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fAcEtIOUs
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Sounds like the VOIP results make a case for 2-Tier internet

the decline in VoIP quality is due to VoIP services being forced to share bandwidth with other greedy applications such as video & music downloads and interactive gaming.
Looks like there is a need for some QOS rules and maybe the building of a 2 tier internet. One for the regular bulk download internet and another one for real time applications like VOIP and Gaming.
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reub2000
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said by fAcEtIOUs:

the decline in VoIP quality is due to VoIP services being forced to share bandwidth with other greedy applications such as video & music downloads and interactive gaming.
Looks like there is a need for some QOS rules and maybe the building of a 2 tier internet. One for the regular bulk download internet and another one for real time applications like VOIP and Gaming.
How do you suppose that the routers on the internet should differentiate between VoIP and bulk data?
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fAcEtIOUs
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said by reub2000:

How do you suppose that the routers on the internet should differentiate between VoIP and bulk data?
You modify the VOIP msg standards and put a flag on it so that QOS can be applied.
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Jim Gurd
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said by fAcEtIOUs:

You modify the VOIP msg standards and put a flag on it so that QOS can be applied.
I'm sure that could be hacked quite easily.


reub2000
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said by fAcEtIOUs:

said by reub2000:

How do you suppose that the routers on the internet should differentiate between VoIP and bulk data?
You modify the VOIP msg standards and put a flag on it so that QOS can be applied.
So what's to keep a spammer from applying this flag to their messages?
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grandpinaple

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Can we cut the conspiracy what if nonsense. There will always be issues to address and whether it is hacked easily is a moot point. Cable modems used to be hacked easily they are still around. TK you are correct, but I don't think it should be prioritized because then you discriminate which packets are more important. Everyone should just have a dedicated piece of the pipe however small where there packets are absolute in terms of prioritization and when you sign up for a service you indicate which packets you want prioritized. This would preserve the current model of the internet, while allowing some people to prioritize their packets. In other words 100 people sharing 100 mbits would each have 1 mbit dedicated even though they each get 20 mbit connections. This way everyone is happy. They could charge for this prioritization service much like they charge for premium phone line features. Sure there is room for telco corruption, but I think that unethical business practices would be flushed out. What I am saying is though that everyone should have some dedicated minimum amount of the pipe at which point you could pay for the telco to prioritize certain packets that way you wouldn't have to do it yourself.



microserf

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Looks like your wet dream (a marketing whore in geek clothing) has finally found the light of day. This doesn't look like anything but what it is - a shoddy ILEC making excuses.



microserf

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said by grandpinaple :

...whether it is hacked easily is a moot point. Cable modems used to be hacked easily they are still around.
No, it's not. Try making a comparison between similar "items" in the future.
said by grandpinaple :

Everyone should just have a dedicated piece of the pipe however small where there packets are absolute in terms of prioritization and when you sign up for a service you indicate which packets you want prioritized. This would preserve the current model of the internet, while allowing some people to prioritize their packets.
It's called Internet service plus a QoS capable router (at the demarc). No need to make any changes or involve the spin doctors.
said by grandpinaple :

What I am saying is though that everyone should have some dedicated minimum amount of the pipe...
It's called my "connection speed," and thanks, but I'm already paying for exactly that. Do you receive less? Get a nice little story from your ISP? It's bullshit. They billed you for the use of a network and now they want you to finance the upgrades because they've oversold capacity and didn't bother to keep any of the revenue (think dividends, regardless of what TK says).


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How exactly would we go about saying that someone's gaming for entertainment is more important then someone else's streaming videoconference for a business. As soon as you start saying some application is more important then another, you open up a big can of worms.
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fAcEtIOUs
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said by cdru:

How exactly would we go about saying that someone's gaming for entertainment is more important then someone else's streaming videoconference for a business. As soon as you start saying some application is more important then another, you open up a big can of worms.
It is not a question of importance, but one of real time requirements vs applications not needing real time throughput. One NEEDS higher priority to work; the other does not.
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grandpinaple

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How about instead of just making claims you actually warrant them. My analogy was fine. Your router can only prioritize packets as they leave your network not what happens when they leave the telcos network that is what I am talking about. Your connection speed isn't guarenteed. It is for all intents and purposes a burstable pipe, thus there needs to be a guarenteed minimum. It isn't about upgrades because it is wasteful, stupid, and expensive to the consumer to have them maintain 100% capacity all the time when only half gets used. When the pipe gets big enough I no longer require any sort of dedicated connection because with that in mind the bare minimum increases. If I can get a 100Mbps burst when I need to download a large file I am fine with that. For my against the TOS home server a guarenteed minimum of 5 Mbps will due. I am referencing next generation networks here not the present pipes because net neutrality doesn't involve them as things currently stand. I do believe that when BS and Whiteacre first made their comments they had much more greedy intentions in mind. After seeing all the backlash they lowered it to an idea most users would actually want. Don't intepret these companies retarded comments as what their actual agendas are. Unlike most people I see here businessmen have tact and need to excersise that tact to keep the company running. That says absolutely nothing about their actions. A year ago AT&T was claiming 6 Mbps is enough, now they are already considering ways to get past that with engineers question the present state of lightspeed. Think about it, do you on a daily basis go out and say everything sucks and we are gonna get fucked by someone, clearly no. When you buy something crappy at a bargain basement price you rejoice at the deal you got as well. Well I don't expect CEOs to make doomsday forecasts about their companies nor do I expect them to bash the products they sell. Yes Verizon's plan of instant gratification is nicer, but it is also probably going to be much much slower. AT&T is also being more innovative and challenging the present legal structure surrounding cable TV.


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