Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? in Verizon Fiber Optics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15941392 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:40:57 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:40:57 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16375667 DonLibes :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

said by JTRockville See Profile :

Verizon is supposed to be at the TAC meeting on June 21st. Why not go and let us know what you find out?
Did anyone go?
Did Verizon show?
Here are some notes and commentary on this week's meeting.

»libes.com/don/blog/2006/06/no-sh···und.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16375667 Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:05:42 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16368332 nasadude :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

Yep. Is that orange conduit in the city proper?
No. I live about 2 miles west of 270, off Rt. 28. This conduit would have come up from the south, along Travilah road; I have seen the same stuff along Glen Rd. which is south of here. I think that's somewhere in the area where Don Libes lives.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16368332 Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:22:57 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16362323 BarneyBadAss : Come on Don,

Tell us what you really think ;)

(Oh, and I suspect I agree), like I said earlier, everyday I'm more convinced a bunch of kids in the ages of K-3 can sort this nonsense out better than those in office now.
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said by JTRockville See Profile :

Are you sure he's not planning to stick around as county exec? I saw the headline about his pulling out of the Gov race, but I didn't read the article.
According to the Post, Duncan will finish out his term and will not run again. Given that I've never agreed with his telecomm-related decisions, I'd recommend he step down immediately. At his most recent annual meeting with his own advisory committee on telecomm issues, he didn't even show. And if really believes what he said ("Now it's time for me to focus on my health"), then he's got his own reasons to step down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16361259 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:00:49 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16360759 JTRockville :
said by nasadude See Profile :

... isn't the orange conduit what they pull the fiber thru?
Yep. Is that orange conduit in the city proper?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16360759 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:49:10 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16360754 JTRockville : Are you sure he's not planning to stick around as county exec? I saw the headline about his pulling out of the Gov race, but I didn't read the article.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16360754 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:48:06 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16360322 Lenagainster : "Anyway, the "knothead" responsible for this particular mess (County Executive Doug Duncan) won't even be on the ballot again, will he? (the County ballot, that is)"

Looks like Doug is bowing out of politics altogether.

Progress on the horizon?

Lena]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16360322 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:46:47 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16359855 nasadude : well crap.

IMHO, looks like verizon is waiting for a national franchise bill. It will be interesting to see what the July construction schedule looks like for Montgomery county. This is really irritating to me, as the pole across the street has orange conduit run up it, all coiled up and ready to go - isn't the orange conduit what they pull the fiber thru?

[sarcasm] oh well, all us comcast customers can be happy, we have POWERBOOST now! [/sarcasm]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16359855 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:27:39 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16358178 BarneyBadAss : JT,

Why would they atttend if they can't get anything accomplished there???

Hmmmm.... seems like the dog's not trying to hunt... more like they are waiting to see if either a state or a national bill will be passed to handle all the franchising nonsensee...

Personally, I'd like to see all the elected officials in the county be recalled and we vote in a bunch of kids from grades K-3 to run the place...

Everyday I'm more convinced the kids could make better decisions for all of us here in the county!
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---Barney]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16358178 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:59:38 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16357422 JTRockville : I heard it at the TAC meeting I attended in April. Just goes to show you can't believe everything you hear at a TAC meeting. :huh:

I think they said Verizon was invited but at that time it wasn't yet confirmed. I'm really surprised Verizon would pass up the opportunity to speak to the TAC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16357422 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:10:13 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16357107 DonLibes :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

said by JTRockville See Profile :

Verizon is supposed to be at the TAC meeting on June 21st. Why not go and let us know what you find out?
Did anyone go?
Did Verizon show?
I attended and am writing up notes now - there was a fair amount of disinformation distributed which took me several phone calls and emails today to untangle - I'm still waiting for some more to figure out what's really going on. In answer to your specific question: there was no Verizon representative present. Wasn't even on the agenda. Where'd you hear that from anyway?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16357107 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:29:01 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16355769 JTRockville :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

said by Hopeless in MC :

Any new info is much appreciated!!!
Verizon is supposed to be at the TAC meeting on June 21st. Why not go and let us know what you find out?
Did anyone go?
Did Verizon show?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16355769 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:07:52 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16302267 JTRockville : !!! Excellent news, BarneyBadAss See Profile !!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16302267 Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:24:20 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16302190 BarneyBadAss : Well,

The nice folks at Vz. just left.. and I've got FIOS at my MDU.

The nice person that did this said I was the 1st one in an MDU they knew of that has been Fibered up...

So in a little bit.. it'll be.. bu by ComCast... Yippie!!! no more nonsense for me!!
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said by SD6 See Profile :

said by JTRockville See Profile :

Here's the PR on the VA legislation:
»newscenter.verizon.com/proactive···id=93304
and the actual legislative text was linked in a previous thread. I knew the status in April, but I am trying to figure out GeorgeJ's remarks whether there has been some hiccup in the process or whether he's talking about something that happend before April.
I have not really kept abreast of Virginia legislation. In March I received information from a city employee of which I am sharing a bit of what they said. It would appear at that point in time they were under the impression that some sort of Virginia law would take effect July 1st. Whether this has changed, I have no idea.

I am paraphrasing what I received from the city at mid-March 2006:

They claimed Verizon had "still not submitted anything to the City."

There was speculation this might be they are waiting to see what happens with proposed legislation addressing the cable television and telecommunications franchising/right-of-way fees. etc. and plan to submit under the new
process.

I was told the Virginia Governor signed legislation, which will take effect July 1. At that time I was told the new legislation would still require Verizon to have to submit an application to the City to begin the process.

I was told the city is as eager as me to see competition, but could not initiate the process themselves under current federal law or the new state legislation. This confused me a bit, as I understand that technically Verizon must likely formally approach the city (e.g. "initiate the process"), however in that other Virginia jurisdictions seem to continue to come to understandings with Verizon, it is not clear why this has not also somehow been taking place in Alexandria. Alexandria has dream geographic and demographic parameters for a service that Verizon would offer. Geographically it is a comparatively small land area to cable out. It has a highly educated, affluent population. In fact, it was among the first areas in the U.S. to begin to receive cable Internet service in the 1990's, when many areas could not.

Again, my gut feeling is that Verizon must have put out feelers, and either the city was simply too slow moving or incapable of deciding on a suitable operating agreement(city staff moves very slowly compared to Fairfax and other jurisdictions, in particular on technology related matters); they wanted too much in respect to fees, rights of way parameters, providing comp services, etc.; the incumbent cable operator has been able to stifle or slow the process down(possible, as they are very politically active in Alexandria).

Hope this helps. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16271755 Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:47:36 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16271534 JTRockville : Is the "ordinance franchise" the same as a statewide franchise?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16271534 Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:15:46 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16270482 SD6 :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

Here's the PR on the VA legislation:
»newscenter.verizon.com/proactive···id=93304
and the actual legislative text was linked in a previous thread. I knew the status in April, but I am trying to figure out GeorgeJ's remarks whether there has been some hiccup in the process or whether he's talking about something that happend before April. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16270482 Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:31:26 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16268556 JTRockville : Here's the PR on the VA legislation:
»newscenter.verizon.com/proactive···id=93304

It's referred to as an "ordinance franchise", not a statewide franchise. I haven't had time to comb through it to see what (if any) the difference is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16268556 Fri, 09 Jun 2006 08:29:35 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16267264 SD6 :
said by GeorgeJ2 See Profile :

However, one would think the local muni. workers are following what is going on. I know they are here in Alexandria, Virginia as I got a response back from the cable administrator's office indicating such. I was also told they are following legislation pertaining to a Virginia statewide franchise.
I thought the Governor indicated he would sign the Virginia legislation. Is there some other recent development?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16267264 Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:55:20 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16265988 BarneyBadAss :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

I hate it when you put words in my mouth Barney!! I actually like living in Rockville (well, just outside of Rockville, surrounded by the majestic Rock Creek park).
:p

You put words in SD6's mouth too! You made it look like SD6 is calling us SHEEP!!

Anyway, the "knothead" responsible for this particular mess (County Executive Doug Duncan) won't even be on the ballot again, will he? (the County ballot, that is)
My appologies to both SD6 n' JT; didn't mean for that post to appear as I were putting words in thier mouths...

Honestly, my appologies! Bahhhh.... Bahhhhhhh...... Bahhhhh...
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said by Hopeless in MC :

Any new info is much appreciated!!!
Verizon is supposed to be at the TAC meeting on June 21st. Why not go and let us know what you find out?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16265740 Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:12:55 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16265635 GeorgeJ2 :
said by Hopeless in MC :

Is the possibility of Verizon FIOS getting a Cable TV Franchise in Montgomery County anytime soon DEAD? I have herd nothing new for about a month or so and am guessing that Verizon has given up. Any new info to the contrary out there? I really want to tell Comcast to go screw themselves and there overpriced cable TV, but am thinking I will never get this opportunity. Any new info is much appreciated!!!
Your best hope may be the debate Congress is undertaking respecting a national franchise. I say debate, as present House legislation has a national franchise provision, but not sure if the Senate bill does, and who knows what would happen in Conference. However, one would think the local muni. workers are following what is going on. I know they are here in Alexandria, Virginia as I got a response back from the cable administrator's office indicating such. I was also told they are following legislation pertaining to a Virginia statewide franchise. So, the current rationale for not letting a local franchise agreement to Verizon is Verizon has not formally requested such(hard for me to believe), and they are waiting on national and state legislation. To be honest it sounds like baloney, as I see no reason they could not have moved forward on coming to some sort of understanding. My gut feeling is they want the moon, and it is more than Verizon thinks reasonable to buildout a system. But hey, that is what the local Alexandria Crats have been putting out for public consumption. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16265635 Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:55:11 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16265478 anon : Is the possibility of Verizon FIOS getting a Cable TV Franchise in Montgomery County anytime soon DEAD? I have herd nothing new for about a month or so and am guessing that Verizon has given up. Any new info to the contrary out there? I really want to tell Comcast to go screw themselves and there overpriced cable TV, but am thinking I will never get this opportunity. Any new info is much appreciated!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16265478 Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:29:20 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16262768 JTRockville : I hate it when you put words in my mouth Barney!! I actually like living in Rockville (well, just outside of Rockville, surrounded by the majestic Rock Creek park).
:p

You put words in SD6's mouth too! You made it look like SD6 is calling us SHEEP!!

Anyway, the "knothead" responsible for this particular mess (County Executive Doug Duncan) won't even be on the ballot again, will he? (the County ballot, that is)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16262768 Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:45:39 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16262329 BarneyBadAss :
said by SD6 See Profile :

said by JTRockville See Profile :

yea, sucks to live in Rockville, MC is not much better. you probably don't want to hear this, but where you live, local government is not at all responsive to letter writing campaigns - it's about political connections.
And the unfortunate part about this is the SHEEP in MC won't do anything to vote these knotheads out of office and put in folks that have rational thinking. What a pity.

Note: Edited because I didn't mean to put words in anyone elses mouth (or from thier finger tips if you prefer)!
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said by JTRockville See Profile :

said by SD6 See Profile :

Judging from Libes' website, I would say VZ has slowed deployment because of the high rates MC is charging to let them install fiber.
That's not MC, that's Rockville. It's called "protection". Without it, those of us in Rockville and surrounding areas might be directly exposed to lightning fast, reliable, inexpensive internet connections. I don't think every jurisdiction within the county offers this kind of "protection".
:huh:
yea, sucks to live in Rockville, MC is not much better. you probably don't want to hear this, but where you live, local government is not at all responsive to letter writing campaigns - it's about political connections.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16258416 Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:46:07 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16256185 BarneyBadAss :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

It's called "protection". Without it, those of us in Rockville and surrounding areas might be directly exposed to lightning fast, reliable, inexpensive internet connections. I don't think every jurisdiction within the county offers this kind of "protection".
:huh:
You mean they are protecting themselves from folks in Rockville from being able to find out information about Rockville the leaders would prefer you remain ignorant about? :uhh:
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---Barney]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16256185 Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:23:45 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16255216 JTRockville :
said by SD6 See Profile :

Judging from Libes' website, I would say VZ has slowed deployment because of the high rates MC is charging to let them install fiber.
That's not MC, that's Rockville. It's called "protection". Without it, those of us in Rockville and surrounding areas might be directly exposed to lightning fast, reliable, inexpensive internet connections. I don't think every jurisdiction within the county offers this kind of "protection".
:huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16255216 Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:55:02 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16255200 JTRockville : Have you written to anyone about it nasadude See Profile?

This might go on for years if they think no one is watching.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16255200 Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:52:49 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16254494 nasadude : yes, I was also depressed by the June FIOS construction schedule.

It would appear that verizon has pretty much ceased construction in Monkey county because of the franchise issue. I guess they are waiting until a national franchise bill gets passed or the county completely caves on the franchise requirements.

what an f'ing mess - reminds me of how long it took to get cable TV in the county.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16254494 Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:50:38 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16254302 SD6 :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

I haven't heard back yet (it's only been a few hours since I sent it). I wasn't expecting a reply - I was just hoping they'd publish it. Then, maybe others who are in black holes will read my letter and wonder why VZ halted deployment in MC, and we could all storm the County Executive's office together.
:D
Judging from Libes' website, I would say VZ has slowed deployment because of the high rates MC is charging to let them install fiber. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16254302 Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:15:04 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16252832 JTRockville : Would you be willing to mount a high-gain antenna on the roof of your building and shoot some of that FiOS down here?

I haven't heard back yet (it's only been a few hours since I sent it). I wasn't expecting a reply - I was just hoping they'd publish it. Then, maybe others who are in black holes will read my letter and wonder why VZ halted deployment in MC, and we could all storm the County Executive's office together.
:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16252832 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:22:16 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16252534 BarneyBadAss : JT,

Did you get a reply????

I'll bet I can guess what it is :mad:

If'n I can lend you a hand; just yodel...
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---Barney]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16252534 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:32:21 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16251833 JTRockville : Excellent news!

I, on the other hand, pulled myself out of a deep depression (brought on by VZ's June construction schedule), and wrote this to the Gazette:

said by JT, to Tom Grant, cc'd to Steve Earley :
Greetings Tom Grant,

I read a recent article by Steve Earley regarding Verizon's television franchise in Laurel City ("Verizon cable coming to Laurel city"). Residents of Laurel, like those of Bowie, Fairfax City, Fairfax County, and Howard County, will enjoy the benefits of competitive television service as well as the most advanced internet service in the USA. According to the article, Laurel residents (and the others who live in areas where Verizon FiOS TV is available) can get their television service for a much lower price than they are paying now.

In the fall of 2004, Verizon began upgrading services in Montgomery County, and quite a few people can already get FiOS internet service. But if you look at Verizon's construction schedule, deployment of upgraded services in Montgomery County has practically stopped. This is extremely unfortunate for people like me, who live in a "black hole" - a place too far from Verizon's office to qualify for DSL.

Why are some of us left with only plain old telephone service from Verizon, while others get upgrades? Why hasn't Montgomery County negotiated a television franchise with Verizon?

What's the hold up here? Some of us in Montgomery County would like to receive modern services! We're anxious to enjoy the other benefits of competition, like lower prices and improved customer service.

J* T*, Rockville
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16251833 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:00:55 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16251487 BarneyBadAss : I just got a call from Vz. Fios.

They just told me it's available here at my MDU!! :p

Unfortunately, while we were talking, the rep and I got disconnected, dunno what really happened... so... I'll have to ring them up in the A.M.

But it seems certain SOME MDU's in Montgomery County are ready for activation and installation!

Woooo Woooo !

I can hardly keep myself contained!!

---Minor edit for clarification... I keep calling (it's 22:30 now) and thier stupid answering machine says they are closed... Gezzzz... all this time I thought they wanted to sell this stuff
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---Barney]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16251487 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:14:59 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16191410 HouseHome : Good one Barney

I've had Verizon DSL since 2000. I'm reasonably satisfied with the service. A'int great, but, better than dial up. My attitude toward Verizon is rapidly heading south because of the FIOS mess.

I get fliers all the time, in my newspaper and in the mail regarding FIOS. But calling Verizon FIOS is a big waste of time regarding availability. No one knows anything. Fiber was strung almost two years ago and that's the last thing anyone on my side of route 29 has seen of FIOS. I've given up. No use wasting anymore time or energy hoping that FIOS will ever materialize. If it ever does get here in my neighborhood, I'm probably not going to sign up. As far as I'm concerned, Verizon is no better than Comcast! And that's pretty bad.

House]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16191410 Mon, 29 May 2006 00:25:40 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16189441 BarneyBadAss : Well.. no FIOS isn't here ... JUST YET.. they've been busy getting all the units in the MDU all wired and all the underground fiber all put together.

Then, someone comes by every couple of days and leaves these freakin' folders saying "FIOS IS COMMING; FIOS IS COMMING".. and these things sound like it's actually here.

When you call Vz. they seem dumb founded that you are even getting these fliers... I dunno... this seems like a reasonalbe way to run a train... especially if you are expecting a train wreck
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---Barney]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16189441 Sun, 28 May 2006 18:17:15 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16166506 HouseHome : NeedFOSpeed

No FIOS yet. This is the most bizzare deployment ever! The only humans that seem to know just what the plan(s) is, apparently, are the "engineers". For a business or corporation that bills itself as a "communications" company this lack of information just drives most of us common folk crazy!!! I've given up any hope of ever finding out when or if FIOS will ever come my way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16166506 Wed, 24 May 2006 23:11:42 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16163162 NeedFOSpeed : I am in the 20910 zip in a APT called summit hills.

IS FIOS THERE YET???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16163162 Wed, 24 May 2006 14:50:26 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16151852 HouseHome : Hey Barney!!

I live in the 20901 zip code - near four corners (about 1 mile).

Where is your CO? My CO is the one on Georgia Avenue. Do you know whether it has been wired yet?

House]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16151852 Mon, 22 May 2006 22:43:46 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16150573 BarneyBadAss :
said by Lenagainster See Profile :

Signed up for FiOS on a Saturday (online); installed ten days later (Tuesday, 4/4/06). Install smooth as silk, no glitches yet. Live in 20901 (Silver Spring, Mont. Co.) Have one of those ugly distribution boxes right opposite my driveway. Can't wait to get my phone number ported to VOIP and I'll be paying less than I was for DSL + POTS.

Lena
Put up your addy so we can drive down your street during a snow storm and see if we can't knock out the ugly distribution box for you.... then perhaps they will come in and put up a pretty pink one or perhaps one with a flower box on it :)
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---Barney]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16150573 Mon, 22 May 2006 19:43:54 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16120163 DonLibes :
said by DonLibes See Profile :

said by JTRockville See Profile :

Did anyone go to Rockville's meeting? Did they vote in favor of "encouraging Verizon to install FTTP"?

Exactly how to they plan to "encourage" Verizon to install FTTP anyway? From what I understand, Verizon doesn't need encouragement - they want to install FTTP. The only thing Verizon needs is permission from Rockville for the upgrade. The document linked to in the agenda item indicates that Rockville isn't stopping Verizon from installing FTTP, which is rather curious since Verizon has already installed FTTP in a sizable portion of Montgomery County - parts that don't offer "protection" from Verizon. Why is an extra agreement necessary in Rockville?

Was this clarified in the meeting?
I went to the meeting and, as soon as I'm done getting tortured by my taxes, plan to write up the, um, experience with some of the more lurid details.

But in short, yes, they voted as they promised they would but they spent most of their time demonizing Verizon. If I had been a Verizon VP, I'd have walked out and swore never to return.
Better late than never: »libes.com/don/blog/2006/05/rockv···uum.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16120163 Thu, 18 May 2006 01:01:30 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15972983 Lenagainster : Yes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15972983 Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:40:35 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15968700 JTRockville : Oh Lena, I'm drooling! One of those distribution boxes (aka Fiber Distribution Hub) would look marvelous opposite the driveway from me.

Would your area code/extension be one of these, if you had a Verizon wired line?
301-649 301-905 301-754 301-592 301-593 301-681]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15968700 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:36:32 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15968642 Lenagainster : Signed up for FiOS on a Saturday (online); installed ten days later (Tuesday, 4/4/06). Install smooth as silk, no glitches yet. Live in 20901 (Silver Spring, Mont. Co.) Have one of those ugly distribution boxes right opposite my driveway. Can't wait to get my phone number ported to VOIP and I'll be paying less than I was for DSL + POTS.

Lena]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15968642 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:26:58 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15948110 JTRockville :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

Surely Comcast knows I don't live in Howard County!
Oops, I meant to say... surely Verizon knows I don't live in Howard County!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15948110 Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:40:27 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15947978 PGHammer : This insert is in *all* VZ wireline phone bills sent to Maryland customers (I'm in Prince George's County (and not in Bowie) and have the same insert.) This was *inserted* at the VZ Maryland billing office in Baltimore, as is required by FCC regulations regarding video services and applies to FIOS TV (as the insert itself states); when service goes live in Bowie, this insert will be modified to add Bowie's information. It has nothing to do with Comcast (except that their own bills have a similar insert).

So they aren't teasing; they are simply following the requirements set forth by the FCC in providing this information.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15947978 Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:10:26 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15944112 JTRockville : Oh, the irony...

Look what I found on my wired phone bill. (Yes, I am still holding on to one wired line with the bare minimum usage plan). Surely Comcast knows I don't live in Howard County!

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Click for full size
What a Tease
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15944112 Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:30:51 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15941993 JTRockville : I heard one of the state legislators speak at a PTA meeting a few months ago. She said because of the enormous amount of revenue that MCMD shares with everyone else in the state, everyone thinks "Montgomery County streets are paved with gold."

Frankly, I'd rather have streets that are lined with glass than paved with gold.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15941993 Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:26:30 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15941936 cbrain :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

Sad to say, the consumer perspective didn't much enter into that part of the conversation.

During the "brochure" discussion, the members did explore ways to reach out to the community so they could hear what the issues were, but someone noted that if they mentioned "Comcast" at the next cocktail party, they'd get an earful. Everyone laughed, then moved on to the next topic. It wasn't the only pot-shot taken at Comcast during the meeting, so the group must be aware that people are eager for competition (unless they just think people like to complain).

Since the TAC seems to be very willing to write letters, I was disappointed that no one suggested writing to the County Executive urging that the franchise negotiations be given a heightened priority. Maybe they see Verizon's entry as a conflict of interest since everyone seemed to agree it would reduce revenue, so perhaps no one is interested in speeding up the process.
Isn't it nice to see our taxes supporting county employees so committed to keeping our franchise fees from declining. I guess it's a matter of priority. No wonder we enjoy this level of service. I guess these fees keep our taxes low. And how does Montgomery County compare to other Maryland counties in taxation?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15941936 Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:20:08 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15941720 JTRockville : Sad to say, the consumer perspective didn't much enter into that part of the conversation.

During the "brochure" discussion, the members did explore ways to reach out to the community so they could hear what the issues were, but someone noted that if they mentioned "Comcast" at the next cocktail party, they'd get an earful. Everyone laughed, then moved on to the next topic. It wasn't the only pot-shot taken at Comcast during the meeting, so the group must be aware that people are eager for competition (unless they just think people like to complain).

Since the TAC seems to be very willing to write letters, I was disappointed that no one suggested writing to the County Executive urging that the franchise negotiations be given a heightened priority. Maybe they see Verizon's entry as a conflict of interest since everyone seemed to agree it would reduce revenue, so perhaps no one is interested in speeding up the process.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15941720 Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:46:04 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15941392 cbrain :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

... Much more time was spent discussing (speculating) about legislation at the federal level and the impact it (and competition) would have on county revenue.
Did anyone show interest in providing the best possible service or options to the paying customer?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15941392 Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:04:11 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15941124 JTRockville : I'm pretty sure Verizon has not officially filed an application for a television franchise yet. Everyone seemed satisfied with the tidbit that negotiations were "progressing" (which is indeed good news, albeit vague). To my recollection, no one asked any direct questions of Jane regarding the progress or expected time frame.

Much more time was spent discussing (speculating) about legislation at the federal level and the impact it (and competition) would have on county revenue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15941124 Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:02:46 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15941049 DonLibes :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

... Jane said that even with all the talk of a Federal video franchise bill, negotiations with Verizon were progressing. There is a 5 hour meeting scheduled for Friday to go over all the points of agreement and disagreement.
So have they officially filed for a franchise? Or is this just more pre-filing negotation?

5 hours doesn't sound promising at all. But from that recent FCC filing, we knew they were miles apart. Was the announcement of this marathon meeting really all that Jane said on the matter?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15941049 Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:45:59 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15936637 JTRockville : Yes, it was the most positive news I'd heard about Verizon's FTTP plans in quite a long time. But I'm skeptical as well - I won't believe it until I see spools of orange conduit rolling down the street.

At any rate, here's my version of what happened at the meeting:

Federal Franchise vs Local Franchise

Margie and Jane opened the meeting with discussions about the Federal level video franchise. They noted that hardly anything that's happened so far at the Federal level was revenue-neutral to the locals, so a Federal franchise would most likely mean a loss of revenue for Montgomery County. Fees collected in MCMD are currently 5% Franchise Fee + 3% PEG support, but most Federal proposals are considering 5% FF + 1% PEG. It was pointed out that revenue might also be lost because prices may drop once effective competition is introduced. Someone suggested that consumption always rises, so just because prices may be lower, people may purchase more, so revenue won't be adversely impacted. Then someone else pointed out that increased consumption may come in the form of internet streams or other online video sources which don't provide revenue to the county. No one mentioned customers could potentially return from satellite services, which would positively impact county revenue. Jane said that even with all the talk of a Federal video franchise bill, negotiations with Verizon were progressing. There is a 5 hour meeting scheduled for Friday to go over all the points of agreement and disagreement. Everyone was hopeful that Verizon's game plan might be to settle with us before any Federal franchise legislation was signed, because general consensus was that Federal legislation would not be passed before the elections in November. Jane did indicate some adverse effects that federal legislation would have on our local ROW management - for example, we would no longer be able to inspection for service quality and verification of buildout plans. She noted that if enforcement of these issues had to come from FCC then there probably wouldn't be any.

Who Can Understand the Budget?

The budget was reviewed. Questions were raised during the last TAC meeting, but no one could remember what they were. Some clarification was given about the shuffling of money from somewhere else to county cable 6 so that administration costs for the channel are more accurately reflected. Resolved: A letter regarding TAC's budget recommendations will be sent prior to next week's deadline.

In a Word: Unresponsive

Both Comcast's and RCN's response to the TAC letter regarding their compliance with federal close captioning rules was unresponsive. One of the members who is familiar with the rules said that all first-run programming must be captioned, and 30% of pre-run programming must be captioned, but that isn't the reply another member got by phoning Comcast. It was noted that Food network is always captioned at the gym, but never at home. Jane pointed out that since this is a federal rule, enforcement must be done at the federal level. Resolved: A new letter from TAC to the cable office will be drafted that will provide examples of non-compliance, and will ask the cable office to request evidence of compliance from Comcast and RCN.

The Brochure Saga Continues

The county's lawyer is unable to attend May's meeting, but Praisner was available and she can possibly untangle some of the legal issues regarding distribution of the brochure. Comcast puts out their own brochure, and their privacy policy, which was included in last month's bill. Jane pointed out that for the last 3 years the cable office has not approved Comcast's policy, which doesn't stop them from implementing it, but their stance may assist someone who lodges a complaint.

Comcast Will Attend May 17 Meeting

RCN will be invited too. Some questions planned for Comcast are as follows:

1)Comcast complaints have fallen, what changed?
2)How can we get PEG information on digital guide so that shows can be TiVO'd and "info" button has something to display.

Verizon Invited to Attend June 21 Meeting

Verizon will be invited to attend the June 21 advisory meeting, at which time they hope to report that they've already filed an application for a television franchise.

More PEG Exposure Please

For some reason, the Washington Post is no longer listing our PEGs in their TV Guide, even though they used to. Someone suggested that the Gazette may be willing to provide listings as a community service. Someone else pointed out that PEGs are offered on DirecTV in Connecticut.

That's about it. I'm sure I glossed over or missed some issues, so my apologies in advance for not being a more proficient note taker.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15936637 Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:10:36 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15932351 DonLibes :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

I went. I was the only citizen who showed up. Is that par for the course?

If I had to boil the whole thing down to one sentence, it would be this:

Verizon will be invited to attend the June 21 advisory meeting, at which time they hope to report that they've already filed an application for a television franchise.

I'll provide the gory details of the meeting as soon as I get a chance to type them up.
Sounds positive. Am I misinterpreting you? On the other hand, if the Cable Office is predicting something 2 months out that should've happened a year ago, I'm not going to hold my breath.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15932351 Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:07:21 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15931962 JTRockville : I went. I was the only citizen who showed up. Is that par for the course?

If I had to boil the whole thing down to one sentence, it would be this:

Verizon will be invited to attend the June 21 advisory meeting, at which time they hope to report that they've already filed an application for a television franchise.

I'll provide the gory details of the meeting as soon as I get a chance to type them up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15931962 Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:06:47 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15922738 anon : I live in Germantown, MD. I just sign up Verizon Fios today. The installation date will be April 26. Can't wait to cancel Comcast internet. They suck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15922738 Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:10:52 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15921503 DonLibes : Can anyone attend the MC advisory meeting tomorrow (Wednesday) evening and take notes? I cannot make it. More info including the date/time/location are in my blog's most recent entry.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15921503 Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:05:01 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15910459 JTRockville : Well, I thought by now the City of Rockville might have been shamed into backing off. I was hoping 2006 might be the year I finally get network services from Verizon. But my hopes are pretty much dashed now.

Maybe I should look more seriously into filing a lawsuit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15910459 Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:18:16 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15907810 BarneyBadAss :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

I look forward to reading about it, even though your initial assessment sounds disappointing.
And this should surprise us? Hmmmmm.....
--
---Barney]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15907810 Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:09:27 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15907351 JTRockville : I wish I could have witnessed the torture first hand, but I'm out of town for Spring Break.

I look forward to reading about it, even though your initial assessment sounds disappointing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15907351 Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:49:38 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15905210 anon : i live in the borderline of potomac and bethedsa ( montgomery mall) and i have fios :) 15/2 its really good but the router they provide sucks :S its a DLINK and dlink are the worse :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15905210 Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:21:16 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15902357 joncrane : I'm just getting ready for the torture myself. Looking forward to your writeup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15902357 Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:01:21 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15896961 DonLibes :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

Did anyone go to Rockville's meeting? Did they vote in favor of "encouraging Verizon to install FTTP"?

Exactly how to they plan to "encourage" Verizon to install FTTP anyway? From what I understand, Verizon doesn't need encouragement - they want to install FTTP. The only thing Verizon needs is permission from Rockville for the upgrade. The document linked to in the agenda item indicates that Rockville isn't stopping Verizon from installing FTTP, which is rather curious since Verizon has already installed FTTP in a sizable portion of Montgomery County - parts that don't offer "protection" from Verizon. Why is an extra agreement necessary in Rockville?

Was this clarified in the meeting?
I went to the meeting and, as soon as I'm done getting tortured by my taxes, plan to write up the, um, experience with some of the more lurid details.

But in short, yes, they voted as they promised they would but they spent most of their time demonizing Verizon. If I had been a Verizon VP, I'd have walked out and swore never to return.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15896961 Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:32:24 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15896902 JTRockville : Did anyone go to Rockville's meeting? Did they vote in favor of "encouraging Verizon to install FTTP"?

Exactly how to they plan to "encourage" Verizon to install FTTP anyway? From what I understand, Verizon doesn't need encouragement - they want to install FTTP. The only thing Verizon needs is permission from Rockville for the upgrade. The document linked to in the agenda item indicates that Rockville isn't stopping Verizon from installing FTTP, which is rather curious since Verizon has already installed FTTP in a sizable portion of Montgomery County - parts that don't offer "protection" from Verizon. Why is an extra agreement necessary in Rockville?

Was this clarified in the meeting?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15896902 Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:22:56 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15892093 anon : i gave up and got comcast. the tech showed up late and we had to reschedule before that, and the service wasnt even available by the time he left. i had to call tech support a couple days later on Monday to get the prob fixed. But as soon as the thing was up and running, its fine. Sure, upload sucks and the pings could definitely be better, but its a hell of a lot better than dial-up, which is our only other option for internet access.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15892093 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:24:24 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880993 SaltiDawg :
said by PoloDude See Profile :

how bout we get rid of the IRS as it is a huge waste of money with regulations that they cant even interpret correctly
You just keep changing the subject looking to get a rise out of people with rediculous assertions. I'm not playin'.

Ploink.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880993 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:07:58 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880796 PoloDude : how bout we get rid of the IRS as it is a huge waste of money with regulations that they cant even interpret correctly (IRS hot line last year was wrong about 30% last year according to one report i read)go to a flat tax or sales tax and yes also trim down the DOD
Remember the whole point was that as a rule government agencies do not have to worry about a bottom line. when is the last time your taxes went down?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880796 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:30:05 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880242 SaltiDawg :
said by PoloDude See Profile :

right the SEC and the FCC are both regulatory agencies neither of which can the private sector get involved with. The Federal reserve is the same thing but it is technically a corporation.(hard not to make a profit when you print the money :) ...
PoloDude,

The above makes no sense to me at all. In any event, the Government groups exist generally to provide a service hopefully in an efficient or cost-effective manner. Private industry generally provides goods or services generally for a profit, or at least for enough income to cover expenses.

With your perspective the IRS would seem to be a money-making operation. Actually it provides services such as collection of taxes and enforcement of tax laws and regulations. I guess we should keep the IRS and do away with DOD. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880242 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:20:39 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15878501 joncrane : Ok I got one for ya:

FDIC

membership is voluntary so you can't say they're a monopoly like the SEC or the FCC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15878501 Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:30:10 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15873022 PoloDude : right the SEC and the FCC are both regulatory agencies neither of which can the private sector get involved with. The Federal reserve is the same thing but it is technically a corporation.(hard not to make a profit when you print the money :)
The DMV in NY has gotten a lot better also but again is a government only biz.
Again i would rather put up with fighting my local broadband,tv,phone supplier then the alternative.
-Hi i'm here from the DOT/parks/assessors/permit/erosion control office and you are having a problem with your router? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15873022 Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:23:54 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15872893 TheOtherPete :
said by joncrane See Profile :

PoloDude,
Pretty sure the SEC and the FCC both operate on a net gain.
Uh, what does that prove? Let's see, we pass a law that anybody that wants to trade securities has to be registered with the SEC and that the SEC can charge fees on any security transaction. Not too hard to make a "profit" under those circumstances.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15872893 Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:38:09 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15872599 mbernste :
said by PoloDude See Profile :

When is the last time a government agency was run efficiently?
March 2005.

As I may have mentioned before, the NJ DMV is astoundingly efficient. I needed to renew my license and from the point I got out of my car to the point I got in my car on a Saturday, was 16 minutes. This includes getting my picture taken, my renewal application processed, and getting the license made. Oh, and the place was packed to the brim with people. I wasn't anywhere near the first on line either.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15872599 Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:17:25 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15870230 joncrane : PoloDude,

Pretty sure the SEC and the FCC both operate on a net gain.

I know for sure the Federal Reserve operates at a profit, and even charges fees for services based on the idea that they are trying to make a profit (and they do) so as to interfere the minimum with private markets.

I can't get into details but most of the Fed's money isn't technically "theirs."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15870230 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:29:19 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15870212 joncrane : I don't know how they go. I have met Giammo once. Seemed down-to-Earth but not long enough to see what kind of person he is.

I looked around and I couldn't figure out exactly where the meetings are held.

I only made the rubber stamp comment because of the comment you made about the discussion only being 5 minutes long...just long enough to have a vote.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15870212 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:26:15 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15870195 PoloDude : Goverment run Broadband??
No thank you. are you kidding. when is the last time a government agency was run efficiently? We on long Island took over the private Elec co. _LILCO_ rates have gone up ever since then by way of fuel surcharges.
Again name 1 (one)! government agency that run efficiently and, because is this case there are company's running at a profit doing the same thing, an agency that runs at a profit]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15870195 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:22:51 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15869275 DonLibes : Yes, I saw your comment. Thanks. I'm thinking of going downtown to see these officials in action. Are these really rubberstamp affairs or can they turn into productive discussions?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15869275 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:55:14 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15869114 joncrane : Hey Don, didn't realize you were also a member here. I posted the same link as a comment to one of your blog entries.

5 minutes--not even long enough to read.

I wonder if Larry Giammo can spell

'R-U-B-B-E-R S-T-A-M-P'

?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15869114 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:32:05 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15869097 DonLibes :
said by joncrane See Profile :

Here's an interesting take on the city of Rockville's stance on FIOS:

»www.rockvillemd.gov/government/m···1606.htm
Only 5 minutes for that agenda item? What's the point?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15869097 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:29:27 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15868618 joncrane : Here's an interesting take on the city of Rockville's stance on FIOS:

»www.rockvillemd.gov/government/m···1606.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15868618 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:23:53 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15847878 JTRockville : No, I haven't had time to contact ARRL yet. Spring Break plans and preparations took priority.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15847878 Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:53:50 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15845926 BarneyBadAss :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

Between you, BarneyBadAss See Profile (saying tin cups and string will serve my needs), and COR ("protecting" me from FiOS), Randolph Hills is NEVER gonna get lit.

Never!
:p

* cries *
JT, Now your gettin' with the ticket! :p

Did you ever contact the ARRL to see if they could lend you a hand with this?

I suppose if your really desperate, I can dig up a couple o' cans n' find y'some string!!!!!! :D :D :D

Leme know if your intersted.......

Oh yeah... almost fer got... there's no delivery fee to your house from mine.... ;)
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---Barney]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15845926 Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:17:50 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15841431 JTRockville : Between you, BarneyBadAss See Profile (saying tin cups and string will serve my needs), and COR ("protecting" me from FiOS), Randolph Hills is NEVER gonna get lit.

Never!
:p

* cries *]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15841431 Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:00:33 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15841376 moonpuppy :
said by nasadude See Profile :

The listings for howard and anne arundel counties have over 200 locations, PG county has well over 100 locations. I guess they might finish montgomery county when everything else in MD is done.

Sigh.
My plan is working. :D

This is for trying to erase Glen Burnie off the deployment maps. ;)

I'm not on the list either. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15841376 Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:55:15 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15840788 JTRockville : That document says there was supposed to be a meeting on March 29th. Anyone know what happened at that meeting? Was it even actually held, or was it just scheduled?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15840788 Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:22:41 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15836087 Liz : Good current info ...

»www.libes.com/don/blog/

Interesting document prepared by Montgomery County lawyers in answer to an FCC inquiry. It lists meetings between Verizon and MC. What the county is telling citizens does not match this document.

»gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retr···18331510]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15836087 Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:31:22 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15835143 pstauff : This seems to indicate some work in Gaithersburg and a ton of work in PG County.

»www22.verizon.com/about/communit···ion.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15835143 Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:16:47 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15834677 SVTCobra2003 : More info »www.missutility.net/damagepreven···utes.asp
this shows that Verizon is expected 0 underground FTTP work of Montgomery County for March and April.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15834677 Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:17:09 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15833514 JTRockville : Good News:
The list has been updated. 44 is better than 5.

Bad News:
My spouse talked to a Verizon tech yesterday and asked when we'd be getting FiOS. Apparently, the tech muttered something about "trouble from the City of Rockville", and said it'd be at least a year for those of us served by Montrose Road.

:uhh:

Thanks for nuthin' COR!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15833514 Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:46:25 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15807293 JTRockville : Actually, I think cable companies will be more likely to terminate or cap heavy users in competitive areas. Those who get terminated or capped will be less likely to raise a stink - they'll simply move on, as you plan to do. Then cable companies can continue to charge premium prices for "lite" service.

Since cable companies seem much more interested in profit-per-customer than they are in the count of customers, this could work out in their favor.

Think a muni would ever have a policy to impose limits without disclosing the terms? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15807293 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:34:44 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15804805 mbernste :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

I'll take muni over privately owned any day!
Don't be so quick to say that. It all depends on how well government owned broadband is run. If it was an option for me I would certainly consider it. Government entities can be run quite efficiently--case in point, last year I had to go to the NJ DMV to get my license renewed (on a Saturday). From the point I got out of my car to the point I was leaving the DMV with a new license (photo and everything) was 16 minutes.

I think I will wait until FiOS TV comes to my town before I switch. The one exception is if I get capped for upload by OOL, then I will switch. I think the cable companies whether they be Comcast or Cablevision will be less likely to do that with comparable competition.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15804805 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 07:32:05 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15799453 nauticax : I can already get FIOS Internet where I am but I have not ordered it because I would like FIOS TV as well! But it hasn't look promising for MoCo to grand VZ Franchise yet. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15799453 Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:31:13 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15795263 JTRockville : If I were to pick up and move anywhere, it'd be UTOPIA. I'll take muni over privately owned any day! Yowza!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15795263 Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:11:44 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15794849 mbernste : Hey, you're all welcome to move to NJ.

* The glass is steadily being rolled out to more and more towns every few months.

* Cablevision is completing their 15/2 speed upgrade (Comcast is busy redlining the FiOS towns with their "upgrade"). Plus the "fast" tier is 30/2.

* Patriot Media has some great speeds available.

* NJ is a broadband paradise (unless you move into a Service Electric area--blech). Verizon has many remote terminals scattered about.

* If you move to a Comcast town, the customer service and techs aren't hellish like they are in MD.

* NJ isn't all refineries and "Sopranos." We have some beautiful areas that don't bask in the yellow glow of a "Hess Oil" sign.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15794849 Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:08:52 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15794674 nasadude : well, it looks like if verizon doesn't get to play by it's rules, it won't play.

FCC is useless to consumers; whatever they do about this, if anything, it won't help us.

we'll probably be fiberless until the national franchise bill passes. And then, verizon will probably drag it's feet for a while just to spite the county. Although it looks like the county has reasonable objections to some of verizon's provisions, I wish the hell they would GET OVER IT for our sake and approve the agreement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15794674 Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:40:06 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15794211 JTRockville : According to this document (link found in the comments at Don's blog), there was supposed to be a meeting yesterday. Anyone know if the meeting took place, or what happened?

»gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retr···18331510

3/3/2006: County contacted Verizon to schedule meeting

3/10/2006: Verizon informed County of changes in negotiating team members. Lori Edwards replaces Ed Butts as lead. Scheduled meeting for 3/29/2006.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15794211 Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:38:44 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15787088 lmccague :
said by Cuchulainn See Profile :

Been away from this one for a while.

Is most of lower MontGoCo FIOS'ed? Is it just the upper and western bits that are waiting?

Thanks!
I am in 20901 (the part that isn't FIOS'd yet). My CO is on Riggs Rd, Hyattsville..go figure...no idea as to when we will get FIOS. I don't think downtown Silver Spring is FIOS'd either, well at least the last time I checked it wasn't. And yes we feel abandoned. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15787088 Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:55:16 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15786948 bowieman : Being the Former Installation Manager at CTM from 1987 thru 1991, I can tell you dealing with the county exec's and cable commision back then was total hell.

Also dealing with many of the hoa's was one of the worst experiences of my time back then..Politcs and A few arrogant high powered individuals made it impossible to do any type of construction in a timely manor. I feel sorry for the average citizen that lives in Montgomery County MD. The Politicians will jerk you people around for their own greedy power hungry reasons.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15786948 Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:35:03 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15786842 cbrain : Do you think this has anything to do with Montgomery County being difficult with the TV franchise and Rockville refusing permits? Does anyone know how each county stacks up in percentage completed?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15786842 Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:20:40 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15784256 JTRockville : As far as I know, Verizon pretty much stuck to their 2005 deployment plans (found here):
»/speak/print/d···12534084

But they never really made much progress beyond that.

I'll be happy to update the map if anyone who's NOT in one of the COs I colored "blue" has FiOS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15784256 Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:51:31 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15784207 Cuchulainn : Been away from this one for a while.

Is most of lower MontGoCo FIOS'ed? Is it just the upper and western bits that are waiting?

Thanks!
--
the jam econo...makes a stench. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15784207 Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:44:21 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15783766 JTRockville : Yeah, you're lucky pstauff See Profile. At ~19.6k cable feet, I expect I'll leap-frog DSL.

I agree - FiOS TV in Montgomery County is a long way off. I subscribe to DirecTV, so I'm not in a rush for competitive video service. I look forward to getting the PEGs back, but other than that I'm perfectly satisfied with DirecTV.

I feel totally differently about network services though. Don't get me wrong - I love my current provider and would highly recommend them to anyone who can afford them - but I'll be all over FiOS internet (if it ever becomes available) as soon as I can get out of my contract.

Maybe the feds will help.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15783766 Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:50:37 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15783568 pstauff : I am lucky that I have Verizon DSL. I did have Comcast a while back, but I jumped that ship when they raised the price. Not everyone has the option of DSL though, due to distance limitations or CO availability. I don't have the StarPower option. That is not in my area. I would like the option of FiOS and eventually FiOS TV. FiOS TV is a long way off in MoCo. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15783568 Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:27:17 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15783531 JTRockville : Nooooooooooooooo BarneyBadAss See Profile! Don't say that!

What if Verizon is lurking? They might take your seriously!

HEY VERIZON

DON'T LISTEN TO BARNEYBADASS

DON'T LET CITY OF ROCKVILLE STOP YOU

!!! RANDOLPH HILLS WANTS FIOS !!!

* chants *
glass not string
glass not string
glass not string
glass not string
glass not string]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15783531 Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:22:22 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15783418 BarneyBadAss :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

If we had all those choices, we wouldn't be so anxious about getting FiOS.

I'm not sure about pstauff See Profile, but nasadude See Profile and I have only one "choice" - one that I had to rule out due to issues with reliability.

What makes you think we have all those choices?
JT, I still think you just need a string and two tin cans ;)
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---Barney]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15783418 Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:01:15 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15783102 JTRockville : If we had all those choices, we wouldn't be so anxious about getting FiOS.

I'm not sure about pstauff See Profile, but nasadude See Profile and I have only one "choice" - one that I had to rule out due to issues with reliability.

What makes you think we have all those choices?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15783102 Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:11:03 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15781771 cmc0 : Rememeber, your not rich like us 20721 folks! :D

But look at it this way, at least you guys have Comcast,Starpower, and Verizon DSL
--
You never know what you have until you lose it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15781771 Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:16:36 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15780715 JTRockville :
said by nasadude See Profile :

will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered?
Not sure about the rest of the county, but as long as Rockville has Doug Breisch's brand of "protection", I'd say the answer is: NO!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15780715 Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:32:00 EDT Re: will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15778611 pstauff : I know... we are all frustrated. Here we are in one of the most influential parts of the world and we have very little FiOS available. It's part of the politics of MoCo.

Here's a good site about it:
»www.libes.com/don/blog/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15778611 Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:50:41 EDT will Montgomery county MD ever get fibered? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15777949 nasadude : this is pretty sad.

the verizon fttp construction page (»www22.verizon.com/about/communit···ion.html) for mongtgomery county for March shows 5 locations:

Caltrane Dr
Coltrane Dr
Ridge Rd Rte 27
Running Valley Ln
Wright Rd

The listings for howard and anne arundel counties have over 200 locations, PG county has well over 100 locations. I guess they might finish montgomery county when everything else in MD is done.

Sigh.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15777949 Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:16:24 EDT