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ooglek

join:2004-11-17
Falls Church, VA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

[new technologies] New ActionTec Router breaks Traceroute

I've had FIOS in Falls Church, VA for almost 2 years now (brag) and it's sweet.

I convinced Verizon that I needed the new ActionTec router that integrates the IPTV stuff and the broadband router. Got it, installed it, configured it, and it's great -- dropped 5ms off my round-trip times! Plus highly configurable and very nice interface.

My problem is that now my traceroutes are broken.

IE:

--> traceroute yahoo.com
traceroute: Warning: yahoo.com has multiple addresses; using 66.94.234.13
traceroute to yahoo.com (66.94.234.13), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 fifaworldcup.yahoo.net (66.94.234.13) 0.743 ms 0.621 ms 0.519 ms
2 fifaworldcup.yahoo.net (66.94.234.13) 2.077 ms 2.058 ms 1.827 ms
3 fifaworldcup.yahoo.net (66.94.234.13) 1.252 ms 1.367 ms 1.275 ms
4 fifaworldcup.yahoo.net (66.94.234.13) 31.639 ms 8.015 ms 2.628 ms
5 fifaworldcup.yahoo.net (66.94.234.13) 2.640 ms 2.775 ms 9.935 ms
6 fifaworldcup.yahoo.net (66.94.234.13) 84.732 ms 84.861 ms 84.851 ms
7 fifaworldcup.yahoo.net (66.94.234.13) 84.927 ms 85.025 ms 84.931 ms
8 fifaworldcup.yahoo.net (66.94.234.13) 98.847 ms 85.019 ms 84.949 ms
9 * * *

It looks like the traceroute is working right, but my DNS is mucked? Or the ActionTec is rewriting the packet when it comes back? Or the ActionTec isn't writing the packet correctly at all when it comes back?

Any ideas?

jfoj

join:2005-05-06
Mclean, VA

I do not have an ActionTec, however, it looks like they need to fix this with a firmware update.

Probably should contact ActionTec and point this out to them??

jfoj


Error_403

join:2006-06-02
Tampa, FL

reply to ooglek
i have the actiontec router and i got

Tracing route to fifaworldcup.yahoo.net [66.94.234.13]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms fifaworldcup.yahoo.net [66.94.234.13]
2 2 ms 2 ms 1 ms fifaworldcup.yahoo.net [66.94.234.13]
3 3 ms 2 ms 2 ms fifaworldcup.yahoo.net [66.94.234.13]
4 36 ms 36 ms 36 ms fifaworldcup.yahoo.net [66.94.234.13]
5 38 ms 36 ms 36 ms fifaworldcup.yahoo.net [66.94.234.13]
6 96 ms 95 ms 95 ms fifaworldcup.yahoo.net [66.94.234.13]
7 96 ms 96 ms 95 ms fifaworldcup.yahoo.net [66.94.234.13]
8 96 ms 97 ms 96 ms fifaworldcup.yahoo.net [66.94.234.13]
9 96 ms 95 ms 96 ms fifaworldcup.yahoo.net [66.94.234.13]

Trace complete.


tp0d
yabbazooie
Premium
join:2001-02-13
Carnegie, PA
kudos:2

4 edits

Hmm DNS is definetly doing something strange, but it looks more complicated than that. You arent showing any hops in-between you and the end result... hmmmm (mebe its just the router causing this?)

Heres what my trace looks like (gotta love that 32ms gw hop lol.. but i`m boggin w/ BT heh)

Tracing route to fifaworldcup.yahoo.net [66.94.234.13]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms CARAZNEGIE.localdomain [192.168.22.67]
2 23 ms 23 ms 32 ms 10.6.8.1
3 83 ms 27 ms 23 ms at-1-2-0-1715.CORE-RTR2.PITT2.verizon-gni.net [130.81.13.13]
4 24 ms 24 ms 24 ms so-7-0-0-0.CORE-RTR1.PITT2.verizon-gni.net [130.81.18.254]
5 29 ms 30 ms 30 ms so-5-0-0-0.BB-RTR1.RES.verizon-gni.net [130.81.20.92]
6 29 ms 29 ms 29 ms so-6-0-0-0.ASH-PEER-RTR2.verizon-gni.net [130.81.17.177]
7 29 ms 55 ms 29 ms 130.81.15.170
8 242 ms 239 ms 236 ms so-3-1-0.pat1.pao.yahoo.com [216.115.101.128]
9 140 ms 112 ms 112 ms ge-4-0-0-p450.msr2.scd.yahoo.com [216.115.106.205]
10 113 ms 111 ms 111 ms ten-2-3-bas1.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.82.221]
11 112 ms 113 ms 112 ms fifaworldcup.yahoo.net [66.94.234.13]

Trace complete.

I did a trace on yahoo.com and let my dns decide which IP to trace, it came back with 216.109.112.135 instead of the above 66.x.x.x

HMMMMMMMM... i`m on VZ Dsl, mebe that makes a difference... Using 151.201.0.38 as dns res...

if it aint broke, tweak it!!
currently on VZ-DSL (good stuff)

**edit

scratch that, i thought my dns's were as above.. my f/w sez its using 71.252.0.12...

ProFiOSDude
Premium
join:2005-05-27
Chesapeake, VA

reply to ooglek
Definitely check for the latest firmware. With the ActionTec, if you home page icons are running across the top of the screen, you've got the latest firmware.

PFD



ooglek

join:2004-11-17
Falls Church, VA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

I have:

Version:4.0.16.1.44.28
Release Date:Apr 23 2006
Platform:MI424-WR
Tag:Nrel-4-0-16-1-44-28
Compilation Flags:LIC=../jpkg_actiontec.lic DIST=MI424WR
Hardware Version:5A
Hardware WAN MAC Address:00:0f:b3:ca:05:f8

No other updates are available currently. There is a firmware file there, but it seems to be disabled:

»upgrade.actiontec.com/MI424WR/

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ooglek

join:2004-11-17
Falls Church, VA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

reply to tp0d

said by tp0d:

Hmm DNS is definetly doing something strange, but it looks more complicated than that. You arent showing any hops in-between you and the end result... hmmmm (mebe its just the router causing this?)
Clearly its the router, but if you notice, the round-trip times increase as we go through the hops. It's not a DNS problem, but a router translation problem.

Do you even have an ActionTec router? If so, what's the version #?
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tp0d
yabbazooie
Premium
join:2001-02-13
Carnegie, PA
kudos:2

heh no I dont actually... was just trying to give some insight to this problem.

even when fios is actually available here later this year I wont run that garbage router. No offense, I just dont like boxed routers. Too many strange problems. My linux f/w is much too stable to get rid of.

good luck with that trace, hope the firmware fixes it.

-j
--
if it aint broke, tweak it!!currently on VZ-DSL (good stuff)


royboy81

join:2002-02-01
Grapevine, TX

There is a firmware upgrade at the above link. I couldn't get the router to do the automatic upgrade, so I d/l the file, then used the manual method. None of my configuration changed, but the router shows the updated f/w, and the icons are along the top now.

This is the about page and I also have a new restore f/w icon on the advanced page:
About

Version: 4.0.16.1.34
Release Date: Feb 22 2006
Platform: MI424-WR
Tag: Ntag-4_0_16_1_34
Compilation Flags: LIC=/home/bat/bat/actiontec_bhr_4_0/rg/pkg/jpkg/install/jpkg_actiontec.lic DIST=MI424WR
Hardware Version: 5A
Hardware WAN MAC Address: 00:0f:b3:c0:70:56
Supported Features: NetFilter Linux Firewall, Ethernet over ATM (RFC2684), Classical IP, PVC Scan, WBM Evaluation License Agreement, Internet Protocol Security, Intel DSR support, PPTP Server, PPP Over ATM, PPP Over Ethernet, IPv6, PPTP Client, L2TP Client, ICMP ALG, Port trigger (TFTP) ALG, FTP/FTPS ALG, QuickTime/RealAudio/RealPlayer (RTSP) ALG, H323 ALG (Netmeeting, CuSeeMe ...), SIP ALG, MGCP ALG, PPTP Client (multiuser) ALG, Microsoft Network Messenger/Windows Messenger ALG, IPSec (multiuser) ALG, L2TP ALG, AOL Instant Messenger ALG, DNS ALG, DHCP ALG, Bridge, VLAN 802.1Q bridge, VLAN 802.1Q interfaces management, PPPoE Relay, GDB Server, IGMP Proxy, JFirewall, Remote Upgrade from LAN, NAT, Secure HTTP (SSL), Permanent Storage, RIP V1/V2, Reverse NAT, SNMP v1/v2, SNMP v3, Universal Plug & Play, Remote Upgrade from WAN, DNS, Concurrent DNS query, DNS Router. Add route rules according to which dns server answare queries, Domain routing. Route according to domains listed on a device, Dynamic DNS, Email Notification, HTTP Proxy, Generic Proxy, Mail filter, URL Keyword Filtering, SurfControl, DHCP Server, DHCP Client, DHCP Relay Agent, Static HTML Management, Web Based Management, TimeZone support, HTTP Server, Telnet Server, SysLog, Command Line Interface, TOD Client, USB RNDIS, File Server, Posix Access Control Lists (ACLs), RAID, OAM F4/F5 Loopback, Print Server, Internet Printing, Voice Over IP, SIP Signalling, H.323 Signalling, MGCP Signalling, Remote Update Management, Remote Management Server, Event Logging, WINS Server, FTP Server, Mail Server, Web Server, File System Backup and Restore, QoS support



ooglek

join:2004-11-17
Falls Church, VA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

Hmmm; the release date is strange. I have April 23, 2006, another guy posted he has June something 2006. Feb 22 seems out of date.

Version:        4.0.16.1.44.28
Release Date: Apr 23 2006

Try this link: »upgrade.actiontec.com/MI424WR/MI424WR.OLD and try doing a firmware update with that. Let me know how it goes, then try doing a traceroute and see what happens.

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nuclei2v5x

join:2003-07-07
Leesburg, GA

reply to ooglek
my trace route doesnt work either, and i have the same actiontec router


ProFiOSDude
Premium
join:2005-05-27
Chesapeake, VA

reply to ooglek
ooglek, your firmware verison is the latest version.

PFD


new2fios

join:2006-07-20
Camillus, NY

1 edit

reply to ooglek
I have the same problem. I have reported it to Actiontec via E-mail. I got a (possibly automated) response passing the buck to Verizon. Has anybody tried to report this to Verizon via the 800 number? I tried the Verizon "help" E-mail which allowed me a 70 character message eliciting a useless automated response. This short message is MUCH more than 70 characters long.


MrTorben

join:2004-12-14
Tampa, FL

same here and I just got the actiontec 5 days ago


sumdum

join:2006-02-18
usa

guy,

there is a new firmware here anybody dares to try.

»upgrade.actiontec.com/MI424WR/
Mi424WR_80_2.rmt 1-aug-2006


new2fios

join:2006-07-20
Camillus, NY

reply to ooglek
Don't really want to be the guinea pig. Verizon and ActionTec both claim that the router provided by Verizon is customized for FIOS. Does anybody know how to get into a meaningful dialog with Actiontec?


new2fios

join:2006-07-20
Camillus, NY

3 edits

reply to ooglek
Other than this problem which is no big deal to me, I am very happy with the Actiontec. It has better wireless coverage than my older Linksys and I have not had to reset it ever (just 2 weeks, mind you, but my old router and cable modem would rarely stay up for a week without a reset). I think of it as the MONSTER router because of it's size and the performance claims in the manual.


KenAF

join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA

Update:

The Actiontec firmware v4.0.16.1.45.80.2 fixes the traceroute problem.



PGHammer

join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD

reply to new2fios
What Linksys did the ActionTec replace? I have a WRT54GS (2.0) running the latest HyperWRT (however, I'm using it currently as a wired-only router (no portables currently, so I have wireless turned OFF)). Is the G connectivity improved?


irsean

join:2001-05-10
Redlands, CA

1 edit

I'll check on this and try to get back to you. It may take awhile.

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