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Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16575541 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:44:51 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:44:51 EDT Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16584608 Raj Dynel : Still 4.4 as it was the day I got it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16584608 Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:44:28 EDT Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16580311 phattieg :

said by ifarrell

said by LinuxJunkie

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.........It COULD theoretically be much more reliable if voice and video packets were prioritized over others but then we get into the whole Net Neutrality debate........

I agree. I pay $35 a year for a SIPphone DID, and it's reliably cheap enough to run a conference bridge on... I have VoIP on my home phone thru Comcast, and a cell thru Verizon. I am ready to take almost as many calls as you can throw at me... For outbound, I make free calls thru voipuser.org, no cost to join or use, they just limit your calltimes to less than 10 or 20 minutes...
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With the case of Vonage, they could have set their goals too high, mismanaged, etc.
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Quis custodiet custodes ipsos?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16579141 Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:49:49 EDT Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16579125 cdru :

said by Tikker_LoS

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it's slick, but it's not as reliable as POTS, and generally has slightly lesser quality

I would agree that it's not as reliable as POTS. I'll agree somewhat that the quality can, be but is not always, lesser then POTS. Generally speaking my VoIP line has better sound quality. As compared to my cellular service through T-Mobile, my VoIP line is light years ahead.

There are two reasons why I went with VoIP over POTS. Price and features. I was paying $35/month before fees, taxes, and long distance. Too those in there and my typical phone bill was in the $55 +/- a few bucks. I now get all the same features I had before, plus a bunch more, for $8.25 a month. I'll but up with an occasional outage or hiccup for $560 a year. It more then pays for my FiOS line.
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Quis custodiet custodes ipsos?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16579125 Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:47:41 EDT Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16579110 Rob A :

said by Tikker_LoS

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I'm not sure why so many companies are banking on VoIP to be the next killer app

it's slick, but it's not as reliable as POTS, and generally has slightly lesser quality

I agree. I could switch to verizon voicewing and save $15/month, but I prefer my POTS for unlimited calling at $39.95/month for reliability and other advantages.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16579110 Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:45:55 EDT Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16576058 ifarrell :

said by pabster

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Yeah, but it'll never happen. The telcos want POTS to subsidize their losses on the cheap entry-level DSL services. Unfortunately for them, people are dropping POTS right and left which is gonna bite them in the ass down the road.

Frankly there's no reason they couldn't offer POTS service at a competitive rate to VOIP providers (the $25 per month range) with a similar set of services. After all, internally, everything is IP-based and routed over the 'net anyways.

Very true. Charging $7 or $8 per month for Caller ID (at least here it is) is a rip off.
If POTS were about $25 a month, with all you get with VoIP, I think a lot of people would have no trouble switching back.
Obviously the Phone Companies are in denial and holding their breath hoping the bad VoIP Companies will go belly up.
Vonage and Packet8 will eventually and get swallowed up by someone else but VoIP won't be going away anytime soon. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16576058 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:16:29 EDT Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16575762 pabster : Yeah, but it'll never happen. The telcos want POTS to subsidize their losses on the cheap entry-level DSL services. Unforunately for them, people are dropping POTS right and left which is gonna bite them in the ass down the road.

Frankly there's no reason they couldn't offer POTS service at a competitive rate to VOIP providers (the $25 per month range) with a similar set of services. After all, internally, everything is IP-based and routed over the 'net anyways.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16575762 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:28:34 EDT Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16575728 ptrowski :

said by rachelsfx

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Vonage's stock in a LOSER! $17 down to $6.94 a share.

Ummm, I think Wall Street thinks VOIP sucks. FTTN and FIOS is the future on IP switches (something more techie than I know about but sounds good) not Vonage type apps.

-Rach

That's great, but who cares about the stock when this is related to something completely different?
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As for prioritization, it is already being done. VOIP packets do have top priority on several networks already.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16575654 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:06:53 EDT Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16575541 McShaken : I wonder how reliable POTS was in its early days... Quck, call up any old person you know (parents, grandparents, creepy old guy down the block) and find out what the telephone was like in the "olden" days...

:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16575541 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:45:45 EDT Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16575538 owenhome : If POTS was as cheap as VOIP with the same features and long distance rates, POTS would be the next killer app.
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said by LinuxJunkie

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.........It COULD theoretically be much more reliable if voice and video packets were prioritized over others but then we get into the whole Net Neutrality debate........

Well I guess that would mean VoIP would go down the Tubes like a Dump Truck??? :D
In my case Vonage works, well, OK. But in the last week or so I have had a few more dropped calls than normal even during off-peak hours.
I'd trust my Mobile Phone before VoIP but at least it's cheap and you get what you pay for at the end of the day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16575507 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:40:49 EDT Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16575309 rachelsfx : Vonage's stock in a LOSER! $17 down to $6.94 a share.

Ummm, I think Wall Street thinks VOIP sucks. FTTN and FIOS is the future on IP switches (something more techie than I know about but sounds good) not Vonage type apps.

-Rach]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16575309 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:03:18 EDT Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16574975 uther : I threw away a bunch of phones when I was a SBC POTS subscriber thinking that the phone was the source of poor audio quality... When I switched to Vonage... I was also using another phone that I was about to throw away because of the same reason.. Plugged it into the Vonage VOIP router... audio quality was about 2-3x better than POTS. I wish I could get those other phones back....

Just an experience I wanted to share with you and let you know your statement isn't 100% true.

Uther
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LOL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16574716 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:14:41 EDT VoIP is a step down from POTS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16574646 Tikker_LoS : I'm not sure why so many companies are banking on VoIP to be the next killer app

it's slick, but it's not as reliable as POTS, and generally has slightly lesser quality]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16574646 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:02:44 EDT