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Re: Do these people even exist? The problem is when such votes to force the four to pay for a project they have not consented to is akin to two wolves and a lamb on a deserted island voting what going to be for dinner.
I would love to see a system where a no vote can be recoded where the the person can opt-out of the project.In fact here is a better system. In stead of the majority having the right to infringe on the right if the minority, better known as dictatorship of the 51%. Each citizen of the parrish is giving a covenant contract where the person is given two choices. To support the project and willing to be liable for the tax or opt out an not be liable for the tax and will be prohibited in use of the project. |
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TheGhostPremium
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1 edit | The same logic would apply to referendum for hiring additional police, fire department, etc. Would this mean that if someone voted against a proposal, they would loose all fire department and police support?
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I had another thought, what would happen if one person in a household voted for and another voted against? What would happen then - the FD only has to save 1/2 the house, or the police only have to investigate 1/2 of a robbery? |
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BVT
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Mount Juliet, TN | reply to richardpor
You gotta be kidding. When I pay my taxes, I dont get to say how they are spent. If I did, you could be sure a lot of shit would change.
What do you think a democracy is? Majority rules. |
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Lake Forest, IL | reply to richardpor
On that note, what about Schools and Libraries? Would it apply to the household? What happens with sales of homes, would the new homeowner get to choose which to support when they move in? Roads and sewers could be the same? |
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no, the vote of the majority is not a dictatorship, it is a democracy. Damn kid, you need to take high school civics. A dictatorship is ONE person inflicting his will on the citizens. See Castro and Kim Jong Il for examples.
If you could simply opt out of anything you didn't agree with nothing would ever get accomplished and you'd have anarchy. No one wants to pay for road maintenance, but you think those people will refrain from driving on roads?
Plus, they are probably using some public service that others pay taxes and dont use, so it all works out. This lawsuit is all about stall tactics and underhanded manipulation of the political system. I would not doubt if one of these two people work for the incumbants.
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Taxes are not used to pay for this sort of thing so it is a moot point. |
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said by richardpor:The problem is when such votes to force the four to pay for a project they have not consented to is akin to two wolves and a lamb on a deserted island voting what going to be for dinner. I would love to see a system where a no vote can be recoded where the the person can opt-out of the project.In fact here is a better system. In stead of the majority having the right to infringe on the right if the minority, better known as dictatorship of the 51%. Each citizen of the parrish is giving a covenant contract where the person is given two choices. To support the project and willing to be liable for the tax or opt out an not be liable for the tax and will be prohibited in use of the project. Hell, in that case, I want to opt out of paying income taxes!  There are a lot of things I don't like paying for, but most of the time, it is for the public good, so I grudgingly accept it.
In Lafayette's example, the public has spoken. End of story, throw out the lawsuits. |
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New Milford, CT | reply to richardpor
said by richardpor:The problem is when such votes to force the four to pay for a project they have not consented to is akin to two wolves and a lamb on a deserted island voting what going to be for dinner. I would love to see a system where a no vote can be recoded where the the person can opt-out of the project.In fact here is a better system. In stead of the majority having the right to infringe on the right if the minority, better known as dictatorship of the 51%. Each citizen of the parrish is giving a covenant contract where the person is given two choices. To support the project and willing to be liable for the tax or opt out an not be liable for the tax and will be prohibited in use of the project. I would love to see this kind of government operate in America. Unfortunately, 'big government' would not be able to stay as huge and wasteful as it is now, although my property taxes would probably decrease by 96%.
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New Milford, CT | reply to BVT
said by BVT:You gotta be kidding. When I pay my taxes, I dont get to say how they are spent. If I did, you could be sure a lot of shit would change. What do you think a democracy is? Majority rules. When you consider the scientific fact that "50% of people are below average intelligence", that is truly a scary fact that the majority rules. |
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said by inteller:no, the vote of the majority is not a dictatorship, it is a democracy. Damn kid, you need to take high school civics. A dictatorship is ONE person inflicting his will on the citizens. See Castro and Kim Jong Il for examples. If you could simply opt out of anything you didn't agree with nothing would ever get accomplished and you'd have anarchy. No one wants to pay for road maintenance, but you think those people will refrain from driving on roads? Plus, they are probably using some public service that others pay taxes and dont use, so it all works out. This lawsuit is all about stall tactics and underhanded manipulation of the political system. I would not doubt if one of these two people work for the incumbants. I think my schooling is fine, I was exposed to the idea in the writings of by Francis Shafer a philosopher and theologian to describe a particular problem with direct democracy where the majority can uses the vote to the point of infringing the rights of the minority.
A good example my father in the deep south was forced to sit in the back of the bus or give up his seat for a White person because a majority of voters think Jim Crow laws are good.
In the same way a few activist and statist feel ok and justify misusing the power of the vote to steal the just resources of the minority.
With this I need to ask what right do you have to force me to provide any of my own resources because you like schools, public fiber networks and libraries. Why form a co-op and get the consent of those who wish to contribute instead of resorting to voting pallor "voting' tricks because you know there are people like me who have no qualms to tell you hell no and get off my property besides that it not in the liberal blood to ask for voluntary donations, it only to oppress. |
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Lake Forest, IL | reply to Shark_615
said by Shark_615:Taxes are not used to pay for this sort of thing so it is a moot point. Again, how is this different than using taxes to pay for a specific road, municipal building, library, etc. What about using muni funds to pay for sewers.
The argument may be that "commercial interests" are already providing the service, but an analogy could be:
Private utility is willing to provide you with 30Amp/120V electric service, but that is all, and they would charge an arm and a leg. The private utility will also decide to get increases every year, say 40Amp, but rates will go up to include 1st born child (no child, no increase).
Conversely, a muni would come in and provide 100Amp/240V service - say hello to electric stove, oven, air conditioning, etc.
There are some that will argue high-speed is not a necessity, but those same arguments were made about water, sewer, electricity, phone..... |
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Miami, FL | reply to richardpor
In democracy everything always goes to the majority and the minority is left behind to follow. That's how the ball rolls and does not require a civics class to understand that.
People who voted for example Bush where the majority, the minority where the others who voted for Al Gore, or that other guy I can't simply remember his name right now; where the minority.
When it comes to finances dealing with state, county, government etc everyone will do things for there own benefit. While someone might want the money to fix roads the other guy thinks it would be better to build a fiber network. Who ever is the majority get's what they want.
That in return is what I think about democracy or what I have come to mind when thinking about it. |
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BVT
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Mount Juliet, TN | reply to 91439306
I agree 110% |
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