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kudos:2 | How'd they get her info? If they are suing her and she doesn't own a computer, how did they get her information?
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Westminster, CA | said by Rob:If they are suing her and she doesn't own a computer, how did they get her information? google
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RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
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kudos:2 | said by BIGMIKE:said by Rob:If they are suing her and she doesn't own a computer, how did they get her information? google That doesn't make any sense at all.
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Winfield, AL | They most likely went to google and entered random phone numbers until they got a hit, at times it seems like that's what the RIAA does.
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Westminster, CA | reply to Rob
ok? The RIAA resorted to just drawing names out of a hat. 
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said by Rob:If they are suing her and she doesn't own a computer, how did they get her information? Most likely, bad info from an ISP responsible for the offending IP address.
Possible scenario: Previous owner of house downloads or uploads music and has an account with ISP. New owner moves in and establishes a TV video account, but no internet access. ISP gets subpoena. Checks IP address and matches it with an account address from logs at time of offense. Address given to RIAA. Lawsuit undertaken. Sloppy work all around by ISP and RIAA lawyers.
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Re: How they get her info? Much more believable than the first idea. |
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Re: How'd they get her info? They supposedly only lived at their current address for under a year. So odds are it was the people who lived their before that downloaded the music. Or in the end it could have just been a database error, or human error when looking up information. |
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said by Rob:said by BIGMIKE:said by Rob:If they are suing her and she doesn't own a computer, how did they get her information? google That doesn't make any sense at all. I think it was meant as a joke. |
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That sounds like the most likely scenario. Either that or the RIAA is now initiating lawsuits based on a highly scientific method called "pinning random pages from the phone book to the wall then throwing darts at them while blindfolded." |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to fAcEtIOUs
said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Rob:If they are suing her and she doesn't own a computer, how did they get her information? Most likely, bad info from an ISP responsible for the offending IP address. Possible scenario: Previous owner of house downloads or uploads music and has an account with ISP. New owner moves in and establishes a TV video account, but no internet access. ISP gets subpoena. Checks IP address and matches it with an account address from logs at time of offense. Address given to RIAA. Lawsuit undertaken. Sloppy work all around by ISP and RIAA lawyers. so what would happen if the current family just said sorry we dont own a PC and you can shove that lawsuit up your ass(Door Slam).
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Coldwater, MI | reply to fAcEtIOUs
Since it's trivial for an ISP to see if they have data/video, your scenario is /highly/ unlikely.
I think all this is really indicative of is that the RIAA has no clue what they're doing. I'd be willing to wager there wasn't even any ISP involvement in this one, and the RIAA tried to do the "research" themselves and came to this conclusion.
So this makes the second party they've tried to sue that doesn't even own a computer, whcih is a clever trick. At what point does a judge grow a set of testicles and say "OK, that's it, I've had it. We're not accepting any more suits until you, the RIAA, prove through auditing that you have any clue what you're doing and aren't just watsing the Court's time and resources"? |
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said by Kearnstd:so what would happen if the current family just said sorry we dont own a PC and you can shove that lawsuit up your ass(Door Slam). If the RIAA proceeded anyway, they would lose in court with a default judgement if they or a lawyer for them doesn't show up.
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Minas Tirith | reply to fAcEtIOUs
said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Rob:If they are suing her and she doesn't own a computer, how did they get her information? Most likely, bad info from an ISP responsible for the offending IP address. Possible scenario: Previous owner of house downloads or uploads music and has an account with ISP. New owner moves in and establishes a TV video account, but no internet access. ISP gets subpoena. Checks IP address and matches it with an account address from logs at time of offense. Address given to RIAA. Lawsuit undertaken. Sloppy work all around by ISP and RIAA lawyers. Possibly
But the ISP ties the IP address to a physical address, which has a name associated with it. However, the lawsuits specifies the currents owners name.
If the RIAA had any sense & found that music was being downloaded illegally from a certain physical address and that the name of the person downloading the music was not the current resident and the date of which the music and the name of the downloader didn't match, they should have checked to see if they moved. If they wanted to go after that person that badly, they should have tried to find their new location. But that takes brains. And we all know that the RIAA is lacking in brains & sense. |
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OR freedom of information Act |
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Los Angeles, CA | reply to Rob
by using the latest in technology |
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That doesn't work. A real ISP would have IP address information tied to a MAC address which in turn is tied to account numbers and customer names. Not just physical addresses.
If someone moved, they would cancel service. A new customer at the same address would have a new account number and obviously new name tied to the account and a new MAC address as well. |
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Ann Arbor, MI | reply to Sircolby45
said by Sircolby45:The RIAA has got to be the stupidest organization I have ever seen. I can't wait to see the day that they get shut down. Actually the RIAA has a great "business model", it is called legalized extortion. Even if you aren't guilty you'll spend less money paying them then fighting them..
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to fAcEtIOUs
said by fAcEtIOUs:If the RIAA proceeded anyway, they would lose in court with a default judgement if they or a lawyer for them doesn't show up. And the family gets hit with insane legal fees because of some idiot's clerical error. This is just another symptom of the larger problem of how fucked up the civil court system is in this country.
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