Uh, Yeah... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16009893 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:13:39 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:13:39 EDT Re: AT&T is deluding itself http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16020087 hypercooljak : It doesn't have to be 3000ft from the CO. They are running fiber to the node, which they will place in neighborhoods and run copper the rest of the way. That node will be like the CO, so it will be like they are closer to the CO.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16020087 Wed, 03 May 2006 01:47:30 EDT Re: And I'll Still Be One Of Those People... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16019294 macflauaus : Either that, or get satellite internet. :( I don't think moving is such a good idea.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16019294 Tue, 02 May 2006 23:04:09 EDT Re: AT&T is deluding itself http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16013359 bogey780 : Huh? Do you know anything about FTTC platforms? The 1.5 limitation is a limitation of the 1st generation IFITL platform which composes a small part of the BST FTTC network and is schecduled for a complete overhaul sometime in the future. It's only stuck at 1.5 because Tellabs abandoned the platform for the most part and never came out with upgrades. The MX platform fully supports high bandwidth applications and the VDSL2 stuff isn't that far off.

And the RT doesn't "amplify" a DSL signal to allow greater range. It simply acts as the CO DSLAM would out in the field. The magic number for ADSL2+ is 5k for that. Which is something BST is pursuing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16013359 Tue, 02 May 2006 07:28:34 EDT Re: AT&T is deluding itself http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16013353 rachelsfx : I think bogey780 is a BLS or SBC employee???

Ask BLS DSL ifitl customers how bad BLS fiber is. They will tell you: 1.5 mg, that's it???? I can't upgrade? What blithering moron decided that crap??? I can't home network without a MCSE certification and a $5000 router in my house???

3,000 ft is only little over 1/2 mile from the home. Now if these morons would put RTs out, you could get DSL 6.0 up to 18,000 ft from the home (whopping 3 miles+).

AT&T = Antiquated Telegraph & Telephone]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16013353 Tue, 02 May 2006 07:22:13 EDT Re: AT&T is deluding itself http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16012709 bogey780 : 1 mile frmm the DSLAM for ADSL2+. VDSL2 is about 800ft which is well within range for the plant design.

Currently the upgrades Bell is deploying are in order to make this likely. By next year there should be about a 50-55% availability and by 2009 it'll be 75-80%.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16012709 Tue, 02 May 2006 01:08:18 EDT Re: AT&T is deluding itself http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16012614 Jigsaw :
said by bogey780 See Profile :

'Unlike copper (24 mgs is max)'

That is incorrect. The VDSL2 standard is up to 100mb/s and the ADSL2+ standard supports seamless bonding to allow as many multiples of 24mb/s as Bell cares to build out.
How far can they serve it from the CO?If its only 2 or 3 miles they won't have everyone using it.
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said by macflauaus See Profile :

While all this fiber to the home and IPTV, etc. is great, there are still going to be people like me, who won't be able to still get DSL, much less fiber to my house. They need to get themselves together in rural areas. They are really, really screwing up.

I know I'm in Illinois, but I'm 50 miles away from St. Louis, so my house has a slim chance of getting fiber to my house, none the less, my community. Great work AT&T. :uhh:
I'm really sorry to hear that. Being stuck on Dial Up because you live in a rural area blows. I spent 4 years on Dial up and then got the Cable connection I have now. The difference is huge and I will never go back.

I'm sorry to say that as far as I can see now, you have two choices: Move somewhere where you know you get faster speeds and better service or hope that one of the phone or cable providers will get the message and come to you instead.

Good luck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16012130 Mon, 01 May 2006 23:06:07 EDT And I'll Still Be One Of Those People... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16011823 macflauaus : While all this fiber to the home and IPTV, etc. is great, there are still going to be people like me, who won't be able to still get DSL, much less fiber to my house. They need to get themselves together in rural areas. They are really, really screwing up.

I know I'm in Illinois, but I'm 50 miles away from St. Louis, so my house has a slim chance of getting fiber to my house, none the less, my community. Great work AT&T. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16011823 Mon, 01 May 2006 22:21:13 EDT Re: Uh, Yeah... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16011574 djrobx :
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Me thinks AT&T does get it. What they'll do is to let Verizon spend all their cash building this magnificent network, then wait for them to file bankruptcy and the new mega mergered AT&T will step in and buy the whole company for 3 cents on the dollar.
Or similar variation, but less far-fetched, they'll let Verizon build this magnificent network. Verizon will pay the high "early adopter" costs and SBC will wait for cheaper next-gen FTTH technology.

It doesn't surprise me much that SBC is holding onto copper. They dumped millions into Pronto/RT rollouts. To ditch copper altogether means the money spent on those things was money wasted.
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"Exactly where is BLS and T putting VDSL2"

You unfamiliar with the colossal number of FTTC customers BLS currently has?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010736 Mon, 01 May 2006 19:37:24 EDT Re: AT&T is deluding itself http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010613 rachelsfx : T has to accept $21 billion in BLS debt. The original price was $77-78 billion plus the debt making it a near $100 billion merger.

It doesn't really matter: T shareholders will get the stick since it is a "cashless" merger.

If you figure the market value drop of T then BLS stock dropping too, one could argue a replay of Time Warner writing off AOL. In the end, T stockholders will pay dearly for the buyout unless they are willing to wait a few years providing T doesn't bungle it (or continue to lose 3 million POTS customers a quarter).

Exactly where is BLS and T putting VDSL2? 3000 ft from the CO which leaves out what 85% of customers???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010613 Mon, 01 May 2006 19:19:28 EDT Re: AT&T is deluding itself http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010509 bogey780 : 'Unlike copper (24 mgs is max)'

That is incorrect. The VDSL2 standard is up to 100mb/s and the ADSL2+ standard supports seamless bonding to allow as many multiples of 24mb/s as Bell cares to build out.

'(T paid $98 billion for BLS).'

Incorrect also. BLS hasn't been acquired yet. It's a stock buyout which will be about $65 billion as it stands now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010509 Mon, 01 May 2006 19:03:48 EDT AT&T is deluding itself http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010464 rachelsfx : Verizon FIOS, which they've already budgeted for (about $100 billion over 10 years), is the only one keeping up with technology in Telco land.

Cable runs a different system. Unlike copper (24 mgs is max), coax, with the 3.0 standard, could crush them if the cable companies want to do it.

Verizon is quickly establishing itself as the best HSI player while the other Bells play with their OLD toys. I'd hate to be in Qwest territory, which is like a 3rd world country.

Funny, the only player Comcast, a predator that said it wanted to bankrupt the Bells, is scared of is FIOS.

AT&T buy Verizon? LOL! That would be about a $300 billion purchase (T paid $98 billion for BLS).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010464 Mon, 01 May 2006 18:55:09 EDT Re: Uh, Yeah... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010374 attsbcisgay : ATT? wrong it's SBC who has consumed ATT now its called ATT to fool all of ya. Creative and clever aren't they? Here's a little hint. within 2-3 months from today BellSouth is no more. Their price stinks and the customer are paying more then they should.

ATT has ceast to exist long ago. You are living in fantasy land if you believe they are still in existent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010374 Mon, 01 May 2006 18:41:10 EDT Re: Uh, Yeah... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010323 grandpinaple : This is very unlikely as Verizon has way more money than AT&T and Verizon isn't stupid they aren't going to push FIOS to the point of bankruptcy. Anyway AT&T will die long before FIOS drives Verizon into bankruptcy, which won't happen anyway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010323 Mon, 01 May 2006 18:33:24 EDT Re: Uh, Yeah... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010219 Chris 313 :
said by Rick See Profile :

said by Chris 313 See Profile :

AT&T still doesn't get it. They just need to break down and FTTH themselves to have any chance. 25 mbits is already too little for TV and data.

Verizon is the only one who has a chance Vs. AT&T.
Me thinks AT&T does get it. What they'll do is to let Verizon spend all their cash building this magnificent network, then wait for them to file bankruptcy and the new mega mergered AT&T will step in and buy the whole company for 3 cents on the dollar.

Didn't you ever hear of @home?
Now it's @AT&T using the same exact formula for success. ;)

AT&T is probably more in the business of mergers and acquisitions than even the phone business at this point. :D
Could be. Only time will tell, huh?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010219 Mon, 01 May 2006 18:18:11 EDT Re: Uh, Yeah... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16010204 Rick :
said by Chris 313 See Profile :

AT&T still doesn't get it. They just need to break down and FTTH themselves to have any chance. 25 mbits is already too little for TV and data.

Verizon is the only one who has a chance Vs. AT&T.
Me thinks AT&T does get it. What they'll do is to let Verizon spend all their cash building this magnificent network, then wait for them to file bankruptcy and the new mega mergered AT&T will step in and buy the whole company for 3 cents on the dollar.

Didn't you ever hear of @home?
Now it's @AT&T using the same exact formula for success. ;)

AT&T is probably more in the business of mergers and acquisitions than even the phone business at this point. :D
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Verizon is the only one who has a chance Vs. AT&T.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16009893 Mon, 01 May 2006 17:26:42 EDT