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1 edit | Bias Having flirted with a "FTTH micro franchise" business plan -- I came face to face with these concepts. Being a "left-of-Center" kinda guy -- I surprised myself to find I actually side with the Telcos on these issues ( ! )
Business is business. If Geneva is serious about equality for all -- they need to pass a bond issue to subsidize the LightSpeed rollout to areas that SBC chooses not to serve. Otherwise the unprofitable areas will be effectively subsidized by you -- the other subscribers -- in the form of higher base costs.
What's next? -- should Starbucks be forced to go to the Ghettos in the name of fairness?
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Petaluma, CA | Well, if Starbucks starts opening franchises in peoples homes, I think anyone who wants one should be able to get one.
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said by ronpin:Business is business. If Geneva is serious about equality for all -- they need to pass a bond issue to subsidize the LightSpeed rollout to areas that SBC chooses not to serve. Otherwise the unprofitable areas will be effectively subsidized by you -- the other subscribers -- in the form of higher base costs. What's next? -- should Starbucks be forced to go to the Ghettos in the name of fairness? I see no reason why a private business should be forced to provide services to everyone. They should be able to choose who they want to sell to.
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said by ronpin:What's next? -- should Starbucks be forced to go to the Ghettos in the name of fairness? But we're not talking about ridicukously overpriced coffee. If AT&T wants to use the public right-of-way to supply a service that's increasingly becoming a necessity (e.g., high school teachers seem to more and more expect a student to have a broadband connection for homework), then they should commit to serving all the public.
Think how much worse, and how much more inescapable, the "ghettos" would be if they didn't have telephone, electricity, and television. I guess to alot of the spoiled suburbanites that post here that would be OK, but a government is charged with looking out for the welfare of all citizens. |
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| Or, if they really want to pick and choose, at least stop fighting cities and towns when they try to fill in the gaps created by their own deployment ideas.... |
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To clarify: I'm saying that "equality" is the realm of government. Profit is the realm of business. Yes civil rights to apply to business -- and it works both ways.
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If you support their positions, you have nothing to complain about, because they're winning this debate on largely all fronts. We'll get to see in 5 years where this gets us. |
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Well, you are actually being very civil about it. But wouldn't you say, that since we are giving a business many of the benefits of a citizen/person, then that business also has to share the burdens of a citizen. Freedom doesn't come free.
For example, if you choose to live in our town, and own property in our town, then you agree to pay taxes to pay for the school system, WHETHER or not you have children going to the school. As a person, you are paying a TAX for something you don't use, in fact, it's the majority of your tax. On the other hand, you get to benefit from public water, police/fire, etc. Part of the cost of living in town is paying for services that the CITIZENS have determined are in everyone's best interest.
AT&T however, is a pack of lying whiners. They want full access to the 'fire/police, public water', etc, but they don't want to have to pay for the schools. Since the schools are 70% of the tax bill, if AT&T gets it's way, it is making a mockery of the system, by failing to play by the same rules we require everyone else to play by. It wants all the benefits and perks the citizens get, but doesn't want to pay the price, it just wants to be a welfare cheat. If AT&T wants to sell to the high profit areas of town, that's wonderful. But it has to provide the same service, at the same price to every resident of the town in exchange for the right to do so. It's called democracy, and it's what gives AT&T those rights it so flagrantly tries to abuse.
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So in essence give them 5 years of near-monopoly power to fund a universal deployment and then when its done, break them up.
The only problem is that its not being deployed in a universal fashion. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by ronpin:Business is business. If Geneva is serious about equality for all -- they need to pass a bond issue to subsidize the LightSpeed rollout to areas that SBC chooses not to serve. Otherwise the unprofitable areas will be effectively subsidized by you -- the other subscribers -- in the form of higher base costs. What's next? -- should Starbucks be forced to go to the Ghettos in the name of fairness? I see no reason why a private business should be forced to provide services to everyone. They should be able to choose who they want to sell to. Then they need to STFU When city's want to Run there own Service.Dude you can't have it both ways even thou you think you should(which is moronic) but that's a money grubber for yea.
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| said by Jigsaw:Dude you can't have it both ways even thou you think you should(which is moronic) but that's a money grubber for yea. And I see our resident Liberals always resort to ad hominem attacks when logic fails them.
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So in essence give them 5 years of near-monopoly power to fund a universal deployment and then when its done, break them up.
There will be no universal deployment. In five years the dense, affluent portions of this country will have some VDSL and fiber service, and every-one else will get table scraps, while the FCC releases half-cooked data to suggest otherwise.
It's what supporters want, as they see government involvement in setting and enforcing deployment guidelines (or even having an effective national plan) as some kind of cancer. They see it as a cancer beause their primary concern is their own wallets, and helping others (and other communities) is not profitable.
Which is fine and their right, but I get bored when it's dressed up as a sophisticated ethos, because it's really just greed. Greed vs. humanism. (Not liberal vs. Conservative, or socialism vs. free market). |
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said by ronpin:If Geneva is serious about equality for all -- they need to pass a bond issue to subsidize the LightSpeed rollout to areas that SBC chooses not to serve. Otherwise the unprofitable areas will be effectively subsidized by you -- the other subscribers -- in the form of higher base costs. Umm, that's what the tri-city consortium tried to do a couple years ago and SBC spent over $200,000 to get it shot down. Why should they be allowed to exploit those same people a second time?
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"And I see our resident Liberals always resort to ad hominem attacks when logic fails them."
HEY! I resent that.
I'm our resident liberal commie. Don't go giving those other wanna be commies credit I deserve! They still have a lot farther to the left to go before they can come close to my Marxist ways. The fascist pigs shall feel our wrath when the proletariat rise up and crush them with their sickles and scythes, singing 'Le Internationale'. Religion and Capitalism are the opiates of the masses.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Jigsaw:Dude you can't have it both ways even thou you think you should(which is moronic) but that's a money grubber for yea. And I see our resident Liberals always resort to ad hominem attacks when logic fails them. IF it walks like a duck Talks like a duck it must be a duck.FYI Im more Conservative than you know.
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said by Karl Bode:Which is fine and their right, but I get bored when it's dressed up as a sophisticated ethos, because it's really just greed. Greed vs. humanism. (Not liberal vs. Conservative, or socialism vs. free market). Well, in the words of Gordon Gecko, that well known movie character:
»www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSp···eet.html
The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed -- for lack of a better word -- is good.
Greed is right.
Greed works.
Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind.
And greed -- you mark my words -- will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. »www.americanrhetoric.com/mp3clip···reet.mp3
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Karl Bode:Which is fine and their right, but I get bored when it's dressed up as a sophisticated ethos, because it's really just greed. Greed vs. humanism. (Not liberal vs. Conservative, or socialism vs. free market). Well, in the words of Gordon Gecko, that well known movie character: » www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSp···eet.html The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed -- for lack of a better word -- is good.
Greed is right.
Greed works.
Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind.
And greed -- you mark my words -- will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. » www.americanrhetoric.com/mp3clip···reet.mp3 I see our resident Shill always resort to ad hominem attacks when logic fails them.It works both ways Sparky!!!!!
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That's the problem in this case...they already have broadband connection options--two or three in fact. This battle is over what Comcast will do if AT&T is not held to the same obtuse, outdated franchise requirements for video programming. This is not a broadband 'black hole'.
This statement is outright bullshit: "The city explains they are not concerned with franchise fees". It is always about the money.
Apparently, Geneva is as bad a liar as AT&T and Comcast.
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