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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1364591"><b>Alphaotoko9</b></A> : No i agree that its people like them that cause LONG LOYAL PAYING customers to pay EVEN MORE.<br><br> The price of HSI will never go down if you do this scam<br><br>Why? Just because comcast is your isp, or who ever, dosent mean they dont have an isp to pay for the bandwidth they use. The Isp your getting the "great deal" from may not even be makeing a profit, and if they keep working on their services and expanding its going to cost $$$. If thay cant make enough to expand;<br><br>1.) fewer serviceable areas.<br>2.) Higher cost to regular customers.<br><br>IDK HOW TRUE THAT MIGHT BE, BUT THATS WHAT I FIGURE.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : Far to many people pay the full price and don't switch providers.  If they did, perhaps the providers would lower their price to keep their prices.  Anyway I enjoyed this deal.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1323994"><b>juniorx</b></A> : If the promotion thing fails to work, escalate to a supervisior or get me(We give free credit all the time!!!!) ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1171315"><b>tc1uscg</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Morty <A HREF="/useremail/u/1078831"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>It's deception because if you stayed as a Comcast customer, that promotion would not be available to you. So you are leaving with the intent on returning only to gain the discounted rate that would otherwise not be available to you.<br><br>Also, cable equipment costs a lot. Never mind that when Comcast bought ATT Broadband they took on a lot of debt. People seem to think that Comcast and Verizon have a huge surplus of money. That's because they borrow, the price of HSI helps them pay it back, as it costs a lot of money for them to actually offer it to you.<br><br>As for when it comes to the "number of days". Technically it is suppose to be 90Days you are not eligible for ANY promotions from disconnecting (this is what stops people from disconnecting for a week when they go on vacation, and then turning it back on again to get a promotion). However, depending on your area, sometimes there are exceptions. When it comes down to it, service providers will not deny you service. They'd rather have you paying 19$/mo then 0$/mo, but you're still cheating the system, and that's still wrong.<br> </DIV>It's also call competition. If they ran their service like cell phone providers (early term fee, etc), not so many would be jumping ship, however, you are locked into the "plan" you choose when you sign up. If I'm paying 60.00 a month for HSI and DC w/DVR, then, I should keep paying that price till I upgrade and/or after my contract is up, move to someone else, which in turn, they may offer me more goodies to keep me onboard. Till they do that, then when my current promotion is up and they change the price, I'll move to a lower cost service. Same applies to buy a car, house, even a TV (you can bargain at a ABC warehouse store for a cheaper price if you are willing to deal.. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/265762"><b>Goober</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Morty <A HREF="/useremail/u/1078831"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Right, you over look my point. It's not about switching service providers. It's about getting a promotion that's for New Customers only, when you're really not. That's it.<br> </DIV>But you are a new customer, according to Comcast's definition as programmed into their computer systems.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : I agree.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1078831"><b>Morty</b></A> : I think I've made my point very clear. YOU seem to be the one not understanding it and seem to think I'm saying "you can't switch providers". What I'm saying I find wrong is people who purposely go back and forth to get promotions, while a normal "loyal" customer pays the full rate is wrong.<br><br>It's a matter of opinion, that's why this topic has been argued to death a bunch of times before, and will be in the future I'm sure. However, I think I've explained to the best of my ability my views, and there's many others who agree with it. Just as there's many who agree with yours. But for this topic, I think I'm done.  :p]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : <BLOCKQUOTE><br>Right, you over look my point. It's not about switching service providers. It's about getting a promotion that's for New Customers only, when you're really not. That's it.<br></BLOCKQUOTE><br>You still do not get it.  No deception has occurred.  I have the freedom in this country to get broadband from any provider available.  I never told Comcast that I'm a life time customer.  As long as I pay my bills and abide by their rules, I'm a good customer.  There is no deception whatsoever.  <br><br>My comparison about a car delealership is this.  I choose to go to a dealer and try to get the lowest price possible.  You choose to pay list price.  If I get a lower price, it doesn't cost you more if you come in after me.  The dealer just makes less money on me than you.  <br><br>What car I drove there has no bearing on the business dealer of buying a new car?  So, your counter argument does not make sense.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1078831"><b>Morty</b></A> : Right, you over look my point. It's not about switching service providers. It's about getting a promotion that's for New Customers only, when you're really not. That's it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : Hey guys lets talk about Comcast business model of making promotions.  Why does Comcast's promotion involve rebates and not just provide a large discount?  For example, if you sign up through Circuit City, you will receive $50 gift card if you send in the first month's bill.  Why doesn't Comcast lower the price to $10/month for 5 months and make the 6th month $20.  The customer gets his $50 rebate through a larger discount. Comcast does not have to manage a rebate program, the customer does not have to submit for it.  It seems pretty simple to me. Comcast knows, as well as every company that offers rebates, that few customers submit for the rebate.  At least I'm upfront about I do; I can't say the same about Comcast.  What a sleazy firm you are defending?<br><br>How many of us feel that the rebates never come?  If the practice of rebating is reasonable practice, then so is fliping one ISP for another.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/265762"><b>Goober</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Morty <A HREF="/useremail/u/1078831"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><BR><BR>I don't think there's any "feel-sad-for-Comcast-crap". What it comes down to is if people did the same thing with other companies, or followed the same logic just with more money, it is illegal. Lots of people seem to think cheating a company of money is justified if it's just Comcast, or if it's just Verizon.<br><br>And people who say "Company X should do something about it" I'm sorry, that's just an excuse. Companies don't put strict measures up because not enough people do it, does that mean it is justified to do it? <B>NO</B>. <br><br>Under your logic, it's not illegal to speed past the speed limit on a highway if there are no police officers there to enforce it.<br><br>And if there is only 1 person on that highway who speeds out of the thousands that travel on it, is it justified for the Police to pay for a Police Officer to watch everyone on that highway if they're speeding (with a cost in the thousands) only to hand the person a ticket for a few hundred at max? No, it's not worth it. Does that mean it is ok for that one person to speed then? NO it isn't.<br><br>If a company has to change policies, make adjustments to billing systems, hire more people to stop customers from doing this, that only costs them more money. The point being is most people have ethics and don't do this kind of thing, so there really isn't any justification for a company to spend more money to stop it, but again.... In no way does this justify for what you are doing. And for the loss in revenue from customers who do this... it's easier to just rate hike the price for everyone else.<br> </DIV>Speeding is statutorily illegal.  Changing cable providers when you aren't under any kind of contract is what?  I can't even say it's unethical, since I'm not sure what ethics you think people violate by doing this.<br><br>On a very base level, this is a purely business transaction.  Comcast sets forth T&Cs and AUPs that need to be agreed upon before receiving services.  There is a contractual agreement between the parties.  If I operate in ways that are contrary to the provisions of the contract, then I am in breach and Comcast can terminate the agreement (my services).  If I take certain actions outside the contract, which is not covered by any of the provisions, and it's not illegal, then the person writing the contract needs to rewrite the document or change the provisions if he doesn't like that behavior.<br><br>This is how business works.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : <BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, there is nothing wrong with it, if your intentions are legitimate. If you have legitimate reasons for moving back and forth between providers there is not a problem.</BLOCKQUOTE><br><B>My motives are legitimate, to get the cheapest price possible. </B>  Comcast's motives are legitimate too, to make the highest profit possible.<br><br><BLOCKQUOTE><br>It's built into the pricing of ANY company. You work in the restaurant business, part of the cost of the meal that is provided to you is the "lost sales" cost. That is, if you order a steak, and it is over cooked, and it is sent back to the kitchen, part of the cost for that steak is included on top the food cost for the steak itself. It is expected that not every steak will be perfect, and that a certain percentage of steaks will be sent back. This is calculated into the cost of the steak when you originally purchased it.<br></BLOCKQUOTE><br>I would accept this argument it were true about the cable and telephone industry.  The cable and telephone industry are monopolies; they have the ability to set prices.  Currently, only two percent of all Americans have more than one cable company to choose from, but those lucky few are paying 10 to 20 percent less than the rest of us who subscribe to cable.  That's because the cable industry has evolved as a local monopoly, with little government, consumer or rate protections. As a result, cable companies for the most part have been able to raise rates without the check of competition or any meaningful regulation.  <br><br>Industry consolidation has also contributed to rising cable rates.  Reports from the federal government's investigative arm, the Government Accountability Office (GAO), found in a study of cable prices that as cable companies get larger, and as they cluster and dominate regional areas, prices rise faster.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1078831"><b>Morty</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Daddio1949 <A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE><br>If a company has to change policies, make adjustments to billing systems, hire more people to stop customers from doing this, that only costs them more money. The point being is most people have ethics and don't do this kind of thing, so there really isn't any justification for a company to spend more money to stop it, but again.... In no way does this justify for what you are doing. And for the loss in revenue from customers who do this... it's easier to just rate hike the price for everyone else.<br></BLOCKQUOTE><br>This is <B>not</B> ethical issue, its a business issue.  Comcast is selling a product.  No fraud or deception has occurred.  If they allow me to obtain a better price, then its not my fault that I am not paying full price.  <B>I suppose that you also feel customers, who haggle for a better price in a car dealership, then cause the price for all other customers to be higher.  Are the hagglers deceiving anybody?</B><br> </DIV>If they have legitimate means to haggle for a lower price then it is valid. IF however, for example, their reason for haggling is "I've never bought a dodge before" -- yet they drove to the dealership in a dodge. Then this would be deceiving, to get a gain that would not be offered to someone who just walked in and asked to buy the car.<br><br>Car dealerships are also a bad example, seeing as Dealerships use the "haggle for lower prices" as a selling point, Verizon, Comcast etc clearly do not. Also, it's to no surprise that almost all of the major car companies are in a hole.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1078831"><b>Morty</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Daddio1949 <A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><B>Nor can you show where it states the opposite that customers leaving a provider does affect prices.  Just because you say its so, doesn't make it so.</B>  <br> </DIV>It's built into the pricing of ANY company. You work in the restaurant business, part of the cost of the meal that is provided to you is the "lost sales" cost. That is, if you order a steak, and it is over cooked, and it is sent back to the kitchen, part of the cost for that steak is included on top the food cost for the steak itself. It is expected that not every steak will be perfect, and that a certain percentage of steaks will be sent back. This is calculated into the cost of the steak when you originally purchased it.<br><br>This is no different from any other company, when you purchase your cable you pay XX.XX per month, this cost includes a % of costs for trouble calls, repair/upgrades and to no surprise lost customers on top of the cost to provide the service as is, and on top of a sustained profit!<br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Daddio1949 <A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Here is why the promotional offerings do not affect the loyal customers.</DIV>Yes, promotional offers <B>as offered</B> do not affected existing customers. That is to say, if new people are signing up, they are helping to lower the operating costs if they are within the existing footprint. However, if an existing customer is getting a constantly discounted rate, then this does affect the cost, and this is calculated in to the price as explained above.<br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Daddio1949 <A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Where is the deception. When I rejoined Comcast, they even gave be back my old customer number. They know that I have been a customer several times before. Clearly, Comcast knows that I was customer before. In fact, they welcomed me back.</DIV> Yes, there is nothing wrong with it, if your intentions are legitimate. If you have legitimate reasons for moving back and forth between providers there is not a problem. If you are however, moving back and forth only as a "new subscriber" to obtain a promotion that would not be available to you as an existing subscriber, that is where the deception comes in to play. Many people don't sign up under the same name. Many people put if under there wife's name, there daughters name etc all to get around the system.<br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Daddio1949 <A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>So true.</DIV>See the post above, *so wrong*. It's a simple case of ethics, something fewer and fewer people have anymore.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : <BLOCKQUOTE><br>If a company has to change policies, make adjustments to billing systems, hire more people to stop customers from doing this, that only costs them more money. The point being is most people have ethics and don't do this kind of thing, so there really isn't any justification for a company to spend more money to stop it, but again.... In no way does this justify for what you are doing. And for the loss in revenue from customers who do this... it's easier to just rate hike the price for everyone else.<br></BLOCKQUOTE><br>This is <B>not</B> ethical issue, its a business issue.  Comcast is selling a product.  No fraud or deception has occurred.  If they allow me to obtain a better price, then its not my fault that I am not paying full price.  <B>I suppose that you also feel customers, who haggle for a better price in a car dealership, then cause the price for all other customers to be higher.  Are the hagglers deceiving anybody?</B>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : <BLOCKQUOTE>Ar you making up the rules as you go along? Can you show where it states that customers leaving a provider for another DOESNT affect prices or that internet is a cash cow and 100% profit as you have stated in the past?<br></BLOCKQUOTE><br><B>Nor can you show where it states the opposite that customers leaving a provider does affect prices.  Just because you say its so, doesn't make it so.</B>  <br><BR><br>Here is why the promotional offerings do not affect the loyal customers.  The cost structure of the cable and telephone companies is largely a sunk cost.  They recovered most of their cost through cable TV.  When high speed internet came along they were able to piggy-back on their cost for cable TV.  Their cost are largely fixed, an increase or decrease in customers are easily handled by their current equipment.  Effectively, they are spreading their fixed cost over a greater volume.  Their variable cost increase slightly with an additional customer and their revenue increase by even more.  Many, if not most, of the increase in customers remain with Comcast and wind up paying more, who serve to increase profit.  Have you forgotten that Comcast was granted a monopoly by the county governments.  If Comcast sees this as a problem, how come they do have contracts? <br><br><BLOCKQUOTE><BR><br>It's deception because if you stayed as a Comcast customer, that promotion would not be available to you. So you are leaving with the intent on returning only to gain the discounted rate that would otherwise not be available to you.<br></BLOCKQUOTE><br><B>Where is the deception.</B>  When I rejoined Comcast, they even gave be back my old customer number.  They know that I have been a customer several times before.  Clearly, Comcast knows that I was customer before.  In fact, they welcomed me back.  <B>Who have I deceived?</B>  I think that you are deceiving yourself here.  <br><br><BLOCKQUOTE><BR><br>Bottom line is that it's not illegal and not against Comcast policy. If they don't want churning then they should do something about it.<br></BLOCKQUOTE><br>So true.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1078831"><b>Morty</b></A> : I don't think there's any "feel-sad-for-Comcast-crap". What it comes down to is if people did the same thing with other companies, or followed the same logic just with more money, it is illegal. Lots of people seem to think cheating a company of money is justified if it's just Comcast, or if it's just Verizon.<br><br>And people who say "Company X should do something about it" I'm sorry, that's just an excuse. Companies don't put strict measures up because not enough people do it, does that mean it is justified to do it? <B>NO</B>. <br><br>Under your logic, it's not illegal to speed past the speed limit on a highway if there are no police officers there to enforce it.<br><br>And if there is only 1 person on that highway who speeds out of the thousands that travel on it, is it justified for the Police to pay for a Police Officer to watch everyone on that highway if they're speeding (with a cost in the thousands) only to hand the person a ticket for a few hundred at max? No, it's not worth it. Does that mean it is ok for that one person to speed then? NO it isn't.<br><br>If a company has to change policies, make adjustments to billing systems, hire more people to stop customers from doing this, that only costs them more money. The point being is most people have ethics and don't do this kind of thing, so there really isn't any justification for a company to spend more money to stop it, but again.... In no way does this justify for what you are doing. And for the loss in revenue from customers who do this... it's easier to just rate hike the price for everyone else.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/265762"><b>Goober</b></A> : Bottom line is that it's not illegal and not against Comcast policy.  If they don't want churning then they should do something about it.<br><br>Maybe they can take my $600 a year they won't get out of the CEO's $18.4M total pay package for 2005 or the $33.5M for 2004.  Wait, can you hear that . . .  it's the world's tiniest violin playing a sad song for Comcast.<br><br>Give me a break with all this feel-sad-for-Comcast crap.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1078831"><b>Morty</b></A> : It's deception because if you stayed as a Comcast customer, that promotion would not be available to you. So you are leaving with the intent on returning only to gain the discounted rate that would otherwise not be available to you.<br><br>Also, cable equipment costs a lot. Never mind that when Comcast bought ATT Broadband they took on a lot of debt. People seem to think that Comcast and Verizon have a huge surplus of money. That's because they borrow, the price of HSI helps them pay it back, as it costs a lot of money for them to actually offer it to you.<br><br>As for when it comes to the "number of days". Technically it is suppose to be 90Days you are not eligible for ANY promotions from disconnecting (this is what stops people from disconnecting for a week when they go on vacation, and then turning it back on again to get a promotion). However, depending on your area, sometimes there are exceptions. When it comes down to it, service providers will not deny you service. They'd rather have you paying 19$/mo then 0$/mo, but you're still cheating the system, and that's still wrong.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027550"><b>ebuzzn</b></A> : Adding more Customers and Doubling speeds means higher bandwidth requirements needed on your forward signal and return.  Comcast is always monitoring it CMTS's and individual nodes.  When they reach a 80% saturation often new equipment is added in their Headend or node locations to add more bandwidth for the return or forward signal.  This does cost $$$$$$.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:08:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><b>CableTool</b></A> : probably even more if they dropped it to 20.00.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:03:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1286535"><b>thehinge</b></A> : I absolutely agree with dj.  Comcast might keep a bunch more customers if they even offered $33.00 long term to ALL customers, not just in the CDV/Video bundle. I suspect not as many price conscious customers would flee to DSL every six months.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:53:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><b>CableTool</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Daddio1949 <A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Does it affect the price of service offered to existing customers?  No.  I already answered this question; high speed internet is a cash-cow for Comcast..  They make a profit off new customers and make an even larger profit off existing customers.  <br> </DIV>Ar you making up the rules as you go along? Can you show where it states that customers leaving a provider for another DOESNT affect prices or that internet is a cash cow and 100% profit as you have stated in the past?<br><SMALL>--<br>*&acute;*)<BR>&cedil;.&#149;&acute;&cedil;.&#149;*') &cedil;.&#149;*.<BR>(&cedil;.&#149;&acute;  (&cedil;.&#149;'<BR>                   <A HREF="http://cablefaq.org/">Technicians -Unplugged</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:42:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : <BLOCKQUOTE><br>The idea behind the promotion is for New Subscribers only. It is understandable if you are switching service providers perhaps once, due to a problem with a previous service from another company (right, it's a free market). However, if you are obtaining a promotion that is designed for New Customers only (people who have not have Comcast within at least the past 24 months) or you are purposely switching back and forth between companies for the sole purpose to obtain promotions -- is fraud, or in the very least, by accepting a promotion that is listed for new comcast subscribers only is conspiracy to commit fraud.<br><br>Is it jail time or legal actions? No.<br>Is it wrong, yes.<br>Does it affect the price of service offered to existing customers? Yes.<br><br>This all falls under the first definition "A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.". By canceling your service with the intention of restarting your service 6 months later is deception, as you are posing to Comcast as a New Subscriber when restarting your service. Clearly (given the intent of this thread -- "Never pay full price for High Speed again!!!") the deception is used to unfairly gain a discounted rate... a rate that would not be offered to you if you stayed with Comcast as an existing customer those 6 months.<br></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>There is no deception going on here when you switch internet providers.  If the internet provider's rules, for example, declares you a new subscriber after 60 or 90 days, and you return to the internet provider after their time limit, there is no deception going.  We are playing the game according to the rules of the internet provider.  <br><br>Please explain <br>where the deception is?  <br>Where do you get the 24 months criterion from?  <br>Are you making up the rules as you go along?  <br>Do you own stock in Comcast?<br><br>Is this wrong?  No and hell no.  I believe that Comcast declares you a new customer after a couple on months.  After those few months are up if Comcast considers me a new customer, then so be it.  <br><br>Does it affect the price of service offered to existing customers?  No.  I already answered this question; high speed internet is a cash-cow for Comcast..  They make a profit off new customers and make an even larger profit off existing customers.  They are virtually in monopoly position for high speed internet for many.  Don't tell me that Comcast and Verizon are fierce competitor's when they only compete on the speed of the internet and not price.<br><br>I have browsed the forums here and most people do not switch between dsl and cable for various reasons, e.g. problems in installation and the hassle.  Consequently, it is not even worth Comcast's effort to monitor such behavior.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1078831"><b>Morty</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Daddio1949 <A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I signed up for their promotions, ordered high speed internet, and submitted for the rebates.<br><br>I don't think taking advantage of these promotions is fraud.  Those who took advantage of the promotion do subscribe to high speed internet, and the individual promotions do not prohibit the multiple rebate-dipping.  There is no deception or trickery involved.  Consequently, no fraud is involved.  <br><br>Is it fraud when a company misprices a product and you purchase it?  You did not trick the company in this case when the seller does not monitor its price.  If an ISP fails to monitor its rebate promotions, then it is not my fault. <br><BLOCKQUOTE><br>fraud (fr&ocirc;d)<br>n.<br><br>1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.<br>2. A piece of trickery; a trick.<br>3.<br>1. One that defrauds; a cheat.<br>2. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.<br></BLOCKQUOTE><br> </DIV>The idea behind the promotion is for New Subscribers only. It is understandable if you are switching service providers perhaps once, due to a problem with a previous service from another company (right, it's a free market). However, if you are obtaining a promotion that is designed for New Customers only (people who have not have Comcast within at least the past 24 months) or you are purposely switching back and forth between companies for the sole purpose to obtain promotions -- is fraud, or in the very least, by accepting a promotion that is listed for new comcast subscribers only is conspiracy to commit fraud. <br><br>Is it jail time or legal actions? No. <br>Is it wrong, yes. <br>Does it affect the price of service offered to existing customers? Yes.<br><br>This all falls under the first definition <I>"A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain."</I>. By canceling your service with the intention of restarting your service 6 months later is deception, as you are posing to Comcast as a New Subscriber when restarting your service. Clearly (given the intent of this thread -- "Never pay full price for High Speed again!!!") the deception is used to unfairly gain a discounted rate... a rate that would <B>not</B> be offered to you if you stayed with Comcast as an existing customer those 6 months.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  NetFixer <A HREF="/useremail/u/1030204"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>The primary reason I still have Comcast service is just in case BellSouth decides it needs to use my leased wire pair for a BellSouth Customer and arbitrarily disconnects me (again). <br> </DIV>I know exactly what happened. A technician in the field was assigned a cable pair that was no good. He looked for another one and lo and behold he found one with no dial tone, bingo a spare pair.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:37:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1030204"><b>NetFixer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  NormanS <A HREF="/useremail/u/314530"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>In areas where cable and DSL coexist, people who want economy prices go with DSL. People willing to pay premium prices for speed go with cable. Supply and demand. Just as you say.<br> </DIV>Another factor driving market forces can be reliability. I pay more for my 1536/384 kbps Covad DSL service than I do for my 6600/384 kbps Comcast service, but the 99.999999% uptime and the ability to legally operate a mail server on it is what I am paying for. Price is <B>not</B> always the driving force. <br><br>The primary reason I still have Comcast service is just in case BellSouth decides it needs to use my leased wire pair for a BellSouth Customer and arbitrarily disconnects me <B>(again)</B>. In that case, having an unreliable connection beats having no connection until Covad can arrange for a new leased BellSouth wire pair. <br><br>Not having to deal with BellSouth is the primary reason I first tried Comcast, and that in itself can be a major market force factor.<br><SMALL>--<br>History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.<BR>-- Dwight D. Eisenhower<BR><A HREF="http://portscan.dcs-net.net">Test your firewall.</A><BR><A HREF="http://nature-pics.com">Smell the flowers.</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/314530"><b>NormanS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jagged <A HREF="/useremail/u/834558"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Supply and demand is what drives prices, and competition something which Comcast doesn't have a lot of.<br> </DIV>Absolutely. In areas where cable and DSL coexist, people who want economy prices go with DSL. People willing to pay premium prices for speed go with cable. Supply and demand. Just as you say.<br><SMALL>--<br>Norman<BR>~Oh Lord, why have you come<BR>~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : <BLOCKQUOTE>The equipment, the install, the billing, everything costs something at some level. I dont think I, or anyone in this thread, ever argued that new customers cost the company money.<br><br>But really, do you think a company with a plant that can handle 1000 customers but only has 200 customers has the same expense as a plant that can handle 1000 customers but has 890 customers?</BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>What equipment do they install?  I installed my modem and router.  As far as I'm concerned the cable companies covered their costs with cable TV; the internet is all profit.  Let's face it the Cable companies were profitable before high speed internet and high speed internet just adds to the bottom line.  High speed internet is the biggest cash-cow there is.<br><br><BLOCKQUOTE>Cable and DSL prices are being established by what the market will bear. This only becomes detrimental in places where one has no choice between cable and DSL. Where there is only cable, people who would rather pay $15 per month for adequate surfing and email speeds are stuck choosing between dial-up and premium priced cable. Where there is only DSL, people who would willingly pay $55, and up, for the fastest speeds are stuck with upper speeds substantially lower than they want, and are willing to pay for. </BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>So as long as you have two providers, the competition becomes fierce.  If there was real competition, then they would compete on price, not this competing of speed. As I said before I doubt that the extra cost of doubling the speed to little to nil.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:13:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><b>CableTool</b></A> : Thats a great opinion.  :uhh:<br><br>In areas where Comcast has competition their prices are the same as every other area. They will raise speeds, not lower price. <br>It has been stated time and again by Comcast that they will not compete on price because they believe they are charging what their product is worth. And mb for mb they are dead on when comparing to DSL speeds and prices. Its a market value. <br><br>They provide a superior product, and its cost reflects that. Just as a caddy cant be picked up for 20K. Id rather drive  a caddy then a honda anyday. They arent the same car. It isnt supply and demand. One is better. <br><br>Many people would argue HSI isnt a good product? Would any of those be in the 8 million Cocmast customers that use it everyday?<br><SMALL>--<br>*&acute;*)<BR>&cedil;.&#149;&acute;&cedil;.&#149;*') &cedil;.&#149;*.<BR>(&cedil;.&#149;&acute;  (&cedil;.&#149;'<BR>                   <A HREF="http://cablefaq.org/">Technicians -Unplugged</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/834558"><b>jagged</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  CableTool <A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jagged <A HREF="/useremail/u/834558"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  CableTool <A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><br><br> <br>High prices are a result of a good product. <br> </DIV>really!?! sleep much in business class?<br> </DIV>Premium Product = Premium price.<br>Did you even take business class?<br> </DIV>Yep, passed it with an A without a book. Supply and demand is what drives prices, and competition something which Comcast doesn't have a lot of.<br><br>But seeing your name I'm no surprised they hired you as BBR Comcast head cheerleader<br><br>Many people will argue HSI is hardly good product, me included - on speed, quality, and customer support.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><b>CableTool</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jagged <A HREF="/useremail/u/834558"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  CableTool <A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><br><br> <br>High prices are a result of a good product. <br> </DIV>really!?! sleep much in business class?<br> </DIV>Premium Product = Premium price.<br>Did you even take business class?<br><SMALL>--<br>*&acute;*)<BR>&cedil;.&#149;&acute;&cedil;.&#149;*') &cedil;.&#149;*.<BR>(&cedil;.&#149;&acute;  (&cedil;.&#149;'<BR>                   <A HREF="http://cablefaq.org/">Technicians -Unplugged</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/834558"><b>jagged</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  CableTool <A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR> <br>High prices are a result of a good product. <br> </DIV>really!?! sleep much in business class?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/834558"><b>jagged</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Alphaotoko9 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1364591"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  fonzbear2000 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1245628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  b1gdr3 <A HREF="/useremail/u/439334"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>scams like this are the reason Comcast won't lower rates<br> </DIV>it doesn't surprise me to see you complaining about things like this b1gdr3-this is not a scam-it's completely legitimate   <br> </DIV>Dude thats not legitimate at all im almost certin that there has to be a law agenst it. Its playing the system, maby legaly is ok,  but moraly i dont think so.<br> </DIV>Has to be or there is a law?<br>So then if "maby" legaly is ok doesn't mean it's not just because you think "moraly" it's not<br><br>You don't shop at Walmart to get rock bottom, unrealistic prices on products you'd have to otherwise spend normal retail prices on!?! No difference here<br><br>Besides Comcast's service is pretty bad in some areas and definitely not deserving of whatever normal market price there is for HSI]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/314530"><b>NormanS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Daddio1949 <A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>The only reason they are giving faster speeds is because they do not want to complete on price.<br> </DIV>As with cars, HSI splits between people who will pay a premium for speed, and people who would rather take economy over "speed at any price".<br><br>Cable and DSL prices are being established by what the market will bear. This only becomes detrimental in places where one has no choice between cable and DSL. Where there is only cable, people who would rather pay $15 per month for adequate surfing and email speeds are stuck choosing between dial-up and premium priced cable. Where there is only DSL, people who would willingly pay $55, and up, for the fastest speeds are stuck with upper speeds substantially lower than they want, and are willing to pay for.<br><br>So much for cable prices being the result of "monopoly".<br><SMALL>--<br>Norman<BR>~Oh Lord, why have you come<BR>~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><b>CableTool</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Daddio1949 <A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I do think your cost model holds for the cable industry.  I doubt that Comcast or any other cable company has little, if any, extra cost for each additional internet subscriber.  How many extra people do they hire for an additional internet subscriber, for additional 100 internet subscriber?  They hire no additional people.  Do they change there equipment for the additional internet subscribers?  I doubt it.  <B>I bet what they charge each subscriber is almost entirely all profit.</B><br> </DIV>The equipment, the install, the billing, everything costs something at some level. I dont think I, or anyone in this thread, ever argued that new customers cost the company money. <br>But really, do you think a company with a plant that can handle 1000 customers but only has 200 customers has the same expense as a plant that can handle 1000 customers but has 890 customers?<br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Daddio1949 <A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>The only reason they are giving faster speeds is because they do not want to complete on price.  The faster speeds do not increase their costs.  By the way the competition on speed is avowed policy by Comcast.  Several times in the last year the CEO of Comcast has proclaimed that they will compete on speed, not price.<br> </DIV>Ive never said otherwise. Actually, that was MY point. They will NOT lower the price because it is the market value. They WILL increase the speed. Youve made my point for me. ( or restated it to me as I stated it in this thread) So again, competition will not bring Comcast to lower their prices. They will increase value. <br><SMALL>--<br>*&acute;*)<BR>&cedil;.&#149;&acute;&cedil;.&#149;*') &cedil;.&#149;*.<BR>(&cedil;.&#149;&acute;  (&cedil;.&#149;'<BR>                   <A HREF="http://cablefaq.org/">Technicians -Unplugged</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : I do think your cost model holds for the cable industry.  I doubt that Comcast or any other cable company has little, if any, extra cost for each additional internet subscriber.  How many extra people do they hire for an additional internet subscriber, for additional 100 internet subscriber?  They hire no additional people.  Do they change there equipment for the additional internet subscribers?  I doubt it.  <B>I bet what they charge each subscriber is almost entirely all profit.</B><br><br>The only reason they are giving faster speeds is because they do not want to complete on price.  The faster speeds do not increase their costs.  By the way the competition on speed is avowed policy by Comcast.  Several times in the last year the CEO of Comcast has proclaimed that they will compete on speed, not price.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><b>CableTool</b></A> : Broadband mb for mb is the same if not CHEAPER then DSL. Nobody is getting GOUGED. Each year there has been a speed increase with no extra cost and there is no sign of that stopping. If you are paying the same NOW at 8mb/768 as you were at 6/384 how is that being GOUGED. <br>Its a good product for a fair price. <br><br>If you want to download movies and porn and game 24/7 and counterstrike your life away and download music faster then you did 5 years ago... hell, one year ago, there is a good chance it will cost you a few bucks. <br>As far as value, Id like to see HSI for 10.00 a month but that isnt realistic is it? Its market priced. <br><br>You and djrobx  go start your own company. Focus on giving price cuts and breaks to your existing customers and do nothing to make an attractive offer to new customers. <br>Meanwhile while you and your 100 customers are happy and your business slowly ( or quickly) goes bankrupt while prices for everything else around you rise and your prices remain the same or LOWERED Ill be over here growing my business, gaining new customers, satisfying and delivering what my existing customers paid for and taking my profits to grow my business, my field and the technology in their homes. <br>See ya on the other side.<br><SMALL>--<br>*&acute;*)<BR>&cedil;.&#149;&acute;&cedil;.&#149;*') &cedil;.&#149;*.<BR>(&cedil;.&#149;&acute;  (&cedil;.&#149;'<BR>                   <A HREF="http://cablefaq.org/">Technicians -Unplugged</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:23:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1230112"><b>magusat999</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  CableTool <A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  djrobx <A HREF="/useremail/u/162762"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>SO HERES TO YOU FONZBEAR!!!  <br>Working the system and causing it to work eveyone else! HATS OFF!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Fonzbear wasn't the one who came up with the ridiculous idea of actively encouraging churn by giving good deals to "new customers" only.   There are so many ways providers can fix the "churn" and "re-churn" problem if they actually felt it was a problem.  <br><br>1) DO NOT allow "new cusotmer" promotions for customers that have already had them.  We have database technology, it shouldn't be that hard to identify people "gaming the system" so to speak. <br><br>2) How about a better approach.  How about ENCOURAGING LOYAL CUSTOMERS TO STAY by offering the same fair pricing to both new and old customers alike!  Why are "new customers" so much more important than the existing ones, anyway?   <br> </DIV>Your right. They should offer existing customers promos for 26.00 a month for 16 months. That is a BRILLIANT business model!! Way to stay competitive and grow the business. <br><br>They do not allow new customers promos if they have already had them UNLESS a certain amount of time has gone by. <br>So you dont want customers to get a promo more then once but you also want all customers to be able to get promos and discounts, existing or new? Thats a neat trick.<br><br>They encourage customers to stay by offering a good product at a good price. <br>I could say a Lexus is way overpriced but I still want one. Its worth what the public will pay. And if I want one thats the price it is. <br>Read my post again, they try to fix churn by implementing contracts and stretch out the promos. That is how they "fix" churn. <br>But I like your world where there are no promos. There are no introductory rates to try out products or lower your risk. Or the complete opposite suggestion that everyone gets promos. New and old. Nah.. that shouldnt kill the bottom line. <br>NEW customer are more important because if there wasnt NEW customers or ways to get new customers then you wouldnt have a business anymore. <br>( are you serious?)<br> </DIV>What a ridiculous counter-arguement. The problem with these pricing "schemes" is that these products and services are way over-priced, everyone knows it - but people don't want to say it because psycho-hypocrites start calling them "poor" or cheap. So-called promotional pricing is conceived as some sort of "deal", but we all know that that's a crock. These companies have to be making money - otherwise the majority of thier customers wouldn't be paying low prices. Let's not pretend that once people become subscribers, money just "flows" out of thier bank account and into the ISP's coffers. I know it isn't that way for me. I spent 14 years with AOL / AOL Broadband and they never saw an extra cent beyond my subscription fee the whole time. That's because as an EXISTING CUSTOMER I felt like a second class citizen. If AOL had some enticing offers AFTER I SUBSCRIBED they might have made more money from me. Existing customers are more important than new customers when a business is trying to exist - when they are just putting on makeup to whore out to the highest bidder (American corporate common practice) then the "most important customer" is the new customer, because it's quantity, not quality that counts.<br><br>It would be nice if companies would stop ripping off thier customer base by giving them less for more, overpricing, gouging people who have no alternatives, pricing based on desire instead of value... but why do that when there is always a fresh new customer base, ready to get clipped... willingly.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><b>CableTool</b></A> : I never said anything for or against it. I stated the obvious workarounds companies have put in place that everyone bitches about to try and curb the habit. <br>Contracts.<br>Floating promos.<br>Bundled discounts. <br><br>Whatever works for whomever. Who cares. But all consumer actions and habits affect all other consumers. Lets not be naive.<br><SMALL>--<br>*&acute;*)<BR>&cedil;.&#149;&acute;&cedil;.&#149;*') &cedil;.&#149;*.<BR>(&cedil;.&#149;&acute;  (&cedil;.&#149;'<BR>                   <A HREF="http://cablefaq.org/">Technicians -Unplugged</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1093604"><b>dr_shmass</b></A> : So it's ok for Comcast to try to make the most profit they can...but not for a comsumer to try to get the best price they can for a service?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:41:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><b>CableTool</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  fonzbear2000 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1245628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  CableTool <A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I said the isp bouncing is the reason for contracts and binding promos and discounts for bundled products as opposed to lower rates for stand alone products.</DIV>here, i have comcast and qwest to bounce back and forth between, NEITHER of which require a contract<br> </DIV>I never said all companies have contracts either? geesh. I stated people grabbing promos and leaving are one of the reasons companies DO have contracts. <br><br>I think its great Comcast has never had contracts. If they ever do institute them though everyone can send Fonzbear a thank you card.  :D<br><SMALL>--<br>*&acute;*)<BR>&cedil;.&#149;&acute;&cedil;.&#149;*') &cedil;.&#149;*.<BR>(&cedil;.&#149;&acute;  (&cedil;.&#149;'<BR>                   <A HREF="http://cablefaq.org/">Technicians -Unplugged</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/609485"><b>Cleric4</b></A> : Everyone gets some sort of promo from the start, or at least they should.  The promo lasts for "X" amount of time and it ends.  <br><br>What could be more fair than that?<br><br>This is silly but I'm reminded of the movie "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" when Mr. Wonka is giving out Everlasting Gobstoppers (sp?).  Everyone got one and only one.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1245628"><b>fonzbear2000</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  CableTool <A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I said the isp bouncing is the reason for contracts and binding promos and discounts for bundled products as opposed to lower rates for stand alone products.</DIV>here, i have comcast and qwest to bounce back and forth between, NEITHER of which require a contract<br><SMALL>--<br>comcast high speed subscribers: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,15408575">[Newsgroups] use up ur monthly 2gb limit? try this!</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:08:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><b>CableTool</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  motoracer <A HREF="/useremail/u/875047"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  CableTool <A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><br><br>I never said he cause high prices. <br>High prices are a result of a good product. <br> </DIV>I have to disagree with this big time.  High prices are due to a lack of options (can we say monopoly?).<br> </DIV>I guess Mercedes charges too much because they are the only car maker around? Or is it that they are offering a superior car? Or desired car? Its market value. <br><br>Would you expect to pay 19.99 for DSL at 1.5/512 and the same for cable at 6/384?<br>Of course not. <br>In areas where there is competition Comcasts prices are the same as areas without. <br><SMALL>--<br>*&acute;*)<BR><br>&cedil;.&#149;&acute;&cedil;.&#149;*') &cedil;.&#149;*.<BR><br>(&cedil;.&#149;&acute;  (&cedil;.&#149;'<BR><br>                   <A HREF="http://cablefaq.org/">Technicians -Unplugged</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : You are correct.  High prices are the result of being the only show in town.  I'm betting the locations that have other alternatives, e.g. DSL, get more promotions from Comcast.  Where I live, I'm playing Comcast Cable off Verizon FIOS.  I had Verizon FIOS for a year.  I quit FIOS for Comcast because of the great promotions.  When the promotions run out, I'm back with FIOS.  If I lucky, I'll do the promotions again.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:45:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/875047"><b>motoracer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  CableTool <A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I never said he cause high prices. <br>High prices are a result of a good product. <br> </DIV>I have to disagree with this big time.  High prices are due to a lack of options (can we say monopoly?).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><b>CableTool</b></A> : I never said he cause high prices. <br>High prices are a result of a good product. <br><br>I said the isp bouncing is the reason for contracts and binding promos and discounts for bundled products as opposed to lower rates for stand alone products.<br>Bundeling = customer retention and less likley that a customer will bounce from ISP to ISP living off of promos.<br><SMALL>--<br>*&acute;*)<BR>&cedil;.&#149;&acute;&cedil;.&#149;*') &cedil;.&#149;*.<BR>(&cedil;.&#149;&acute;  (&cedil;.&#149;'<BR>                   <A HREF="http://cablefaq.org/">Technicians -Unplugged</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : Fonzbear does not make it worst for others when he takes advantage of the various promotions.  If these promotions were not available, Comcast would continue tp charge you the same price and offer the same level of service.  Why would they lower their price or increase cost by increasing the quality of service?  They are in the business to make a profit and more profit the better.  So, lowering the price for customers because they quit promotions does not make sense.<br><br>Comcast makes money from those who take advantage of its promotions.  Many, if not most, never submit for their rebates. Many, if not most, never switch ISPs after the promotion is over.  Comcast would not be offering these promotions if it was not making a profit.  There is assumtion that the regular customers are subsidizing the promotional customers.  Rather Comcast just makes less profit on the promotional customers in the hope of making even more profit in the  future.  The so-called multiple dipping for rebates has been around for years; multiple dipping of Comcast rebates was originally posted in August 2003 (www.fatwallet.com).  I betting its not worth the cost of monitoring the rebates for Comcast to do anything about.<br><br>So, those of you who feel Fonzbear is the cause of their high Comcast bills should get forget about it.  Rather, I believe Fonzbear keeps our bills lower because customers will leave their service if they price too high.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/621958"><b>AthlGrond</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  CableTool <A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Read my post again, they try to fix churn by implementing contracts and stretch out the promos. That is how they "fix" churn.</DIV>I thought they fixed it by making it a painful installation process, so you will stay a loyal customer because you don't want to go though <I>that</I> again.  ;)<br><SMALL>--<br><I>"When you're an Anvil, hold you still;When you're a Hammer, strike your Fill."</I> -- <A HREF="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin">Benjamin Franklin</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/637748"><b>David</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  CableTool <A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><B>Fonzbear is the reason</B> they invented the term CHURN. <br><br><B>He is also the reason</B> why contracts exist and there are discounts for customers with more then one service. ( or penalty or blackmail fees as other chucklheads have wrongly dubbed them)<br><br><B>He is also the reason</B> why last year most promos that boasted big discounts only discounted the 3rd/6th/9th and 12th month of service. Although not really a contract.. an incentive to stay put for a year..<br><br>SO HERES TO YOU FONZBEAR!!! <IMG SRC="http://cablefaq.org/e107_images/emotes/default/pint.gif"> <br>Working the system and causing it to work eveyone else! HATS OFF!<br> </DIV>Agreed, it just makes it worse for everyone else. <br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  MadMANN <A HREF="/useremail/u/1250575"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I have no problem with any of this.  It's called job security!  ;)<br> </DIV>Agreed here too. <br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  djrobx <A HREF="/useremail/u/162762"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> Fonzbear wasn't the one who came up with the ridiculous idea of actively encouraging churn by giving good deals to "new customers" only.   There are so many ways providers can fix the "churn" and "re-churn" problem if they actually felt it was a problem.  <br><br>1) DO NOT allow "new cusotmer" promotions for customers that have already had them.  We have database technology, it shouldn't be that hard to identify people "gaming the system" so to speak. <br><br>2) How about a better approach.  How about ENCOURAGING LOYAL CUSTOMERS TO STAY by offering the same fair pricing to both new and old customers alike!  Why are "new customers" so much more important than the existing ones, anyway?   <br> </DIV>I think they are starting to realize #1 and starting to do it now. As far as #2, could not say... not in sales.. Thank god!<br><SMALL>--<br>If you have a topic in the direct forum please reply to it or a post of mine, I get a notification when you do this. <br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12602989~mode=flat">Koetting Ford, Granite City, illinois... YOU'RE FIRED!!<br></A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1364591"><b>Alphaotoko9</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  fonzbear2000 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1245628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  b1gdr3 <A HREF="/useremail/u/439334"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>scams like this are the reason Comcast won't lower rates<br> </DIV>it doesn't surprise me to see you complaining about things like this b1gdr3-this is not a scam-it's completely legitimate   <br> </DIV>Dude thats not legitimate at all im almost certin that there has to be a law agenst it. Its playing the system, maby legaly is ok,  but moraly i dont think so.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1364591"><b>Alphaotoko9</b></A> : Yea, "Hold on lemme send back my modem so i can switch and use your modem! Oh, hold on, let me give you my New "new" phone number" God, that would be a hassle every 6 months.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Fobulous <A HREF="/useremail/u/673185"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>This is a good idea and all but it's just too much trouble for a normal person's to deal with. You can however, save some money by doing this every other year or so.. <br> </DIV>Cablevision in New Jersey will not play that game. Cablevision remembers forever if you once had internet from them at a particular address. With Verizon one gets DSL Connect Rate (Down/Up) 3360 KBits/Sec by 864 KBits/Sec for $29.95 with a free modem. One must agree to a one year commitment though.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673185"><b>Fobulous</b></A> : This is a good idea and all but it's just too much trouble for a normal person's to deal with. You can however, save some money by doing this every other year or so.. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><b>CableTool</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  djrobx <A HREF="/useremail/u/162762"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>SO HERES TO YOU FONZBEAR!!!  <br>Working the system and causing it to work eveyone else! HATS OFF!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Fonzbear wasn't the one who came up with the ridiculous idea of actively encouraging churn by giving good deals to "new customers" only.   There are so many ways providers can fix the "churn" and "re-churn" problem if they actually felt it was a problem.  <br><br>1) DO NOT allow "new cusotmer" promotions for customers that have already had them.  We have database technology, it shouldn't be that hard to identify people "gaming the system" so to speak. <br><br>2) How about a better approach.  How about ENCOURAGING LOYAL CUSTOMERS TO STAY by offering the same fair pricing to both new and old customers alike!  Why are "new customers" so much more important than the existing ones, anyway?   <br> </DIV>Your right. They should offer existing customers promos for 26.00 a month for 16 months. That is a BRILLIANT business model!! Way to stay competitive and grow the business. <br><br>They do not allow new customers promos if they have already had them UNLESS a certain amount of time has gone by. <br>So you dont want customers to get a promo more then once but you also want all customers to be able to get promos and discounts, existing or new? Thats a neat trick.<br><br>They encourage customers to stay by offering a good product at a good price. <br>I could say a Lexus is way overpriced but I still want one. Its worth what the public will pay. And if I want one thats the price it is. <br>Read my post again, they try to fix churn by implementing contracts and stretch out the promos. That is how they "fix" churn. <br>But I like your world where there are no promos. There are no introductory rates to try out products or lower your risk. Or the complete opposite suggestion that everyone gets promos. New and old. Nah.. that shouldnt kill the bottom line. <br>NEW customer are more important because if there wasnt NEW customers or ways to get new customers then you wouldnt have a business anymore. <br>( are you serious?)<br><SMALL>--<br>*&acute;*)<BR>&cedil;.&#149;&acute;&cedil;.&#149;*') &cedil;.&#149;*.<BR>(&cedil;.&#149;&acute;  (&cedil;.&#149;'<BR>                   <A HREF="http://cablefaq.org/">Technicians -Unplugged</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : I signed up for their promotions, ordered high speed internet, and submitted for the rebates.<br><br>I don't think taking advantage of these promotions is fraud.  Those who took advantage of the promotion do subscribe to high speed internet, and the individual promotions do not prohibit the multiple rebate-dipping.  There is no deception or trickery involved.  Consequently, no fraud is involved.  <br><br>Is it fraud when a company misprices a product and you purchase it?  You did not trick the company in this case when the seller does not monitor its price.  If an ISP fails to monitor its rebate promotions, then it is not my fault. <br><BLOCKQUOTE><br>fraud (fr&ocirc;d)<br>n.<br><br>1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.<br>2. A piece of trickery; a trick.<br>3.<br>1. One that defrauds; a cheat.<br>2. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.<br></BLOCKQUOTE>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/262517"><b>Daddio1949</b></A> : These promotions entail more than just a few bucks, rather in the hundreds of bucks.  I know I am completing these promotions.  Perhaps, the best place to gain information is at fatwallet, '&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?catid=24&threadid=212660&highlight_key=y&keyword1=comcast" >www.fatwallet.com/forums/message&middot;&middot;&middot;=comcast</A>']]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1245628"><b>fonzbear2000</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  djrobx <A HREF="/useremail/u/162762"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>2) How about a better approach.  How about ENCOURAGING LOYAL CUSTOMERS TO STAY by offering the same fair pricing to both new and old customers alike!  Why are "new customers" so much more important than the existing ones, anyway?</DIV>this is exactly why i started doing this when qwest dsl became available in my area<br><SMALL>--<br>comcast high speed subscribers: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,15408575">[Newsgroups] use up ur monthly 2gb limit? try this!</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1245628"><b>fonzbear2000</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  b1gdr3 <A HREF="/useremail/u/439334"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>scams like this are the reason Comcast won't lower rates<br> </DIV>it doesn't surprise me to see you complaining about things like this b1gdr3-this is not a scam-it's completely legitimate   <br><SMALL>--<br>comcast high speed subscribers: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,15408575">[Newsgroups] use up ur monthly 2gb limit? try this!</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/439334"><b>b1gdr3</b></A> : scams like this are the reason Comcast won't lower rates<br><SMALL>--<br>I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/162762"><b>djrobx</b></A> :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>SO HERES TO YOU FONZBEAR!!!  <br>Working the system and causing it to work eveyone else! HATS OFF!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Fonzbear wasn't the one who came up with the ridiculous idea of actively encouraging churn by giving good deals to "new customers" only.   There are so many ways providers can fix the "churn" and "re-churn" problem if they actually felt it was a problem.  <br><br>1) DO NOT allow "new cusotmer" promotions for customers that have already had them.  We have database technology, it shouldn't be that hard to identify people "gaming the system" so to speak. <br><br>2) How about a better approach.  How about ENCOURAGING LOYAL CUSTOMERS TO STAY by offering the same fair pricing to both new and old customers alike!  Why are "new customers" so much more important than the existing ones, anyway?   <br><SMALL>--<br>Laser eye surgery rocks!  I love frickin' laser beams.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/314530"><b>NormanS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Johkal <A HREF="/useremail/u/720248"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>One question: With all the promos switching back and forth, I guess you don't use the ISP mail. You use something else like Gmail; correct?<br> </DIV>I keep my own domain, now. Easier to control the spam that way. The side benefit is not being tied to an ISP email address.<br><SMALL>--<br>Norman<BR>~Oh Lord, why have you come<BR>~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/380736"><b>scooby</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  wolfendbd <A HREF="/useremail/u/578920"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Most have a fee if you cancel in under one year.  That cost usually makes up the difference of your savings.<br><br>One can threaten to leave though and sometimes they will give up a few months at a lower price.<br> </DIV>Thats why you dont cancel during the contract period. Comcast has no cancellation fee and its supposedly $99 for AT&T now. After 16 months at $26.95 I don't want to pay the $63 and change they charge for HSI w/ no cable. Local franchise finally realized you could get the $9 basic cable and HSI and come out cheaper then HSI w/ no cable and started tacking on all kinds of lame fees.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : I went to www.broadbandoffers.com and had to open my firewall to use the site. After entering my zip code it offered me a a 19.95 a month deal for Comcast. Comcast is not available in my area. Dumb spy site.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:24:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1250575"><b>MadMANN</b></A> : I have no problem with any of this.  It's called job security!  ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/578920"><b>wolfendbd</b></A> : Most have a fee if you cancel in under one year.  That cost usually makes up the difference of your savings.<br><br>One can threaten to leave though and sometimes they will give up a few months at a lower price.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/720248"><b>Johkal</b></A> : I was wondering, because with the Adelphia/Comcast acquisition, I will be changing a lot of registration info. I am considering using my Gmail from now on. <br><SMALL>--<br>Write me up a 125.......I Can't Drive 55   &raquo;<A HREF="http://redrocker.com/" >redrocker.com/</A>  &raquo;<A HREF="http://cabowabo.com/" >cabowabo.com/</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/380736"><b>scooby</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Johkal <A HREF="/useremail/u/720248"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>One question: With all the promos switching back and forth, I guess you don't use the ISP mail. You use something else like Gmail; correct?<br> </DIV>Correct. I've always used my own domain. Lots of cheap places to host a website and email. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/720248"><b>Johkal</b></A> : One question: With all the promos switching back and forth, I guess you don't use the ISP mail. You use something else like Gmail; correct?<br><SMALL>--<br>Write me up a 125.......I Can't Drive 55   &raquo;<A HREF="http://redrocker.com/" >redrocker.com/</A>  &raquo;<A HREF="http://cabowabo.com/" >cabowabo.com/</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:21:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/380736"><b>scooby</b></A> : I've been doing this for years now. My Comcast 16 months of 6mbit/384kbit @ $26.95 expires in a few weeks. Ordered up ATT Elite for $27.99 for a year. A year from now, either SBC will have a good re-rate price or I'm sure Comcast will have another special.<br><br>Nothing wrong with finding the cheapest price for something. Am I committing fraud by refinancing my house at a better rate? Is it fraud to look for a cheaper long distance provider? I think not.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:16:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Morty <A HREF="/useremail/u/1078831"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>It's simple fraud, that's all it is.<br><br>fraud   (fr&ocirc;d)<br>n.<br><br>   1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.<br>   2. A piece of trickery; a trick.<br>   3.<br>         1. One that defrauds; a cheat.<br>         2. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.<br> </DIV>It's not fraud to follow the rules. Most if not all of these promotional offers have conditions attached to them and, providing someone follows them, why not do this if they're so inclined to?<br><br>Someone subscribing to a comcast deal through the likes of broadband offers can pay 19.99 for 6 months..get a free modem plus 100.00 cash back.<br><br>That equates to over 330.00 in savings and/or a free product offer.<br>That's a lot of money and undoubtedly worth peoples time to pursue.<br><br>I signed up for the adelphia equivalent offer when I got adelphia and while it wasn't for that much savings, it was still well worth it.<br>And, for what it's worth, I had no problems with broadbandoffers.com at all and received my rebates within the specified times.<br><SMALL>--<br><I>The life you help save just might be your own<A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/disco"> Team Discovery</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/455626"><b>sortofageek</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  ykronic <A HREF="/useremail/u/1321659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> All I'll say is this topic's been done to death, mods, do we need it started again?<br> </DIV>Apparently people love to talk about it over and over.  Who am I to stop people from talking, as long as they keep a civil keyboard about them.  :)<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="/forum/remark,13801705">  Team Helix May 2006 Roll Call </A> - <A HREF="/forum/folding">Team Helix Forum</A> - <A HREF="/metashare/4c7b76"> My Folding@Home Farm </A> - <A HREF="/faq/2913/">Join Us?</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1107926"><b>CableTool</b></A> : Ive never paid full price.. or any price since cable internet was launched.  :D<br><br><B>Fonzbear is the reason</B> they invented the term CHURN. <br><br><B>He is also the reason</B> why contracts exist and there are discounts for customers with more then one service. ( or penalty or blackmail fees as other chucklheads have wrongly dubbed them)<br><br><B>He is also the reason</B> why last year most promos that boasted big discounts only discounted the 3rd/6th/9th and 12th month of service. Although not really a contract.. an incentive to stay put for a year..<br><br>SO HERES TO YOU FONZBEAR!!! <IMG SRC="http://cablefaq.org/e107_images/emotes/default/pint.gif"> <br>Working the system and causing it to work eveyone else! HATS OFF!<br><SMALL>--<br>*&acute;*)<BR>&cedil;.&#149;&acute;&cedil;.&#149;*') &cedil;.&#149;*.<BR>(&cedil;.&#149;&acute;  (&cedil;.&#149;'<BR>                   <A HREF="http://cablefaq.org/">Technicians -Unplugged</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1078831"><b>Morty</b></A> : It's simple fraud, that's all it is.<br><br>fraud   (fr&ocirc;d)<br>n.<br><br>   1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.<br>   2. A piece of trickery; a trick.<br>   3.<br>         1. One that defrauds; a cheat.<br>         2. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/540167"><b>JoeG4</b></A> : No matter what, I get stuck paying $50-60 a month in the end, so unless it decides to skyrocket past that, I don't bother. <br><br>SBC with 3mbps service cost me $54 a month<br>SBC with 1.5mbps service (originally) cost me $56 per month (IIRC)<br>comcast with "6mbps" service (more like 2.4mbps) costs me $60 a month<br><br>In the end, I stopped bothering with Ma Bell because the 1 year contracts got on my nerves (if they don't want to lose me as a customer they should focus on treating me like a customer, not like a criminal that's going to walk off after 6 months with a free modem). <br><br>Actually, I'm kinda fed up with SBC and their contract menalitty! WTF man it's 2006 not 1999, it doesn't cost $200 to bring up a DSL circuit anymore, and I have more than 1 DSL modem laying aronud that still works fine, I'm sure a bunch of other people do too by now, so why is SBC still acting as if nobody's ever gotten a modem and giving you the privilege to have one if you commit to a year? <br><br>That and their new privacy policy stinks, I'd rather pay for my overpriced 2.4mbps service ;) ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1367727"><b>rhfilipino</b></A> : while it is nice to save money, even if you're not hurting for cash, the particular company behind broadbandoffers.com is horrible at fulfilling their rebates.  they've already had their BBB membership revoked.  caveat emptor.<br><br>personally i'd sign up through Dell to get a similar deal.  at least Dell is somewhat more trustworthy...<br><br>on a side note, i keep seeing a lot of people crapping on "deal" posts, because it's somehow wrong to save money.  honestly, i don't get it: wouldn't <I>you</I> like to save a bit of money on a service you pay for monthly?  personally, while i can afford comcast's rates, i'd rather like to see comcast (and other broadband providers) bring their rates in line with offerings in other countries, where internet is fast and cheap.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1131062"><b>Wayne99021</b></A> : Personally I think that is way too much trouble and takes too much time juggling back and forth just to save a few bucks.<br>If a person is hurting that much for cash, they should go back to dialup.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446561"><b>spewak</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  ykronic <A HREF="/useremail/u/1321659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>This has been posted over and over and over again to death. <B>I'm not even going to bother to voice my opinion on the subject.</B> All I'll say is this topic's been done to death, mods, do we need it started again?<br> </DIV>Then why did you?<br><SMALL>--<br>The weekend is here, grab a can of beer!</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1245628"><b>fonzbear2000</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  ykronic <A HREF="/useremail/u/1321659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>This has been posted over and over and over again to death. I'm not even going to bother to voice my opinion on the subject. All I'll say is this topic's been done to death, mods, do we need it started again?<br> </DIV>i've never seen it done-it's also nice to repost once in a while so new people to this site can see it<br><SMALL>--<br>comcast high speed subscribers: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,15408575">[Newsgroups] use up ur monthly 2gb limit? try this!</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:34:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!!</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1321659"><b>ykronic</b></A> : This has been posted over and over and over again to death. I'm not even going to bother to voice my opinion on the subject. All I'll say is this topic's been done to death, mods, do we need it started again?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:41:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>never pay full price for high speed again!!!</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1245628"><b>fonzbear2000</b></A> : this only works if you have the choice of more than one high speed isp with promotional offers in your area-get comcast with a promotional offer through www.broadbandoffers.com , best buy or circuit city-they usually have something like 6 months at $30/month, free cable modem and $100 cash back-once the promotional offer runs out, switch over to the other high speed isp available in your area and get their promotional offer-once that runs out switch back to comcast-keep switching back and forth when offers run out and never pay full price for high speed again! :D<br><SMALL>--<br>comcast high speed subscribers: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,15408575">[Newsgroups] use up ur monthly 2gb limit? try this!</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:39:15 EDT</pubDate>
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