Re: Universities overstating cost impact in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16286627 en Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:17:55 EDT Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:17:55 EDT Re: Universities overstating cost impact http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16292521 KrK :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Unless overturned by the Supreme Court, this ruling means that universities, ISP's, etc. must install wiretapping equipment at their own expense so that law enforcement(with a court order) can tap into VOIP, emails, IM's, etc, on internet connections.
And so the Department of Homeland security, the IRS, or whomever else can also tap into everything WITHOUT a court order, if they so wish.

Great. I feel safer already.
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said by Jim Gurd See Profile :

So what's to stop people from encrypting their VoIP? It's not hard to do and can be done either in the router firmware or on the PC itself. Skype is a perfect example.
This isn't just for VoIP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16289374 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:29:47 EDT Re: Universities overstating cost impact http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16289267 kamm :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by tiger72 See Profile :

A quick look at the Missouri's University network shows that we have peering with ATT and Qwest (in the past we had one with SBC also, but since the merger that doesn't count anymore). Point being? ATT already watches and logs everything we do - no need for redundency.
I doubt they do that, no matter what the buzz is about NSA & AT&T.
Well, that's your usual pro-corporation, pro-Bush uninformed-styled crap - they do it.
FYI: that's the point behind the direct fiber split to the NSA, to be able to see everything..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16289267 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:10:52 EDT Re: Universities overstating cost impact http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16289117 guitarzan : I can understand the universities philosophical disagreement.They are after all there to instruct an teach, not do police work or spy on its enrolled students.I can see the Schools admins monitoring the network to keep it operational.
What is being asked here,Is that not unreasonable search and seizure?

However TK, due to the political nature of recent events.I have to agree, with you here

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the Supreme Court, as currently constituted, will uphold this ruling
Not only will the court let it stand, they will see no point of contention to debate its merits, Case closed end of story,is what will happen.
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You forgot pedophiles, the other magic word.
*gasp*
shh. we've said too much. Now that they know they might be targeted, we're ruining everything!
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said by tiger72 See Profile :

said by batterup See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

law enforcement(with a court order) can tap into VOIP, emails, IM's, etc,
Court order?? Badges? We don't need no stinken badges.
Terrorists don't use badges and court orders, so niether should we!
You forgot pedophiles, the other magic word.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16288955 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:21:49 EDT Re: Universities overstating cost impact http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16288941 tiger72 :
said by batterup See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

law enforcement(with a court order) can tap into VOIP, emails, IM's, etc,
Court order?? Badges? We don't need no stinken badges.
Terrorists don't use badges and court orders, so niether should we!
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

law enforcement(with a court order) can tap into VOIP, emails, IM's, etc,
Court order?? Badges? We don't need no stinken badges.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16288778 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:57:08 EDT Re: Universities overstating cost impact http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16288562 scrummie02 : there shouldn't be any tax increase at all, the spending is out of control. There needs to be better accountability, and we need to get these RINOs out of office. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16288562 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:23:10 EDT Re: Universities overstating cost impact http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16287416 fiberguy :
said by scrummie02 See Profile :

Either way, the government should pay the costs if that's what they choose to mandate..
Bentman, unfortunately our government is full of unfunded mandated.

I totally agree with you and have much to add to this. I am all for being safe which is the federal government's #1 job! (which they seem to loose sight of many a' times) And I agree, "we the people" which is the government need to start making money available for securty vs. the overly funded program of trying to find out why people have buyers remourse when they purchase a vehicle.

If they want to mandate things, they need to be prepared to pay for it - to a reasonable point - and this is one of them. When are "we the people" going to stop allowing our government to 'control' us and start representing us.

The sooner Bush goes, the better off we will be.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16287416 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:31:06 EDT Re: Universities overstating cost impact http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16287214 Toadman : You are going to pay for either way, Taxes or service fee increase. I would rather see the ISP pay for it, it would be more fair for someone who uses it to pay for it...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16287214 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:58:59 EDT Re: Universities overstating cost impact http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16286869 anon : I think the FCC is being un-realistic.

Why don't they make a device or devices that can be deployed to do the monitoring. It's them that want to monitor they should fit the bill..

F-it.. I want this paid for directly out of the congressional (fund raising coffers {oops I do mean personal piggybank).

The corruption needs to end.. Corporation need not be able to purchase congress and senators and in turn laws.

Stop the corruption!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16286869 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:04:10 EDT Re: Universities overstating cost impact http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16286875 TKJunkMail :
said by tiger72 See Profile :

A quick look at the Missouri's University network shows that we have peering with ATT and Qwest (in the past we had one with SBC also, but since the merger that doesn't count anymore). Point being? ATT already watches and logs everything we do - no need for redundency.
I doubt they do that, no matter what the buzz is about NSA & AT&T. But it really doesn't matter. Because law enforcement may want to tap LOCAL LAN traffic while pursuing a criminal. And AT&T or Qwest or whoever wouldn't see traffic contained within the university lans. And a court order would still apply there too.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I think the universities are GREATLY overstating the costs of implementing this. Most already have the network mgt tools(sniffers for ex.) in place to do this with little additional costs. I believe they are exaggerating the costs because they have a philosophical disagreement with helping the government and law enforcement to catch students breaking the law.

Unless overturned by the Supreme Court, this ruling means that universities, ISP's, etc. must install wiretapping equipment at their own expense so that law enforcement(with a court order) can tap into VOIP, emails, IM's, etc, on internet connections. And I believe the Supreme Court, as currently constituted, will uphold this ruling.
Why should universities be forced to do this in the first place? They have peering agreements with outside networks like ATT for example. A quick look at the Missouri's University network shows that we have peering with ATT and Qwest (in the past we had one with SBC also, but since the merger that doesn't count anymore). Point being? ATT already watches and logs everything we do - no need for redundency.
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Either way, the government should pay the costs if that's what they choose to mandate..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16286627 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:13:33 EDT Re: Universities overstating cost impact http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16286535 Jim Gurd : So what's to stop people from encrypting their VoIP? It's not hard to do and can be done either in the router firmware or on the PC itself. Skype is a perfect example.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16286535 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:57:51 EDT Re: Universities overstating cost impact http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16286528 brianiscool : Prick us! Do we need bleed?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16286528 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:55:16 EDT Universities overstating cost impact http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16286524 TKJunkMail : I think the universities are GREATLY overstating the costs of implementing this. Most already have the network mgt tools(sniffers for ex.) in place to do this with little additional costs. I believe they are exaggerating the costs because they have a philosophical disagreement with helping the government and law enforcement to catch students breaking the law.

Unless overturned by the Supreme Court, this ruling means that universities, ISP's, etc. must install wiretapping equipment at their own expense so that law enforcement(with a court order) can tap into VOIP, emails, IM's, etc, on internet connections. And I believe the Supreme Court, as currently constituted, will uphold this ruling.
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