Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? in AT&T U-verse

Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? in AT&T U-verse http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16516144 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:12:14 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:12:14 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18911643 Andypro : I've decided to upgrade to twc's premium tier since they just boosted the speeds from 5/384k and 8/512k up to 7/512k and 15/1 respectively.

I'll still consider UVerse when it becomes available in Milwaukee, but clearly now they can really only compete on price. A price war between TWC and AT&T would be great. A speed war would be even better but that's not as likely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18911643 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:03:13 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18853600 d_l : Having a person in the photo does give the viewer a better idea of the scale of the VRAD. In some of your other shots, I can't really tell if the boxes are waist high. chest high, or over the top of a person's head.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18853600 Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:30:51 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18843609 ArgMeMatey :

said by ontheinside :

Why are you people stalking techs? it's kinda creepy.

Huh? You mean that shot of the guy's back?

I went by planning to take a plain old photo and was surprised to see him sitting there. I would have rather had a photo without him, but I wasn't going to wait around or come back later.

Although having your photo taken when in public is an occupational hazard, not grounds for a restraining order, I would not have uploaded the picture if he were easily identified.

Might I recommend a job inside a frame room or cable vault?
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said by JoeG4

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The closest VRAD you can see from the street here, doesn't have that funky looking pedestal, rather there's a tall vertical cabinet (of similar size), mounted onto the side of the box with the meter hole in it (it's not a separate box, either, just 1 box)..

Weird. *shrug*

To what are you referring? I can't tell from your comments where "here" is. At your house? Which is where?
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Weird. *shrug* ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18800928 Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:16:17 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18755833 ArgMeMatey : I got some updated info from Shorewood a couple of weeks ago.

They set up a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with AT&T regarding VRAD placement, including preferred locations, discouraged locations, landscaping issues and so forth.

Also they attached a declaration from Alcatel-Lucent Canada's David Ritonja stating the the cabinets meet requirements of the NEC and GR487. They list fourteen (14) different cabinets, 48 to 63 inches, with 710 and MS2 connectors, for example:

3EM05123BZ - LSC-52BP - 7330 48 Inch Cabinet, 710 Connector

Anyone wanting to see it all should PM me with an e-mail address.

Finally, the Shorewood village manager announced in Thursday's Memo that "AT&T filed for a permit for the right-of-way, located in the back of the sidewalk on Beverly, adjacent to The Legacy Condominiums. Letters were mailed this week to neighbors for comments."

This is at the southeast corner of Oakland and Beverly. This would be the second VRAD in Shorewood, joining the one that started this thread about a year ago.

So, Happy Birthday U-verse, or at least 52Bs, in Shorewood. Maybe someday you'll actually amount to something.
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Each time I get one, I go back to the availability page and check my address again only to get the very familiar "We're Sorry.. blah blah."

They are wasting a truckload on advertising to people that can't even get the service yet. Not to mention that it frustrates potential users when they can't sign up for something they want.

Any new word on when the official, *real* rollout will happen in Milwaukee? Afaik, we are still in a "test market only" right now, with no widespread availability anywhere. I'm tired of my 384k upload and I want Uverse :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18677434 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:59:48 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18552327 AMDUSER : It looks like a Uverse node (VRAD) went up near 76th Street and Howard in Milwaukee,WI.

-See the map, not to scale.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18552327 Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:27:29 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18491850 Andypro : Hi,

Cool, thanks to both of you for your replies.

I will be north of North, slightly. N Gordon Ct., specifically. That is exactly one block north of Greenwich, but on the other side of the river.

I doubt wires would be routed over the river except maybe on the North ave bridge? But probably not. As I begin to explore that area I'll keep my eye out for VRADs and cables and AT&T markings on the roads.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18491850 Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:22:25 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18476176 ArgMeMatey :

said by Andypro

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Are there any VRADs closer to North ave? In fact, what is the closest one to North and the Milwaukee River?

I've driven through the lower east side only a bit recently, and haven't really spent any time meandering for construction clues. Greenwich Place is only two or three blocks north of North Ave.

However, it seems to me North Ave. is the dividing line between wire center service areas. (I am sure there's a good acronym for that, but I don't know it.) Roughly north of North Ave. subscribers are served from Edgewood and south of North Ave. service comes from Broadway.

So if they adhere to the same boundaries for U-verse we would need to know if you're north or south of North Ave.
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What is the range of these things?

I'm going to be about 1 mile from that one (still no availability yet). Are there any VRADs closer to North ave? In fact, what is the closest one to North and the Milwaukee River?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18474788 Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:58:57 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18449725 ArgMeMatey : Seems to me someone else already mentioned this but I couldn't find it now: there is a VRAD on Lyon St. just east of Jackson St. on the lower east side of Milwaukee. It is along the south side of Lyon adjacent to the Pick N Save, 605 E Lyon St.

I haven't seen a really awful looking installation yet. Greenwich Place looks like Stonehenge gone bad, but that's mostly rental housing around there so no one probably cares a whole lot.

I suspect they are waiting for the state law to pass before they do any controversial ones ... like along Hackett maybe, where the houses get a little more spendy?
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said by d_l

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Just curious, the Underground Construction is fiber work? Is it trenched in or drilled in?

Both trenched and drilled. On Webster in a trench they had large copper cables exposed. They can use the duct for whatever fits, I am sure, so there would be a mix of copper going downstream from a VRAD to crossboxes, as well as fiber from wire centers to VRADs.

The stretch on Hackett was all or almost all trenched. This was done Spring 2007. Unknown quantity and diameter.

Beverly was trenched in Fall 2005 except crossing Murray, which was horizontal drilled. This included installation or expansion of a vault on Maryland which closed the street for at least a couple of weeks. Four 4"

Kenwood so far has been mostly drilled from Oakland heading east. Spring 2007. Three or four 4"

Webster mostly drilled but long sections that still look like they need trenching. Spring 2007. Looks like three 4"

I didn't call the city to verify that all this work is for AT&T but observation indicates that it is, based on orange HDPE used for drilled segments and white PVC used for trenched segments. Also where steel plates have been used to cover excavations they are often around AT&T manholes.

There is unrelated WE Gas main replacement going on on Oakland from Capitol heading north. They are using yellow HDPE from what I've seen.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18417648 Wed, 30 May 2007 01:13:12 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18388429 Andypro : Absolutely.

I've been saying for a long time now that phone companies and cable companies should be treated identically by all levels of government as well as private organizations and consumers. They're all just pushing bits up and down wires. In fact, that's all we want them to do. Serve us bits. And lots of them, and preferably at a blistering fast rate.

This is why I will probably switch to Uverse when it's finally rolled out here in Milwaukee. The upload speeds are 3x faster than TWC, and I don't believe TWC Milwaukee is smart enough to realize they need to boost upload to compete.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18388429 Thu, 24 May 2007 10:45:14 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18380958 nobdumbtechs : U-verse is in the testing stage for Wisconsin. Once the franchised/regulation stuff gets taken care of they will role the service to everyone. Ither way if they get state franchise or township franchise, they gonna role the service.

What they want is a state franchise. Where they dont have to listen to your inputs.. Any problems you have, you can't drive to your alderman and chat it out. You'll have to drive to somewhere in Madison and state your claim alone with the millions of Wisconsin residence, if there is such a person designated to listen to you. And if they have it their way, you're better off speaking to a black hole. Remember these are the same people who route your trouble calls to India. Because its 20cents/hour to answer your calls there. And you wonder why that country has a lot of hungry people, but I digress.

Anyways if AT&T claims their technology is broadcast different and therefore should be regulated differently, thats bull. The cable company, ladies and gentlemen, is far from the 80's. Cable companies can also play into this "state franchise vs village/town franchise" game. What I'm trying to say is that if AT&T gets a state franchise, the cable companies can do the same. Cable is not limited to one form of transmission. Switch digital is coming to Wisconsin, as a matter of fact, its being tested in Green Bay already. Switch Digital is the same as U-Verse, just broadcast over a different type of "CABLE". Back to the basics, cable is cable whether its RJ45, coaxi, fiber, twisted pair, what ever grade/type.. it is all same, they all can handle digital signal. Dont let those idiots at AT&T tell you its a different technology.
If AT&T wins a state franchise, subscribers are at a lost. The cable companies may and can persue the same route.

Already these huge boxes are causing a stir in communities and the towns/villages can't say a thing.... "its state regulation." These are going to be the types of problems we'll see. Any complaints will have to be taken at the state level. And good luck waiting for a solution.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18380958 Wed, 23 May 2007 00:27:21 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18377386 Andypro : Thanks for all these pics and locations.

Have any of you guys actually tried using AT&T's availability page to check for service? I've used it with tons of different addresses around the area and not one has said service is available. I'd just like to know a *single* address that their website claims has availability so I have a starting point for other searches. Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18377386 Tue, 22 May 2007 14:22:55 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18372096 koolkid1563 : The first box is definitely a VRAD, the new box in the second picture looks like a cross connect box, but I am not too sure. I had to laugh at the fact that the second box is "new" and it has already been tagged.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18372096 Mon, 21 May 2007 16:20:26 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18370724 ArgMeMatey : The first photo is the guy working on the new VRAD behind 3496 N Oakland Ave. along Edgewood Ave. This one is marked with orange lettering something like "3501 N OAKLAND" which as an address would be kitty-corner.

I wonder if they originally engineered it to be by the bus shelter on the NW corner of Oakland and Edgewood, which would have been in Shorewood, where there is no agreement to build out yet.

The second photo is a new box at 2207 E Webster Pl. What is it? There is no meter pedestal. They are adding a whole lot of 4" duct between Oakland and Downer along Webster. There is an older crossbox in the 2400 block of Webster that looks like it has new duct going in. The duct is still sticking out of the right-of-way all over so they've got a way to go.
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3496 N Oakland Ave. this morning
2207 E Webster Ave.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18370724 Mon, 21 May 2007 12:20:58 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18220644 ArgMeMatey : Here's a VRAD that was previously mentioned by others.

This is in front of a small apartment building and a parking lot.

Also today I saw Waas Boring using a mini-excavator to clear off a VRAD-sized site adjacent to 3496 N Oakland, on Edgewood just east of Oakland Ave.
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VRAD at 712 E Knapp St., Milwaukee, just east of Van Buren St.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18220644 Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:00:10 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18172605 ArgMeMatey : 1813 E Greenwich Ave. Milwaukee WI 53211, just east of Oakland Ave.

I don't have any statistics to prove it but there are a lot of rental units around here. That makes the demographic fairly young. It's just two blocks north of North Ave.

While I was taking pictures I stepped on a broken beer bottle ... you get the picture. I wouldn't expect the landlords or occupants to be too concerned about aesthetics.
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Looking SW from angle parking on Greenwich
Looking SE over top of parked car
Looking east on Greenwich toward Cramer

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18172605 Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:06:43 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18118341 ArgMeMatey :

said by weedydeed

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There's another U-Verse node on Greenwich and Oakland Ave.

Thanks ... looks like I am overdue for an eye exam. I drive past there about three times a week. Need to do some bike recon next time I pick up a pizza over there.

I figured there should be one by Open Pantry, and what about at Jackson and Juneau by the Metro Market ramp? Isn't there a big XC there too? Maybe since that's mostly multi-housing around there they'll take a different approach.
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said by weedydeed

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There is a U-Verse Node at Knapp and N VanBuren streets (Downtown Milwaukee) that is definitely in a residential setting. I don't have any pictures, but it is directly in front of the house between the sidewalk and the curb.

Thanks! I will get over there and take some photos.
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said by Unxchay

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We live in Tosa, west of I-45 and south of North Ave.

... offered me a $50 Visa gift card if I signed up on the spot. The deal included a no-questions-asked 60 day cancellation policy.

Installation is a promo price of $50 and would take 3-5 hours, but if I signed up on-the-spot they would waive the $50 charge.
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Also, I don't know what cabling they would actually be running in the house, is it CAT-5??

SO. Should I consider their offer?

Thanks for the in-depth description!

1. If you've seen a VRAD in your neighborhood, please post a street intersection. I'd like to get a photo sometime.

2. Seems to me I've seen elsewhere that they can use either cat 5 or existing coax. But someone else should know for sure or you can read another thread on installations. I would have them run new coax or reuse what's there, as long as it can all be put back on TW easily.

3. Given the 60-day no-questions-asked deal, if this were offered to me, I would calculate the actual cash out, including all fees, and if that were reasonable, I would sign up and see what happens BUT I would not cancel TW for at least 30 days or whatever.

Also if you currently have AT&T POTS, make sure they can put your POTS back exactly like it was, if that is affected at all. Again, check another thread.

In other words, I would pay double just to try it out in parallel with TW for a while. That said, expect problems with everything, especially billing. Keep track of stuff, get names and dates and so on. This will be useful to you as problems will crop up and may be helpful to AT&T to fix things on their end.

If you're not an early-adopter type don't do it, because although they should be eager to please, you're going to have to do some extra work to help them work things out.
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I asked about channels, and the packages offered seem reasonable. For us the 200-channel basic package compares price-wise with T/W's basic 2-99 cable service, but the kicker is the DVR box and two additional TV's connected at no charge. We don't have HD TV's, so those packages I didn't ask about.

DSL is AT&T's standard 3/1 package. I didn't ask about the 6/1 service, but I do see it's offered online for another $15 a month (I think.) I have a solid 5/512 with T/W now, and hesitate to pursue switching without some speed guarantees, which I know AT&T won't offer.

Installation is a promo price of $50 and would take 3-5 hours, but if I signed up on-the-spot they would waive the $50 charge. Our house is more than 40 years old, so I would expect they need to run additional cabling rather than use what's existing.

Dollar-wise it's about break-even with T/W, although U-Verse has more channels and potentially better signal. I didn't look at contract issues, but I assume they will want to lock me into a 1-year deal at least. Also, I don't know what cabling they would actually be running in the house, is it CAT-5?? I have two TV's downstairs and one upstairs, but I don't necessarily want some techs buzzing holes through my exterior walls (like T/W loves doing.)

SO. Should I consider their offer? I would appreciate some opinions from people more familiar with AT&T's business practices, service & support. T/W is no pillar of stellar customer service themselves, so I don't see how service could get worse. On the other hand, the presence of U-Verse will certainly spur T/W to do some upgrades and/or price shifting. I would love to see a 10/1 T/W connection like other parts of the country, and maybe a drop in their DVR prices & service.

Regards,
TOM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111539 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:02:36 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111521 weedydeed : There is a U-Verse Node at Knapp and N VanBuren streets (Downtown Milwaukee) that is definitely in a residential setting. I don't have any pictures, but it is directly in front of the house between the sidewalk and the curb.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111521 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:58:14 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111390 ArgMeMatey : Today I was out running around and saw 52Bs at:

Burleigh Ave. west, in median east of 124th St.

Brown Deer Rd. west, south side, at 72nd St. N.

Brown Deer Rd. west, south side, at 56th St. N.

These are all major commercial streets. I can't imagine that there would be any controversy in siting.

However, if anybody sees installations off the beaten path (or on the beaten path!), please post the specific locations in this thread. I'd like to get some photos of installations that are more like the one that started this thread. That is, in residential surroundings. Thanks.
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I'm getting ready to move, and I've tried a lot of addresses in that u-verse availability check site. So far absolutely every address I have entered says no availability. Is U-verse actually available in Milwaukee yet or is it just preparing to roll out? If so, I'd appreciate a more detailed explanation of where exactly in the metro area it's available. Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17966246 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:30:52 EDT Re: U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17924547 ArgMeMatey : Some excerpts from page 1A, above the fold, of today's daily. Updated info on marketing and negotiation status.

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AT&T challenges cable TV, satellite
Internet-based U-verse won't pay communities franchise fees
By DORIS HAJEWSKI
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Posted: Feb. 28, 2007

AT&T is launching its Internet-based television service to compete with cable and satellite offerings in the five-county metropolitan Milwaukee area, and it is choosing not to pay municipalities for franchising rights or giving them any oversight, as cable companies do.

Milwaukee is among the first communities nationwide that will have the U-verse service.

AT&T will not disclose the number of households in the area that it will serve with the initial launch. It also will not disclose specific locations, for competitive reasons, spokeswoman Sarah Silva said.

The basic TV service will start at $44 a month and will compete with Time Warner Cable's TV service. Cable companies are required to have a franchise agreement in each municipality where they operate and to pay a franchise fee to the municipality.

"We believe (Internet protocol) television is not a cable service as defined by" law, said Mark Lipford, AT&T vice president and general manager for Wisconsin. The television signal is delivered through phone lines.

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In December, Milwaukee filed a federal lawsuit against AT&T ...Since then, many suburbs have joined the suit.

...the two sides have been negotiating an interim agreement that would cover many of the same issues, such as a fee to the city.

Milwaukee City Attorney Grant Langley said those talks have been "very productive" ...

"We're negotiating on terms and conditions of being able to launch the service," Lipford said.

Any such deal would have to be approved by Mayor Tom Barrett and the Common Council. It could also become a model for nearby communities, as well as the state. The Legislature has put off efforts to create regulations in this area, waiting to see what happens in Milwaukee.
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Public rights of way

The Regional Telecommunications Commission, which represents more than 30 municipalities in southeast Wisconsin in issues such as cable television and video-on-demand services, believes AT&T doesn't have the legal right to install equipment cabinets for U-verse in public rights of way without franchise contracts with the municipalities.

Bob Chernow, the commission's chairman, said, "They are violating the law, in our opinion."

In Brookfield, City Attorney Karen Flaherty said the city has not been notified of any start of service.

More than a year ago, the city approved the installation of an equipment box in the public right of way that was needed for the service. Flaherty said she is aware of about six boxes on privately owned land that the city did not have to approve.

In Racine, City Attorney Rob Weber said the city was aware AT&T would be offering its service. Along with other municipalities in the dispute, Racine is concerned that the services be provided in a non-discriminatory manner and be part of its cable franchise agreement, Weber said.

"AT&T has been very willing to negotiate where their boxes would be placed in terms of the right of way, but not where the coverage would be," Weber said.

Targeted sales pitch

Because the service won't be available across the area, a marketing campaign for the launch will be targeted at households that are eligible. Those homes will get direct mail solicitations and visits from door-to-door salespeople who will be able to demonstrate the service.

AT&T will have mobile demonstration trucks in neighborhoods where service is available, and it also will invite eligible households to demonstrations at the Ridge Cinemas complex in New Berlin. People who attend the theater demonstrations will be able to see a movie, with popcorn, free.

AT&T also will demonstrate U-verse at Cingular wireless retail stores in Oconomowoc and Brookfield.

AT&T is launching the service as it relies less on phone service for sales. Nationwide, the company lost 227,000 residential phone customers in the latest quarter. AT&T expects its TV service to reach 19 million homes by the end of 2008.

AT&T now has nearly 7,000 U-verse customers across the United States, up from 3,000 at the end of 2006. Service began in mid-2006 in the company's hometown of San Antonio.

Now, services are available in portions of 13 markets across five states. Last year, 2.2 million households were eligible to get the service, and the company aims to make U-verse available to 8 million households by the end of this year, Silva said.

'Real competitor'

Bev Greenberg, a spokeswoman for Time Warner's southeast Wisconsin operation, called AT&T "a real competitor" but said the company is used to competition.

"If fact, the satellite folks have about 31 percent of our state's penetration, so we have been competing, and we have great confidence in our products and our services," Greenberg said.

She questioned how quickly and widely AT&T's U-verse service will be available. She said the launch of U-verse in San Antonio turned out to be slow.

"The rollout was much slower than perceived," she said.

Time Warner has 577,000 cable television customers, 331,000 high-speed Internet customers and 130,000 digital telephone customers in Wisconsin, she said. All the phone customers have been added in the last 18 months, since the service was introduced here, she said.

From the March 1, 2007 editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

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Looking southeast, freeway barrier in back
Looking south from Glendale Ave.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17885966 Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:11:52 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17500154 RadioDoc : The grouch delivered that with tongue securely planted in cheek...
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Below excerpts (with my editing bias, so check the source) are from »www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=544476

AT&T seems to be acknowledging that their system is a de facto cable TV system but that federal law technically says it's not.

City sues AT&T in video dispute
Telecom giant is asked to negotiate a cable franchise deal
By GREG J. BOROWSKI and LISA SINK
Posted: Dec. 20, 2006

The City of Milwaukee filed a federal lawsuit Wednesday against AT&T that aims to require the company to negotiate a cable franchise agreement for its soon-to-be-offered Internet protocol video service.

Such an agreement would force the phone company to make an annual payment to the city, something that Time Warner Cable already does under its longstanding franchise agreement with the city.

AT&T argues that its new system, which is already under construction, does not meet the definition of cable television ...

... [T]he city is in talks with AT&T on an interim agreement that would let the company "continue to build and operate" its system ...

AT&T spokesman Jeff Bentoff said the company has "made very significant commitments to share revenue and transmit the public channels - a binding commitment."

... [but] that the company does not believe its system is a cable system, as defined under federal law.

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said by Old_Grouch

:

A recession is when you lose your job.

A depression is when I lose my job.

Telly delivered over a hybrid system of coax and fiber is called cable...needs to be closely watched/regulated/franchised by every government gaggle known to man.

Telly delivered over a hybrid system of twisted copper and fiber is called new IP-based communications from the kinder, gentler fone company. Needs to be supported, unregulated and minimally franchised because it wouldn't be fair to make them deal with hundreds or thousands of little governments causing delays for the demanding consumers that they want to serve.

I think it kinda depends on who you ask and what they are selling that particular day.

I find these kind of comments funny because I don't hear you also saying that cable should be subject to the Federal Telecommunications Act. I mean cable offers phone service, shouldn't they have all of the obligations to line share, required collocation of equipment, LifeLine Service, etc, etc, etc, like the Phone companies do? I mean the cable companies fought that tooth and nail, claiming they weren't a telecom company and that their service over coax was different. So which is it?
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the full jurisdictional boundaries of Milwaukee, I do
know some smaller communities do have U-verse node boxes
installed in their cities. I believe Shorewood and Wauwatosa
have some type of node boxes installed. My point is if there
is a conflict with the height for node boxes blocking a
drivers view, then possibly the city and ATT should then
negotiate with a differnt type of node box. I found that
Calix and Lucent/Alcutel make a lot of node boxs. Some are
more vertical then horizontal. As for addressing the idea
of height restrictions, this is a general practice in most
communities. Citizens are asked not to have high fences
or hedges on the property to restrict a drivers view if
the property is at a intersection. Thusly, a fair compro-
mise of possibly 3 feet high for fences and hedges is
considered adequate for meeting drivers line of sight
at intersections. The same practice could then be used
with ATT and the City of Milwaukee. So if there is a size
limit imposed, then go with a different type and size
node box. Its doubtful that ATT will move the boxes to
another location but my using node boxes less high seems
like a fair compromise. So if one can't build up, then
can then they could build out. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17211072 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:30:10 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17208738 ArgMeMatey : As reported in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on 2 Nov, the City of Milwaukee wants to give alderman veto power on node placement.

"...Aldermen have voiced concern that curbside boxes will block the view of drivers and pedestrians.

The council's Steering & Rules Committee voted, 4-1, to recommend utilities seek approval from the alderman in the district in which a box will be placed. If the alderman refuses, the utility could appeal to a council committee.

The full council will consider the issue Nov. 14..."

Source:
»www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=526269
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that would also be used to receive U-Verse for 2006.The
listing did say that Milwaukee wa :)s one of the cities selected. At this time, I would like to know if anybody
else in the Milwaukee area then has any additional input as to AT&T the providing U-Verse for the Milwaukee area. Some type of confirmation I think is warranted at this point. For more
info, one can use the following link for additional info: :)

»Next U-Verse Cities Revealed ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17204226 Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:23:52 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17167841 ncb1959 : The units I was referring to above are on Township Line Road between 86th and 79th, and on 79th east of Township Line to just past Harcourt. The nearest one I've seen is about three blocks from my house. These are not new construction areas -- they've been built-up for at least 20 years (almost 50 in my neighborhood).

Perhaps the mods should split this off and make a new Indy Lightspeed topic...I certainly don't want to hijack the Milwaukee topic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17167841 Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:50:20 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17166024 NotWulfen : I heard from an AT&T tech this morning that they're planning on rolling out IPTV in the Indianapolis market (around Carmel and such, and new construction where they've been dropping the terminals) on Dec 26th.

Still waiting on them to get to Anderson though, but apparently we're on the list after Indy is lit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17166024 Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:43:59 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17162475 FordTractor : Not trying to hijack the thread but where in Indy are you referring to ncb1959 ? About a year ago, AT&T buried quite a few conduits along 116th street between I-69 and Olio Rd. I've been waiting for the fiber boxes to start showing up since then.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17162475 Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:25:04 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17162092 Layne123 :

said by dslwanter

:

Honey, pack the bags and get the kids ready, we're moving.

sorry... off topic, yet this made me LOL...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17162092 Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:30:54 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17139966 ncb1959 : We're starting to see these on the north side of Indy. There are four brand new ones on a physical line between my house and the CO that are so new they don't even have their electric meters installed yet. (In fact I honestly don't think they've been there more than a week -- I drive that way almost every day and I just noticed them this weekend.)

I hope this means DSL or Lightspeed in the 'hood here soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17139966 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:55:45 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17139091 justbits : I just can't wait for the "Your ad here" signs to start showing up on telecomm infrastructure equipment, via sponsored legislation too. ;-) Maybe that's why they're choosing such visible locations, so they can start "branding" the product and making it more visible.

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An article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on 22 Oct 2006 said that

... A Washington, D.C., law firm has given Milwaukee city officials a legal opinion that says U-Verse would meet city ordinances' definition of cable television service, the "one-way transmission of video programming or other programming services" ...

»www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=521662

According to the Village of Shorewood Manager's Weekly Memo dated 19 Oct 2006:

AT&T, in an attempt to enter the cable TV business, is constructing large equipment boxes in municipal right-of-ways. AT&T has certain rights to erect these large equipment boxes in the right-of-way because there is limited space within the boxes for “non-cable” services [emphasis added]. Because of the substantial public outcry resulting from the placement of these large equipment boxes in residents’ front yards, municipalities such as Shorewood have been asking AT&T to work with them to install such facilities in spaces that are less detrimental to property owners. A recent request from AT&T to install a large equipment box on Cramer Street indicates that they are not interested in such cooperation.

Meanwhile, in Madison, AT&T has sponsored legislation through Representative Phil Montgomery from the Green Bay area to circumvent the regulatory authority municipalities have over taxpayers’ rights-of-way. AT&T continues to take the path of campaign contributions to implement their business plans.

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Currently, in Madison, they have old Alcatel / DSC acquired equipment with about 18,000 ft range. So, making an estimate on the number of boxes - in a true ballpark sort of way, would hold that for every old box, they will need 16 VDSL boxes to cover the same area.

Right now, just the downtown area of Madison has between 300-400 of the old boxes.

Of course, with differences in population density, number will always be off because my estimate above, doesn't account for that. For comparison sake, I know of another small town with rural area with about 30,000 ft radius coverage. That deployment had roughly 300 of the old, 18k range boxes.

Now, if AT&T is going to cherry-pick within localities, to make sure they get the saturation they need... maybe they can get away with the low numbers of boxes they have been pitching. But, if they want to re-cover the entire user-base area that can get their DSL service right now, they will absolutely have to have much more than they are asking for.

I'm wondering if the initial requests are low, just to be palatable, with the overall strategy that when they ask for many more, the localities can't complain or back down, because they have already deployed a few hundred.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16984780 Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:28:38 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16979829 d_l : Line conditioning has been the first sign of Lightspeed progress in neighborhoods around the country. It happens well before any fiber is installed. I guess it will benefit DSL even if the VRAD installation is delayed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16979829 Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:51:36 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16979739 ArgMeMatey : Over the past three weeks I and two of my neighbors have had our phone service die. The diagnosis has been squirrels and the cure has been one replaced drop cable and two pairs switched at the crossbox down the street.

Now today there was an AT&T guy out on the pole (nice AT&T pith helmet, by the way) who said they are upgrading the entire area. I mentioned the squirrel incidents and he said there were two spots on the aerial cable that were chewed through. He marks the cable problems and another crew fixes them, but what he is doing is removing bridge taps. He just said it was for "better service ... like if you have DSL". I asked about u-verse but he didn't have any response on that. Time-Warner has also been doing fiber upgrades a block away and this AT&T guy just said fiber has been backordered for a long time.

It seems to me I've read another thread speculating or indicating that bridge tap removal is a sign of pending u-verse/lightspeed installation. Or is it likely it is just to improve DSL?
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said by cwh

:

From what I have seen most of the lightspeed boxes here have been reasonably well placed.

Don't be fooled. They will do the easiest ones first and say "See how good these look?"

For example the photo I posted to start this thread is sitting adjacent to a veterinary office, between an alley entrance and a busy street. People have complained about it a lot but there would probably be picketing if it were sitting in front of a 2-bedroom cottage with no driveway.

This area is fully developed and there are only two 'commercial' streets in the whole town. The rest of the streets have just houses from one end of town to the other, on narrow lots. It's not quite as dense as what I've seen of Franklin Park, a Chicago suburb, but it's not far off.

When it comes time to do the tough-to-site ones deep in residential territory they'll just say "Well, what else can we do?" and then put it in the four-foot section between the sidewalk and somebody's yard.

All the other utilities around here run along the back lot lines and there are underground feeds to those - for transformer primaries, phone and CATV. So the only place you see wires is midblock where they intersect cross streets.

I understand their limitations, but if they had gone with FTTH, they would have far fewer headaches - and less money, I suppose.

The problem is they do their testing someplace out on the open range where these things look like a grain of sand on a leaf of lettuce and then they try to justify the same thing here. Their motives are clear but their methods are suspect.
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I was talking about the photo we were given not what Eddie and the gang did in their own back yard.
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said by Old_Grouch

said by RadiioDoc :

The rest of the equipment will cover the conduits.

From what I have seen most of the lightspeed boxes here have been reasonably well placed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16951120 Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:07:30 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16950957 Old_Grouch :

said by RadiioDoc :

The rest of the equipment will cover the conduits.

And create an eyesore unless the neighborhood likes the idea of a porta-potty permanently planted in the grassy area 'tween the sidewalk 'n street.

Not to mention the obstruction to drivers' sight and a menace from which little people will dart and run.

Yeppers, modernation !
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16948879 Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:06:48 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16946168 Mega DETH : Here is some news from uverseusers.com

AT&T Begins Testing in Wisconsin's 262 Area Code

AT&T began testing U-verse in the 262 area code of Wisconsin yesterday with 5 trial customers. The area code encompasses the cities of Brookfield, Burlington, Delavan, Elm Grove, Hartland, Kenosha, Lake Geneva, Menomonee Falls, New Berlin, Racine, Thiensville, Waukesha, West Bend, and Whitewater. According to sources within AT&T, the official service launch for this area should be sometime around the beginning of next year.
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I have pictures of it at »www.flickr.com/photos/jauer/216326819/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16713303 Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:06:15 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676403 Anonuser : Talked to a repair man at my parents house in greenfield (the phone lines fell off the pole into their driveway).

He said they are already installing lightspeed in the Greenfield, Wi area (milwaukee metro area)
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The nodes are to be placed unobtrusively, for example in back lots and not in the right-of-way between sidewalks and streets unless there are no other alternatives. That's pretty weaselly.

The article mentioned that they may be placed in backyards near poles where AT&T has utility easements. However I wonder how many legally recorded easements they have. On most blocks around here I've been told that existing facilities are grandfathered by law; the poles have been there since original development in the 1920s but there are no notations on the property documents.
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Folks in the AT&T Southwest forum ( HERE ) will be more familiar with plans in Missouri. And, it will be a good place to check-in occasionally.

Keep in mind that they'll only know what has been announced publicly though.

Good luck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16649099 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 13:36:46 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16647686 elios : hi i think were AT&T midwest now here in MO were SBC and i dont see a SBC forum any more

so any way does any one know what the roll out time is going to be on fiber for AT&T

kinda gettng sick of mediacon here in MO and even though we live in one of the lager citys here were to far from the CO to get DSL way over 12k']]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16647686 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 05:07:22 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16643579 rexarolla : Calix might be a vendor for Lightspeed (U-Verse) but I don't
think is is the only source for node boxes. I found that
there is another vendor that makes 52B node boxes. What I
don't know is the actual vendors name or web site. I do
have a web site telling of the different styles of 52B node
boxes for reference.

»www.lightreading.com/document.asp?_
id=918468print=true

The link then shows an example of how ATT uses 52B node
boxes in Texas and California.

Sorry. don't know vendors name or web site. :)

rexarolla]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16643579 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:00:51 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633486 ArgMeMatey : Can anyone confirm that Calix is the vendor AT&T is using for FTTN equipment? The "outhouses" seem to match their E5 series pictured on page 167 of the PDF below (page 149 on paper).

Here's a link to their 188-page sales brochure.
»www.calix.com/book/Calix_TBONT_051006.pdf
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said by waynemr

:

I've recently heard that AT&T is requesting to install between 500 and 600 of these in the city of Madison.

I would love to hear more. I am in madison as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16565866 Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:22:03 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16563189 Old_Grouch : A recession is when you lose your job.

A depression is when I lose my job.

Telly delivered over a hybrid system of coax and fiber is called cable...needs to be closely watched/regulated/franchised by every government gaggle known to man.

Telly delivered over a hybrid system of twisted copper and fiber is called new IP-based communications from the kinder, gentler fone company. Needs to be supported, unregulated and minimally franchised because it wouldn't be fair to make them deal with hundreds or thousands of little governments causing delays for the demanding consumers that they want to serve.

I think it kinda depends on who you ask and what they are selling that particular day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16563189 Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:27:25 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16561127 ArgMeMatey :

said by attcssguy

:

Actually the services that will be offered are all IP based.

I am sure this is all being debated at levels exceeding my own competence but let's say I can get Comedy Central on Time-Warner digital via broadband coaxial cable. Will lightspeed give me Comedy Central via IP on twisted pair, or not?

In other words, I understand that the medium is different, and that may make AT&T think they are not subject to cable franchising ordinances, but how is AT&T differentiating the content?

A good analogy would be useful here.
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USNG: 16TDN2870 Find your Lat-Long: Geocoder]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16561127 Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:33:46 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16561034 attcssguy : and wreaking their car all to He.....!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16561034 Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:14:09 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16561020 attcssguy : Cable don't want any comp. Yes they did talk to townships. A lot of the townships are so far in bed with the cable companies that they don't want to upset the status quo. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16561020 Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:11:21 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16560997 attcssguy : Yes. Beleive it or not they are not loud at all. If you walked by one you would never know it was running.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16560997 Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:06:22 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16560978 attcssguy : Yes! this is a node for project lightspeed. I am suprised that it is not closer to the crossbox. Actually the services that will be offered are all IP based. This system is up and running in parts of San Antiono TX. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16560978 Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:02:41 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16558349 ArgMeMatey : Relevant excerpts from an article from the local CNI newspaper:
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Village attorney, residents question AT&T box
By Brendan O’Brien
Staff Writer
Posted: July 19, 2006

A recently installed utility box near the corner of North Stowell Avenue and Capitol Drive has caused quite a stir, being deemed an eyesore by those who live nearby and possibly illegal by the village attorney.
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“This is an upgrade of our existing telecom network, which is regulated by the state,” Bentoff said. “The placement of our facilities are regulated by local governments through right-of-way laws and we did comply with those fully.”

The equipment, according to Bentoff, is an increase of fiber optics and bandwidth into the area which includes voice, data and streaming video. Bentoff made a distinction between streaming video that can be relayed to a television and cable service.

“This equipment is for (Internet) enabled services … which we’ll be using for voice service and data service,” he said. “The technology we are using is different than cable. Cable is regulated differently. Cable is required to have franchises.”

The village is part of the Regional Telecommunications Commission, a group that negotiates with cable franchises like Time Warner Cable. According to Pollen, AT&T does not have a franchise permit with the commission in the area for cable communications equipment.
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USNG: 16TDN2870 Find your Lat-Long: Geocoder]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16558349 Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:46:53 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16540115 djrobx : Interesting. That looks very similar to our U-verse boxes, except ours are about half that thickness. Those must serve more people or something.
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said by waynemr

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I've recently heard that AT&T is requesting to install between 500 and 600 of these in the city of Madison.

Interesting stuff.

If you hear any other tidbits please share it with us.
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said by Paulg

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Perhaps its illegal because its too close to the road?

I have a feeling a snowplow would destroy that thing in no time in the winter..

That or a car or two. I can see a drunk driver plow right into that thing!
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said by Paulg

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Perhaps its illegal because its too close to the road?

I have a feeling a snowplow would destroy that thing in no time in the winter..

I believe the "illegality" has more to do with it being in effect cable TV equipment and not just telecommunications equipment. The village wants a franchise agreement before any more of these appear.

I agree that at the very least salt spray could be an issue, however the right-of-way on most streets here is too narrow for any other placement. For example at my house the ROW is 70' wide or 35' on either side of the street center line.

15' Street
10' Curb & grass boulevard
6' Sidewalk
4' Grass to my property line
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35'

So without dealing with me, moving the sidewalk or going underground they have nowhere else to go.
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I have a feeling a snowplow would destroy that thing in no time in the winter..
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a little perspective

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16517452 Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:15:42 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16516825 ArgMeMatey :

said by kherr

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They can put one of those boxes in my yard(front, back, middle) and I won't say a thing!!

It wouldn't be unreasonable to start from the position of totally free service for the life of the lease for yourself and all subsequent homeowners.

If they've got a better offer from a neighbor, tell them you want landscaping, an attached playhouse or potting shed to screen it, driveway plowing and a reasonable rent with inflation clause. That way, it could be a selling point when you move, as long as people wouldn't mind potential tech visits at all times of the day.

For something this size, they should be negotiating leases like the cellular carriers do, not using perceived monopoly power to put stuff whereever they want.

They would love to start up in the most densely-populated municipality in Wisconsin but the catch is that retrofitting with small lots and aerial utilities in backyards is going to be a tough sell.
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Why is ATT putting up these boxes where everyone is fighting it?

Don't they talk with any of these townships before hand?
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said by waynemr

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My Gawd! That thing is huge! I wonder how long it will be before it gets "tagged"? Couldn't they put it underground?

I've heard that these things are noisy too, because they have built-in cooling systems. Does anyone else know much about these big boxes?

Regarding the aesthetic issues, it looks like this issue is dead center on the radar of Wisconsin municipalities. Additionally this 31 May 2006 newsletter has two other articles related to AT&T's efforts: »www.wiscities.org/newsletter.htm

Also I thought this was for FTTH but apparently I haven't been reading things too carefully, because as you probably know this is for FTTN. I'd like to blame it on the heat, but really, I'm just a caveman. Your technology confuses me.
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USNG: 16TDN2870 Find your Lat-Long: Geocoder]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16516339 Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:53:24 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16516209 waynemr : My Gawd! That thing is huge! I wonder how long it will be before it gets "tagged"? Couldn't they put it underground?

I've heard that these things are noisy too, because they have built-in cooling systems. Does anyone else know much about these big boxes?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16516209 Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:32:06 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16516144 dslwanter : Well like I've said before if they don't want it, we'll gladly take it here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16516144 Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:23:19 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16515728 ArgMeMatey : I checked with the village, and their position is that the box is illegal. That's all I have right now, but this should be interesting. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16515728 Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:11:44 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16494192 Mega DETH : Ok now the question is have they made a franchise agreement with Shorewood to offer u-verse?

I have not heard of anything in WI yet.
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"Action does not equal Achievement"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16494192 Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:22:09 EDT Re: Lightspeed node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16494110 dslwanter : Honey, pack the bags and get the kids ready, we're moving.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16494110 Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:09:41 EDT U-verse node in Milwaukee area? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16493815 ArgMeMatey : OK, it's actually in Shorewood on the 4000 block of N Stowell Ave, just north of Capitol Drive. The photo is looking south on Stowell to the intersection with Capitol.

The sidewalk is marked "AT&T FO" and the cabinet sits in the right-of-way. The fiber runs from a manhole on Capitol Drive, past the cabinet, and the markings (apparently not FO) continue N-NE to a pole in the alley between Stowell and Downer Ave. I didn't check to see what was up on the pole.

This is just a bit more than 1/2 mile from MILWWI22 at 1830 E Capitol Drive.

I took video from all sides if anyone wants more, but there's not much to see.

Speculation is invited, knowledge welcome. Thanks.
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