Re: ..just another day.... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15964279 en Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:37:13 EDT Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:37:13 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16036029 jimbo2150 : Please read my other post here for a definition.

I have to mostly agree with Necronomikro.
Politicians are NOT leaders. They care 90% for themselves, pretty much any party would not just Dems or Reps.

I think Politicians should stick to what they do best, PR, and help real leaders (not politicians) get into office.

Although, ross, I do have to agree with your argument that we should have voting machines made and run by an open community. This would allow a great many people to keep the machine's code and data in check. Corporations should not run our government.
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If these big companies are so "globally" inclined then they should stick to their business which is... business, not residential.

Where do you see Euro companies invading US internet markets??? I don't know about you, but it would cost me a pretty penny to have Bulldog run lines to my house. Typically, most areas may not even have any or much competition (maybe one DSL and one Cable?).
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said by Necronomikro See Profile :

That's fine, but, if we do impeach bush, remove all of the members of congress and the judges, make sure you don't just go ahead and put democrats there instead - they're just as corrupt, as a whole. Make them independant, and BAN POLITICAL PARTIES! POLITICAL PARTIES == POLITICAL MACHINES == SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!
I don't think I agree that banning and/or abolishing political parties is either necessary, or desirable. In fact, it is probably not even possible. The tendancy of like-minded people to form political associations and alliances to collectively promote, or protect, a common goal is akin to a natural law. I understand your inference that altruism and preservation of our constitutionally protected freedoms should be the guiding hand and focus of the political process and its various participants.

I do think a reformation of the Federal Elections Committee, and the election laws governing access to the ballot by third party candidates, is a basic requirement for any effective diversity in representation to gain a foothold.

It is crucial to the survival of our political system that the use of any electronic voting machine not based on public, open-source software, verified and certified by open, public, neutral third party access and review of both hardware and software design should be disallowed and prohibited immediately.

Corporate contributions of every type and description to political candidates and/or parties, whether directly or through lobbyists, should be prohibited. No exceptions! While corporations may have standing as a legal persona due to convenience/necessity in providing for governance of their public conduct and interactions in commerce, they should not be afforded the same standing and or protection with regard to access to the political process as a natural person. Their inherent construction and objectives combined with political purpose and access are detrimental to the common good, and ultimately subvert the rights of the people.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15967072 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:50:46 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15966256 cableties : Oops. :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15966256 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:54:54 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15964936 Necronomikro :
said by ross See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Big corporations won't be broken up again, no matter who is in office. Since the advent of the global economy, the only way to compete against other international corporations based outside the US, was to grow as large as they were. There is no going back from that - ever.
That's a load of bush-wah! How many mega-bankruptcies does it take to convince people that mega-corporations do not represent the best defence of America's pre-eminence in technology, productivity, innovation and humanism? The evidence that small, nimble, innovative competitors are kicking the ass of behemoth corporations is abundant. The anti-competitive, anti-innovative nature of mega-corporations is their Achilles heel; they cannot respond swiftly and effectively to rapid changes in market condition. Their solution is to buy out the successful upstart competitors to reestablish market dominance. This strategy cannot endure due to factional and fractionalized derailment of corporate purpose, along with resultant increase in mass and inertia affecting the steerage of the corporate ship.

Furthermore, this proposed legislation, just like the DMCA it modifies and broadens, shall be the warden of an era of intellectual vacuousness akin to the so-called "Dark Ages". To say nothing of the deleterious effects of the criminalization of cultural behaviors and mechanisms which tend to preserve and expand the cohesiveness of society. This legislation removes or criminalizes the means to assimilate and reuse the intellectual and practical knowledge of prior and contemporaneous generations to foment intellectual innovation and contribute to the expansion of humanist evolution as well as the enrichment and betterment of society.

The logical end of this presumption, i.e., the DMCA, is the corporate patenting and licensing of all non-involuntary functions of the human being right down to the neural interactions giving rise to ideation, such rights being reserved to the corporate entities making up the board of governance of our future global state. I do not wish to be stripped of all that defines me as a human, only to have the bits and pieces, along with the requirements for life itself leased back to me on a per use basis. I don't want to live in a timorous world where thought itself is perforce temerarious, subject to intense surveillance and possible forfeiture of assets and/or personal freedom. A world where to merely share a thought without license is both criminal and subversive.

Movable metal type printing presses spurred the dissemination of knowledge and freed the masses from the tyranny of cloistered, controlled access to the accumulated culture of mankind giving rise to the flowering of human knowledge and our modern technological societies. The current "powers that be" are on the brink of stuffing that genie back into the bottle only five hundred and fifty years after its release. The effect of this extensive broadening of the DMCA cements in place the final piece of the fascist construct of control over the governed by limiting and/or criminalizing the right to accumulation, possession, assimilation, and dissemination of our collective thought and culture by institutionalizing threat, intimidation, involuntary surrender of privacy, asset forfeiture, and inevitable loss of both intellectual and physical freedom.

The only solution is regime change, as Bush and his minions prefer to call it, and the repeal of every vestige of their, and their masters, legislative initiatives and unconstitutional encroachments upon our civil liberties.

Impeach Bush now, remove his political appointees and their criminal legislative collaborators of all persuasions, and promote the restoration our constitutional government to one of the people, by people, for the people, free of corporate domination.
That's fine, but, if we do impeach bush, remove all of the members of congress and the judges, make sure you don't just go ahead and put democrats there instead - they're just as corrupt, as a whole. Make them independant, and BAN POLITICAL PARTIES! POLITICAL PARTIES == POLITICAL MACHINES == SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15964936 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:01:34 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15964279 attsbcisgay :
said by Rook008 See Profile :

said by deepblackmag See Profile :

...Government wants to keep power, government runs the schools (some of the worst among civilized countries) So to keep power it keeps the schools poor and people too stupid to see the long term effects of these bills...
So how does the U.S. government keep people stupid? The way I see it, people choose to be stupid. The information is there, you just have to do a little of the work yourself to get at it. You can't stop the curious.
FEED THEM AS MUCH CRAP AS POSSIBLE. Startle them.
Tell them there's no limit to the amount of information a mind can hold. The average human brain can only hold 1/10 of a dictionary and no more. They have to dump out old information inorder to accept new one.
Why do we forget so often? there's a limit but education says other wise. never mind I'm beginning to sound like a tard the more I talk.

Even a computer is smarter then most American, that is it can hold lots more data, crunch number and it never forgets!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15964279 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:17:14 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15961933 ross :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Big corporations won't be broken up again, no matter who is in office. Since the advent of the global economy, the only way to compete against other international corporations based outside the US, was to grow as large as they were. There is no going back from that - ever.
That's a load of bush-wah! How many mega-bankruptcies does it take to convince people that mega-corporations do not represent the best defence of America's pre-eminence in technology, productivity, innovation and humanism? The evidence that small, nimble, innovative competitors are kicking the ass of behemoth corporations is abundant. The anti-competitive, anti-innovative nature of mega-corporations is their Achilles heel; they cannot respond swiftly and effectively to rapid changes in market condition. Their solution is to buy out the successful upstart competitors to reestablish market dominance. This strategy cannot endure due to factional and fractionalized derailment of corporate purpose, along with resultant increase in mass and inertia affecting the steerage of the corporate ship.

Furthermore, this proposed legislation, just like the DMCA it modifies and broadens, shall be the warden of an era of intellectual vacuousness akin to the so-called "Dark Ages". To say nothing of the deleterious effects of the criminalization of cultural behaviors and mechanisms which tend to preserve and expand the cohesiveness of society. This legislation removes or criminalizes the means to assimilate and reuse the intellectual and practical knowledge of prior and contemporaneous generations to foment intellectual innovation and contribute to the expansion of humanist evolution as well as the enrichment and betterment of society.

The logical end of this presumption, i.e., the DMCA, is the corporate patenting and licensing of all non-involuntary functions of the human being right down to the neural interactions giving rise to ideation, such rights being reserved to the corporate entities making up the board of governance of our future global state. I do not wish to be stripped of all that defines me as a human, only to have the bits and pieces, along with the requirements for life itself leased back to me on a per use basis. I don't want to live in a timorous world where thought itself is perforce temerarious, subject to intense surveillance and possible forfeiture of assets and/or personal freedom. A world where to merely share a thought without license is both criminal and subversive.

Movable metal type printing presses spurred the dissemination of knowledge and freed the masses from the tyranny of cloistered, controlled access to the accumulated culture of mankind giving rise to the flowering of human knowledge and our modern technological societies. The current "powers that be" are on the brink of stuffing that genie back into the bottle only five hundred and fifty years after its release. The effect of this extensive broadening of the DMCA cements in place the final piece of the fascist construct of control over the governed by limiting and/or criminalizing the right to accumulation, possession, assimilation, and dissemination of our collective thought and culture by institutionalizing threat, intimidation, involuntary surrender of privacy, asset forfeiture, and inevitable loss of both intellectual and physical freedom.

The only solution is regime change, as Bush and his minions prefer to call it, and the repeal of every vestige of their, and their masters, legislative initiatives and unconstitutional encroachments upon our civil liberties.

Impeach Bush now, remove his political appointees and their criminal legislative collaborators of all persuasions, and promote the restoration our constitutional government to one of the people, by people, for the people, free of corporate domination.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15961933 Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:38:04 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15961720 guitarzan :
said by Jigsaw See Profile :

said by pb5k See Profile :

So I either agree with you or I'm a commie? There's a false dichotomy for you. :uhh:

Oh, and the 1950s called, they want their red scare back. :D
Its funny how corporate shill boy hates commies yet its fine to deal with em for cheap Labor and goods.
What is surprisingly shocking is he/she actually favors the United States competing in a global economy with 3rd world ,tin pot pizz hole countries AT their level.

Instead of demanding they rise to our level of competition.If he/she wants global competition- that's fine.However if a corporation wants to set up shop in one of those 3rd rate shyte holes,at the cost of jobs in America,while wanting to import those goods back to the U.S.A. IMO I say ban them at every port of entry.

Fusk them and toss 'em' out.an advise them don't let the door hit ya in the azz on the way out.While their at it,those corps. can stick a broom up their azz and sweep up behind themselves also,while on the way out also.
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Can I fly to Sweden yet]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15961612 Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:50:44 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15961435 Rook008 :
said by deepblackmag See Profile :

...Government wants to keep power, government runs the schools (some of the worst among civilized countries) So to keep power it keeps the schools poor and people too stupid to see the long term effects of these bills...
So how does the U.S. government keep people stupid? The way I see it, people choose to be stupid. The information is there, you just have to do a little of the work yourself to get at it. You can't stop the curious.
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I was talking about the flags.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15959796 Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:30:47 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15959660 pb5k : Democratic president, Republican congress, IIRC. Neither party can feign innocence on this one, I'm afraid.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15959660 Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:10:12 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15959479 cableties : um, DMCA was passed under Democrats...

Let me dig out my congress addressbook and strat firing off emails...

(I get nice official letter back from each one!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15959479 Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:43:17 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15959239 Jigsaw :
said by pb5k See Profile :

So I either agree with you or I'm a commie? There's a false dichotomy for you. :uhh:

Oh, and the 1950s called, they want their red scare back. :D
Its funny how corporate shill boy hates commies yet its fine to deal with em for cheap Labor and goods.
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There is no going back from that - ever.


Unfortunately, that implies that the "little guy" no longer matters at all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15959224 Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:09:19 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15959123 Maarvin : I think that I will get sick now!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15959123 Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:54:20 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15959119 TKJunkMail :
said by jimbo2150 See Profile :

It seems like were going back in time, when major companies joined to become super-corporations. They were broken up long ago, will we see this again? Probably not untill 2010 at least (taking into acount the time between now and getting a new, better adminstration, replacing all these greedy SoBs in FCC and other areas, and the time the courts take).
Big corporations won't be broken up again, no matter who is in office. Since the advent of the global economy, the only way to compete against other international corporations based outside the US, was to grow as large as they were. There is no going back from that - ever.
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Seeing as Republicans are in power the corporate flag stands.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15959079 Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:47:13 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15959049 deepblackmag : We nothing. The corporations seem to have exclusive use of the congress these days. This sort of behavior wont end until the nations populus understand whats going on, and they wont understand more than they are told by CNN or FOX until they have a good education... Does anybody else see a vicious cycle here? Government wants to keep power, government runs the schools (some of the worst among civilized countries) So to keep power it keeps the schools poor and people too stupid to see the long term effects of these bills. Excellent work. Dangle terrorist threats in front of their faces all day on the idiot box (TV) and they wont see the 2am laws being writen by the MPAA. BRAVO!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15959049 Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:41:28 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15958959 pb5k : So I either agree with you or I'm a commie? There's a false dichotomy for you. :uhh:

Oh, and the 1950s called, they want their red scare back. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15958959 Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:30:28 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15958865 TKJunkMail :
said by pb5k See Profile :

I pledge allegiance... :D


Shouldn't you be pledging allegiance to this flag instead?

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It seems like were going back in time, when major companies joined to become super-corporations. They were broken up long ago, will we see this again? Probably not untill 2010 at least (taking into acount the time between now and getting a new, better adminstration, replacing all these greedy SoBs in FCC and other areas, and the time the courts take).
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15958572 Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:17:15 EDT Re: ..just another day.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15958483 Kearnstd : and we will continue to exercise fair use because it is Gurenteed to us via US Copyright law. and since that law is older then the DMCA fair use is grandfathered in and cant be removed unless amended.
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