Suggestion for Team Names in BOINC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16345208 en Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:04:19 EDT Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:04:19 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16389220 Starfish : :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16389220 Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:20:32 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16383946 usa2k : A small clarification of specific FOCUS statements.

said by usa2k See Profile :

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Starfire is still Seti oriented.

HELIX is Cancer focused. ...
Better FOCUS statements were said here:

said by sortofageek See Profile from http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16018463;iframe=1#16018463 :

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- Team Discovery theme is Medical Research - current focus is on cures for cancer and childhood diseases.

- Team Helix theme is Medical Research - current focus is on understanding protein structure and folding with an aim at cure of multiple diseases.

- Team RC5 theme is encryption and cryptography.

- Team Starfire theme - primary focus is search for extra terrestrial life with secondary focus on earth and space science based projects.

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FOCUS is the purpose of those forums.

It is my prayer that Stanford will have a cancer breakthrough!









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Another thought:
distributed.DSLReports.com as a name . . . pointing to
http://www.dslreports.com/forums/16 . . . would even be more unified than just unified BOINC stats.

Just like HELIX is Team #4,
Helix could be distributed.DSLReports.com or similar.
Same focus, same HELIX name on our forum name to Google,
only stats name would be more consistent for all Teams.
(Just my own scattered thoughts and trying to refine/define what is being said here.)

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FWD, Vonage 01/03-12/04, 04/06-now]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16383946 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:21:07 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16378202 Starfish :
I think there will always be people who are running particular projects for either:

- the goal itself
- the stats

Although this has been discussed many times over the years, personally I don't think it really matters if someone runs a project for reason 1 or for reason 2; either way: work is at last being done, and no matter if one is running a project for personal reasons or for stats, both reasons can and do motivate people.

When it comes to a change in feel/focus for the family/community, I don't think this idea will really have that much impact. Each team will still keep its own name, its own forum, its own goals and therefore I also think that the focus would certainly not shift to stats somehow simply because some global umbrella name is 'synchronised' among our teams.

Basically, like the 'Reaching for the Sky as One' image showed on the old General Distributed Computing forum.

People who are not interested in the stats will probably never notice the difference because it is not likely that those people even look at the combined stats anyway. :p

All of this is of course also in my humble opinion. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16378202 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:56:33 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16378196 72245156 : Well said Jim. It's obvious you can see the big picture. :)
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said by dandelion See Profile :

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Yes, it would be nice to have new members with the same goals as I have and others have on the team, in order to possibly help find that cure. IMO however, the goal would change to stats rather than cures if all were combined . . .
Its been said many times that in lack of a team name they use one with a big presence.
Like John said here (bold for emphasis):
said by John Keck See Profile from http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16085325~days=9999~start=20;iframe=1#16351504 :

All I am waiting for is BBR teams on the various projects. Until they turn up I join BOINCstats since I use them for my stat sig on the projects.

[edit] LHC has the best screensaver in my opinion. Just wish that project had more support.
The key is FOCUS. The existing teams have FOCUS.

Starfire is still Seti oriented.

HELIX is Cancer focused. DISCOVERY, RC5 seem focused but I'm not there to know personally. DC is project focused.

As long as we maintain our subcultures in their separate forums, they can come to the BIG BOINC forum and learn of the special interest FOCUS. We can link BOINC to them.

Space Exploration see http://www.dslreports.com/forum/seti
Cancer Related see http://www.dslreports.com/forum/helix
Cancer and Childhood Disease http://www.dslreports.com/forum/disco
Encryption Cracking see http://www.dslreports.com/forum/rc5
Special Projects see http://www.dslreports.com/forum/dcprojects

A big stats presence can help all the goals here. Even some as narrow as FAH like I currently have. BOINC is popular and could bring all sorts of interest.

(These are only my personal opinions.)
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FWD, Vonage 01/03-12/04, 04/06-now]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16378187 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:47:55 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16378063 dandelion : Starfish, you originally helped me find my way to Team Helix (not sure if you remember :) ). I had read about SETI on site for awhile and actually had SETI on my computer before I joined DSLR, but that is not where my interests and concern was. When I found there was a way I could contribute to research that would help with medical answers, I joined. Regarding P@H "However, whether it is approved or not, I will continue to run it hoping to add my small part in the research. In other words, the stats and presence in the BOINC community don't affect my decisions."
Yes, it would be nice to have new members with the same goals as I have and others have on the team, in order to possibly help find that cure. IMO however, the goal would change to stats rather then cures if all were combined and our family/community wouldn't have the same feel/focus. Whether running one computer or ten we all know/hope that we are important and could possibly have the information needed for important research, and quite a few have very personal reasons for folding including myself.

However, realize this is just one person talking and I am NOT talking for anyone else on the team. Also realize that whatever is the final outcome and decision of the Team reps, I plan to still crunch away! :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16378063 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:30:25 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16378018 Starfish :
said by dandelion See Profile :



8< --- snip --- 8<

The team is more about that then any presence in the community, and our new members that join usually join because of that rather then stats and presence also. :)
I certainly understand your perspective dandelion, but I would also like to remark (especially regarding the bold marked bit), that:

Every team here has its own goals (e.g. finding cures by finding protein folding).

To (help) reach said goal, I would think that a team would rather have more members than less members. (more members = more work done = making faster progress towards this goal)

For this, new members are needed and surely they ultimately decide to join or not based on the goal, but these new members have to find you first:

E.g. I did find, no stumpled upon, Team Helix about 6 years ago only because I was looking for some information about my cable modem!

And would you only like to attract members who are already a member at BroadBandReports.com? Granted, there are currently about 870K active member logins, which is certainly a lot, but why limit your team to only try and attract members from this site and not look more towards the entire internet?

What m00kie proposed is not directly about the stats. It is about using the stats though, in the sense of working under one general name to get a bigger presence among the other big (say) 20 teams... and to get a bigger, more recognisable, presence on the internet, hoping to attract new members.

This in such a way that existing teams/communities here at BBR just remain the same, but the way in which they are 'advertised' to the outside world is more focused and powerful.

All this with the idea of attracting new people to support our various goals. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16378018 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 04:50:36 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16376923 m00kie : edit]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16376923 Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:49:55 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16376594 dandelion : I understand your post mOOkie, or at least think I do :). I understand that the common name would make for more of an impression in the BOINC community also. Maybe one part of the problem is the way the stats are added also. Appears that there shouldn't be a problem with a DSLR Team Helix, DSLR Team Discovery etc. having combined stats.

I'd also like to add a little different perspective, if I may. I would not have downloaded and run BOINC if there were no projects related to protein study. I have requested P@H to be a part of the DSLR community because I think it is a worthwhile project along with Rosetta. However, whether it is approved or not, I will continue to run it hoping to add my small part in the research. In other words, the stats and presence in the BOINC community don't affect my decisions. I hesitate to speak for others, however in my time on Team Helix, reading the threads, I can pretty well say quite a number feel the same way. The TH community is hoping to find a cure for some diseases by evaluating protein folding. The team is more about that then any presence in the community, and our new members that join usually join because of that rather then stats and presence also. :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16376594 Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:51:07 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16367579 m00kie : My suggestion was not intended to cause divisiveness although it seems to have done just that. If you take the time to reread my comments you will not see any attempt by me to harm any team. If anything, my idea was to promote a unity across all teams without preference for one over the other. Having said that, I never proposed making one big team. As has been said in this thread a team is a community, and I agree; note I have said that teams should continue to have their own forums. Whether you choose to believe me or not, I intended only to make us all stronger.

So what happened? Normally when someone posts an idea for a change people either say "yeah, I agree" or "no, I don't like that" or maybe even "not a bad idea but it would be even better if we did such and such". Instead, long harbored feelings of animosity came to the surface. It didn't used to be that way here, so it's ironic that an idea whose intent was to increase unity has had the opposite effect. I regret that very much.

It has been pointed out that a name change is impossible because one of the founders has run off with the account info. I'm not certain that that is a problem that couldn't be overcome. Maybe it can be overcome, maybe not. But that is actually a side issue because it doesn't matter whether the "keys" are available or not, if you are against changing the name no matter what. Just be direct and say "I think your idea stinks".

A while back when a related discussion was taking place someone said to me that our teams are too different. Maybe they were right but I'd like to think that we're all just people. We crunch the projects that we do because we believe in them. We gather and discuss in our forums because we enjoy each other's company. We all have members with diverse backgrounds. And we all like to be treated with a modicum of respect and courtesy.

Maybe we all need to back off a bit and remember that our similarities are greater than our differences. I don't intend to post in this thread any more, not because I'm not willing to talk, which I most certainly am, but because I fear that anything I say might get twisted and will raise the level of animosity even more.

Sorry for the long post.
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Personally, I don't see that as being a good idea. I have no problem with each project team having a standard BBR name tag - such as Broadbandreports Team Starfire or Broadbandreports Team Helix etc. I think that would make good sense from a site identity point of view. People would immediately recognise each project team as being an official BBR team.

I don't however see that there is any need for one, across the project board, BOINC team. As someone else mentioned BOINC is merely the software we're using to crunch our projects. I don't think we need a software specific team. If it's only for stats purposes then it's even less necessary in my opinion.

We all crunch different projects for different reasons. It's not a competition between projects as far as I am concerned. I think each project needs to keep it's own team identity but at the same time reflect that fact that we're all crunching under the BBR name.

It's more about a public presence than anything I think - for me anyway, it's not about the stats.

Just wanted to clarify my position on this :)

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BBR or DSLR is so much easier to say, but won't lead too many people here as Broadbandreports.com would.

I kinda wonder for the BOINC enthusiasts if there are projects that for some reason would be banned? If not, why not allow small splinter groups to use a commonized name for Team effort?

BroadbandReports.com-BOINC Or BOINC.BroadbandReports.com

The second could be an alias to the »BOINC link.

Don't mind me though. Unless I actually ran BOINC, my opinion is more like an interested bystander.
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FWD, Vonage 01/03-12/04, 04/06-now]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364976 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:26:02 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16363213 danny9 : I have to agree mOOkie.
Broadbandreports.com works.
Lets take the stronger presence.
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said by tmpchaos See Profile :

But it should be... it's like making a compendium of the XP users running a particular project. It's the project that matters, not the software running it.
I certainly understand your point, but let's not forget that BOINC is also designed to make managing multiple projects easier by providing a basic platform to which a user can attach one of more projects... and many, many people are actually using that feature because they want to contribute to more that just a single project.

In the last few days I've seen more than one person with 5, and even 10+ projects listed in their stats image/signature on various websites.

Also there are many big teams (Ars Technica, Dutch Power Cows, Rechenkraft.net, Overclockers.com, BOINC Synergy, Team MacNN, FreeDC and many more) who are indeed running their projects under one (umbrella) name, and presenting themselves as one powerful team (the point and reason m00kie mentions in the opening post) while still having distict teams/communities on their respective sites for the individual projects.

An possible idea would be to have something like the following under the team info of the various projects:

Team name: BroadBandReports.com
Team Description: BroadBandReports.com Team {Helix, Starfire, Discovery, ...}

and to provide the respective links and team details.

For promoting and advertising ones entire community (not just the computing clubs), I don't think it is a bad idea to also consider doing this. After all, succes does help to create/sustain a new influx of members from outside DSLR/BBR. Being listed all the way on page number X (with likely X being > 1) of some team overview does not help that.

My few cents. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16361651 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:01:21 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16361559 mig : I can't really add much more to this discussion than what I already stated earlier, as I'm in no place to here @ DLSReports.

With that said, I would hope that all parties here could just take a step back and a take a few deep breaths. Please give this "new scopes" & "new projects" some time to adjust so it can grow.

I basically can see both sides points and would hope that the DCS people in the forums who are running BOINC projects can get together and try and come to an amicable solution. It's fence stradling I know ......... but the cause it to great in the long run and I would rather crunch here than go out on my own as that would make it more difficult to attract others to R@H by myself. The site here is just too great an opportunity.

I see our team participants has dropped a bit at R@H. I would hope that there might be some reconsideration on that as I believe the cause is too great and your contributions are too great. It really is nice to see others from different Teams here at DSLR crunching away on R@H. I would hope that there will be more down the road.

Kind of strayed OT, but felt compelled to speak (write) :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16361559 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:45:20 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16360916 tmpchaos : But it should be... it's like making a compendium of the XP users running a particular project. It's the project that matters, not the software running it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16360916 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:13:11 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16360889 Xaak :
said by tmpchaos See Profile :

So it seems to me that a compendium of BOINC stats is fairly irrelevant.
It's certainly not irrelevant to most BOINC users.
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said by tmpchaos See Profile :

Bearing the site name is applicable only to teams that have gained approval from management. It's not something that can be done on the spur of the moment. There is an established process in place for doing so.
Hi, tmpchaos. I'm not sure if you were responding to me directly. If you weren't then pay me no mind ;)

My initial post and any others after it refers only to officially sanctioned teams and all my examples show that. I have not proposed that any unsupported teams include the BBR name. My post was an attempt to begin a discussion about an idea.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16360726 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:44:16 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16360492 tmpchaos : Bearing the site name is applicable only to teams that have gained approval from management. It's not something that can be done on the spur of the moment. There is an established process in place for doing so.
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usa2k See Profile said it best that in their heart, they know what cause they are crunching for and truthfully, I hope everyone does in your heart. I would like nothing more than to see all teams here united under one team name. For one, it bolsters a sense of unity. It creates a buzz that will attract more people to our forums and to crunch for our various causes.

I think the problem is that projects have the, "this is our sandbox and these are our toys and we aren't willing to share or be openminded about them" syndrome. If we could get past that, we wouldn't have a need for a DCS.
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said by paul See Profile :

Why don't we start with Starfire? We could change the Seti team name, Einstein, too. Any other teams created from here on out can follow the system also.

Paul
Sounds like a good idea to me. Team Starfire has been leading the way in BOINC all along. That would also increase the project count on our top team from 3 to 5, assuming PP@H and orbit@home are changed as well. It probably will not be enough to bump us to 4th spot but it is a step in the right direction.

As for which projects I'm interested in a BBR team the list is here: »www.boincstats.com/stats/boinc_u···214ea0e5]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16359440 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:35:09 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16358073 usa2k : I like the attitude of wanting one big team.
And big stats as a result.
(Maybe even if it abandons past stats?)
(Maybe to abandon past stats would give back control?)

It shows a strong support to our host DSLR, and to them we should be thankful for the best of the best in a quality forum space to meet and interact.

I also understand why Team Helix for example, stands only for solving cancer. That is a single-minded focus. I have this focus and it will never change for me personally.

The name is not important, but my heart and soul tells me to do what I can do for Stanford; including attracting more people to be cancer focused. The Team Helix forum could be called Cancer Focus and I would not care if the actual team name changed (if it could)

I hope I am clear on what I am saying. We can be one Team, but I hope there are Helix minded people that have a Forum to be Helix(Cancer) focused.

And though we discuss here, there is plenty for DCS to discuss and refine and recommend.
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FWD, Vonage 01/03-12/04, 04/06-now]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16358073 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:41:49 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16357794 paul : Why don't we start with Starfire? We could change the Seti team name, Einstein, too. Any other teams created from here on out can follow the system also.

Paul]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16357794 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:54:40 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16357624 MikeC : It is just silly...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16357624 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:33:57 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16357378 Xaak : One benefit, something that might be "better", is that we'd be thinking more like a community and less like separate "families". Apparently that's not at all a priority here.
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I understand wanting to have the same name and the stats thing. I can see that it would be beneficial to have all BOINC teams with the same name... good exposure. Easier to attract more members, shows unity, etc. I think it's a really good idea within this forum.

But, I also think that if it were Discovery, I'd want to keep our name (Team Discovery) as part of the team name. I like the association between our teams on this site, but we are our own little family and enjoy our own identity. Something as small as the word "Discovery" in the team name is important in making that distinction as a unique group. Silly, perhaps.

Would having the same name on all teams make the teams bigger and better? Bigger, maybe. But, as Gomez said, that's only one measure of what is better.
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said by m00kie See Profile :

said by Gomez See Profile :

said by m00kie See Profile :

It will give us a much stronger presence in the DC world of BOINC.
What exactly does this mean? Is it stats aggregation, in that common team names across projects have combined stats?
The main attraction of crunching under BOINC is the ease with which you can crunch multiple projects. Many BOINC users are attracted to teams that have a presence in all the BOINC projects. For example if you're a BOINC user and looking for a team, it's easy to be attracted to someone like BOINC Synergy, or Anandtech or any number of others that crunch all the BOINC projects. You know if you're a member of one of those teams and wish to crunch a brand new project that you can find your team represented there.

I realize we have extra steps to go through here with site approval etc. And I know we're a long way off from being one of those BOINC teams that can offer any project to its members. I was only hoping to take us one step closer to that end goal, a name that would unify us across all BOINC distributed computing projects.
And that's fine.. and that's something we can deal with if/when more teams get added under the umbrella of this forum.

But the wishes of this forum have no bearing on the teams beyond it.
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said by Gomez See Profile :

said by m00kie See Profile :

It will give us a much stronger presence in the DC world of BOINC.
What exactly does this mean? Is it stats aggregation, in that common team names across projects have combined stats?
The main attraction of crunching under BOINC is the ease with which you can crunch multiple projects. Many BOINC users are attracted to teams that have a presence in all the BOINC projects. For example if you're a BOINC user and looking for a team, it's easy to be attracted to someone like BOINC Synergy, or Anandtech or any number of others that crunch all the BOINC projects. You know if you're a member of one of those teams and wish to crunch a brand new project that you can find your team represented there.

I realize we have extra steps to go through here with site approval etc. And I know we're a long way off from being one of those BOINC teams that can offer any project to its members. I was only hoping to take us one step closer to that end goal, a name that would unify us across all BOINC distributed computing projects.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16357213 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:46:12 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16356886 Gomez :
said by Xaak See Profile :

Gomez, while interest, and the reason for crunching a project may not be stats, it's still nice to see the combined efforts, and to be able to go to one place to see how all the BOINC teams here on BBR are doing.

Every team has here has links to their stats listed, and most have milestone posts on a regular basis. While stats may or may not be the primary reason a person crunches, it doesn't follow that the consensus is that stats are unimportant.
Then it's an issue for the teams to discuss privately.

Additionaly, it might be a valid discussion for teams that ultimately fall under the umbrella of this forum. But the domain of the discussion pretty much ends there.
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Every team has here has links to their stats listed, and most have milestone posts on a regular basis. While stats may or may not be the primary reason a person crunches, it doesn't follow that the consensus is that stats are unimportant.
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said by 72245156 See Profile :

Increased overall combined BOINC stats ranking creating greater exposure for BBR DC and for the site overall. It's called success. And bringing the clubs together instead of driving them apart.
I'm not so sure success is gauged by the ranking on a stats web-page. If I hear from the top that it's a requirement, then I can adjust my thinking.

Until then, success is pretty subjective. People working on the stuff they want to work on, and having an active community surrounding those efforts seems to be to some degree, "success".

And to address Sysadmin See Profile Understood, but the feedback I get is largely interested in a given project based on many things, but for the most part, not aggregated stats.
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When you have all the BOINC projects with the same team name you can get results like this »www.boincsynergy.com/stats/boinc-teams.php

I hope this clears things up a bit. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16356566 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:18:36 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16356315 perryjay : Shows how much I know...I always thought we were one big team with some of us focusing on one thing and another group focusing on another. I feel the same way about a team name change as I did about the site name change. If I can still get here then I could care less what we're called.

( by the way, what is the site name now?)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16356315 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:38:24 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16356304 Gomez :
said by 72245156 See Profile :

Increased overall combined BOINC stats ranking creating greater exposure for BBR DC and for the site overall. It's called success. And bringing the clubs together instead of driving them apart.
Thanks for the clarification.

I assume that if I go to the main stats page, and do lots of scrolling, I would find each team. But, with a common name, I would see a single time, with the combined effort metric. Valid assumption?
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said by m00kie See Profile :

It will give us a much stronger presence in the DC world of BOINC.
What exactly does this mean? Is it stats aggregation, in that common team names across projects have combined stats? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16356233 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:24:10 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16355800 m00kie : Now that the other thread is no longer accessible we can continue here.

I have folded with Team Helix before. I always felt that made me a member. If presenting ideas or asking questions somehow makes me less, then so be it. I will not stop bringing up ideas or expressing myself because one or two people won't like it. What kind of place would BroadbandReports be if we allowed that to happen.

In any case I will continue to explore the idea of tieing the Boinc teams together. If anyone has any other ideas or opinions I would really appreciate hearing them.
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said by m00kie See Profile :

It is currently impossible to tie all the BOINC teams together for the purposes of stats without those BOINC teams having the identical name.
Did not realize this, since all teams have different goals, I'm also not interested in a name change. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16355770 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:08:14 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16355625 m00kie : Yes, not having founder access sure presents a problem.

I always thought TH held an important place with Folding@Home and Vijay Pande. Important enough to facilitate a name change. I was obviously wrong.

In any case, a recent post in the Helix has made it clear that even if a name change were possible, it would not be welcome.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16355625 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:46:47 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16355549 Xaak : Good points, but keep in mind that for R@H at least, the name can be changed at any time. It's entirely possible for us to use the same name now, and when FAH comes out with the boinc client, they can take another look at the R@H name at that point.

Right now there's no tie-in between FAH and R@H, so why not address the requests of the BOINC users now, for the time being, and then when the facts are known about FAH BOINC, deal with when/if it becomes an issue. Helix has control of the R@H founder account so it shouldn't be an issue when the time comes to rethink the names.
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However, I think that Team Helix should be given plenty of time to decide on this, as they have stated they are awaiting possible name change (or merge) with F@H in the BOINC area, not to mention not having control of their current Team name (something I was unaware until this thread).

And though we've all gone through some "interesting" times here lately, I for one am happy to just be able to crunch for R@H and have a place (Team Helix) to do that here.

At the risk of alienating myself from yet one more Team,( and I'm running out of them rapidly ;)) let's just take a little time and see where Team Helix & F@H is going, especially in the BOINC area. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16355359 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:08:51 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16354737 Xaak : I guess I have two questions then. Are you sure that you can't change the Boinc team name when folding comes out of beta? And is there no way to contact your original team creator and ask him to make the name change, even if he won't turn the team over?
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said by Xaak See Profile :

I guess that would depend on whether we're one community, or a bunch of separate teams. I'd like to see us as one community, but apparently others want to keep things as separate teams ;-).
Apparently not. "others" have no way to change DSLReports Team Helix, due to circumstances beyond our control. It isn't correct to profess that anyone currently here and active is somehow holding up a change, when in fact there is nothing we can do.

Comments that suggest divisiveness when it does not exist aren't quite "cricket".

Thanks.

-Matt]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16354684 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:24:03 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16354570 m00kie : It is currently impossible to tie all the BOINC teams together for the purposes of stats without those BOINC teams having the identical name. That is the problem we're facing.

Any variation in the team names at the individual projects will make it impossible for the stats to reflect properly. In a perfect world each project team could have it's own name but allow a mechanism for tieing those names together under the same umbrella. But, alas, that's not possible. That's why I suggested we use the same name and differentiate ourselves in the team description field.

For example:

for Seti@Home
Team name: BroadbandReports.com
Team Description: Team Starfire - Broadband users crunching to find ET!
for Rosetta@Home
Team Name BroadbandReports.com
Team Description: Team Helix - Searching for cures, one protein at a time!

Also, each team would still point to the appropriate forum

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said by m00kie See Profile :

Why not just name all those teams Broadbandreports.com or DSLReports.com (if management prefers). It will give us a much stronger presence in the DC world of BOINC.

I guess that would depend on whether we're one community, or a bunch of separate teams. I'd like to see us as one community, but apparently others want to keep things as separate teams ;-).
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"If there was to be any consolidation of team names for BOINC I would like to see them use the Broadbandreports title - tagged with their team name"

I agree, we are separate teams here and running different projects as decided by the teams that are here. I sign on at dslreports, the logo is broadbandreports, it doesn't matter to me which, as long as I've been here anyway, always been known by either/both so I would think that would be up to Justin to decide. Agree, it WOULD be more of a presence for BOINC stats to have somewhat consolidation of names also.
Dslreports Team Helix, Dslreports Team Starfire, Broadbandreports Team Helix, Broadbandreports Team Discovery etc. This is the simplest method because the official name of the team and forum won't be changed and the stats can be consolidated for BOINC yet kept separate for the teams.

The confusing part however would be when a team is running two projects. So would FAH BOINC (which is beta), ALSO be called Dslreports Team Helix when out of beta, or maybe Dslreports/Broadbandreports Team Helix R@H, Dslreports/Broadbandreports F@H etc? Quite a mouth full! :)

used for examples only: Maybe DSLR Team Helix Rosetta, DSLR Team Helix Folding etc. for BOINC projects so all teams here can keep everything the same?

As a member of Team Helix, I would like Team Helix's name to be on the BOINC projects that we run, am thinking most other members of clubs would also. May not be seeing all the in's and out's of the issue however, but a general name decision for BOINC sounds like may need to be decided yeah or nay while all is still young. :)

(Since this is also related to TH discussion, am posting there also)
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BroadbandReports.com BOINC
BroadbandReports.com DC

They all sound great to me thus far :D (assuming Justin prefers the BBR moniker over DSLR)
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I can certainly understand that Team Helix can't do anything with the name of it's original project, but I should think that keeping that team name in the description for any adopted BOINC teams might suffice. It would be good for the BOINC teams to have consolidated stats though. And keeping the team names simply the url for the site might help to draw people to BBR.
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said by Icarus See Profile :

A part of the problem is that DSLR Team Helix cannot change its name as the "founder" took the key and ran off,unwilling to let us change. So,for continuity we are using DSLR R@H in order to keep it simple in our forum. Keep in mind,all teams were originally DSLR teams and we have stayed true for the last 5+ years while everyone else has changed names.
As mentioned by mOOkie we can use the description 'DSL team helix' with the official name 'BroadbandReports.com'. This makes sense to me at least as long as identical team names are the only way to link BOINC teams cross project.

I would rather have something more to the name though 'BroadbandReports.com BOINCers' or something.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16351485 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:11:27 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16351450 Justakiwi :
said by m00kie See Profile :

said by Icarus See Profile :

A part of the problem is that DSLR Team Helix cannot change its name as the "founder" took the key and ran off,unwilling to let us change. So,for continuity we are using DSLR R@H in order to keep it simple in our forum. Keep in mind,all teams were originally DSLR teams and we have stayed true for the last 5+ years while everyone else has changed names.
Sorry to hear of the founder trouble at Folding@Home. I think DSLReports.com would be a fine name. Since both the Folding team and the Rosetta team are both official BBR teams then obviously the DSLReports.com name has official approval. Can I assume you would be amenable to the idea of the Rosetta team name at the project's url being DSLReports.com?
I don't understand that. If this forum is now known as Broadbandreports not DSLReports, and all these teams were formed under the forum umbrella as it were - how can any team founder have any control over the team name, especially if he is no longer involved? It makes no sense to me that ANY team is still using the DSLReports title. If we want to be seen "out there" and recognised, then it makes sense to use ONE name only.

If there was to be any consolidation of team names for BOINC I would like to see them use the Broadbandreports title - tagged with their team name. For example: Broadbandreports Team Helix, Broadbandreports Team Starfire etc. That way the teams are all obviously BBR teams, but retain their own project identity.

If we're going to have a mix of Broadbandreports and DSLReports titles, or switch all teams to DSLReports - when that's not who we are anymore, then I don't see any point in changing anything.

It's not a huge deal to me, but I don't see any point in changing something unless you're improving it. JMHO!

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said by Icarus See Profile :

A part of the problem is that DSLR Team Helix cannot change its name as the "founder" took the key and ran off,unwilling to let us change. So,for continuity we are using DSLR R@H in order to keep it simple in our forum. Keep in mind,all teams were originally DSLR teams and we have stayed true for the last 5+ years while everyone else has changed names.
Sorry to hear of the founder trouble at Folding@Home. I think DSLReports.com would be a fine name. Since both the Folding team and the Rosetta team are both official BBR teams then obviously the DSLReports.com name has official approval. Can I assume you would be amenable to the idea of the Rosetta team name at the project's url being DSLReports.com?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16351242 Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:55:18 EDT Re: Suggestion for Team Names http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16350765 Icarus :
A part of the problem is that DSLR Team Helix cannot change its name as the "founder" took the key and ran off,unwilling to let us change. So,for continuity we are using DSLR R@H in order to keep it simple in our forum. Keep in mind,all teams were originally DSLR teams and we have stayed true for the last 5+ years while everyone else has changed names.
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said by Justakiwi See Profile :

I don't think there's anything wrong with keeping the Starfire, Helix etc, but I think there should be consistency with the Broadbandreports/DSLReports part of the name. Given that we supposedly moved from DSLReports to Broadbandreports some time back, I think all teams should sport the Broadbandreports title.

That's why I said that part of the decision was up to management (Justin) as to which he would prefer. Starfire would still be Starfire with their own forum and team name. The same would apply to Team CPDN or Team Helix. They would still keep their names in their forums, etc. The only change would be that at the project page where you join a team, all three teams would have the same name. You could even still use your team name in the description field of the project's pages.
So, for example, at the Seti@Home page for Starfire »setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_joi···id=30192 the team name could be BroadbandReports.com and then in the description field it could say "Team Starfire - broadband users crunching to find ET". A similar thing could be done at Rosetta, etc.
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Thus far here are the team names:

Broadbandreports.com Team CPDN (CPDN)
DSLReports.com Team Helix (Rosetta@Home)
Broadbandreports.com Team Starfire (Seti@Home, Einstein@Home, LHC)

Why not just name all those teams Broadbandreports.com or DSLReports.com (if management prefers). It will give us a much stronger presence in the DC world of BOINC.

Mind you, I am not saying Starfire would stop being Starfire nor would Team Helix stop being Team Helix. The forum and what we call ourselves would be the same. The only change is what we call ourselves on the stat pages of the projects' homes. What do you think?


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