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cwy1980
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join:2004-08-10
Monmouth Junction, NJ

I can understand some of your points about why we should...

...but then again there are so many better reasons about why we shouldn't let this idea become law.

Here are some quotes from some of the framers of our way of life in this country that must surely be rolling in their graves over all of this:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
-- Patrick Henry

SilenceGold
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join:2003-07-31
Canyon Lake, TX

Re: I can understand some of your points about why we should...

Posting some quotes are silly.

If this bill became a law for the ISP to do full cooperation of turning the browsing activities over to the government on request, the real problem will be that the ISP's account will be held accountable even if there were some kind of wardrivings or a zombie backdoor PC being used without the actual user's knowledge. An innocent can be accused of child pornography without any knowledge.

cwy1980
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join:2004-08-10
Monmouth Junction, NJ

Re: I can understand some of your points about why we should...

said by SilenceGold:

Posting some quotes are silly.
Ok...and your basis for saying that quoting one of our constitutional framer's is silly is...what again?

It's as relevant as any other point. So before you go saying stupid things like that, think about them and what other people post before slamming them without even realizing what someone was saying. That's just inconsiderate.

Anyhow, laws are created to protect the people however how much of your rights to basic privacy are you willing to give up in the process? I don't think the federal government should have that much of a blanket policy in place to collect information about your habits of your daily life. It sounds suspiciously like a similar action that the Patriot Act uses to force libraries to do...they do not necessarily have to keep a log of activity but at the request of a government law enforcement agency under the perview of the Patriot Act must turn over any records they do have.

I'm not a big fan of allowing the government to force my ISP to collect my browsing habits. It sets a precedent that could lead to progressively more restrictive laws that completely destroy any shred of privacy online. For those of you that feel if you have nothing to hide than what's the big deal? Well the big deal is just that...you have nothing to hide, but what you do is none of their business. Why police the innocent in order to police the other element as well?

Anyhow, /rant off....
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Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy

SilenceGold
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join:2003-07-31
Canyon Lake, TX

Re: I can understand some of your points about why we should...

There is no need to repeat those quotes that were said by either Ben, Patrick, or any other famous figures as they have been heard repeatedly.

How would this be different than those cameras at the stop lights. They can watch you pick your nose while you are waiting for the light to turn green.

cwy1980
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join:2004-08-10
Monmouth Junction, NJ

Re: I can understand some of your points about why we should...

said by SilenceGold:

There is no need to repeat those quotes that were said by either Ben, Patrick, or any other famous figures as they have been heard repeatedly.

How would this be different than those cameras at the stop lights. They can watch you pick your nose while you are waiting for the light to turn green.
Well deal with it if you don't like the quotes. I'm entitled to express my opinion any which way I want, and if I feel like expressing them using those quotes thats just too bad for you. They exemplify the way I feel about the subject.

I don't really care about the traffic light cameras because while they may catch me picking my nose they aren't in my home watching what I do on a daily basis. I don't expect privacy when out in public because it is just that, being out in public. It's just like cameras at ATM machines, I don't mind those either.
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Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy

SilenceGold
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join:2003-07-31
Canyon Lake, TX

Re: I can understand some of your points about why we should...

I never said that I don't like those quotes. I love those kind of quotes.

Lately, I have noticed that every time there is a debate over privacy, security and so on, someone posts a quote instead of typing up their own opinions in their own words. That is why I posted that it is silly when someone posts quotes in a hit and run posting fashion.

Internet is a publicly accessible system.

cwy1980
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join:2004-08-10
Monmouth Junction, NJ

Re: I can understand some of your points about why we should...

I am not really sure what your point is here...the internet is a hybrid public/private system. Unlike the city streets with the traffic cams (owned by the munincipality), a majority of the internet and infrastructure are owned and operated by private sector companies. Using your example of cameras, this is more like having a camera in a dressing room at a clothing store...that has been tried more than once and shot down by the courts plenty of times.
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Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy
Arthur96

join:2000-12-17
Salem, NH
"How would this be different than those cameras at the stop lights. They can watch you pick your nose while you are waiting for the light to turn green."

they can have the booger if they want but they will have to pay ME for my time for producing it and NOT for me to pay them for the privilege of watching me produce it.

see the subtle difference now?

SilenceGold
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join:2003-07-31
Canyon Lake, TX

Re: I can understand some of your points about why we should...

Why would they want the booger? Those cameras don't ask for you to hand over the booger. They just record you in the act and no harm is done. The reason of no fear is that you know that the cameras are up there because you can see them clearly.
Arthur96

join:2000-12-17
Salem, NH

Re: I can understand some of your points about why we should...

hmmm i don't recall signing a release for my booger performance. so wouldn't that be some sort of copyright infringement?