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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : See www.cybertelecom.org/ci/neutral.htm  for an explanation of Net Neutrality.<br><br>To put it simply, market power.  In the local access market, the DSL and the Cable broadband providers have market power.  Now as common carriers, they were not allowed to use market power to discriminate.  The problem is - DSL and cable broadband services are not common carriage - unlike the old phone network.  That means they have opportunity and incentive.  They have market power to discriminate, and they get to extract a lot of protection money (aka monopoly rent) if they do.  You dont get to cross their net unless you pay the man.  People do not get to do new cool things without the permission of AT&T.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/201506"><b>Skippy25</b></A> : I guess your comment of "if you don't like it, build one yourself" is considered a pretty intellectual statement, right? So by your wisdom if google wants you as a search customer, they should build out a network? What about DSLReports? If they want you to access their site then they should build a network to you too right or pay (again) to get you there. Since I access 50 different internet apps or sites a week, should all of them build a network to my house as well? Do you now see the stupidity I saw in your comment?<br><br>How about we turn your comment around on these monopolistic pigs? How about they (network providers) innovate with services that their customers would see a benefit in so that they want to use them instead of trying to extort from those that have? That is truely what all this is about. It has nothing to do with bandwidth, as that is paid for IN FULL at both ends. The only thing they are trying to innovate is a new cash cow that requires nothing on their part other then stamping the checks to be deposited.<br><br>Do you know why a vast majority of all communities have only 1 network for each service (Cable and Telco)? If it was as easy as you claim to just go build one yourself, then it would be done. However, as you chose to ignore there are multiple barriers of entry that go way beyond just the shear cost of laying copper/coax/fiber. Besides not a single network that is there now would be there if we as a country did not subsidize it and we continue to do so even to this day. So it should be ripped from the greedy claws of these monopolies and returned to its people.<br><br>We as consumers should not have to result to having a new line ran from one company's network through our streets and yards every time we want to change providers or get a new service. I shouldnt have to deal with it when my neighbor switches, nor should they when I switch.<br><br>If you review my history you would see that I am a big proponent for having 1 (one / single) nationwide network independent of any service providers mainly because of the 2 things I pointed out above. If someone wants to provide services, that is fine. But they should not control the product and the method for getting it and any competing product delivered. We tried this back in the days of the railroad system, which is pretty similar to this. If it didnt work then without the government getting involved, what makes anyone think that it would work now?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1146436"><b>viperlmw</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Skippy25 <A HREF="/useremail/u/201506"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>The shear stupidity of your post warrants no comment, other than the fact that it is shear stupidity.<br> </DIV>DUDE!<br><br>I don't remember any personal attacks in my post, just some points to consider.  Do you have any thoughts on the subject, or do you resort to lashing out when you don't have a real thought of your own?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1191797"><b>dv</b></A> : Think about this:<br>Do you think these companies, google, youtube, myspace just have extra money laying around for paying for this?<br>I doubt it.<br><br>By increasing their bandwidth costs, it may not affect what we are paying our isp's but I GUARANTEE it will show up when you go to watch that video and they charge you for access to those sites.<br>Will you pay for that? I doubt I would. SO, ultimately they are forcing us to pay for all this, one way or another.<br>I pay enough for my server's current connections (2 colo'ed with an unmetered 100mbit link which costs me more than enough for them)<br>And I KNOW I could not pay more for bandwidth fees. My costs would increase, which again would come out of the customers pockets.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/525402"><b>Combat Chuck</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by anonpisser :</SMALL><br><br>this coming from a guy that supports a shill scam on wall street called Infinium labs.<br> </DIV>I sure hope you appreciate the irony of the name Phantom Entertainment, it works on so many levels.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1306125"><b>jtorre69</b></A> : skippy, go to your room. I told you not to talk when we are having adult conversation.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/639703"><b>wwdubbia</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Talis <A HREF="/useremail/u/415897"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</SMALL><BR><BR>Yes, they do.  Their project lightspeed is content.<br> </DIV>oh, so you're talking about subscription content anyway, nothing free that a casual surfer would care to access for free.  The post that I replied to was talking about mom and pop ISP's accessing ATT's content.  Can a non subscriber access Project Lightspeed?  There is a difference between 'content' and 'a service'.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/217284"><b>wtansill</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  NGOwner <A HREF="/useremail/u/245664"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Keep in mind that the bolded you in the above phrase refers not to individuals, but to companies. The individual consumer will not be hit (directly) with any cost increase.</DIV>Perhaps not "directly", but we will be hit.  I doubt that Google et. al. will eat increased access expense out of the goodness of their heart.  This expense will be passed on to the advertisers as a whole, and, consequently, to you and me.<br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  NGOwner <A HREF="/useremail/u/245664"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Here's the other thing. If the access pipe providers (telcos and cablecos) are unable to sufficiently monetize the development of next gen pipes, we as consumers won't be getting next gen pipes. The policies advocated under the broad umbrella of "net neutrality" eviscerate the access pipe providers' ability to monetize their networks.<br></DIV>Horse manure!  They are monetizing the hell out of existing networks.  There is nothing about new, higher-speed networks that prevents them from being monetized using the existing model.  This is nothing more than a naked greed play.</DIV><br><SMALL>--<br>That which does not kill me merely prolongs the agony.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/415897"><b>Talis</b></A> : Yes, they do.  Their project lightspeed is content.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><b>Thaler</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  johnh123 <A HREF="/useremail/u/723638"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I'm just wondering, when the bill becomes law, and the internet continues to flourish with new services, faster speeds, and more innovation, will everybody here acting like it is the end of the world admit they were wrong?</DIV>We probably won't be posting, as the 'net's "slow lane" will render most forums unusable.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/454292"><b>tsu9</b></A> : And when that dreamland <I>fails</I> to occur, will the supporters wake up and smell the roses?<br><br>:)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><b>Thaler</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  LinuxJunkie <A HREF="/useremail/u/1142851"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>They are in the process of providing bigger pipes: there was an article here on BBR only a day or two ago about how AT&T was quadrupling its backbone capacity to 40 Gbps at OC768 levels. That's NOT cheap.<br> </DIV>And these various speed-increase articles have been pushed to us for <B>how long</B> now, and America still hasn't seen much of a speed increase outside these spotty test sites? Hell, the last bandwidth "leap" I was avaliable to was several years ago from dial-up to broadband. I still await any kind of significant performance leap since then.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1142851"><b>LinuxJunkie</b></A> : They are in the process of providing bigger pipes: there was an article here on BBR only a day or two ago about how AT&T was quadrupling its backbone capacity to 40 Gbps at OC768 levels. That's NOT cheap.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/723638"><b>johnh123</b></A> : Good thing it passed.  Hopefully the senate will pass it as well.  <br><br>I'm just wondering, when the bill becomes law, and the internet continues to flourish with new services, faster speeds, and more innovation, will everybody here acting like it is the end of the world admit they were wrong?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><b>Thaler</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  TKJunkMail <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Your rates were going up no matter how this law came out. Higher bandwidth apps were going to increase rates. The only question is who is going to get more of your money - the isp's or the content providers.<br> </DIV>You're of course, under the assumption that telcos will actually provide bigger pipes. Since they run the show now, they have really no insentive to fund for better anything, but now can sell you back the internet you were used to at a premium rate.<br><br>Fuggin' awesome.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/639703"><b>wwdubbia</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  AnonProxy <A HREF="/useremail/u/388916"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I think you may be missing one small point:<br><br>The ability to "throttle" or provide now "better" access to sites will stop the free fall. What happens when AT&T starts trottling down local mom and pop ISP access to stuff on their network? You move from mom and pop to AT&T or mom and pop has to pay money to get access to AT&T.<br><br>Now AT&T's new marketing is "we are faster because we can throttle" the access of others to "our content". So there is a new created "value" to going with AT&T...so now they can "charge more" or at a minimum charge access fees to mom and pop ISP for access.<br> </DIV>ATT has content?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/201506"><b>Skippy25</b></A> : The shear stupidity of your post warrants no comment, other than the fact that it is shear stupidity.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/454292"><b>tsu9</b></A> : Customers <I>and</I> businesses are going to be screwed from this.  The only winner is the ISP, whom is now free to resume doing nothing.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/955459"><b>gar8182</b></A> : "Better that they subsidize the build than me."<br><br>Are you serious? In the end, it's always the "end-user" who pays. Google, eBay, et al. will just increase their user fees to compensate. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : tsu,   To bad only some of us are educated enough to understand "To every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction"<br>In short the customer is going to get shafted on this one.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : this coming from a guy that supports a shill scam on wall street called Infinium labs.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/388916"><b>AnonProxy</b></A> : I think you may be missing one small point:<br><br>The ability to "throttle" or provide now "better" access to sites will stop the free fall. What happens when AT&T starts trottling down local mom and pop ISP access to stuff on their network? You move from mom and pop to AT&T or mom and pop has to pay money to get access to AT&T.<br><br>Now AT&T's new marketing is "we are faster because we can throttle" the access of others to "our content". So there is a new created "value" to going with AT&T...so now they can "charge more" or at a minimum charge access fees to mom and pop ISP for access.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1146436"><b>viperlmw</b></A> : <div class="bquote">"Personally, I am happy to strongarm (some would say extort) google, yahoo, mytube, ebay, and all the other mega-internet firms to subsidize the next gen build for telcos and cablecos. Better that they subsidize the build than me."<br> </DIV>Bump!  I would also point out that, just like facilities based telecom, if you don't like what is out there, build your own.  If, as a CLEC, you don't like the incumbents wholesale rates for resale of dial-tone, build your own network.  If you don't like broadband providers prices or think they are restrictive, build your own and sell some service!  There is nothing in any of these laws to prevent new networks.  What?  To expensive, you say?  Well, there's the rub.  It's expensive for the incumbent to operate, maintain and invest in additional capacity.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1070995"><b>quetwo</b></A> : You do realize that those content providers won't just 'eat' the cost -- they will pass it on to us, either through subscription fees, or through more [intrusive] ads on their sites.  <br><br>And where does my $70/mo go to?   Shouldn't it be used to subsidize and build out the network?   I hope its not just going to somebody's paycheck....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/525402"><b>Combat Chuck</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Odie97 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1350628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Dominant telco's will now become the "gatekeeper's" to the traffic on the network (Internet) and the on/off ramp paths as well as "fast" and "slow" lanes of traffic (applications)based upon a set of conditions that they (the Telco's) will be able to set, fix and control.<br><br>Should make your lack of patience for the Telco's to move to anxiety and anger <br> </DIV>You are incorrect, at least as far as your implication that this grants the telcos additional powers.  The bill would have changed the rules, it being shot down just means everything stays the same for now.  Nothing prevents new legislation from being passed.  How about we wait to see if the telco chest-beating actually turns into reality before we pass new legislation that could have unforeseen wide reaching negative effects?<br><br>No one is going to die if Google's latency goes up a bit; we can afford to wait to see what happens and attempt to fix the problems if they come up.<br><SMALL>--<br>"The Board of Directors believes that the name change would be in the best interests of the Company because the new name better reflects the long-term growth strategy of the Company"</BR><br>-Infinium Labs on changing their name to Phantom Entertainment.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/245664"><b>NGOwner</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  rit56 <A HREF="/useremail/u/252810"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>do you really think for a second that a corporation is not going to increase our rates based on this? no way. they will now get it from both ends and you can bet your rates will go up.</DIV>I absolutely believe that the cost of Internet access is going down, not only for us as consumers, but for corporations as well. Look at ATT (formerly SBC). Their prices have been in a free fall. Everyone is running specials. Where there is competition, there are deals. My RR is running $24.99 per month because of ATT in the area. Look at FIOS's pricing in those areas where Cablevision is. Internet access is a COMMODITY. And as the supply increases its price is forced down.<br><br>In the corporate world, look at what Cogent has done to access pricing. Forced an off-a-precipice-like free fall.<br><br>As far as content providers are concerned, read this thread: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,15736829">Clueless head of the FCC?!</A><br><br>I speak extensively about how content providers will not be able to raise price.<br><br>The concept of Net Neutrality, IMHO, is government intervention and intrusion where none is (currently) warranted.<br><br>[NG]Owner<br><SMALL>--<br>It is impossible to create an idiot-proof product. Humanity is simply too adept at churning out better idiots.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/454292"><b>tsu9</b></A> : Both consumers and companies (particularly small businesses) will both be hit with additional fees (and penalties if they don't pay up).  Customers will pay more for access to websites, and those websites will forward that on to the ISPs, with ISPs dictating which sites can and cannot be reached properly.<br><br>It's comforting to know that small business sites can be destroyed by ISPs, should they not pay their protection monies.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>TKJunkMail</b></A> : Your rates were going up no matter how this law came out. Higher bandwidth apps were going to increase rates. The only question is who is going to get more of your money - the isp's or the content providers.<br><SMALL>--<br>--<BR><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/8n9wl">Join Red Room Forum</A><BR><A HREF="http://tkjunkmail.blogspot.com">BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com</A><BR><A HREF="http://tkjunkmail.googlepages.com">My Web Page</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:45:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/252810"><b>rit56</b></A> : "Personally, I am happy to strongarm (some would say extort) google, yahoo, mytube, ebay, and all the other mega-internet firms to subsidize the next gen build for telcos and cablecos. Better that they subsidize the build than me."<br><br>do you really think for a second that a corporation is not going to increase our rates based on this? no way. they will now get it from both ends and you can bet your rates will go up. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:41:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>TKJunkMail</b></A> : Truer words were never spoken.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:39:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/245664"><b>NGOwner</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  nasadude <A HREF="/useremail/u/489959"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>net neutrality: weak provisions are BAD - in absence of clear rules telcos will set up a "fast" lane and a "slow" lane; if <B>you</B> don't pay for the fast lane, applications or web sites will be in the slow lane. Think of it as the AOLization of the entire U.S. internet (please note this will only diminish the U.S. network; rest of the world is not impacted). By AOLization, I mean the telcos will control what you can access and how you can access it - if youtube doesn't pay for the fast lane, streaming videos could be slow and jerky, with frequent pauses while video loads.</DIV>Keep in mind that the bolded you in the above phrase refers not to individuals, but to companies. The individual consumer will not be hit (directly) with any cost increase.<br><br>Here's the other thing. If the access pipe providers (telcos and cablecos) are unable to sufficiently monetize the development of next gen pipes, we as consumers won't be getting next gen pipes. The policies advocated under the broad umbrella of "net neutrality" eviscerate the access pipe providers' ability to monetize their networks.<br><br>Personally, I am happy to strongarm (some would say extort) google, yahoo, mytube, ebay, and all the other mega-internet firms to subsidize the next gen build for telcos and cablecos. Better that they subsidize the build than me.<br><br>I'd also like to see CNET's source for this: <div class="bquote">While the debate over Net neutrality started over whether broadband providers could block certain Web sites, it has moved on to whether they should be permitted to create a "fast lane" that could be reserved for video or other specialized content.</DIV>Net Neutrality has NEVER been about blocking certain websites. The only example I'm aware of is a tiny ISP blocking a VoIP provider. And as soon as that came to light, the FCC ripped the tiny ISP a huge new one. Does anyone have a source that back's up CNET's claim?<br><SMALL>--<br>It is impossible to create an idiot-proof product. Humanity is simply too adept at churning out better idiots.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:33:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/454292"><b>tsu9</b></A> : They now, effectively, can dictate what you can and cannot reach.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:22:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/489959"><b>nasadude</b></A> : the COPE act is the bill (H.R.5252) containing various provisions on net neutrality, TV franchising and "competition". Things in the bill:<br><br>national franchising for TV: BAD - telcos no longer have to build out service to everyone, they can redline; GOOD - telcos can build out faster<br><br>net neutrality: weak provisions are BAD - in absence of clear rules telcos will set up a "fast" lane and a "slow" lane; if you don't pay for the fast lane, applications or web sites will be in the slow lane. Think of it as the AOLization of the entire U.S. internet (please note this will only diminish the U.S. network; rest of the world is not impacted). By AOLization, I mean the telcos will control what you can access and how you can access it - if youtube doesn't pay for the fast lane, streaming videos could be slow and jerky, with frequent pauses while video loads.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:21:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1350628"><b>Odie97</b></A> : Dominant telco's will now become the "gatekeeper's" to the traffic on the network (Internet) and the on/off ramp paths as well as "fast" and "slow" lanes of traffic (applications)based upon a set of conditions that they (the Telco's) will be able to set, fix and control.<br><br>Should make your lack of patience for the Telco's to move to anxiety and anger ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:06:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>TKJunkMail</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  User0101 <A HREF="/useremail/u/735680"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Will someone take the political speak out of this topic and put it in real world terms. First I've heard of the "Cope Act" but I've not followed this topic very strongly due to my lack of patience with Telcos.<br> </DIV>See this msg thread for more info on the law and the positions of advocates and opponents.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,16265444">Debate in progress on CSPAN on COPE Act</A><br><SMALL>--<br>--<BR><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/8n9wl">Join Red Room Forum</A><BR><A HREF="http://tkjunkmail.blogspot.com">BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com</A><BR><A HREF="http://tkjunkmail.googlepages.com">My Web Page</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:06:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/735680"><b>User0101</b></A> : Will someone take the political speak out of this topic and put it in real world terms. First I've heard of the "Cope Act" but I've not followed this topic very strongly due to my lack of patience with Telcos.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 08:56:54 EDT</pubDate>
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