 DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
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Re: I'm rejoicing! Now Verizon can pick and choose its customers. Hooray for the Rich and Dense communities!!!
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 mbernsteBoostedPremium,MVM
join:2001-06-30
Piscataway, NJ
1 edit | I live in neither a "rich" or "densely populated" town and yet FiOS is being installed township-wide. I live in Middlesex county, not one of those affluent counties like Somerset or Hunterdon. |
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DaveDudeNo Fear
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New Jersey
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| said by mbernste:I live in neither a "rich" or "densely populated" town and yet FiOS is being installed township-wide. I live in Middlesex county, not one of those affluent counties like Somerset or Hunterdon. Middlesex and Monmouth counties are consider the most affluent in the state. Got to love the ocean so close. What about Salem county ?
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mbernsteBoostedPremium,MVM
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Piscataway, NJ | Somerset county is the most affluent in America. America is the most affluent country in the world, which makes Somerset the most affluent governmental entity in the world. Hunterdon have residences owned by people with last names like Forbes and Onassis, what does that tell you? Middlesex has many poorer areas such as The Amboys and New Brunswick (the part not near J&J or Rutgers) so its hardly affluent. |
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DaveDudeNo Fear
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New Jersey
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| What about Camden, Vineland, and South Jersey. New Brunswick and the Amboys are the top quality compared to areas of south Jersey. When is Verizon Fios coming to Camden ?
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mbernsteBoostedPremium,MVM
join:2001-06-30
Piscataway, NJ | Its about as likely to come to Camden as it is to Woodbridge or Carteret in Middlesex County. |
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 klamer
join:2000-06-09
Fort Worth, TX | reply to DaveDude
Oh well...sucks to be poor. No change there.
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 kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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said by mbernste:Somerset county is the most affluent in America. America is the most affluent country in the world, What kind of Kool-Aid you're drinking? 
Go and visit Switzerland, Saudi-Arabia, Kuwait, let alone Monaco, Luxembourg, Lichtenstein etc - they all enjoy much-much higher GNI than we do. |
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mbernsteBoostedPremium,MVM
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Piscataway, NJ | Wrong. On a GDP basis, the USA is the wealthiest, most affluent, richest country in the history of the world. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
1 edit | said by mbernste:Wrong. On a GDP basis, the USA is the wealthiest, most affluent, richest country in the history of the world. No, you're wrong. It's not the GDP, despite your beliefs but it's the GNI. GDP is usually far from reality, only part of it. In our case it shows us in much better light but that's false perception.
The good measurement here is the GNI. Gross National Income is calculated per capita too and US lags far behind countries I mentioned above.
From Wiki:
"Gross National Income comprises the total value of goods and services produced within a country (i.e. its Gross Domestic Product), together with its income received from other countries (notably interest and dividends), less similar payments made to other countries."
In other words it's the GDP + other taxes + extra *net* income (income from overseas by domestic residents - payments made from home to overseas non-residents) from abroad = Gross National Income aka GNI.
FYI: it used to be called GNP. |
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DaveDudeNo Fear
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New Jersey
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said by kamm:said by mbernste:Somerset county is the most affluent in America. America is the most affluent country in the world, What kind of Kool-Aid you're drinking? Go and visit Switzerland, Saudi-Arabia, Kuwait, let alone Monaco, Luxembourg, Lichteinstein etc - they all enjoy much-much higher GNI than we do. The UAE looks like it could be the wealthiest
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 Fir_Na_TineGiggity GiggityPremium
join:2001-01-03
Clementon, NJ | reply to DaveDude
said by DaveDude:What about Camden, Vineland, and South Jersey. New Brunswick and the Amboys are the top quality compared to areas of south Jersey. When is Verizon Fios coming to Camden ? North Jersey and South Jersey are 2 different states, North gets everything South doesn't get much. Although I heard Medford Lakes (affulent) is getting Fios. Would love to have the option here though to choose.
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 JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
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said by mbernste:Somerset county is the most affluent in America. By what measure?
Wikipedia posted some data from the 2000 Census. At that time, Somerset County NJ was:
• 7th in USA, by per capita income
• 19th in USA, by personal per capita income
• 7th in USA, by median household income
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richest_co···d_States
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mbernsteBoostedPremium,MVM
join:2001-06-30
Piscataway, NJ
1 edit | Your information is outdated. Back then, Connecticut was the most affluent state in the country. In 2005 NJ passed CT.
EDIT:»www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/m···ate.html |
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JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM
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Rockville, MD | Where is Somerset County on that list? |
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mbernsteBoostedPremium,MVM
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Piscataway, NJ
1 edit | Well, that I have to do more digging, but look at the stats, NJ is the most affluent state in the most affluent country in the world. I probably have to see if NJ has some census data on a county basis.
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mbernsteBoostedPremium,MVM
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Piscataway, NJ | The closest data I can find is from 2002, which puts it 3rd.
»www.census.gov/cgi-bin/saipe/sai···state=34
Median household income, in dollars, 2002
Sort this column ID Sort this column State and County Sort in reverse order Estimate 90% Confidence Interval
34019 Hunterdon County 84,145 78,384 to 90,331
34027 Morris County 80,143 75,077 to 85,550
34035 Somerset County 77,887 72,844 to 83,278
34025 Monmouth County 68,651 64,446 to 73,131
34037 Sussex County 68,261 63,772 to 73,066
34003 Bergen County 65,164 61,338 to 69,229
34005 Burlington County 60,181 56,441 to 64,167
34023 Middlesex County 59,817 56,250 to 63,610
34041 Warren County 57,661 53,844 to 61,749
34015 Gloucester County 55,416 51,842 to 59,236
34021 Mercer County 54,793 51,327 to 58,495
34039 Union County 53,010 49,839 to 56,383
34007 Camden County 47,200 44,329 to 50,257
34029 Ocean County 46,654 43,745 to 49,756
34033 Salem County 45,841 42,771 to 49,133
34031 Passaic County 44,693 41,884 to 47,690
34001 Atlantic County 42,245 39,557 to 45,116
34013 Essex County 41,967 39,501 to 44,587
34009 Cape May County 41,496 38,774 to 44,409
34017 Hudson County 38,455 36,159 to 40,898
34011 Cumberland County 36,846 34,416 to 39,447 |
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JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM
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Rockville, MD | I can't believe you don't have a link to the relevant data burned into your desktop!!!
You know I won't take your word for it. |
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 mig288Premium
join:2002-07-13
Merchantville, NJ
·Verizon FiOS
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said by Fir_Na_Tine:said by DaveDude:What about Camden, Vineland, and South Jersey. New Brunswick and the Amboys are the top quality compared to areas of south Jersey. When is Verizon Fios coming to Camden ? North Jersey and South Jersey are 2 different states, North gets everything South doesn't get much. Although I heard Medford Lakes (affulent) is getting Fios. Would love to have the option here though to choose. I agree! North Jersey and South Jersey is like North and South Korea! Split!!!!  |
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