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The Police and your rights-----very important and valuable

I'm sorry, but that has to be the worst advice ever. The only thing I saw that was true in that video was what they called "unprofessional officers", and the fact the the probable cause law is fuzzy. Following that video in my state will get you arrested faster than simply complying. Granted it does give a "brief" description of your basic rights. A lot of what they said you "could" do is based on a word they seemed to use a lot, "if".

Step outside of your home when the police come to your door with out you calling them, sure. Play the car window rolled up game....hello probable cause. The guy sitting at the bus stop, would never happen. Why would the police question some random guy sitting a a bus stop unless he fit a description? This whole video paints police as some militant nazi force.

I for one would like to see what someone in the law enforcement field would have to say about that video. I'm not coming down on you, maybe it was just the bad acting that ruined the whole premise of the video.

The point of the video was to show you your rights as the law states it. The police use the tactics shown all the time. As for the rolled up window and stepping outside----at the very least you aren't incriminating yourself and have a defense in court of no probable cause or suspicion.
Regardless---I ive in Canada but the laws are quite similar.

I agree, you said "aren't incriminating yourself". Your one simple statement spoke volumes over what that video tried to portray. I just feel the video itself paints an unrealistic picture of what to do if you get confronted by the police when you are breaking the law.

I'm not trying to argue with you, it just seems a little far fetched as too many perfect scenarios would have to fall into place. The best advice would be to follow the law in the first place. But, if you chose to do other wise, common sense would prevail more than this video would. With out raising suspicion you there fore create none.

I do however, enjoy your music videos you post. Not that I didn't enjoy this one, it just doesn't paint a true picture. I'm going to bed now, have a good night and a great weekend.

reply to Rifleman
Although I don't do drugs and stay out of trouble, I would like to see more of these "know your rights" awareness videos. The more people know about their rights, the more they will appreciate the country they live in and the less they will allow the erosion of those rights by officials.

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Actually this is real good, having been associated with many Criminal stops due to some bad natrued people Ive been associated with and such, bla bla I feel this is solid and its the standard advice given to basically every high School student etc. Basically, keep your mouth shut and act like an idiot, works for me. Even when they violate your rights you can get it tossed out and reduced many times. Sure Cops can be assholes, but you can control them.

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Should you feel your rights have been violated, I would suggest you seek the counsel of a good lawyer and not go off the advice of a website or a video.

With the way the laws change in the United States on a daily basis, this is really the only way to find out if you were indeed wrong or if the representative of the law was wrong.

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Keep your mouth shut and dont volunteer information....Do whatever you can to keep the Cop "comfortable" Pull over as far as you can, Turn your dome light on, Turn your car off, Both hands on the steering wheel, tell the cop before making any move at all.

And BTW Not coming outside or not rolling your window down isnt in itsself PC. But not having a legitimate excuse for not rolling down your window (Single girl with a male officer, waiting for another officer) is condisidered Inteference and you can be arrested. Any time you are arrested while driving your car it can be searched because it is mobile and can be easily hidden.
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The only time I would not roll my Window down is if an Un-marked police car pulled me over and the officer was not in Uniform.
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This is what makes no sense.

Your license expires, you have no bad driving record, and you never got your license suspended.

In a ways your license is still valid as you are going to pay it again and get a new one anyway.

it's called:

"STATES WANT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN"

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY
NOT LAW

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Having been pulled over a few times at 3 am, just to ask me what I was doing out that late.(I work nights) I found keeping my work ID in plain sight (Work IDs for Newspapers are great things)as well as a support your local police dept. sticker or decal will usually get you away faster.

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I have found,(when I was pulled over 1-2 times) that MOST of todays officers,(from the 1990's on)

don't rec that young people do this) but as an "oldster",
SITUATION:
Driving a van with son in it at night,police car hits lights siren,
1st thing I do is
1,turn on the inside over head 'dome" lights,
(thats lets the officer see no danger inside van & puts officer at ease)

2, pull safely over to the side of the road,
shut off motor, tell son be right back,
& most of the time I'am out of my van walking back to rear of van only stand by passenger side of van & have license out,and wait on office,
but TREAT HIM COURTESY & RESPECT,
3, IF he writes me a ticket fine, will argue it in court, not with the officer,
most of the time it ends up, we chat a little, and office will give a verbal warning with me saying take care & be carefull SIR,

for those that think THEY ARE RIGHT ALL THE TIME, when you get out of car,
tell ya what
when the officer approach's tell him right off,
hey DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM
when he starts writing you a tickets or putting the handcuffs on you tell him,
HEY YOU CAN'T DO THAT TO MErofl,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Re: The Police and your rights-----very important and valuable

Theres no law stating I gotta go serve hand and foot to any pig. I DO NOT have to make his job easier! Hell, he's making me late for MY job. Why? Cause I fit the description? Thanx pig, thanx for the schooling

maybe,just maybe you & your dad are dressed like & get stopped for your "attitude" if you talk to them the way you post about them, then yes I would pull you over just to be hassleing you..

and theres no law against stupidity,either

tell ya what next time you need help for you or a loved go out your do & yell
SWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee,,,SWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

don't call anyone on the telephone

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I found the best way to "not get arrested" is to not do stupid shit. For me, it's worked for at least 28 year now.

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didn't watch video but my rule is this. Unless a cop has a warrant he is not coming in to my house. Unless cop have probable cause he is not getting permission from me to search my car. If i get ever arrested for anything, first thing i do is request to talk to a lawyer. Cop is not your friend, remember that.

edit:when possible refuse to answer any cop questions you never know when it could be used against you