ad hoc board > What are limits to Bronze+ speed?

What are limits to Bronze+ speed?

Yes Jim, they lock you at the DSLAM to the 768d/128up.

reply to jruhnke
I'm very close to my CO also(dslreports gave me a number that sounded to good to be true really, I can see it from my house) but I don't think that your gonna get that 768/128. You might get very close. On these test here at dslreports I get around the 700/119 range, from what I hear thats really good. Slower at peak hours but still pretty good. You never get 100%. Mind you that is the west coast test the east cost test I get slower speeds. Im with Earthlink/GTE or Verizon whatever they are now. Im not doing too bad.

I have my service thru LINKLINE.com....TELCO is GTE
Bronze Plus.

I'm 4000 ft from the CO. I usually average about 715/120
although I've tested 724/122

You may get lucky, if you're close to the CO. Several ISPs
will lift your cap... giving you 1.5 d/l if you have a
quality line and are close to CO. I'm working on having
cap removed now, and see no problem.
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reply to jruhnke
The bronze Plus package will give you up to 768down and 128up, Verizon has a best effort policy though, since radsl depends on your telephone line the only thing that they guarantee is a 10k bytes per second download, so it will more than likely either be wonderful or just a little faster that a 56 k modem

reply to jruhnke
I have Bronze+ through Verizon/GTE I am about 6000' from the co and just hooked up. I get 560/100 with no tweaks and not enough time to mess with it yet.

Hey sofaking, how do you work on having that cap removed and how close do ya have to be, sounds interesting, I mean you could never have too fast a connection.

reply to jruhnke
bronze plus has a sold bandwidth of 768/128 but in reality you bandwidth could be as high as 1500/1000. while distance from the co is a limiting factor the type of account you have with your ISP, the time of day and the site you are going to or testing at can affect your speed results. I have on occasion (at odd hours) reached download speeds of near 1200k and I live 12,000 feet from our CO.It truly is an information superhighway, but congestion through over sold servers and traffic jams entering hi usage sites really have a greater limiting effect on your speed than anything else.

reply to sofaking
Ooo, yes, let me in on how to get rid of the cap...I'm 5000ft from the CO on decent lines, used to get 720k on my 784k DSL.

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reply to joeking57

said by joeking57:

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but in reality you bandwidth could be as high as 1500/1000. while distance from the co is a limiting factor the type of account you have with your ISP, the time of day and the site you are going to or testing at can affect your speed results. I have on occasion (at odd hours) reached download speeds of near 1200k and I live 12,000 feet from our CO.It truly is an information superhighway, but congestion through over sold servers and traffic jams entering hi usage sites really have a greater limiting effect on your speed than anything else.

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reply to sofaking
Unfortunately, the existence of a easily removable "cap" is somewhat of a "urban legend". Arbitrary bandwidth caps are often placed on cable networks to regulate upstream utilization and to ensure fair accessibility on "shared" pipes for all customers. For DSL, it is the sync speed programmed in the DSLAM that dictates the rates. Therefore, it is not a "cap" but building, offering, and selecting the rate that you purchased.

Now, I believe some of the some larger ISPs have negotiated contractual "one price" residential offerings with CLECs (Northpoint or Rhythms) that allow them to offer anything from IDSL to up to 1.5m speeds to those who qualify but you have to be connected through that CLEC to get that potential "raise" to 1.5 RADSL. You also need to be aware that these products are disappearing or becoming unavailable just as quickly as they appeared on the market.

Since you (Sofaking) are connected to the local ILEC (Verizon) let's consider what is available on that basis.

Verizon Bronze Plus service is tariffed and it is Verizon who provisions and sets the sync speed which is a function of the DSLAM. The ISP does not have access to the physical DSLAM or the customer settings.

The only 1500 speed available to Verizon DSL customers is Platinum service, and it is much more expensive. We have heard of testers and technicians setting the speed to Platinum Plus for diagnostic purposes and then forgetting to return to Bronze speed, but this more like a fluke than something you can bank on happening on a permanent basis.

There are CLECs and ILECS like SBC that offer speeds up to 1.5 if the customer is close to the C/O. For example, for the same monthly rate in "Pac Bell" territory many of our customers get up to 1.5 speeds. However, it is because it is a different phone company, different equipment, and different tariffs and rates for the circuits. For example, certain speeds are not available depending on the DSLAM vendor and technology, which is still different. For example, SBC uses Alcatel which is DMT based whereas GTE (prior to Verizon) standardized on non-standard Orchit/Fujitsu technology.

If I were to speculate why So CA DSL is limited to 768K, it is because Verizon's backhaul network is severely limited. Few who have frame-based, Orchit/Fujitsu technology are aware that 20 DSLAM subscribers share a shelf with a single T1 backhaul circuit to their frame cloud, and this is the actual source of the bottleneck that some subscribers currently experience. Verizon is standardizing going forward on ATM and Alcatel equipment, which supports standards-based g.DMT CPE and also utilizes a full ATM T3 (works out to about 42mbit) per 576 subscribers, a much more healthy subscriber to bandwidth ratio and might better support a 1.5m RADSL product once the newer DSLAMS are widely deployed.

reply to jruhnke
Just remember it's really 96k download and 16k upload limits with 768/128.

Verizon rep? When will your co be lifting the upload speed a bit? That is a bit of a ripoff I feel, specially with the next level up being 384/384 if I remember it right, then 768/768 but way more money, yet cable folks can typically double are download speed for the same money and lots fastest uploads, unless area is capped too.

-GF

reply to jruhnke

said by jruhnke:

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My CO is not yet wired for DSL, but should be soon. I'm trying to figure out what speeds I might be capable of.

I am literally right across the street from the CO. Line-of-sight, I'm probably less than 1000 ft. Copper path must be less than about 2000 ft or so, right?

So anyway, the Bronze+ pkg give 768d/128u. Is the connection metered somehow so that those are the max speeds I could possibly attain, or is there a chance I could see higher speeds due to my proximity to the CO?

My guess is they're somehow metered, since some folks report being configured for Bronze service at ~250k, then seeing a jump to 700+ after the problem was resolved, but I don't know for sure.

Thanks-
Jim

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reply to Anon
Bah, if I could get cable, I would, but some some weird reason all the communities around Bothell can get cable...but Bothell can't. Sheesh.

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