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ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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Fios, the cure.

Problems that wouldnt exist if this was Verizon territory.


ieolus
Support The Clecs

join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA

Would these two be able to sue Verizon and stop them from rolling out FIOS if they lived in Verizon-land?
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ITALIAN926

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I dont think so, Verizon already has their lines in place. Nobody can stop them from upgrading them. I think anyway.



ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA

said by ITALIAN926:

I dont think so, Verizon already has their lines in place. Nobody can stop them from upgrading them. I think anyway.
Verizon doesn't have full fiber anywhere. So yes, they could technically be stopped.
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ITALIAN926

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They have their wires run everywhere already. How could somebody stop them from replacing or upgrading their existing network? Hmmm they already have right of way.



ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA

said by ITALIAN926:

They have their wires run everywhere already. How could somebody stop them from replacing or upgrading their existing network? Hmmm
If the local authorities to not grant them the right, they cannot upgrade. When cables are upgraded that must go through planning and, in some areas, permitting stages just like you building a house.
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BVT

join:2004-10-25
Mount Juliet, TN

I believe above ground cable can be upgraded at will so long as they do not restrict access to public right of ways. Underground cables, placing boxes and such are a different story.



ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA

said by BVT:

I believe above ground cable can be upgraded at will so long as they do not restrict access to public right of ways. Underground cables, placing boxes and such are a different story.
And you may be right..
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decin2002
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join:2005-11-09
Nashua, NH

The operator that owns the plant can upgrade whatever they want. It falls under a maintenance category, as long as they do not deviate from the existing path, or create a new path.



ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA

Thanks for the info... I guess that also falls along the lines as if they do not have to install any extra equipment or boxes on the poles. As in the case of FIOS, happens quite often.
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decin2002
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join:2005-11-09
Nashua, NH

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The operator can also add whatever they want on the poles, as long as it is in their "space". Telephone has so many feet of vertical space on the poles, as does cable tv.

I do consulting work for wireless operators, and had to deal with Verizon in Massachusetts when AT&T Wireless wanted to install a DAS (Distributed Antenna System) network in wealthy town that would not allow any new towers. A DAS is basically a fiber optic extension of an existing cell site antenna sector. It uses a pole mounted box, connected by fiber back to a cell site, with an antenna on the pole. Good for filling in holes in bad coverage areas.

Anyway, all negotiations were with Verizon, not the municipality. They own the pole in either a leased or granted right-of-way from the municipality.


Kearnstd
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ

reply to ITALIAN926
allways wondered who does own the poles, is it variable by area?

they are called "Telephone Poles" yet are installed/replaced by the power company(atleast in my area).
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sweintz
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join:2002-03-01
Chester, CT

said by Kearnstd:

allways wondered who does own the poles, is it variable by area?

they are called "Telephone Poles" yet are installed/replaced by the power company(atleast in my area).
Varies by locality. I have even seen some places where the telco and power company own every other pole in an interlaced fashion: telco, power co, telco, power co, telco, power co, etc.

patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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reply to ropeguru
But they cant be since the law cant say what "type" of telecommunication facilities an technologies VZ chooses. Many politicians have complained about eye sore FDTs, nothing came of it. Its VZ's ROW and VZ perogative to do whatever it wants with it. Which services is provides with its ROW....... Thats upto the courts. Cable Cos have tried to stop Fios, but they can oonly stop the video portion, since that is regulated, but the plant isnt.


decin2002
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join:2005-11-09
Nashua, NH

reply to decin2002
My bad, the poles were owned by the electric utility, which was NSTAR in this case, and not Verizon, but the same rules apply for ugrades and maintenance. If Verizon were adding new and not removing anything, then a permit/zoning situation might arise.


decin2002
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join:2005-11-09
Nashua, NH

reply to Kearnstd
You are right. See my correction above. In most cases, it is the electric utility that owns the poles.


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