http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16300458 en Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:20:12 EDT Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:20:12 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16305626 owenhome : It's not a direct compare and contrast. It is a little more than obvious that the value disparity between a car and a pizza is very large and beyond the scope of the topic, but still, that's not the point.

The point is, everyone, every single one of us, should get what we pay for. It's that simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Personally, I find it extremely dubious for any company to offer a product or service for sale and use that's not only unfit for its stated purpose, but doesn't even exist in its promised form.

There is a finite point were competition stops breeding advancements, innovation, and cost reduction, and instead breeds liars, cheats, and thieves. As a society, by and large, we accept that as being part of the world we live in. And don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise, that's just the way it is. Our lawmakers and law enforcers protect use for the most part from each other and from most petty shysters. Where our great country fails us, however, is when big business cheats us and steals from us. Whether it's by selling us non-existent products and services, or selling us medication that kills us, it makes no difference.
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I think that was a bad comparison since when you purchase a car it's a fixed price upfront. Not a reoccuring payment. Unless you said lease, then it would make sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16300705 Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:18:39 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16300637 owenhome : So you're saying DSL, cable broadband, cars, and pizza are perfect?

Hardly.

But at least they are capable of supporting the product they offer.

Most of the time, you have to have something to offer before you sell it.

Howabout this, you pay me $30,000 for a new car, and I give you a pizza? Lot's of people appreciate a good pizza.
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You don't offer the service until the infrastructure required to support the service is in place!

Was DSL available before the DSLAM's and backbone were in place? Um, no.

Was cable broadband available before its fiber and backbone were in place? Nope.

Can you buy a car from the dealer and drive it off the lot that hasn't been built yet? Don't think so.

Can you order a pizza from a pizza place without an oven? No. DiGiorno?

The plain and simple fact of the matter is that they are selling a service that they, as of yet, cannot offer. Make the money first, provide the service later. This is right up there with selling real-estate on the moon!

Why is it that if you or I engaged in such behavior, we would be charged, judged, and sentenced for it? But when big business does it, it's just "read the TOS"? There are much more accurate and descriptive names for these companies than "wireless providers" such as swindler, con-men, snake oil peddlers, used car dealers, etc.

There are government agencies and laws that were put in place to protect us, US citizens, from this type of abuse. But, just like with the DMCA, **AA, health care and health insurance, BPL, toxic waste dumps, even murder, if you're big business, with big money and deep pockets, you are beyond reproach.

Welcome to the United States of America Inc. Used to, the 50 stars meant 50 states. Now it's the minimum number, in billions, you have to be worth to be able to screw the living crap out of any US citizen without being hassled.
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