOL if you had it years ago when only dialup was available or have it currently if you live in an area (like this island) where broadband is not very available. It gave me a far superior dial up connection than did Verizon, Earthlink and other ISPs I tried and I didn't need to use AOL browser at all. I currently have AOL free from Road Runner.

That PC World list is just a gripe list and each person's gripe list is going to be different. I consider the current Real Player (not the 1999 version) to be excellent. It is the versions of Microsoft's WMP since 6.4 that badly suck. The only problem with Real Player and Rhapsody (which has fantastic sound and library) is that the tech support is as bad or worse than Symantec's.
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1. America Online (1989-2006)
2. RealNetworks RealPlayer (1999)
3. Syncronys SoftRAM (1995)
4. Microsoft Windows Millennium (2000)
5. Sony BMG Music CDs (2005)
6. Disney The Lion King CD-ROM (1994)
7. Microsoft Bob (1995)
8. Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 (2001)
9. Pressplay and Musicnet (2002)
10. dBASE IV (1988)
11. Priceline Groceries and Gas (2000)
12. PointCast (1996)
13. IBM PCjr. (1984)
14. Gateway 2000 10th Anniversary PC (1995)
15. Iomega Zip Drive (1998)
16. Comet Cursor (1997)
17. Apple Macintosh Portable (1989)
18. IBM Deskstar 75GXP (2000)
19. OQO Model 1 (2004)
20. CueCat (2000)
21. Eyetop Wearable DVD Player (2004)
22. Apple Pippin @World (1996)
23. Free PCs (1999)
24. DigiScents iSmell (2001)
25. Sharp RD3D Notebook (2004)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16177196 Fri, 26 May 2006 14:36:29 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16130248 Anonymous_ : WMP 8 is around 4MB of space and uses 3.87MB of ram on my system

power dvd 7.0 uses 90MB
(watching dvd)
quicktime uses 500+ MB of ram 75%-89% of an dual core @ 2.6GHz/2.8GHz (AMD cpu) when watching an 100MB HD movie (1080P)
real player um i have not used it cause the new GUI sucks and it is not free and has adware/spyware]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16130248 Fri, 19 May 2006 13:32:35 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16096921 dadkins :

said by howie

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When does Rhapsody "send your CPU usage to around 50%"?
When I'm using it, my CPU is about 2-4% used.

I'd like to know this as well... ~2% here.
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When I'm using it, my CPU is about 2-4% used.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16096844 Sun, 14 May 2006 20:03:50 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16096776 ssj4android : Real Media files were horrible quality when they first started to come out. Maybe people remember that?
Rhapsody is horrible though. It sends my CPU usage to around 50%.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16096776 Sun, 14 May 2006 19:48:59 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16060397 gate1975mlm : I also like Real Player!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16060397 Tue, 09 May 2006 10:33:56 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16059902 Rick : Real Player ticked me off long ago with all the crap it put on my computer and I never looked at or wanted the program since.

I'm pretty happy with Media player and use that for just about everything except watching DVD's for which I use cyberlink/power DVD.
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said by dvd536 :

said by Kilroy :

Because it loads stuff we don't want and attempts to make everything run through Real Player.

you forgot about the horrid quality of REAL video.

For the most part, yes. But I've seen a few recent things that had pretty good quality. I was very surprised.
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said by Kilroy :

Because it loads stuff we don't want and attempts to make everything run through Real Player.

you forgot about the horrid quality of REAL video.
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said by WFO :

said by dadkins :

As for "ads"... anyone see [AD] anywhere on this screenshot?

Ads don't seem to bother me much, if ya know what I mean. ;)

dadkins, please turn off your ad blocking software and then post a screen shot. :)

No prob! Yeah, I like Outpost Pro! ;)
Even a Vonage ad at the bottom!

Outpost doesn't let the ad servers connect, so this time with Outpost off, it loaded alot slower.
Outpost is always on... I don't see ads!

EDIT: Can you tell which one is with Outpost enabled? ;)
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But I must say the RMVB codec is quite impressive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16054535 Mon, 08 May 2006 14:49:17 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16053343 Doctor Olds :
said by WFO :

dadkins, please turn off your ad blocking software and then post a screen shot. :)

If he did that, his laptop would melt down. ;)
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said by dadkins :

As for "ads"... anyone see [AD] anywhere on this screenshot?

Ads don't seem to bother me much, if ya know what I mean. ;)

dadkins, please turn off your ad blocking software and then post a screen shot. :)
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said by Schrade :

Not to mention the ....buffering.. That's still a common joke.
[att=1]

LOL
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16052738 Mon, 08 May 2006 09:10:50 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16052553 nagu : Real player phones home without your knowledge and permission. I have blocked many real addresses thru host file. (»www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm) There is an alternate real player without the spyware baggage - google for alternate real player.

I have also read that it's impossible to uninstall realplayer completely from your system. Even after you uninstall, it leaves tonnes of stuff all over the place and only a reinstall of OS is the clear way out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16052553 Mon, 08 May 2006 08:13:36 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15912972 elias :
said by fonzbear2000 :

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm my main issue still on this still isnt being addressed-and that is people saying they dont like real player because it has poorer video and sound quality as compared to other media players
Perhaps they're referring to videos and streams that are encoded using Real's proprietary format. Otherwise, when it comes to playing common file types, most players are about the same.

I use RealPlayer via Real Alternative.

-- Elias
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They're not nice people. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15898009 Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:08:23 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15892828 Kiwi : Seems so, just downloaded KAV -I don't use AV's because I know how to check a file :) ~Not a good habit in general though for those that don't delve into the Reg files. Came up clean as a whistle. KAV has a nice interface....Trying to decide which one to unzip...

VLC or Realalternative....Lol

Mick]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15892828 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:15:29 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15892205 dadkins : Kav 6, FULL ON, VLC scans as clean. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15892205 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:41:22 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15892187 Kiwi :
said by fegul :

VLC is clean. It is not picked up by Kaspersky, and its not a trojan.

Though it's great that the pre download FAQ gives warning, this simply suggests a problem down the road. Course anything can be a problem down the road :)

I see "Someone" is miffed, so I presume no donations where offered.

[Edit] -I was interested in a Radio player, so I hung down--Oops:) around here ;) */Joke* (@ the bottom of the page).

Cheers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15892187 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:38:54 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15892125 fegul : VLC is clean. It is not picked up by Kaspersky, and its not a trojan.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15892125 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:29:26 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15892094 Kiwi :
said by dadkins :

DO you know how many "players" this VAIO came with? Let alone the other ones I have downloaded for the hell of it? :D

VLC owns anyways. LOL!

I backed out, guess I was not brave enough ;..Lol

"Windows 95/98/Me users: Please note that these versions of Windows are not officially supported. No VideoLAN developer uses any of these systems, which makes them hard to support.
VLC should mostly work with them, but some incompatibilities might appear.

Virus warning: we have had several reports of trojaned VLC binaries (Sophos detected Troj/Momma-B, and Panda detected Bck/Optix). These are false positives, our packages are not trojaned. The Windows version is compiled on a Linux box, it is highly unlikely that a Windows virus would end there. However be aware, to only download VLC from the above mentioned locations."

Looks like a can of worms.

Cheers ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15892094 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:24:37 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15892017 Mele20 : Yes, I know...Comcast has for over a year (also Speakeasy). I have asked Time Warner corporate three times why Road Runner doesn't offer this to us and the reply has been that no one is asking for it. :(
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Well, maybe I will try it again. I had Rhapsody Radio from Listen.com which you can't get from Real (what is that game all about?) but that isn't all that good. To enjoy Rhapsody you need the full service so you can build your own radio stations. But I am not paying $10 a month for shitty tech support if I need it and my experience has been that with Real/Rhapsody you need it.

The quality of the sound is great. Probably be even better on this new Dell that has the SB X-Fi card.
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VLC owns anyways. LOL!
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Cheers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15891525 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:51:07 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15891167 Sid : I use it also and enjoy doing so. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15891167 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:47:36 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15890912 Red Dragon : I use the CCCP which gives you Z player which at running xvid or h264 only at 34MB... 6MB for audio. Players everything that you can throw at it. Great for the anime fans out there :)
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horrible tech support of theirs when Rhapsody 3.0
first came out several months ago.

It seemed like they rushed out the new version too
quickly, and many users had problems.

The last time I installed it, though, I had very
little trouble with it. The radio tuner is one of
the best of any of the subscription based music
download services.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15889714 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:07:20 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15889540 howie :
said by dadkins :

Yeah! Rhapsody is pretty neat! :)
Rhapsody has the whole Play and Rip setup too! ;)

Yes it does and I like how the mini player matches my taskbar! :-)
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Rhapsody Mini Player
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said by Kilroy :

Because it loads stuff we don't want and attempts to make everything run through Real Player.

everything he said.

I had a MAJOR issue with Winamp and Real Player.. everytime I would tell Real Player to not play MP3's and I switch it over to Winamp, it seems everyday I was changing it back to Winamp.

my best thing was to not install it period.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15889498 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:34:29 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15889233 dadkins : I just use it for the player, seems to work better than alot of other players on alot of media types.

Yeah! Rhapsody is pretty neat! :)
Rhapsody has the whole Play and Rip setup too! ;)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15889233 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:58:03 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15889198 howie : Every time I went to play the included radio, I'd have to sit through a video selling something... Rhapsody25 has no such annoyances and I get the free 25 songs a month too! (over a million to choose from.) All the radio stations in Rhasody seem to be at least 128kb/s, too. I love the 60's station and if you don't like what's playing you just hit stop, hit play again and you instantly get a new tune.
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Back to the topic at hand, I may try the new RealPlayer as it's been a few years since I've used it. There's always True Image (the ultimate uninstaller) in case I don't like it... :-)

[EDIT] Damn, I hate the free RealPlayer! It's full of ads and other useless crap!
I'll stick with Rhapsody25... Hmmm... Where's my TI boot CD? ;-)
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Great another weekend hosed!!! :mad: :(
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15888769 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:52:32 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15888756 dadkins :
said by fegul :

That's how it usually is before the cup of coffee :D

The day is young still... ;)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15888599 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:27:58 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15888518 fegul : That's how it usually is before the cup of coffee :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15888518 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:13:37 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15888476 dadkins :
said by howie :

Wow, only 79, dadkins ? You're conserving resources today! ;-)

Eh, I uninstalled a couple items... :huh:
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said by cbiggers :

said by dadkins :

Would you consider bloat as a problem? I don't. My laptop cruises right along with ALOT of installed and running apps.
Good lord, 79 running proceses? That's insane. I thought I had too many with 41. Just because you can run a lot doesn't mean you should.

Sometimes it's at 83. Since this is MUCH more than "just a laptop", and it has the cojones to do this daily, there is no problem. ;)

You see, I have TV shows set to record(yeah, its a TV/DVR), the Remote needs a couple things active too(Drivers, IR reciever and drivers for it).

As joekuz stated, when loaded into memory, things happen instantly. No need to go enable anything or wait to load - it's already there ready to rock(
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15888447 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:04:12 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15888094 older dog : Real player almost always times out in streaming media for me.
Playing the same in Windows media player no problems, or any other besides quick time.
All payers have the latest update.
Should you ever make the mistake of subscribing to real super pass, and wish to cancel good luck.
Real started charging my account again, 2 months after I received there cancellation letter.
5 phone calls and letter to every address I could find got my money back, Anybody with out a lot of free time would have given up.
Real is still underhanded]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15888094 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:06:50 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15887935 joekuz :
said by cbiggers :

said by dadkins :

Would you consider bloat as a problem? I don't. My laptop cruises right along with ALOT of installed and running apps.
Good lord, 79 running proceses? That's insane. I thought I had too many with 41. Just because you can run a lot doesn't mean you should.

Actually that is good example of a multitaskers computer. If ya notice those aren't services but programs he uses often all loaded into memory. So when one of those programs are called to run it is instant, no load time.

Me, I do a little surfin' and gaming, little multitasking, so I have 17 processes and loads of ram free... :)
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In a way if people like myself stick to theis ideal then they are getting punished for their lying and cheating... which is how it should be!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15887420 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:27:51 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15887238 anon : Would not be surprised if somebody deleted this post because it goes against the common opinion here, but Real Player is actually my preferred audio media player.

I recap a weekly radio show that sometimes requires me to quote what is being said. No other media player has the ability to fast forward/rewind in 1-second increments which allows me to quote the host quickly and accurately. In fact, I did ask in this forum and never did find another player with that feature. There were some players that can ship 5, 30, 60 seconds or whatever. Not good enough. Some players are even worse and only give the option of fast forwarding by dragging the progress bar with a mouse.

What is fantastic about Real Player's ability to fast forward is that it also applies to streaming content. So, when I am listening to an on-demand stream, I can fast forward the precise amount and skip the commercials.

Here is my screenshot of RealPlayer playing a long mp3 right now. It is as compact as any other player.

Real Player - Normal Mode
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No Bloatware, adware, or Spyware.
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said by Bobb :

Realevilplayer has done a lot of questionable things in the past! How it earned it's hated reputation.
Going online without permission, installing other junk, doing things it shouldn't, just does a whole bunch of things behind the scenes that get annoying, etc.
Was listed as Spyware for a while, don't know if it still is, I doubt it, nowadays you can pay to be unlisted! ;)

Real Alternative 1.48 Final
»www.free-codecs.com/download/Rea···tive.htm

You obviously haven't used the Realplayer Enterprise edition, it is ad free and looks more streamlined.
»forms.real.com/rnforms/products/···dex.html
You are asked to enter a company name and phone number, but nobody is watching. I am guessing they want that because they know in a corperate enviroment people won't be watching ads.
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For the one RP version I had, if you clicked 'play' on a local file, the damned thing tried to access a number of different IP addresses. Real Player phoning home, I imagine. If it doesn't bother someone to openly share computer usage patterns and habits with whoever is at the other end of those IP addresses, then it won't be a problem to use it. I'm of a mind that since I'm paying for the bandwidth, I'll try to decide (when possible) what goes up and down the pipes, especially considering that RP does not disclose their intentions to mine your data at the time of install. In my old school way of thinking, that's called 'being a sneak.' I hate sneaks. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15887294 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:10:35 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15887221 cbiggers :
said by dadkins :

Would you consider bloat as a problem? I don't. My laptop cruises right along with ALOT of installed and running apps.
Good lord, 79 running proceses? That's insane. I thought I had too many with 41. Just because you can run a lot doesn't mean you should.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15887221 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:30:23 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15887197 joekuz : I personally use quicktime alternative and real alternative which play in MPC. Nothing against quicktime or real players I just am not big on having multiples of media players. If one can do it all fine by me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15887197 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:09:17 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15887007 herb77 : »www.help2go.com/Tutorials/MP3%10···exe.html

This helps]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15887007 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:15:44 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886990 cvrefugee : WMP9 and WMP10 ask you what file types you would like to associate with it, in fact, it asks you the first time you run the program.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886990 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:08:55 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886787 nael : I still prefer WMP6.4. It is faster for me than MPC because he added stuff I don't have any use for, like built-in codecs and subtitles.

Realplayer isn't bad, and I'd take it any day over Quicktime!

Xvid 960x video works without glitching, but the movie trailers on Apple's website crawl, with dropped frames. It seems to be because it doesn't use overlays, and I can't make it use them either. DirectDraw Acceleration doesn't do it, and disabling it doesn't either.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886787 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:59:33 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886713 starcaptor : A better method is to try to use filters over codecs, considering that so many codecs conflict with each other or come with those GIGANTIC (Nimo, Klite, etc) codec packs which install so much you dont know what is used to play what.

Unless u use alot of Vdub or make DVDs, Combined Community Codec Pack does the job better than any other package I have seen. Plays almost everything under the sun (even h264) thru clever combining of ffsdhow with VSFilter and Haali media aplitter, for those of us who watch anime and need our selectable subs =)

Ironically, the one thing it cant play...you guessed it...RealMedia files >D. Also chokes on Mov files. IMO, the only reason those two players exist is because:

1) For Real, they bundle their player in so many 3rd party apps, and for stuff on Amazon , they demand streaming in no other way, but even WMA is washing away that stronghold.
2) Quicktime exists for movie trailers, thats about it. To play the full HD stuff, you better have some dual core power in your corner...my A64 3200+ with a gig of RAM couldnt do it?!?!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886713 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:41:08 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886620 dadkins : "Codec Packs are not a smart thing to install. Pick and choose what codecs you need so as not to bloat your system up."

No, you did not post "problems", but you seem to think that they "are not a smart thing to install" ... "so as not to bloat your system up."

Would you consider bloat as a problem? I don't. My laptop cruises right along with ALOT of installed and running apps.

Codecs arent used while I'm not playing a media file, and then only one or two when I am(since I have the Pack, I always have the proper one(s) to use).

System efficiency is a good thing. Something like a few codecs aren't anything I have to worry about.(see pic) :D

Since the K-Lite Pack includes MPC(and virtually anything else I will ever need to play files), and it does ask what to associate with MPC... what seems to be the problem?
Remember, I'm not the only person that updates MPC(and codecs) this way.

Tell ya what, obliterate all non-MS codecs and try playing a few media files with MPC. Odds are you will need to go get some codecs.
I will not.
My MPC came in the K-Lite Pack. I have the codecs that will be needed to play *ANY* media file.
I am not alone in getting MPC via K-Lite. My fellow K-Lite users will see that file association page when installing.

Who cares anyways?

Take care friend! :)
David

EDIT: Typo.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886620 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:16:27 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886556 Tripx :
said by dadkins :

said by Schrade :
That's nice, but still moot on the point you're trying to get across (that Media Player Classic asks to associate with files, which it doesn't. That's K-Lite Codec Pack)

...and like I stated, ALOT of people get MPC via the K-Lite Codec Pack.
Nothing but the .exe, no associations upon startup either.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886556 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:00:42 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886535 fegul : The only thing that will make a difference in terms of audio and video playback are the DSP's the program has that will enhance the audio, or hardware acceleration vs. software acceleration for video
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said by dadkins :

Your post about problems with codec packs shows that you haven't used the K-Lite pack. Your choice! :)
I(we), don't seem to be seeing these problems. Your post about problems does not apply.
What problems did I bring up? I don't notice anywhere where I said there were problems. All I mentioned was bloat.

Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886532 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:54:48 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886530 Combat Chuck :
said by dadkins :

...and like I stated, ALOT of people get MPC via the K-Lite Codec Pack.
Media Player Classic is included with many codec packs but if you go out and get MPC it's just a standalone exe file. The dialog asking you what you want MPC to play is the K-lite installers doing and has nothing to do with the installation process of MPC as there is no MPC installation process.

As far as real player the software:
the video and sound quality from real player is, for the most part going to be exactly the same as any other media player on a particular system.
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said by RDins :

realsched.exe

Nuff said.

Turn it off. I did.
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Nuff said.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886494 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:43:49 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886403 dadkins :
said by Schrade :

That's nice, but still moot on the point you're trying to get across (that Media Player Classic asks to associate with files, which it doesn't. That's K-Lite Codec Pack)

...and like I stated, ALOT of people get MPC via the K-Lite Codec Pack.

Ya know, without codecs, MPC chokes on some media files.
Since most people don't want to try and play a file, then find out they need xxxxx codec to play it, then go searching for the codec, they(we) get the K-Lite pack and it just works.

So, they(we) WILL see it doing the same as I posted.

Your post about problems with codec packs shows that you haven't used the K-Lite pack. Your choice! :)
I(we), don't seem to be seeing these problems. Your post about problems does not apply.

Whatever friend, you do it your way, I'll do it my way.

Take care!
David

EDIT: To add pic of MPC via K-Lite Pack.
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- It it always up-to-date with the latest versions of the codecs.
- It is very user-friendly and the installation is fully customizable, meaning that you can install only those components that you really want.
- It has been very well tested, so that the package doesn't contain any conflicting codecs.
- It is a very complete package, containing everything you need to play your movies.

Never had any problems in the years I have been using the K-Lite Pack. :)
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Someone please tell Schrade how worried I am about "bloat"... :D

Let me say this, I can play *ANYTHING*, period. ;)
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said by dadkins :

One more time:
"Ok, I get the newest MPC when I get the newest K-Lite Codec Pack. Many people do as well..."

Ya know, MPC works alot better when it has the codecs needed. This is why ALOT of people just get the K-Lite Pack.

Makes things alot easier.

That screenshot sure looks like it says Media Player Classic... maybe I'm wrong.

You don't seem to get it. That's not how you get Media Player Classic. The link I gave is where you get it. Just because someone includes it with the K-Lite Codec Pack doesn't mean that's the official distribution of it.

Codec Packs are not a smart thing to install. Pick and choose what codecs you need so as not to bloat your system up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886250 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:51:49 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886202 fegul : Outpost FTW ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886202 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:44:37 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886196 dadkins : As for "ads"... anyone see [AD] anywhere on this screenshot?

Ads don't seem to bother me much, if ya know what I mean. ;)
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Anyone wish to verify this for me? :o :D
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or poikosoft.com

I also like using encspot

»www.guerillasoft.co.uk/encspot/
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"Ok, I get the newest MPC when I get the newest K-Lite Codec Pack. Many people do as well..."

Ya know, MPC works alot better when it has the codecs needed. This is why ALOT of people just get the K-Lite Pack.

Makes things alot easier.

That screenshot sure looks like it says Media Player Classic... maybe I'm wrong.
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said by dadkins :

Ok, I get the newest MPC when I get the newest K-Lite Codec Pack. Many people do as well...

See pic. Sure looks like it's asking to me. ;)

That's the K-Lite Codec Pack. That is not Media Player Classic. They just happen to include it in their pack. The official downloads for Media Player Classic are here at SourceForge.net: »sourceforge.net/project/showfile···id=84358]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886086 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:29:12 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886084 dadkins :
said by Bobb :

{No Anti Steve Gibson/GRC stuff please! Great place!}

LMAO! Ok, whatever you say! :D
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See pic. Sure looks like it's asking to me. ;)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886069 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:26:26 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886063 Mele20 : Real Player is better than WMP IMO. They have a much better privacy policy than WMP. They wised up after getting caught a few years ago. Dadkins is correct. It ASKS what files you want associated with it. It doesn't associate any that you don't tell it to. And Rhapsody is sublime. But, Real/Rhapsody has the worst tech support around. So bad that it is even worse than Symantec's and that is saying a lot. I love Rhapsody but every time I break down and get it again...I have some problem and I have to go through incredibly complex hoops that provide no help before I can finally get to be able to contact support and get email support. Then that support is soooo abysmal and I get sooo frustrated that finally I just give up and uninstall Rhapsody and Real again.
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said by fonzbear2000 :

but ive seen people say they dont like it because of poor video or sound quality-not sure where they get that from

Usually this is due to people who put up videos in RealMedia format compressing them far too much. This same thing happens with Windows Media files as well.

It just has to do with the knowledge of the people providing the content. With any compression format you're going to get novices putting up crappily encoded things. Too many people did that with Real files and that's how it got a bad reputation for quality. Not to mention the ....buffering.. That's still a common joke.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15886001 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:14:46 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15885969 sabretooth : i think a lot of the people who put it down do so because of bad experiences with it in the past. i used it a long time ago when it was the only player i could find for real media format files and yes, it was loaded with ads and a pain in the ass to uninstall. i have no doubt that they have improved things in their software since then, but i really have yet to hear any good reasons why it would be a better media player than others like bsplayer or winamp. it really comes down to whichever player has a layout you're comfortable with.

i do agree with people's dislike for windows media player though. i used that longer than anyone ever should and after countless manual codec updates and all that licensing crap for wma formats, i finally gave it up completely. now i'm using nero showtime for video files (i like it's screen capture features) with kazaa codec pack, winamp for all my music, and maybe vlc player for anything that either of those won't handle (like dual audio ogm files). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15885969 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:10:22 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15885939 Bobb : Old, yup!
But will give you a Small idea why real sucked, sucks and will always suck! ;)
{No Anti Steve Gibson/GRC stuff please! Great place!}
»www.grc.com/downloaders.htm

RealNetworks Inc. admitted today its
RealDownload software could be used to track
specific users’ exact download habits

RealNetworks continues to bend the
truth and fails to take responsibility
for the behavior of their software.

My full name, and the private eMail alias I always use
for on-line purchases, was sent out of my computer to one
of Real's servers when I downloaded a file using RealDownload.

Once evil, always evil! ;)
They just have become more sneaky!
And paid off the right people! ;)
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15885939 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:06:03 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15885933 gate1975mlm : I also use Realplayer!! :)

Gives me no problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15885933 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:05:06 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15885911 Schrade :
said by fonzbear2000 :

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm my main issue still on this still isnt being addressed-and that is people saying they dont like real player because it has poorer video and sound quality as compared to other media players

Perhaps if you had asked about the RealMedia codecs, then people would address that. You asked about the player itself and people have voiced that it is utter crap.

said by dadkins :

MPC even asks what files to associate with MPC(Onoes!).
Mine behaves, can't say why other people have a hard time with it.
Totally and utterly false. Media Player Classic doesn't have an install. It's just an .exe you run. When it starts up it doesn't bug you for associations or EULAs or anything. You have to go into its options area to associate it with files or choose 'Open With...' via Windows' menus and select it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15885911 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:02:10 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15885751 dadkins : No idea about the ads... mine is set to play(and rip to 320kbps MP3) as soon as the CD is inserted, so by the time song #1 is finished(usually)... I have the CD ripped! :D

Sometimes when an update is issued, the settings need to be reset to your(his)personal prefs.
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Bobb, yeah, I know. Thing is, RealPlayer is different now than compared to what it was 10 years ago. ;)

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Howie, Aint Rhapsody cool! (Replay Music makes it even better!) :D
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said by fonzbear2000 :

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm my main issue still on this still isnt being addressed-and that is people saying they dont like real player because it has poorer video and sound quality as compared to other media players

Who is "they"? You asked HERE "so why are people against real player?" and they told you. The dislike of it apparently has nothing to do with quality so much as other issues.
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The "rumors" you've probably been hearing are merely a factual account of Real's past. If Real did today what they used to do, they would currently be considered a first-party spyware and adware vendor. They've employed many, many dirty tricks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15885164 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:22:18 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15885158 Bobb :
said by dadkins :

Because it's the "IN" thing to do.
I play HD Quicktime videos in Real because it plays them better than Quicktime does! ;)

Hatred of Realplayer isn't new! Been going on for at least ten years!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15885158 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:21:06 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15885153 fonzbear2000 : hmmmmmmmmmmmmm my main issue still on this still isnt being addressed-and that is people saying they dont like real player because it has poorer video and sound quality as compared to other media players
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said by dadkins :

Because, years ago, it would try to do things that people didn't like.

I use it! I actually like RealPlayer! Yeah, I said it!

As for trying to take over... it ASKS what files you want associated with Real. Alot like QT does(and other player softwares).

MPC even asks what files to associate with MPC(Onoes!).
Mine behaves, can't say why other people have a hard time with it.

I don't mind realplayer either. I tend to prefer it over windows media player. (I don't know why, but i hate wmp!)
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One thing i absolutely hate about WMP is the stupid news and entertainment section that is stuffed into there. I don't care about the music, movies, and entertainment news when i load my media player - i just want to play videos!

BSPlayer is my video player of choice.
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I play HD Quicktime videos in Real because it plays them better than Quicktime does! ;)
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Going online without permission, installing other junk, doing things it shouldn't, just does a whole bunch of things behind the scenes that get annoying, etc.
Was listed as Spyware for a while, don't know if it still is, I doubt it, nowadays you can pay to be unlisted! ;)

Real Alternative 1.48 Final
»www.free-codecs.com/download/Rea···tive.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15884610 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:08:13 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15884606 dadkins : Because, years ago, it would try to do things that people didn't like.

I use it! I actually like RealPlayer! Yeah, I said it!

As for trying to take over... it ASKS what files you want associated with Real. Alot like QT does(and other player softwares).

MPC even asks what files to associate with MPC(Onoes!).
Mine behaves, can't say why other people have a hard time with it.
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I can't believe anyone would ever use it.

I feel the same way about Windows Media Player.

If I want to just play some audio files I use XMPlay.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15884369 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:36:03 EDT Re: why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15884323 Kilroy : Because it loads stuff we don't want and attempts to make everything run through Real Player.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15884323 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:28:47 EDT why do people put the real player down? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15884245 fonzbear2000 : quite a few times, ive seen people say that the real player sucks-i listened to an mp3 through both real and winamp and they sounded exactly the same-i watched a video on both and they looked and sounded exactly the same-so, why are people against real player?
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