[Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service in Rogers

said by Eldorados

said by Daphoid

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This is a power users package that comes with an average users download cap.

Your simply paying more to get to the same finish line as everyone else, just faster. One would think that the more you pay, the longer you get to play... (Express vs Extreme)

For 2x the price, this should be 150-200gig min cap (or no cap at all)

That would be logical thinking and logic+Rogers just don't go together.

Anyway, not gonna be hopping on the 18 MB bandwagon (OBVIOUSLY!!!). Did end up paying the extra $5/mo though to stay with the 6 MB speeds, but that's pretty much my limit on price hikes (off to 3Web or Sympatico if Rogers thinks they can get anymore money out of me).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16896363 Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:01:28 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16896171 Eldorados :

said by Daphoid

:

A little pricey for my blood I think, but still not to shabby.

As for the cap though, I don't see an issue with it really, you must remember that most of the people here complaining are probably bit-torrenting everything under the sun, including stuff that's *cough* not overly legal *cough*, and thus - why should Rogers cater to you?

I'm not saying I don't use bit-torrent, but I've had no issues staying under 100GB (averaging 50-70) and even with that much bandwidth I still get to download a few music albums, some TV shows, etc.

I've found the trick is to limit my seeding to 1.5:1, I'm still helping out everyone else, but not letting it go all night long and eating my bandwidth. I've also trimmed the download to 250K/second max as to not eat my connection for regular web stuff/gaming.

Basically I've found if you take your head out of your ass, it's not really that bad at all. It could be better sure, but it's not hell.

My 0.02

- D

Plase keep the illegal/legal quips out of this, it's no one's business what someone else is downloads.. that's for them and the ISP to worry about

The problem with this package and the cap that comes with it is that only those 'heavy users' would buy this package, who in their right mind would pay $100/month for that kind of speed and only casually use it? Would you buy it just so that you don't have to limit yourself to 250K anymore? Probably not... that's alot of money to spend for someone who would not take full advantage of it

This is a power users package that comes with an average users download cap.

Your simply paying more to get to the same finish line as everyone else, just faster. One would think that the more you pay, the longer you get to play... (Express vs Extreme)

For 2x the price, this should be 150-200gig min cap (or no cap at all)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16896171 Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:22:47 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16886637 anon : ^^Well that's great that you don't really use BT and you still do 50-70GB a month, but what would happen if you also wanted to stream tv content from your homeland an hour a day too? Maybe live in a house with 3 other roomates? Regular back-ups offsite?

There's plenty of reasons why caps should be increased, especially with this new service tier. As for this new $1.25 surcharge per every GB over; do they have any intention of informing us at all??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16886637 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:22:01 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16886615 Daphoid : A little pricey for my blood I think, but still not to shabby.

As for the cap though, I don't see an issue with it really, you must remember that most of the people here complaining are probably bit-torrenting everything under the sun, including stuff that's *cough* not overly legal *cough*, and thus - why should Rogers cater to you?

I'm not saying I don't use bit-torrent, but I've had no issues staying under 100GB (averaging 50-70) and even with that much bandwidth I still get to download a few music albums, some TV shows, etc.

I've found the trick is to limit my seeding to 1.5:1, I'm still helping out everyone else, but not letting it go all night long and eating my bandwidth. I've also trimmed the download to 250K/second max as to not eat my connection for regular web stuff/gaming.

Basically I've found if you take your head out of your ass, it's not really that bad at all. It could be better sure, but it's not hell.

My 0.02

- D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16886615 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:11:31 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16886257 anon : $100/month is kinda :(0

Verizon FiOS offers 15 Mbps/2 Mbps for $44.95 in NY.

Solearius]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16886257 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:56:39 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16836001 Xtife : i didnt read this whole topic

but let me just say i almost near died from a stroke when i saw the first post

no words can discribe... im speechless
the internet in canada has gone to hell

iv always thought of us as a third world country when it comes to the internet. other countrys have 30-50mb downloads and god noes what the upload is like. and its as cheap, if not cheaper than extreme

its nice to see that we are getting close, but this is just brain-dead as it stands now

my 2 cents...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16836001 Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:34:49 EDT Re: HK http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16747137 Angelo_ : it is also offered here... just costs alot more then 200]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16747137 Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:54:21 EDT Re: HK http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16746130 Snickerdo :

said by Jimmy Ha :

»www.convergedigest.com/Bandwidth···ID=14545
I say we all move to hong kong, symmetric 1gbps 215 us dollars a month. ( o_0 )

Guess what? My connection is 1Gbit/s too! That is, until I pass the switch, where it drops down to a 10Mbit/s connection, and is even further limited by how fast the server I'm connecting to runs.
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Yes, I CanChat. Can You? www.fiberal.ca]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16746130 Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:29:18 EDT HK http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16745982 anon : »www.convergedigest.com/Bandwidth···ID=14545

I say we all move to hong kong, symmetric 1gbps 215 us dollars a month. ( o_0 )]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16745982 Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:01:40 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16733009 GI Suck : Competitively priced?

With who???

Oh, I forgot, Sympatico! Except their service doesn't have QoS technologies or data consumption cap!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16733009 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:42:41 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16732709 sbrook : I didn't quite understand that ... bear in mind that perhaps English isn't her first language and that she is using idiom inappropriately.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16732709 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:57:05 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16732461 jackr : I'm confused by "that you wouldn't have kowtow the speed". Is she altered, or does she write kowtow randomly just to see if you're actually reading the replies?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16732461 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:18:31 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16732286 sbrook :

Thank you for your email regarding the rate increase for our Extreme service.

When we launched this service on May 2005, it was an 5Mb/800kbps service and was priced at $44.95. In March of 2005, we offered a second version of Extreme priced at $46.95.This was for a higher speed and usage - although I do note that the usage is not of interest to you.

For those customers who chose to remain on the original service, we increased the speed and usage limit on August 1, so both services matched. We also aligned the pricing. I do appreciate that you wouldn't have kowtow the speed increase at the time you wrote your email.

..., we believe that in the markets we serve, we are indeed competitively priced. As an example, our service includes the full suite of security services .

I hope this provides you with an explanation of our reasons for aligning prices.

Thank you

Taanta gupta

In other words, we're gonna charge you for for Norton etc. even though you don't necessarily want it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16732286 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:46:03 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16730695 bellyman : Ironic that Enron never was able to roll out the "selling bandwidth" plan. Only $1.25 per GB after 100? What a steal!!

LOL!

OT: If you have the Wonderful World of Ted's Most Excellent Compressed Digital Cable - and have the TMN pack - they are showing Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room. A funny part near the end is Skilling's comment on trading weather futures.

(Of course I already saw the movie months ago - got it from the Toronto Public Library no less)

I will always feel sorry for the PG&E guys who had their retirement stocks automatically flipped to Enron stock and were never able to sell any near the end and lost their retirement fund savings. (always risk v. reward but how many employees at PG&E would even trade their stocks?)

Always read & love your stuff sbrook...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16730695 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:58:51 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16730039 travisc : They won't go to DOCSIS 2, GI Suck. I'd lay money they go right to DOCSIS 3. That being said, when you have to run a business, it's hard to justify being so far ahead of the curve and investing billions in giving fibre to everyone. You might like it, but it would ruin the company because there aren't enough subscribers out there willing to pay the cost in the short to medium term. It may cost more in the long run to make the step to DOCSIS 3, then switched video, M-CMTS etc., but it makes a lot more financial sense looking out in the next couple years at a time to do it that way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16730039 Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:43:27 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16729282 anon : They don't have to do it all at once. They could roll it out gradually. They could start with fibre in the most densely populated areas first, and then move outwards.

Then, our connections would be regular instead of being constipated.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16729282 Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:42:10 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16729087 GI Suck : It would be a smart move on Rogers part.

Fiber offers a TON more bandwidth than coax can ever do. Not to mention, how many times are you going to put down money for upgrades to make technology current for the bandwidth required when you can have something laid down and only use a small percent of it today.

Since this is an internet forum, here is an example:

You pay to get proprietary internet laid
You pay to get DOCSIS 1.1
You will soon be paying to get DOCSIS 2
There are plans to get DOCSIS 3
etc.

see the picture?

How much money are you going to invest for technology that might only last you 5-10 years? Is 5-10 years giving you enough value that it pays off the upgrade and then you earn from it too?

Get something laid that will last you into the future.

FIBER! It keeps you regular too! ;)
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"... and will be made available in Q4, 2006."

I doubt anyone can tell you more than that.

-Darryl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16728516 Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:53:25 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16728479 anon : So when can I order the 18 Mb service? Anyone know when it will be available?

Thanks..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16728479 Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:49:19 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16728389 sbrook : If cable co's offer fibre to the home and telcos offer fibre to the home, and the telcos offer video and cable offers phone, what's the difference between them? As soon as they both lay fibre then convergence will happen and the telcos will swallow cable or cable will swallow telco and for those complaining about lack of competition now ... well, there won't be any competition then!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16728389 Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:37:08 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16728100 GI Suck : Man, I love it when things run full circle!

»Should Cable Just Run Fiber to the Home?

Who said that earlier in this post? That's right, me! :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16728100 Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:56:08 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16722993 travisc : Yes, that's very true. They're really a wireless company with cable and media assets, not the other way around. That being said, their cable division continues to show improving results.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16722993 Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:38:46 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16718394 sbrook : Point taken. That said, it's clear that they make a LOT more money on wireless than on cable based services. Look at the cost of cell phone LD, look at the system access fees etc!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16718394 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:00:14 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16718192 GI Suck :

said by sbrook

:

The issue is the revenues and profits, not the number of additional subscribers. Wireless has a huge number of activations in an area that's making lots of money. They aren't making much in giveaways either to get those subscribers. For Cable and Cable phones, they're giving away some costs to get those subs. The pudding is not yet cooked.

sbrook, I think you also forget that wireless are giveaways in its own rights in terms of new subscribers. They are giving away free phones to people (once you commit to a contract, but still free in any sense.) If its not free, then its heavily discounted.

I don't see the difference in your logic. Like you said, the pudding is not yet cooked.
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[Internet] Rogers Yahoo! Extreme 5mbps/800kbps [Modem] Scientific Atlanta WebSTAR DPX2100 DOCSIS 2.0 [Router] WRT54g DD-WRT #23 SP1 [Computer] P4 2.53GHz 2048MB RAM BFG GeForce 6800 GT OC Sound Blaster Audigy 160GB RAID 0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16718192 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:24:37 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16717599 anon : As an example, in 2005, the "Cable" division ended up losing $76.4 million (mainly due to interest on long term debt -- before interest, it made $193 million profit) and the "Telecom" division lost $45.8 million. It's the wireless division that offsets these losses and makes the real money for the company ($418 million profit).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16717599 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:56:30 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16717558 sbrook : The issue is the revenues and profits, not the number of additional subscribers. Wireless has a huge number of activations in an area that's making lots of money. They aren't making much in giveaways either to get those subscribers. For Cable and Cable phones, they're giving away some costs to get those subs. The pudding is not yet cooked.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16717558 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:50:52 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16717295 travisc :

said by sbrook

:

Yeah, note the wireless activations ... that's where Rogers profits have been coming from. So eliminate call-net and wireless, and that leaves cable and internet and cable phone not doing so well

68,000 cable phone adds isn't good? 38,900 cable adds when they usually lose isn't good? By what standard are you saying "not doing so well"?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16717295 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:02:12 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16716287 Dustyn :

said by clementlo

:

Got a lot of talks that Extreme is going to be 10 Mbps, is this fact or just "wishful thinking"?

By the way, I know many Wireless Router out there (well at less my Linksys) had a 10 Mbps WAN port. So to get this is 18 Mbps servers we need to change our router? Is there any router out there had a 100 Mbps WAN port?

I hope for my sake and for everyone elses that what you have heard about the Extreme plan come true.
»Shaw Confirms 10Mbps Extreme-I
Most if not all routers now have 10/100 Mbps WAN ports.
You'd be hard pressed to find a new router that ONLY offers a 10Mbps WAN port.
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»/forum/wall]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16716287 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:33:20 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16715988 sbrook : Yeah, note the wireless activations ... that's where Rogers profits have been coming from. So eliminate call-net and wireless, and that leaves cable and internet and cable phone not doing so well]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16715988 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:10:49 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16715635 idlewillkill : Part of the terms and conditions of Videotron's Extreme Tier

"Unlimited connection time. Additional charges will be billed for monthly use of bandwidth in excess of 10 GB upload or 20 GB download"

»www.videotron.com/services/en/in···plus.jsp

Edit: Make that he Extreme Plus tier, though I can't see the Extreme tier having a greater allowance.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16715635 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:00:58 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16715619 clementlo : Got a lot of talks that Extreme is going to be 10 Mbps, is this fact or just "wishful thinking"?

By the way, I know many Wireless Router out there (well at less my Linksys) had a 10 Mbps WAN port. So to get this is 18 Mbps servers we need to change our router? Is there any router out there had a 100 Mbps WAN port?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16715619 Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:58:51 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16715348 Stymer : Well searching around for something else, I came across this page.... »www.angustel.ca/update/up540.html

but in short this is what It reads.. Dated August 4-2006
ROGERS PROFITS CLIMB: Rogers Communications had second quarter operating revenues of $2.24 billion, an increase of 29% over a year ago, or 15% if the effects of the Call-Net purchase are disregarded. Net income was $277.5 million, compared to $14.9 million the previous quarter and $19.2 million in the second quarter of last year.

*

Subscriber net activations: cable connections: +38,900; cable phone: +68,000; Internet: +21,600; wireless: +130,000.

also there are links 2 the topic on other ISP's internet speed increases, which was Bell and Videotron. But their top speed Videotron, are priced lower then Rogers, and Videotrons Extreme Plus 20/1(79.99)and Extreme 10/900(64.95) are both Unlimited Upload/download.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16715348 Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:20:03 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16707739 sbrook : Going back to Rogers reasons for increases etc and why they need to be competetive with other Cable operators across Canada ...

Go look at Dominion Bond Rating Servics and do a search on Rogers. There are a few articles that do not require registration.

Note that they have paid off a lot of their debt, so now their ratings are improving from Junk. BUT DBRS is still concerned about Rogers Cable and its revenues.

Note that DBRS uses other like corporations to help in making business comparisons and setting debt ratings. So, if Rogers prices are competetively out of line, then it impacts the ratings.

Similarly for investors ... if you look at the glossy Rogers sends out (and the press releases) they all sound good, but the reality is that you really have to look at the audit sheets to know how the divisions are performing individually. If a company outprices similar companies across the land, investors will wonder what the company is up to that makes them differ. These are things that add questions to stock values.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16707739 Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:53:34 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16706841 BillyGee : By the way, a post in the Bell forum linked to a recent interview with Kevin Crull, President of Residential Services for Bell Canada. It has some interesting tidbits on what at least Bell perceives as the "heavy user segment", that is so often debated on this forum:

"It used to be that the real heavy users were 2 percent of our subscriber base, but now we would consider heavy users to be 30-35 percent of our subscriber base."

I guess we can drop the 5% or less crap for Rogers as well. I severely doubt their user base would be much different.

FYI, »www.telecommagazine.com/newsglob···=AR_2294]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16706841 Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:44:55 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16696833 saltydogbran :

said by Hyper6

:

This is life there shouldnt be a cap inthe first place.

Hyper, that's actually business. Rogers, as a company, found a way to increase their margins by using technology - ie. caps. That's capitalism, and like it or not, it makes perfect sense.

However, it still sucks for you and me on dslreports, who use way more bandwidth than that. But, also in capitalism, you can have competitors who offer the same service only different or unique in some way, thus capturing part of the market as well - ie. 'unlimited' providers.

Now, if only the industry was a little less like an oligopoly...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16696833 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:24:06 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16696755 Hyper6 : But sbrook i think 30 cents a gb sound sgood but about 99 % of users probally use 2-10 GB's. They know that this dumb you allways have a few clinets that are less profitable.

Same deal with cell phone companies. They say unlimited calling after 6 pm or whatever. So they know that most people migh tuse it a bit but there is always going to be a few users that are going to talk all the time and they might just break even or lose a bit on those customers.

This dumb so they lose or break even on 1 % of customers but they make pure profit of 99 % of their users.

It is like a buffet, you say 10 $. So they know most people are going to eat a reasonable amount of food and the are going to make money. But they know there is going to be a few people that are going to eat alot and they might lose a bit or just break even on these people.

This is life there shouldnt be a cap inthe first place.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16696755 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:02:16 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16696075 anon : Well, I might as well pipe in.

Last week, they bumped me up to the 6 mps service. I guess I saw faster speeds because up until recently, I was seeing mostly 2.5-3.5 mps with my 5 mps Extreme service. (Am in Thornhill).

Decided to downgrade to Express. I am happy with 5mps at home. Not as thrilled with the upload speed, but I don't send large files all that often and I can let them run in the background anyway.

But I guess, rather than pay the $7.00 more, I decide to go for the $1.00 less (or as they put it in their letter, save $8.00 over the new price of Extreme.) But what I liked is they are giving Express at a discount for 6 months, (with one year contract) so I can handle that.

They're cute in that they say this is the first price increase for Extreme, but they don't say anything about removing services.

But wow! They already cut my service down. Same afternoon. I've never known Rogers to follow-up so quickly! Guess their customer service is getting better! LOL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16696075 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:54:05 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16695731 askywalker :

said by Jean Poutine :

I can see the logic behind bandwidth being costly if it's the result of say trans-atlantic traffic, but if it's within Canada or even just to the US, I don't see the big deal. So, if you're dling a lot of stuff from a newsgroup server, for example, it would stand to reason that it wouldn't be as bad because the newsgroup server that all the files are on would be within Canada or the US, and therefore, it would be relatively local.

I remember when Rogers dropped their NNTP server a lot of people were arguing that their costs would rise significantly since all the NNTP traffic would start going over the Internet.

I seriously doubt Rogers cares enough about their customers to offer sophisticated traffic shaping. Likely Internet traffic gets switched out, local traffic bounces around their network. A better (and bigger) ISP (and a bigger monthly cost) can get you access to faster global switching, where your packets stay on the managed network and hop off at potentially better exit points.

AS]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16695731 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:43:23 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16693942 anon : I can see the logic behind bandwidth being costly if it's the result of say trans-atlantic traffic, but if it's within Canada or even just to the US, I don't see the big deal. So, if you're dling a lot of stuff from a newsgroup server, for example, it would stand to reason that it wouldn't be as bad because the newsgroup server that all the files are on would be within Canada or the US, and therefore, it would be relatively local.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16693942 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:39:36 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16692848 sbrook : Bandwidth IS $$$, but the speed isn't.

So, do the basic arithmetic.

Assuming we charge "average users" about 30c per GB Because user averaging brings down total GB consumed, the actual cost is really more than that. Now, Extreme and Elite users are far more likely to use more of their allowed bandwidth on average so to make them pay for more of their share, their cost for bandwidth should be marginally higher ...

For Express

Cost ($45) = 60GB (say $20) + $25 (support and infrastructure)

For Extreme

Cost ($52) = 100 GB (say $37) + $25 (support etc)

For Elite (let's say the price was $80 per month)

Cost ($80) = 150 GB (say $54) + $25 (support etc)

Which says that at the proposed price and allocated bandwidth for Elite, Rogers would be screwing its customers. Using Express as a base, Rogers new price for Extreme is probably about right.

And btw Angelo, if you've been reading, you'll know that I do believe Rogers makes a habit of ripping off its customers, but not necessarily in terms of $ and cents. It's usually in terms of support and services. But, definitely for Elite as described to us, it would be a financial ripoff.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16692848 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:31:10 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16692767 Angelo_ : sbrook i thought you were the one who says bandwidth is $$$ and this is teh rates rogers can sell it at??? are you actually figuring it out that they are screwing its clients]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16692767 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:09:17 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16690777 koolin : regardless of the price and cap for the elite service, i am not too interested in 18mbps. I just don't have the need or want for that right now. If I had to share a connection between a couple of people I might be interested in it, but still would not be happy with the ratio of download to upload speed, I'd like to at least see them keep the ratio that extreme currently has so like 18/3 for elite would go a long way. I would be interested in 10 or 12mbps though so bring on the extreme upgrade please rogers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16690777 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:13:50 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16690642 sbrook : Indeed true Arthur

The bottom line is that there are the following choices ...

1) Refuse to upgrade to Elite because it's a) too expensive, b) too low a cap or c) both

2) Refuse to upgrade because they don't believe Rogers can deliver that speed with any reliability (after all why pay all that money if you can't get that speed reliably?)

3) Refuse to upgrade because Extreme at say 10 Mbps would be a better deal especially after this $5-$7 price increase.

5) Will upgrade anyway because they want the speed.

Personally, I would encourage no-one to take step 5 because there's no way this service should cost much more than $75 per month, and it should have at least a 150GB cap. (Given that Express is 60, Extreme is 100)

Remember that when push comes to shove, if Rogers has the equipment in place it costs little more to deliver 100GB to you at 5,6,10,18 Mbps!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16690642 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:50:41 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16690528 anon : After it is all said and done, half the people complaining here will still pay the difference for 18Mbit. Those in production are still curious as to when rogers will start doing testing for it as we have only been running tests for 16Mbit configurations for the past year.

Knowing what I have experienced, I would not pay for this new tier until a few technical issues are ironed out. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16690528 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:28:17 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16689403 sbrook : Actually running fibre through Tokyo is easier because as in many Asian cities, suspended cable runs as opposed to buried runs are quite normal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16689403 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:48:23 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16689325 GI Suck : As far as I'm concerned, this company is already bankrupt, so it wouldn't really make a difference.

The profit comes in later for all the stuff you can do with Fiber.

IPTV
VoIP
Data]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16689325 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:34:42 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16689049 askywalker :

said by travisc

:

Having high density can in fact make some things more challenging when it comes to a build like that - laying mass amounts of fibre to the home in downtown Toronto would be a nightmare.

Yet it has been done so successfully elsewhere...

I gotta admit - it sounds tough - so us Canadians run away. Where is that good old 'build a railroad' chutzpah? If they can lay fiber through Tokyo, and even in the mountains of Niigata, I bet they could figure out a way to wire the 'tiny' fraction of heavily populated land in Canada. Just that there needs to be some leadership and vision at the top (Sir John A help!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16689049 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:49:05 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16688904 travisc : Having high density can in fact make some things more challenging when it comes to a build like that - laying mass amounts of fibre to the home in downtown Toronto would be a nightmare. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16688904 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:20:54 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16688573 Newfie : Population density isn't all that matters, it's way cheaper out here in the Maratimes then it is once you past the NB Border.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16688573 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:23:41 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16688553 travisc : Thankfully, it's not you, because the company doing it would have gone bankrupt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16688553 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:19:20 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16688542 GI Suck : If it were me, a good chunk of southern ontario and the ottawa areas would have FTTH!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16688542 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:16:41 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16688172 Hyper6 : Well said sbrook. It isnt really fair to compare a place in europe like france to us. The country is so populated for such a small amount of land. I htink alot of people are on 24/1 ADSL2+ there. SO more fibre layed makes way more sense and cheaper prices make more sense.

But The US cities are very comaprible to our citites.

You would think in Onatrio we would have cheaper prices because the population is way more dense than alberta where it probally costs more to deliver service because the population is much more sparseley spread outyo. Southern Ontario should be cheaper nto more expensive. So many more resources and the area is very densley populated.

But with Oil you ca atleast jusitfy that. ALberta has way more oil and it doesnt have to travel far so they pay less. In southern ontario we should be paying less for internet not more. Populationis way more dense way more traffic carriers more fibre.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16688172 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:13:02 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16687265 KyeU :

said by x0marx

:

One thing that's messed up is that they say the 100 gig cap is more than enough for the average user, but since when are Extreme and Elite customers average users?

said by GI Suck

:

Sheesh, wish all these ISPs in Canada announcing their upgrades, maybe Rogers is waiting too long to deploy the service?

Either that, or maybe its time to upgrade the Extreme from 6mbps to 10mbps?

According to my friend who knows a senior IT person in Rogers, he said that there is a possible 10 mbps upgrade for all Extreme users (with a possible $10 price increase), but it's all speculation as far as I can tell, so don't listen to poor old me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16687265 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:29:06 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16687161 x0marx : One thing that's messed up is that they say the 100 gig cap is more than enough for the average user, but since when are Extreme and Elite customers average users?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16687161 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:10:15 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16687055 GI Suck : Sheesh, wish all these ISPs in Canada announcing their upgrades, maybe Rogers is waiting too long to deploy the service?

Either that, or maybe its time to upgrade the Extreme from 6mbps to 10mbps?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16687055 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:52:06 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16686789 sbrook :

There is not a single segment of technology where Canada leads US or Europe or any other G8 country. Canada just does not have a booming tech industry, and by the time we get it from somewhere else, it's expensive and outdated. And it's not just internet.

You know, having lived in 3 different countries, I've heard the same story from each "We're lagging behind Canada and the US", "We're lagging behind the US & Europe", "We're lagging behind Canada and Europe".

We must, in fact, therefore, be all very close to being on the same page.

You talk about European providers of Cellphones. One of the biggest differences is which technology was embraced and when. Europe went all out on the more advanced GSM technology almost from the get-go. Their networks are moderately well integrated. Their pricing structures, on the other hand are decidedly different too ... not necessarily better. In Europe, it's caller pays everything, and if you call between carriers, you might as well be calling a continent away, because it's far more costly.

One of the major differences too between Canada, Europe and the US is population and population density. When you're serving as in England, some 50 million people in a land area no bigger than southern Ontario, it is a lot easier! This makes comparisons quite complex.

In the UK until only a couple years ago Internet providers were delivering broadband at 256Kbps to 1Mbps max. Suddenly they burst forth delivering speed. The transition of speeds in North America has been far more regular. (Yes, I know that in the early days of @wave, people got 10Mbs down, but that was far from the case for everybody. The move to DOCSIS has resulted in more consistent speeds for everyone)

In these forums we hear time and again what "the other guy" is offering. You think that doesn't impact what you'll buy? Take Rogers Elite ... if it were the only Extra Fast game in town, people would pay the fee and go with it. BUT the fact that there are many different providers offering similar services for far less means that a lot of people are saying "Forget it, you're too expensive" because they know that Rogers cost is out of line. That has to concern Rogers.

You compare Electricity and Gas ... There are rational business reasons why Electricity is cheaper in Ontario, and gas cheaper in Alberta. Customers do care about this difference, but they do recognize it's like fighting city hall so apathy hits. But the cost of delivering internet is not that different in Alberta than Ontario therefore there's no valid reasoning for price differences.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16686789 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:55:05 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16686454 insomx : 3web isn't everywhere Rogers serves though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16686454 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:55:06 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16685799 anon : Ok then, what about 3Web? They operate in the same areas as Rogers; therefore, they are direct competition, and yet while they are a lot cheaper than Rogers for the same kind of connection without a cap, Rogers increases their price rather than trying to compete.

I figure there are basically two kinds of customers:

1) Just give me the basics at a good price.

2) I don't mind paying more for better service.

Rogers is more expensive, and stripped away anything - like news groups for example - that would give people incentive to pay more. I can go with 3Web and a separate news group service, and the total would still be the same if not cheaper than what Rogers charges for a connection alone.

With Rogers, I pay for a 5 meg connection that I get 2-3 megs with in speed tests, and with a bit torrent that has 62 seeds and swarm speed of over 600KB, I get an average of 2KB down and 1KB up. I haven't even used 25% of the monthly cap yet either. Perhaps, the extreme means extremely slow or extremely limited?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16685799 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 05:26:48 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16685306 Hyper6 : Hey billygee man i see where you are coming from. I have done 40 GB in 2 days onthis new pc i have with a 300 GB drive. the last 3 months i have gone over the cap but not that ridicoulsy anyways billygee let us know what happens.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16685306 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:11:20 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16685294 Kelaydi : There is not a single segment of technology where Canada leads US or Europe or any other G8 country. Canada just does not have a booming tech industry, and by the time we get it from somewhere else, it's expensive and outdated. And it's not just internet.

Sbrook, you keep saying that Rogers is or should be concerned with companies that they don't directly compete with, but you fail to give any valid reason for it. Rogers Wireless is FAR behind Cingular in every aspect. Both are completely out of touch with any European provider. Yet Rogers Wireless is by far the biggest money maker, so you can be sure that people are in fact NOT "clamouring loud and long at Rogers doorstep". Is there anybody in Canada who's "comparison shopping" with Cingular for their cell phones? It just doesn't make sense. The Toronto Argonauts will never try to win a better record than the Pittsburgh Steelers, because they'll never be in direct competition.

Same applies to different markets even within Canada. Albertan electrcity companies don't care that Ontario prices beat them by about one third, and Ontarian gas compaines don't care that Alberta beats them by about one third. And neither do any of their customers, anywhere. Most internet customers can follow the same logic.

I can't buy the argument that some people will switch to Bell because Shaw has better prices than Rogers, and it's just common sense, because Shaw also has better prices than Bell. Once that person switches to Bell, they'll compare Shaw to Bell and be so upset that they'd go to Bell's competition, which is, back to Rogers. Such people would continunously switch back and forth in an endless loop, as long as Shaw continues to beat both of them. Rogers is aware of that and realizes that they only need to worry about their direct competition, and not even Cogeco even if they are literally across the street.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16685294 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:08:25 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16684372 Sanek : Rogers is pissing me off here in Ottawa :(

I currently have their Extreme package (6Mbit/800kbit) and I'm only getting 4.8Mbit top download speed from Canadian servers - usually ~4.2Mbit at best from most US servers, not to mention that they raised the price recently and didn't provide any additional service in return! I mean now that they canceled their GigaNews service, they're really getting greedy :(

The biggest thing thats really upsets me is the 100GB limit. I have a small home network (5 PCs), which doesn't leave much bandwidth usage for a single PC. They should have something like "add $20 to get 100GB more bandwidth" plan.

I wouldn't mind getting their upcoming $100 service, but they just have to increase the monthly bandwidth limit to at least 200GB - otherwise, its useless.

What upsets me even more is how far Canadian Internet is behind US and Europe. I have a friend living in Utah and he gets 15Mbps download/15Mbps upload fo $40 US per month - unlimited bandwidth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16684372 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:01:51 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16683659 BillyGee : Wow, this topic keeps going strong, good to see.

Just wanted to touch on the fact that I think I mentioned a while back in this thread - even if Bell keeps the same Optimax prices in Ontario, along with the cap structure, etc., it really can't be compared to Rogers Elite.

Essentially with Bell you have the choice of paying $80 for a 16mbit connection with a 75GB cap, or $110 for a 16mbit unlimited connection. Even though it's obviously not marketed that way, that's what it comes down to.

This of course may not matter anyway, unless Rogers drastically changes its ACTUAL (not announced) practices. Last month my Rogers usage was around 430GB, Bell usage about the same. (I have both Rogers Extreme and Bell Ultra) I don't think I ever have more than 2 months in a year when I am under the cap, which is when I'm on vacation ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16683659 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:07:12 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16682293 sbrook : sorry, haven't a clue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16682293 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:30:34 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16682131 GI Suck : Hey Sbrook,

Anything on your side about the actual date of deployment? Even a month would be good.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16682131 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:03:50 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681267 sbrook : Nope ... The nearest Cogeco comes to Carp / Ottawa is Smiths Falls and Perth. Some of the smaller communities near here are served by either Persona or a local service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681267 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:04:31 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681185 pulp39 :

said by Snickerdo

said by pulp39

:

Did someone imply moi? ;) Dat's right, I'm the perfect example. I moved to an area after extensive locational research vis-à-vis broadband. Found me a fresh new patch of fiber. Bought a house there days later, in god's country, Carp! :D

Cogeco country, eh? Smart man :)

Nope, the greater Ottawa is locked up by Ted. Trick is to find a properly segmented area. :)
--
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Eugene may be reading from "The Boy Who Cried Wolf", well, we're reading from the fawking "Riot Act", Eugene. Time to put up or shut up! - SENS ARMY]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681185 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:53:28 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681119 Snickerdo :

said by pulp39

Cogeco country, eh? Smart man :)
--
Bigot - Someone that has won an argument with a Liberal.
Yes, I CanChat. Can You? www.fiberal.ca]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681119 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:42:09 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681018 pulp39 :

said by sbrook

:

Some people have been known to choose where they live because of the availability of broadband.

Did someone imply moi? ;) Dat's right, I'm the perfect example. I moved to an area after extensive locational research vis-à-vis broadband. Found me a fresh new patch of fiber. Bought a house there days later, in god's country, Carp! :D

"Location, location, location" fellahs! Do yo research. :)
--
"I always deliver. Hockey Mecca of the NHL." - Eugene Melnyk
Eugene may be reading from "The Boy Who Cried Wolf", well, we're reading from the fawking "Riot Act", Eugene. Time to put up or shut up! - SENS ARMY]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681018 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:28:10 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16679422 JunkieXL : Here in the west, Shaw upgraded Xtreme-I to 10 mbit at no extra cost. The monthly cap of 100 GB is unchanged too. Not exactly a big deal, but the speed bump is good.

I hope Rogers does the same and bumps up the upper tier users a few megs. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16679422 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:46:51 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16678878 x0marx :

said by Potato :
I'm looking for a new place to live now, and I'm sorely tempted to knock on the prospective neighbours' doors and ask them about the neighbourhood and the schools, and if they wouldn't terribly mind just running a quick speed test for me...

LOL!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16678878 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 03:50:09 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16678781 Potato5 :

I must say that I have NEVER seen or experienced anyone suggest that they would move to slower competition or drop broadband all together because a high speed provider in a jurisdiction next door which is NOT available in one's own jurisdiction is offering higher speeds.

It is irrational and rare, but it does happen nonetheless. Partly because people want "the best", and if the #1 service isn't available in their area, then what does it really matter whether they end up going with #2 or #3? It is exactly as sbrook said: it's a backwards kind of logic; non-rational purchasing decisions. It's somewhat similar to the case of "independence of irrelevant alternatives": After finishing dinner, Sidney Morgenbesser decides to order dessert. The waitress tells him he has two choices: apple pie and blueberry pie. Sidney orders the apple pie. After a few minutes the waitress returns and says that they also have cherry pie at which point Morgenbesser says "In that case I'll have the blueberry pie." [example taken from Wikipedia] Logically, it shouldn't happen... yet occassionally it does anyway. Humans are funny like that.

Yes i dont think many people would move because of broadband but if you were moving that would definatley effect my decision.

Same here. I'm looking for a new place to live now, and I'm sorely tempted to knock on the prospective neighbours' doors and ask them about the neighbourhood and the schools, and if they wouldn't terribly mind just running a quick speed test for me...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16678781 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:58:29 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16677572 Hyper6 : Thank you sbrook.

To you guys who said you dont care or are just going to have to budget for this. I think rogers is using us a test rats. If people actaully buy this over priced crap it is shwoing rogers that htis price gauging is okay and that no matter how expensive people will buy it. You are teaching them it is okay and then we are all going to get forced into over priced internet and you guys will be the first to say your bill went up. Same as people who couldnt give a dam about net neutrality, you are going to be the first to come and say oh why cant i get to some sites.

And we should be getting away from bandwidth caps as bandwidth is becoming cheaper. And i believe your location has alot to do with the cost of bandwidth and i dont think it costs very much in a huge city like toronto.

Yes i dont think many people would move because of broadband but if you were moving that would definatley effect my decision. Let's say i had to move to the united states, you can bet a house that has FiOS in the area is going to be a house i would consider. If it was canada about a year ago i would be figuring out how far my house is from the nearest bell CO office.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16677572 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:47:03 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16677484 anon : If you look carefully though, they're not advertising the fastest service in Canada to 1-up each other.

As an example, in Rogers' most recent press release, it states: "Rogers launches fastest Internet modem speed setting for residential market". Presumably, this would refer to the "residential market" that Rogers serves, since clearly it's not the fastest in Canada (which would probably be Videotron and its 20mb service).

The pissing contest is within the own areas they serve since that's the only real competition (at least in the short term) that need to be concerned about.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16677484 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:34:08 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16677394 idlewillkill : And even further to that point, there is a bit of a pissing contest between the cablecos. They want to be the ones that can proclaim "Fastest Service in Canada!*".
And, to sbrook

's earlier point, look no further than Qwest or Adelphia to see the broadband picture in the US isn't completely rosy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16677394 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:21:43 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16677195 sbrook : Actually if you read back in these forums, you'll find people say "I'm tired of Rogers BS, even if it's slower, I'm going back to Bell".

Some people have been known to choose where they live because of the availability of broadband. I doubt that they'd move *because of broadband*, but it would certainly influence the location were there other reasons to move.

I know that I couldn't have done my job were it not for the arrival of broadband after we moved here. Dial up wouldn't have cut it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16677195 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:51:01 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16677124 anon : I must say that I have NEVER seen or experienced anyone suggest that they would move to slower competition or drop broadband all together because a high speed provider in a jurisdiction next door which is NOT available in one's own jurisdiction is offering higher speeds.

Why did Rogers offer Extreme when few on Bell could get more than 1.5? Likely not because of what cable systems around them were doing, but because they knew that it was coming from Bell at some point down the road. The same reason they've announced Elite even though few can reach the full 5megs or so on Bell... Optimax has been announced and it's only a matter of time before it gets rolled out.

I don't think anyone at Rogers would have more than a passing concern as to what other cable systems are offering (nor should they) unless they are worried that people will actually choose the location in which they live based on the cable provider (highly unlikely I would think).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16677124 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:40:05 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676777 sbrook : Actually, Rogers SHOULD and do care what Cogeco and other cable operators are charging and offering.

Let's face it, Rogers came out with Extreme when precious few could get beyond 1.5Mbps on Bell. But they saw cable operators around them upping their speeds. Why should they bother when there are so many issues to be dealt with from an increased speed tier ? You can't tell me they didn't know of the problems they'd face!

One of the reasons why is bad PR. If your neighbouring cable operator is offering better speeds, and you aren't, then customers will be inclined to go to the competition, even if its Bell who still can't offer the speed or even drop broadband altogether. There's a backwards kind of logic at work here but it is quite demonstrable.

Also you have to deal with a stream of complaints that you don't offer a faster service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676777 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:40:56 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676683 anon : When you in your Rogers-served household can order services from Cogeco, only then should Rogers be the slightest bit concerned over what Cogeco is charging in their service area.

Otherwise, complain all you want about what is available 5 minutes away. The point is, you can't get it where you are, so the comparison is really irrelevant.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676683 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:26:58 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676670 anon :

*Insert analogy to oil companies gouging customers here*

*Insert statement that there isn't a damn thing we can do about it here*

Rogers and Oil?

What a stupid statement and/or analogy

If you don't have Rogers life doesn't stop. So don't care about Rogers. This also shows you should get a life.

Oil affects everything is life. People who complain about gouging mostly have SUV s and roam around city searching for cheap gas. Only poor live with the rape by Oil companies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676670 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:25:03 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676546 GI Suck : God I hope they lower it. $20 extra for another 10mbps sounds a lot better than $50. That, I would buy most likely. I would just have to budget for it! ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676546 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:59:14 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676539 anon : *Insert analogy to oil companies gouging customers here*

*Insert statement that there isnt a damn thing we can do about it here*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676539 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:58:32 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676367 sbrook : Actually, a lot of US cable operators are JUST like Rogers. The favourite comparison for "GOOD" is Optimum Online vs Canadian operators. The trouble is that OOL is an exception to the rule. In general US cable operators have the same "couldn't give a damn" attitude, slapping price hikes on wherever they get an opportunity, unless direct competition appears.

Then there are the Telcos who provide the DSL services and try to lay on "fees" like "Regulatory recovery fees" which look like taxes but are really attempts to gouge.

So, no, the US is not different from Canada. After all, Canadian cable operators had to learn their arrogance from somewhere!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676367 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:25:08 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676333 Hyper6 : Exactly i am in mississauga. cogeco isn't even 5 minutes from where i live and rogers thinks they can get away with gauging 30 $ more for 2 mbs download.

Travisc ya i obviusly undersatnd that and i am working on it ;)
But this is only gonna get worse. It is better people stand up and not let them get away with this nonsense. We should be getting this upgrade for free with our included services.

Why only in canada. Again look at the US cabelco's in some areas. The phone company offers way faster service for a higher price so then complimentry they upgrade there service speeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676333 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:20:06 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676314 sbrook : I think we need lower price points from Bell to see Rogers lower their prices. Obviously Cogeco's price points aren't getting Rogers to see the point!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676314 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:16:54 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676267 GI Suck : Anyone think they will at least attempt to match Cogeco on the price point? What if Sympatico announces their service as cheaper? I don't think they will grab many people if its $30 extra.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16676267 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:08:29 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16675907 sbrook : This is getting way OT and I think the original topic is pretty well thrashed to death until Elite appears.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16675907 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:13:06 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16675526 jackr : What about the managers or at least the leadhands. Don't they aggregate the information into some reasonably coalesced form of info so they can see if there's a pattern developing, and then discuss a strategy on how to work through it?
(Not arguing with you, I'm just curious how they solve problems)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16675526 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:17:43 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16675306 GI Suck : ISPs. I worked for a 3rd party call center for Bell that had 120 steats (not all of them are filled during the day,) had a call volume of 80,000 calls/week, from 8am to 12am. And thats just 1 call center. You think an ISP is going to review each ticket, open or not to discuss resolution plan?

It just doesn't happen!
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What company doesn't hold weekly dept meetings to discuss ongoing issues?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16675051 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:08:41 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16674833 GI Suck : What ISP holds weekly meetings to discuss ongoing issues? Nobody looks at the tickets that are filed in the system since there would be an insane number filed on any given day. The only thing that happens is that statistics is generated on the "problem" and "resolution" fields (which are just prefilled options btw) to see how calls are being dealt with.
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Tickets were filed. Then ignored by some of my fellow lazy ass techs that couldn't be bothered to solve the problem if it involved more than a cursory look see, or didn't involve windows. Dumbest people I ever had the displeasure of working with.

Problems should be dealt with proactively. Rogers needs to take a long hard look at it's CSR's...and its middle managers if the tickets are not being solved. Don't they have weekly meetings to discuss ongoing issues?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16673997 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:29:52 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16673962 travisc : The great thing is, if it's a rip-off, you don't have to pay for it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16673962 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:23:59 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16673889 HiVolt : $70 is not bad. Sympatico Ultra was $69 when it first debuted.
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This is a terrible rip off even at 70 $ and people are forgetting the pathetic caps and only 1 mbs upload.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16673656 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:36:38 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16673289 GI Suck :

said by jackr

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They don't use crystal reports, or similar software to log problems?
What the hell? Do they write everything down on yellow stickies, or on a whiteboard and hope the hell the problem solves itself?

You wont believe how many times you would find a ticket file in anyones account (which automatically provides a timestamp when the ticket was filed) which provides little or no documentation on what happened on your call. What's worse, theres no disciplinary action to correct this.

What also plagues Rogers is its consistency to inform its call centers of service changes and new call resolutions. There is no call flow for any agent to troubleshoot incoming problems. From all the agents I speak to, just wing it pretty much. There hasn't been any evidence that they follow a flowchart.
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What the hell? Do they write everything down on yellow stickies, or on a whiteboard and hope the hell the problem solves itself?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16672881 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:29:20 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16672873 sbrook : As someone who worked in the support centre of a major computer manufacturer for several years, I can tell you that the changes in the support industry are quite disgraceful. These changes have come about because of job performance metrics.

What are they measured on?
1) Calls per day
2) Closed calls
3) Repeat calls
4) Escalations.
5) Customer satisfaction

Agents are expected to take so many calls per day

It is important to close calls with some kind of resolution. on the first call. It is not good to have pending calls - this implies that the agent was not good enough to find the answer. The problem is that Rogers agents don't seem to care WHAT answer, as long as they provide an answer.

Repeat calls are a negative, but by not logging accurate call details, it is possible to get around the matter of repeat calls on the same problem. It's widely done by documenting the call after the fact. In good call centres this is done by having up-front call screeners who take the call problem and your personal info, log the call in the database and then forward to an agent.

Escalations are a no-no. Ever wonder why it's so hard at times to get a ticket raised? It shows that the agent was unable to help the customer. That's not good on their stats.

Number 5 has pretty well gone out the window because they rarely now do customer satisfaction surveys and I've never had a customer satisfaction survey from Rogers. The agent taking the call may well be recording the customer satisfaction level.

Sadly support is a mess driven by metrics rather than customer satisfaction.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16672873 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:28:35 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16672765 GI Suck :

said by idlewillkill

said by ottawaguy :

Good news is that every one of those calls costs Rogers money, so keep calling those bums till they actually fix the problem. 15$ to 45$ per outsourced call over two minutes, muahahahaha

That is absolute nonsense. Say a(n) (below) average rep takes 6 calls over 2 minutes in length per hour. Are you trying to say that Rogers would be paying the outsourcing company $90 to $270 per hour? Where would be the cost savings in that? What possible benefit would that provide Rogers.
GI Suck

You would think so, but I just got a private message from someone in this forum that says that I what I said about repeat calls are mainly true. Apparently agents have a history of not documenting their calls and there has been documented history in this forum on how Rogers gives you the run around.

If Rogers ever wanted to work on lowering its operating costs, its blantently obvious that they need to start at the call centers and maintaining consistency so that call resolution is the same at every call center.

Rogers and first call resolution just doesn't seem to go together in one sentence.
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, I don't buy that their repeat calls are appreciably increasing, especially to the point of necessitating higher staffing levels. Any call center worth a grain of salt agressively works to reduce the number of repeat calls. I've no reason to believe Rogers is any different. If they are indeed getting higher call volumes, ther's probably a fair amount of happy, revenue-generating calls coming in. In which case, I couldn't see that translating into rate increases.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16670971 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:34:42 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16670953 Hyper6 : Ya this is a joke you would think bandwidth is getting cheaper over time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16670953 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:31:11 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16670868 insomx : Ya, then they just increase our prices again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16670868 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:16:35 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16670707 anon : Good news is that every one of those calls costs Rogers money, so keep calling those bums till they actually fix the problem. 15$ to 45$ per outsourced call over two minutes, muahahahaha]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16670707 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:45:39 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16668323 anon :

have to higher more staff

Hire???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16668323 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:11:12 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16668270 GI Suck : Its the call centers.

Since they suck at resolving anyone's problems, theres a lot of call backs generated on the same issues, which means they have to higher more staff to give you bs answers to meet the demand of the call volume, which in turn drives up operating costs.
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said by koolin

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maybe we are paying for the throttling hardware/software/administration with our rate increase...

LOL, yeah. paying extra to get shittier service. Odd, eh?
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I was going to mention about the mail, web-space and newsgroups, but sort of forgot...and you beat me to it :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667954 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:05:48 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667903 sbrook : That's the part I really don't understand. In general terms, johnsea, yes, they should be declining ... especially bandwidth, now that Rogers has struck deals with other transit providers, and they've cut costs by eliminating handling their own mail, web page offerings, and managing newsgroup servers.

Operating costs may also include such things as paying interest on debt and remember interest rates have increased many times in the last couple years.

This is why I believe most firmly that this is far more about paying down debt than actual increase in pure operating costs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667903 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:55:43 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667878 GI Suck : The only operating costs that they have to endure, is call centers :P

That and maintenance, upgrades and construction.

But there's always call centers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667878 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:52:15 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667749 insomx : But it seems highly unlikly that costs would go up over the past couple of years. If anything, they'd go down wouldn't they?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667749 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:27:37 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667726 anon : There's a whole lot more that goes into "operating costs" than just bandwidth expenditures!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667726 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:23:46 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667443 insomx :

said by Kelaydi

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Rogers has never claimed that bandwidth is expensive. They've never claimed that bandwidth costs are the reasons for price increases, caps, or throttling. It's a conclusion that you're drawing based on...? I don't know.

Yes they did....look at the letter they mailed you. They said "due to increased operating costs".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667443 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:39:55 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667415 Kelaydi : Rogers has never claimed that bandwidth is expensive. They've never claimed that bandwidth costs are the reasons for price increases, caps, or throttling. It's a conclusion that you're drawing based on...? I don't know.

You may very well be 100% right about the cost of bandwidth. The problem though, is that the cost of bandwidth may very well account for about 5% of the reasons for Rogers' pricing structure. It's like saying a farmer gets milk from a cow for free, so milk should be free, or extremely cheap. But there is so much more to it than that.

Until you can get over the bandwidth idea and realize how much more there is to consider, it will continue to be difficult for you to understand fair internet pricing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667415 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:36:27 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667265 baldwookie : Of course, you know that they will! Didn't you know hop hip Nana is? While she's saving money on her long distance, she's downloading the latest Fedora set on her high speed!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16667265 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:09:57 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16658961 Angelo_ : the question is do i wish to keep rogers at "18mbps"

the fact that they think bandwidth is expensive worries me... bc they can find viable reasons to screw us customers royally and this hasn't even scratched the surface.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16658961 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:26:23 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16656296 mac dude : Just as long as they don't use the "Nana" or "Your daughter" style of commercials.
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for example, lite was increased back in November, shortly after the download rate went from 384kbps to 1mbps.

express was increased in August, shortly after the download rate went from 3mbps to 5mbps.

just wait a month or so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16653037 Sun, 06 Aug 2006 08:37:06 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652641 Hyper6 : Huh, internet in canada is becoming a joke.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652641 Sun, 06 Aug 2006 03:29:32 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652624 anon : "But yet, you stayed with them for 6 years? Puzzling."

My headache with Rogers, for the most part, has been fairly recent. It's also only been fairly recent that I've looked into other options like 3Web. Perhaps, some people choose to jump from isp to isp as frequently - if not more so - than they change their socks, but I don't.

However, when I compare the way things have gone with Rogers over the last year or so, and their prices, with 3Web, I fail to see any incentive to continue doing business with Rogers. It's their prerogative to run their company however they see fit, but it's mine to choose another isp if I don't like it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652624 Sun, 06 Aug 2006 03:18:59 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652505 idlewillkill : Well, a couple points there. I think that the bandwidth cap isn't so much to keep bandwidth costs down, so much as to try and mitigate the saturation of the network I imagine upgrades are being done, but are currently transparent to us. That's speculative on my part, of course. As to 3web using Rogers network, I don't think the cost is as high as you might think. I don't know what he charge is, but the cost for a phone company to lease the copper loop to provide phone service is around $8 a month. I'd imagine the cast to 3 web is comparable, far cheaper than what ISPs pay to Bell to be able to provide DSL service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652505 Sun, 06 Aug 2006 02:26:18 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652495 mordin :

said by Hyper6

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Eastlink is a tiny little isp compared to rogers. They have been providing 10 mbs for quite a while now and have no caps.

I know.... and they're only an hour down the road!!! 'SOB' :huh:
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Plus bandwidth doesnt cost them as much in the GTA. Look at how many carriers we have in the GTA. They are everywhere in a huge urabn landscape of 5.7 million people. There arent as many carriers their and they proablly charge way more. We are also forgetting how much it must cost eastlink to connect such a sparsley spreaded out population.

It makes rogers look bad. and the maritimes is a way less competitive market then here, you would expect way higher prices in the maritimes.

Here is another way to say but it isnt that extreme. Where does bandwidth cost more in Alaska or NYC. obviusly alaska.

and what ever happened to us paying our monthly fee and some of that fee was supposed to go back to upgrading network infastrucutre? Some of the money we pay shoud go to upgrading the network and as time goes on you expect speed upgrades. I see other isp's all over the world upgrading their customers speeds as time goes on.

Why in canada everytime the isp upgrades the speeds is it just an excuse to gauge their customers?

(a recent example take FiOS, there middle plan was 15/2 and it got upgraded for free to 20/5 in competivie markets for free, they didnt double the price. You expect speed upgrades over time. I have also seen news dslreports all the time of isp's upgrading their customers speeds over time. and they didnt need to raise the prices through the rough.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652472 Sun, 06 Aug 2006 02:15:17 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652201 Rogers1 : True it shocks me that rogers isnt trying to keep up with at least eastlink here I mean NS & NB are almost the same place we should at least be on par with them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652201 Sun, 06 Aug 2006 00:58:31 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652198 idlewillkill : You could make the exact same argument with Cogeco. Rogers isn't in competition with either of them, so doesn't feel obligated to be cost competitive with them. Who knows, maybe these higher rates are going to fund some major upgrades, and down the road we'll all be pleased as punch with the route they decided to take.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652198 Sun, 06 Aug 2006 00:57:26 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652059 Hyper6 : Okay here is another fair comparisin since some of you guys dont even agree that we should compare to the US. Here is Eastlink, they are a cable provider in the Maritimes.

»www.eastlink.ca/internet/highspeed/index.asp

They charge 45 $ for 10 mbs. They have no cap or traffic shaping. (55$ but that is stand alone, most people with cable tv have cable internet, i also believe rogers adds a fee if you dont have both.)

Now that makes rogers look bad. Eastlink is a tiny little isp compared to rogers. They have been providing 10 mbs for quite a while now and have no caps. They also dont need to traffic shape.

The maritimes is an isp's worst nightmare to deploy broadban. A very sparse spread out population and it costs way more to deliver services there then it does in toronto. Look at the population density of toronto vs the maritimes.It probally costs Eastlink way more to deliver broadband in the maritimes then here. And i would also guess there are way less providers to carry their bandwidth in the maritimes. That bandwidth probally costs more there to.

I think that makes rogers look bad.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16652059 Sun, 06 Aug 2006 00:26:45 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16650033 sbrook : One of the big problems in many areas are the sheer number of customers being served on a single cable feed from the nodes.

This is particularly a problem in the older Shaw areas of Toronto ... the topology of the cable networks that were installed by the independent cable operators that Shaw bought up were such that too many homes were fed with a single feed. This resulted in way too much stress on getting slots on the upstream. It also applies in lots of other Rogers areas too ... The installations per number of homes passed has far outstripped the original design expectations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16650033 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 17:03:00 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16649979 Ignite :

said by Hyper6

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Gusy what i meant on this system and even DOCSIS2 is that th enode is capped at 38 mbs. This isnt shared though as many customers could be getting 38 mbs. Basically it depends on ho wmuch fibre is fed to the node. They could also start channel bonding but i think that is a DOCSIS 3 thing.

Ah no not quite, the amount of fibre doesn't affect the amount of 38M channels being fed to the node, fibre is used to split nodes and reduce the amount of homes passed sharing the bandwidth.

Think you should differentiate between a node and a service control group. Most people consider a node to be that thing that feeds an area, and a node is usually the smallest part of a service control group, the SCG being an area sharing a downstream/upstream group.

To deliver extra downstreams to an area doesn't need more fibre, it needs configuration at headend on CMTS. There are many 6MHz wide 38Mbit channels being delivered to an SCG anyway, just a case of devoting more of them for cable modem service rather than analogue channels or DTV multiplexes.

In short more fibre = smaller areas sharing the same bandwidth, additional downstreams = more bandwidth available for each area.

Oh the bandwidth is always shared, there are always a number of customers sharing downstreams. While you could sell a 38Mbit service it requires no-one else on that downstream to be using bandwidth to reach max.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16649979 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 16:54:34 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16648943 Hyper6 : Gusy what i meant on this system and even DOCSIS2 is that th enode is capped at 38 mbs. This isnt shared though as many customers could be getting 38 mbs. Basically it depends on ho wmuch fibre is fed to the node. They could also start channel bonding but i think that is a DOCSIS 3 thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16648943 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 13:04:54 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16648760 Ignite : When you start selling 18/1 it takes less customers to saturate the node downstream than to saturate a single upstream channel, 2 customers can take 36 of 38Mbit on their downstream channel but only 2Mbit of about 4.8 on upstream.

That said upstream traffic tends to be more sustained than downstream, however 18Mbit is right up in the range where you'll see performance vary depending on time of day for a lot of people.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16648760 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 12:13:00 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16648424 sbrook : Yes, cable is shared, but the main limitation of that sharing is on the upstream traffic, not the downstream. This is why the projected upstream for Elite is still only 1Mbps.

Yes, downstream is limited, but unless a node (neighbourhood) is desparately overloaded with clients, it's rarely a problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16648424 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:52:19 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16648193 anon : It's called lack of compitition, whats the sense of leaving rogers to go to bell when bell has not been any better.
{moderated for content}]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16648193 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:47:09 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16648104 anon :

But yet, you stayed with them for 6 years? Puzzling.

Haaaa Haa Haa Heeeeeee Hee Hee Hee. Good one dude.
{moderated for content}]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16648104 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:22:39 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16648085 anon : "In my experience, ordering a Rogers service is like paying someone to piss you off."

But yet, you stayed with them for 6 years? Puzzling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16648085 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:17:01 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16647559 anon : "I'm seriously wondering if anyone here is even considering on even ordering this service. Please, raise your hand if you are!"

Hell no!

My next internet change will be a switch to 3web. I'll just use express til I switch. I think 6 years with Rogers has been more than enough.

In my experience, ordering a Rogers service is like paying someone to piss you off.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16647559 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 03:27:30 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16647306 Rogers1 : No doubt but thats people panic before we have all the info.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16647306 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:44:06 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16647225 Dustyn :

said by Rogers1

:

It is yet to be proven what Rogers is gonna do with Extreme lets wait and see.

Agreed. :)
These are plans that are in the works.
It might not turn out to be anything like many of you here are speculating!
This is all still rumour and speculation... as usual... :uhh:
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But as for your question Rogers and others dont guarantee the speed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16647051 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:27:50 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16646887 mac dude : Hey Rogers1, thanks.

I guess my point was when I was on their network there were times when I didn't get the full connection. If they didn't upgrade anything, how could they possibly guarantee that you're not getting 8, 10, 12 Mbps instead of the 18 you were promised.

I know what you mean about "all connections are" but I find bell to have less fluctuation with speeds in general.
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Cable is shared right? So what happens when you get some people in your neighbourhood signing up for this? Do you think the 18 Mbps will be dedicated like Optimax advertises, or could the speed fluctuate based on what other users are doing?

I've read a lot of other comments in this thread about Rogers not spending money on upgrading nodes, so how will they accomodate this new tier?

Just curious.
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As to why it is important to be competetive with US providers? Because of comparison shopping. When people look at competive pricing and services, where do they look? The US. If Rogers were to fall so far behind the US, you can be sure that people would be clamouring loud and long at Rogers doorstep.

As to the Rogers debt thing, I am not focusing on the Blue Jays, or the SkyDome as individual things, but rather as a part of an overall scheme of acquisitions and expenditures (and I did include the build out costs for becoming an ISP you will note) that Rogers needed financing for. This resulted in a "junk" credit rating because their revenues to debt ratio was too low for the banks and institutional lenders. Multiple ways to improve that ... increase subscribers ... which they've done pretty well so far but are probably reaching a saturation of the market, and to increase rates.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16646303 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:00:17 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16646282 Hyper6 : Oh and to other people who were talking about europe and asia.

There cities are way more densely popul;ated than our cities in North america. SO you guys shouldnt be comparing internet connections in europe and asia to intermet here because there cities are so much more densley populated they justify the fibre and speeds there.

But there is no excuse when you compare us to the US.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_se···_density]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16646282 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:56:41 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16646250 Hyper6 : Australia is an island.

Look at toronto we are one the the denseest cities in north america. ill post this link again »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_se···_density

Look i see montreal, vancouver, toronto, and even little mississauga more densly populated than houston texas.

Notice something else about this link. NOt only are these the most densely populated areas in north america but all those american cities have FiOS to.

New York, Jersey City , Chicago, Boston, Philadalphia, Wahington DC, Baltimore.

Can someone tell me what is so different about these areas than our big canadian cities? I was just in baltimore it is very small compared to the size of the GTA.

about 2.5 million people live in toronto and about 5.7 million people live in the GTA. (»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Toronto_Area)

Now i understand that bellmay not have the deepest pockets. But what can justify paying so much more for so much less for Internet in Canada.

I think isp's should be charging way more for customers in rurual areas because it isnt as profitbale. People in Unpopulated areas should be paying more like 200 $ a month instead of us subisidising the isp's costs to provide access to rural areas.

PS. even my grandpa has had it wit rogers. they just took away the golf channel. He even asked if he couldpay to get it back but they would only let him purchase a sports package.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16646250 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:50:01 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16646131 anon : Not to mention that bringing up things like the Skydome or Blue Jays purchase as a reason why Rogers is screwing over customers due to accumulated debt is a bit of a red herring.

When Rogers bought out the 20% remaining interest in the Jays in 2004, the team had a valuation of $200 million. Rogers bought the Skydome for $25 million.

Profit in the last 3 months more than paid for these with some $50 million still left to spare! These aren't significant costs / assets in the grand scheme of things.

The point is, the debt was required for purchasing capital assets / improving / rebuilding networks, without which, Rogers wouldn't even be in a position to offer tiers such as Elite. As an example, they spent $400 million alone in the past 3 months on the acquisition of new physical assets, and $1.3 billion in 2005.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16646131 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:29:53 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16646078 daT : Reply to Kelaydi

Obviously, there must be something else which is motivating the internet pricing.

The target users here are high end users. Users that are typically a little more savy than the d-for-drive users. Thus, those users are able to see that this is of no benefit to them, and the majority will not 'jump' to this so-called elite service.

I know I won't.

I appreciate Roger$ see's this as a viable option, but most here will not. It's simply too expensive, and too restrictive.

Lets not forget their recent history of removing previous services and not reducing pricing. Ok for them to ammend their contract with me at any time, in any manner, yet if I want to I have to pay?

No matter how one looks at this, it is simply another boneheaded move by a company who is so out of touch with its market.
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But okay, I'm willing to humour this idea for a moment. But instead of competing with a country like UK or the US, let's take a look at a country which is a little closer to Canada in terms of size, population, economy, and technology - Australia.

With Optus cable, you can get 9.9/256 with a 20GB cap for about $75 Canadian dollars. They do offer a "DSL Direct" service of 20/820 with 20GB, and their already-discounted bundle price is about $65. Sounds like it beats Elite at first, BUT it's only available to a miniscule fraction of customers, and there's no word what happens after 20GB. With Telstra/Bigpond cable you can get 17/256 with a 60GB cap for about $130 Canadian dollars. Both companies require contracts and connection charges.

So Rogers is starting to look pretty competitive now, right? You could look in Japan or South Korea and find service that's 5 times as good for less than half the cost. But that's my point - international internet markets are so different it makes no sense to compare them. Our closest technology market is probably Australia, and Rogers beats them by a long shot.

You always keep coming back to this Rogers debt thing. Sure, Rogers, like any company, has some level of debt. But for all the people who consistently take cheap shots at Rogers internet about the Blue Jays, you have to realize there is a HUGE divide between Rogers cable, wireless, and media. They won't raise prices out of a competitive level in one area just to balance their debt in another area.

But even if you insist they would, you must see that Rogers is NOT raising prices on their most-used and most successful service - cell phones. So if you claim that they are raising the price of one business to pay off media debt, then why wouldn't they start with Rogers wireless? Obviously, there must be something else which is motivating the internet pricing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16645762 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:18:31 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16644340 Hyper6 : I can unserstand's bell optimax pricing in quebec, but in ontario if they actaully offered decent speeds and good prices they could steal alot of customers from rogers. I cant see why just not have an unlimited teir and get a whole bunch of customers. i dont hear this nonsense in the US about pathetic caps. Look at Verizon they are spending alot of cash running fibre everywhere and they have no caps. I wish bell could be the big dog for once. Here the cabel co's rule. I bet the US was going to caps to because they cable companies were going to have a complete monoply with telco's struggling to get good speeds to people. But then Verizon comes alongs lays fibre out and offers data, voice and video. Now that cable companies cant get away with scammming their users. In Competive markets in big US cities alot of cable companies were offering 15/2 plan. Verizon came in and offered 20/5 for the same price. Then the cable company offered 30 mbs download. Now are you trying to tell me the cabelco is going to put a cap in. If they did they would not get any business.

In canada the cabel co's have no real fair competition. They dominate. I think bell only implaced caps on a monkey see monkey do idea. I know you are all going to say different markets but US cities arent that different from our cities.

By the way there is still no official pricing and cap info for optimax in ontario. they have only announced configs. I also dont know why the isp thinks the more they charge the more they are going to make. At some ridicoulos price like that people arent going to buy. Maybee if they made a reasonably priced plan people would buy it.

If bell wasnt struggling to get good speeds out i dont think we would be seeing these crazy prices and caps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16644340 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:10:12 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16643821 GI Suck : it just makes you wonder how many tiers an isp is planning to deploy.

ultra lite
lite
express
extreme
elite
super peon
overseer
god

for those who dont see it, the last speed is a pun, as in god speed]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16643821 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:38:59 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16643751 x0marx : I think they will keep Extreme and MAYBE increase the speeds to 8 or 9mb/s. It doesn't make sense to me why they would remove it because they know that many people won't get Elite and don't want Express because of its low upload speed. But then again, anything is possible with Rogers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16643751 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:27:18 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16643633 GI Suck : Because teddy rogers wallet isn't fat enough, thats why! :P (feel free to delete, since this could be considered as trolling)

Man, just as you think rogers couldn't get any more dumb, there's not a rumor that the existing extreme plan will be grandfathered, and that they will only offer the elite?

So now their service offer is going to be 1mbps, 5mbps, 18mbps. Now there's a frigging gap for ya!
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Just have a look at Cogeco's offerings, or even little Aurora Cable's offerings.

If they can offer packages like that, why can't Rogers? Because Rogers wants to pay down its debt for swallowing up a whole string of local cable operators, buying first the Blue Jays, and then the SkyDome, buying up CallNet, for buying out AT&T's share of Rogers AT&T wireless, for setting up an ISP on the demise of @home.

Rogers got itself into this level of debt which was excessive for its revenues, and the consumer is paying.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642900 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:31:59 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642855 anon : But the new tier / offering DOES appear to be competitive with BCE's Optimax service.

It offers roughly the same speed at roughly the same price with roughly the same overage charges.

The only difference at this point is that Optimax apparently has a cap on how much they'll charge you for overages. HOWEVER, in the initial press release that Bell put out, there was no mention of this cap. In fact, based on their initial press release, it was unclear that you would even be able to exceed the cap / pay for additional usage, or what the upload speed would be. (See: »www.newswire.ca/en/releases/arch···972.html)

...so it's unfair to suggest that by reading a few lines from an intial press release that we have a full picture of what exactly the deal is here. Only when the full terms of service are revealed when the service is launched can we accurately compare the two and see if they are competitive or not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642855 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:22:01 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642768 sbrook : A rumour that I have heard indicate that Extreme will become a "grandfathered" plan. i.e. no speed increases and no more new customers after Elite is implemented.

Rogers IS messing with its customer base by not staying competetive in terms of its offerings and overpricing its packages.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642768 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:08:30 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642722 anon : I have to disagree with the comment above.

Sure, you can say that Rogers is screwing Extreme users by pushing through a rate increase without any apparent increase in benefits / services, but that is a separate matter.

By simply offering a new tier how can they possibly be screwing you? They're not forcing you to use Elite or pay those rates.

Many people will likely think that it is too expensive / not worth it. That's their right. There are also those that will like this tier and adopt it. All the power to them.

Just because a new plan is offered and it doesn't work for you doesn't mean Rogers is screwing its customer base. Generally speaking, more choices / options are always a good thing and those that will ultimately adopt the Elite tier will be thankful that it was an option.

In the meantime, just because this new tier was offered does not necessarily mean that nothing is in the works for changes to the Extreme tier in the weeks / months ahead.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642722 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:59:09 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642407 sbrook : Snickerdo ... While strictly speaking the discussion on PPPoE is OT here, you're splitting hairs and even then, to say "BZZT, wrong" is itself, wrong.

PPPoE (strictly PPP and PPPoE encapsulation) introduces an 8 octet overhead all by itself. So, on a small packet (like an ACK packet) of say 40 bytes, the PPPoE overhead is significant all by itself. On a full packet of 1500 octets, the PPPoE overhead is small.

However, there are many encapsulations that must be performed on most ADSL PPPoE connections including MAC, PPPoE, PPP, ATM, etc. that are not included on a pure ethernet connection and are are therefore considered in a generalized way as the PPPoE overhead.

For a detailed description of the layers and overheads on a DSL connection, see this »www.oplnk.net/files/WhitePaper_E···eads.pdf

So, now to return to our regularly scheduled program of discussion of Rogers stuff. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642407 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:05:49 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642378 TFArchive : Sweet, sign me up!

Oh wait I did 715GB last month on my 2 sympatico accounts combined, guess I would be able to use the new Rogers 'leading edge' service for 12 hours.

Maybe I can order it, use the bandwidth in 12 hours then cancel and get my money back.

On second thought I'll stick with what I've got for $35 a month.

RIP @home]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642378 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:01:56 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642015 GI Suck : 3x the speed should mean 3x the cap, and the upstream NEEDS to be 2mbps minimum!. Its quite obvious that they are going to move everyone to the docsis 2 platform, there's no need to keep it to a 18:1 ratio. It should be a 10:1 ratio or better.
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said by Leathal

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PPPoE doesn't count as it has a lot more over head than cable. Cable is direct, so is dedicated ADSL..

BZZT, wrong. PPPoE does not cause the overhead on a DSL connection, but rather it is the ATM encapsulation that causes the overhead. This occurs regardless of the type of ADSL being used, be it bridged, PPPoE, whatever. You will always loose 15% of the 'actual' value on the DSLAM sync speed. The same applies to cable, but the formula is a bit different. The difference here is that Bell advertises sync speed, while Rogers, Cogeco, Shaw, etc advertise IP speed. It's not at all a big deal.
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said by HiVolt

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So let me get this straight. $100/month for 100GB cap, traffic shaping, lame email/webspace, AND they plan to charge for over usage with that flaky web usage tool? Ted's got balls.

Hey HiVolt,

I'd like you to find me dedicated ADSL with more than 100GB cap, and less than $100 per month. PPPoE doesn't count as it has a lot more over head than cable. Cable is direct, so is dedicated ADSL..

Leathal :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16641754 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:55:34 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16641477 DrkNemesis : thats a crazy price, cogeco already offers these speeds at a hell of alot cheaper prices than this. they offer it for $64.95

Im sad, i just moved form Cogeco territory to rogers, and rogers internet SUCKS! its so damn slow.
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said by Ignite

:

Over here we've followed a considerable amount of the rest of Europe in initially having some limited packages but increasingly going back to unlimited due to competition.
A few companies are putting their own equipment inside COs and offering ADSL2+ services up to 24Mbit (realistically max 22) and recently our biggest cable company removed all caps from their services to compete with these.

We had the same thing happen here a few years ago. Bell implemented caps, no one else did, and Bell had to back off. The problem now is that everyone is implementing caps at the same time, so there's no competitive edge to not implementing them. I mean, Videotron is outright pathetic, a 20Mbit/s connection with 20GB of traffic. On the plus side, Bell and Videotron are at least placing a maximum threshold on the overage charges. A $30 maximum isn't too bad to deal with if the connection is priced low enough to begin with.
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Over here we've followed a considerable amount of the rest of Europe in initially having some limited packages but increasingly going back to unlimited due to competition.

A few companies are putting their own equipment inside COs and offering ADSL2+ services up to 24Mbit (realistically max 22) and recently our biggest cable company removed all caps from their services to compete with these.

We're expecting an uncapped but shaped 20Mbit service to come soon from the cableco, and in the not too distant future our ILEC to begin rollout of fibre to the cabinet.

EDIT: Regarding the issue of websites and their bandwidth, from both home and office most websites that I use deliver 1.5MB/s and upwards, most seem to max around 2.5-3MB most of the time, even going across the Atlantic. If you guys can't sustain those speeds to US sites there's something a bit wrong somewhere. You'd hope that there's at least equivalent connectivity across the border as across the Atlantic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16641250 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 05:07:56 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16640661 Rogers1 : It is yet to be proven what Rogers is gonna do with Extreme lets wait and see.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16640661 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:05:18 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16640556 Angelo_ : look at teh pricing its insane, not like we are being paid more]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16640556 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:42:45 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16640332 mordin :

said by Kelaydi

:

I don't understand why everyone is so gung ho about bashing this new level of service. They're not taking away any old plans, they're not forcing you to upgrade. They're offering you more choice.

Here's a reason.... Rogers High Speed Extreme service recently combined the grandfathered 5 Meg customers with the new 6 Meg customers with the 5 or 7 $$ price increase. Leading speculation that Rogers was streamlining things in preparation for a speed increase. Well we can now kiss that speed increase goodbye because Rogers will say 'you want a faster service then get our new 18 Meg tier.

It's a new marketing strategy. They never have to upgrade the customer. They just keep creating new tiers above what they already offer.

-edit-
Now if they offered High at 5/6, upped Extreme to the 8/10 range with the added new service at 18 then I'd say OK but with Rogers history I can't see it happening.
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and rogers loves to screw its customers time after time.. this now seems liek a monthly basis.. seems liek rogers is going up in the world!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639975 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:59:23 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639927 anon : "You may not see the point of paying $100 for a fast 100GB when you can get a slower 100GB for only $52. You may also not see the point of paying $100,000 for a fast car when you can get a slower car for $15,000."
Umm, you forgot one thing, say the engine burned the same amoutn of gas, now you have a valid statement. And it works out against you. No point in having the fastest car, if there are limitations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639927 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:51:00 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639764 Kelaydi : I don't understand why everyone is so gung ho about bashing this new level of service. They're not taking away any old plans, they're not forcing you to upgrade. They're offering you more choice. For everyone here who complains about lack of competition, I'm surprised to see everyone get so uptight about having more choice. If you want to talk about plans they should have come out with, okay, (and you'll see there's plenty of good reasons they didn't come out with them), but this new package will be the best option for at least some people, so stop being so self-centered.

You may not see the point of paying $100 for a fast 100GB when you can get a slower 100GB for only $52. You may also not see the point of paying $100,000 for a fast car when you can get a slower car for $15,000. You may think that Rogers is pricing themselves out of the ballpark, but it's only out of your ballpark. Other people will pay. For the same reason that Mercedes makes more money than GM, Rogers Elite will have its share of customers.

Hyper, I have had Rogers home phone and Extreme for almost a year now and I've never noticed any problems with quality even when BT was completely unthrottled on 1720. It may cause problems on the neighbourhood level, but not for individual households; not that I've noticed.

xOmarx, Bell has ALWAYS required you to sign a 1 or 2 year contract to get their advertised price, and I don't think Rogers ever has...? That's the way it's been for at least the last year and a half to get Bell's 5meg service at the same price as Rogers'. Bell charges an extra $10/month for no contract. It's just one difference in their pricing structure - Bell makes you sign a contract to (almost) match Rogers' price; whereas Rogers makes you sign a contract to comfortably beat Bell's price. I wouldn't expect that to change.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639764 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:24:25 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639686 x0marx : Another thing, Sympatico Optimax requires you to sign a 2 year contract with them so I wonder if Rogers is going to have something similar or not so they can keep you as a customer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639686 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:11:57 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639640 sbrook :

said by Hyper6

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Sbrook does rogers home phone use your exisiting internetc onnection. if so i could never have it because i am always using BT and would never have the upload bandwidth to talk.

No, not exactly. It does use the cable connection which must be shared through your local node with the internet, but the phone data never travels across the public internet.

The 1Mbps upstream makes sense given that the network is not running DOCSIS 2.0 yet, let alone DOCSIS 3.0 Expect increased upstream speeds with DOCSIS 3.0 whenever that arrives.

As to pushing the limits, I don't think so ... Even with a segment size of 576 bytes (the older smaller ethernet standard which is now the MTU (Max Transfer Unit) which is a lot higher), there are about only a few bytes in response, and not every packet needs an ack ... just one every n packets defined by the timeout period. So, I think the limit is nowhere near.

The normal browsing / email prediction for residential Ethernet was considered 10:1 which included the upstream requests, acks etc. So, given the higher bandwidth requirements on the downstream, 18:1 is not a bad result for residential internet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639640 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:04:26 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639623 Solar1um :

said by HiVolt

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So let me get this straight. $100/month for 100GB cap, traffic shaping, lame email/webspace, AND they plan to charge for over usage with that flaky web usage tool? Ted's got balls.

Good resume :-(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639623 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:02:22 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639619 Hyper6 : That is true rogers basically didnt have to do anything to their infastructure to support 18mbs downstream. Atleast with bell's optimax they had to spend quite a bit. Well like other's said the people who are going to want 18mbs wont want a cap and arent going to pay 100 bucks.

We shhould be getting speed upgradesover time. why does speed upgrade means time for isp to gauge. we pay monthly fees which some should go to upgrading the network and would expect speed upgrades over time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639619 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:01:21 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639568 puzz1ed : No no no. They should all be commended because Rogers now offers the fastest service but didn't have to add any infrastucture since so one will actually buy it. :D

18:1 ratio is a bit crazy and is pushing the limits of how much upstream bandwidth a TCP stream needs in order to support the downstream data transfer. If you actual start sending real data up, that 18 down will degrade quickly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639568 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:52:07 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639474 Angelo_ : this is not a buisness service 99 dollars for 100gb cap is unreasonable and their marketing dept all should be fired]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639474 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:41:01 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639408 Hyper6 : Sbrook does rogers home phone use your exisiting internetc onnection. if so i could never have it because i am always using BT and would never have the upload bandwidth to talk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639408 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:33:13 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639362 sbrook : Mind you I'm mind blown by the number of people who hate Rogers and yet signed for Rogers Home Phone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639362 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:27:18 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639305 Hyper6 : Maybee they are going to have to get real.

The customers rogers is trying to sell this to, and the customers who are eager to get faster service are the type of users right here in this forum.

Look at their reaction.... Havent seen many saying they wouldpay for this.

Doesnt look so good.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639305 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:20:08 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16638414 sythe5 : Then I wish you luck with your network switch-over :P

I want the 18meg line because I know i can fully saturate it :)

I hope Rogers hears the critcism well and makes changes to their planned package.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16638414 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:05:17 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16638355 GI Suck : We just recently purchased it and haven't made it our default gateway yet. We currently need to plan the infrastructure change from a dual gateway design (one for local office traffic, the rest for vpn traffic) to a single pipe, with moving all of our services to the other gateways well. Everyone will be on it next month once we are done the transition phase.

There is no hardware limitation as it just a NAT router, and our provider is Toronto Hydro. You can't home service from them because they only serve the private sector business and they are well reputed.

We do get 100mbps if we saturate the line with garbage. I'm just saying that surfing to several websites and such won't yield bandwidth in your favour if you purchase an 18mbps service from Rogers. Downloading HTTP/FTP files from several sites have yet to get me over a 1MB/sec download.

Our web server is also at Peer 1 (151 front street as you mention) and we get really decent speeds off of it, but thats pretty much expected since our hardware isn't throttling traffic, nor is our site ever saturated.
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Who is providing your fibre? I would be demanding to know wtf is up with their peering if i was paying for 100meg, and only getting 10% of that from a local website (I beleive citypulse is hosted out of 151 front street, the biggest carrier hotel in Canada). 151 Peers with all of the major residential ISP's in Ontario - Rogers, Bell, Allstream, hell! even Google, are peered there. Plus is your ISP peered to TORINX? I think it's Bell, or is it Rogers? that hasnt peered with them yet. It's one or the other.

Some answers are:

1/ you are throttled to a 10meg connection
2/ your not getting 100meg
3/ your networking hardware is screwed up/setup to screw up your connection :)
4/ your connection is being utilized a lot, and so 1.4MB/sec was all that was available.
5/ your not looking in the right places to test your speed
6/ you only have a 10meg LAN card in your box... but I doubt it....

I've got a few dedicated servers, all on 100mbit cards and connections. I have them in NYC, Houston, and Chicago. I have attained constant speeds of about 5000KB/sec to a shell I rent in 151 Front Street.

The point of this is to say, an 18meg connection is easy to utilize. IPTV is almost here, and streaming is already here (video & audio). Many websites are content rich these days, and just by visiting youtube.com for example..... after watching videos for an hour, it is entirely possible for you to have burned up 50megs just in watching movie clips.

100GB really is not that much at all. If you use your connection a lot. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16637781 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:33:01 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16637763 sbrook : Throttling is to limit node congestion, not to limit transit bandwidth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16637763 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:29:58 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16637714 ender78 : There are some of us that don't reach the 100GB cap. That said, I can't see myself paying $100 for a faster service. I just don't download enought to warrant that. Since the service has a hard cap, why are the still throttling it. I would expect no throttling for a service at that price.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16637714 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:21:30 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16637542 sbrook : To Taanta Gupta

Well, with the announcement of Elite, Rogers is pricing themselves out of the ballpark so to speak.

I think Rogers needs to compare its plans with Cogeco for example.

»www.cogeco.ca/en/high-speed-internet-_o.html

to realize that Elite is ridiculously priced.

Beyond a doubt there will be people who will subscribe to Elite, but for most Extreme users today, it's not worth the money.

In fact, given that 3Web's Gold plan (which is available to a good many Rogers cable subscribers) is Extreme speed, without caps at significantly less per month than Elite, this would be the logical choice if one is willing to put up with 3Web (CIA)'s abysmal customer service. (I thought Rogers was bad, but sadly they make Rogers customer service look good!)

Her reply to my comments about the price rise were company line with nothing substantive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16637542 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:56:12 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16637366 GI Suck :

said by jackr

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It also begs the question...so you get the 18 meg service for $100 a month.
What's to stop Rogers from applying traffic shaping in the next couple of months. It never stopped them before. So now you have an 18 meg bottleneck.

Hense why I said it looks like everyone forgot to read the footnote where if you exceed 150gb, your speed will drop to ultra light speeds :P
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What's to stop Rogers from applying traffic shaping in the next couple of months. It never stopped them before. So now you have an 18 meg bottleneck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16637359 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:34:43 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16637117 GI Suck : I would subscribe almost immediately, if it wasn't for the caps. I have some money to burn, but not a whole lot if I go over.

Not only that, but its been historically known that the traffic monitoring that Rogers supplies is WAY off. Unless they finally clean up their act, I'm not about to pony up anything for them.

Hey, I wonder if the RIAA defense would work on them if I don't pay up and they take me to small claims court? Prove its my traffic!

"Your honour, Rogers would like to drop the charges"
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said by GI Suck

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I guess no one wants to start the topic on how usable this 18meg service will be.

I'm on an unused 100mbps fiber line, and the best I ever saw was 1.4MB/sec downloading a video from cable pulse news.

The only thing that this will be usable for is p2p apps.

Heck, I have Rogers 8/1 service at work, and rarely do I max out at 980-1000KB/sec which the service is capable of.
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I'm on an unused 100mbps fiber line, and the best I ever saw was 1.4MB/sec downloading a video from cable pulse news.

The only thing that this will be usable for is p2p apps.
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Find a few (well like 10) dvd-rs that you want and put them on the queue then 12 hours later your cap is done and you start being charged.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16636179 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:44:41 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16636087 x0marx : A minimum cap of 150-200GB would sound realistic for speeds beyond 10Mbps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16636087 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:30:26 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635821 anon : Who downloads at full tilt non-stop? Not many. So this equation is kind of silly.

I agree 100gigs for that level of service is to low, but unless Bell makes a change on there Optimax service, then Rogers has no reason to change either.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635821 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:50:24 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635665 LaZ3R : It's stupid to have the ability to download at 2.25MB/s and still have a 100GB Cap. WHY?

HERE'S WHY:
2.25 x 60 (seconds) x 60 (minutes) x 24 (hours) = 194400MB

RIGHT! Makes a lot of sense Mr. Ted Rogers, Make a cap for a speed which can be EASILY exceeded in less than a DAY by DOUBLE THAT CAP! WOOOOOOO!!!
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Optimax (the higher package) in Quebec, was, i beleive, $79/month? but I distinctly remember reading that there was a max overage charge of $30. so it was a 16mbps dsl service, unlimited, effectively, for $100, or $110 a month. Which to me, is a done deal. If that pricing holds here in Toronto, and if its made available where I live (high park), then I will be getting that.

Roger's statement about a 18mbps industry leading service is pure lies, and to be quite honest, they should be fined for spinning their lies and bs. But they wont, because this countries industry watchdog is too lazy/incompetent/powerless to do anything.

I would pay $120/month for an 18meg line from Rogers, with at least 250gb of useage. I'd like more upstream, but i dont really use it that much, so 1mbps upstream is fine for me. I typically run between 100 and 150 gb a month. The website bw monitor thing doesnt work for me, in fact I cant even log into the website, it tells me to call a number, which i do, and then the people on the phone tell me that they will call me back... i've tried 3 times... i'm not wasting any more time on that nonsense.

I've never had a letter for Rogers saying i've gone over yet, so maybe my bw counter is broken or something :)

The problem with me paying $120/month for a line from Rogers is this: I'm in a very, very small group of internet users.... I download a lot, and i browse a lot. I have no real use for upstream, other than to send files over an IM program, or upload something to one of my webservers.. thats it. no BT or P2P for me.

Yet why offer an 18mbps service? This is where stupid marketing people ruin companies. Rogers are rolling out 18mbps because Bell are rolling out 16mbps, because videotron rolled out 20mbps (is that right? or was it 16mbps?). Cogeco also rolled out 16mbps. It's all a numbers game. In my opinion, they forgot why they are rolling out these services in the first place, because of end user demand... but it's stupid to apply the same cookie-cutter logic to a 18mbps line as to a 6mbps line. and at $1200/year for internet ACCESS (lets not forget that Rogers pretty much dropped everything else), that is a pretty hard sell. People willing to spend that kind of coin on net access each year are going to be savy enough to know that 100gb is not enough. why get an 18meg line if all your going to do is surf? 5meg is more than enough to just surf.

Even in their statement, they said that internet useage is increaseing due changes in the way people are using their net.. music, video, telephone (Even though they throttle vonage packets...).

To sum up:

18 meg line, $100/month with a 100gb cap = useless product, and WILL NOT SELL. right now, you can get 100gb useage for about $50. Increasing your speed to 18meg is simply a profile change in your modem. it doesnt cost them much to do it, and so they are already making $50 more a month off of you before you even start. Then after your 100gb, they sting you for $1.25/month? Thats a scam, pure and simple. Stupid marketing staff that have next to no clue about anything except to lie to the public about their products.

Sorry for the rant :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635536 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:08:39 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635429 x0marx : I hope 3web will offer it at a cheaper price (and maybe uncapped?), if they do then I'm switching.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635429 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:48:40 EDT Re: WTF is Rogers thinking???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635327 Wolfie00 :

said by sbrook

:

...This way, Rogers KNOWS how much additional bandwidth they need, and can budget for it and buy it cheaper. The reason bandwidth by the GB (ad hoc) is so expensive at 1.25 per GB is that it can't be budgeted and so it may force Rogers into buying more expensive metered bandwidth to cope with the peaks.

Sounds like a good idea (which pretty much guarantees that Rogers won't do it!) :uhh:

I suspect the $1.25/GB is as much a disincentive to not use that option as it is an attempt to recoup costs. Too much traffic will still wreak havoc with local cable distribution networks which are not dynamically or incrementally upgradeable.

Look at Giganews as an example of bandwidth charges. They charge US$12.95/mo for 25GB (say about CAD$15, which is $0.60/GB) which also supports their huge Usenet server farm and free uploads. And for US$25/mo, Giganews is able to offer unlimited bandwidth -- and still make a profit. So it does seem to me that $1.25/GB is way, way too much and is basically Ted's way of saying "don't do this". ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635327 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:25:10 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635235 askywalker : I spend much of my time in Japan and can tell you the little fishing villages and mountain communities have faster bandwidth than this.

I am pleased that Canada is starting to finally make some progress on bandwidth speeds, but agree with others that this trend to have buckets of usage and overage charges is a real shame. There is a SERIOUS lack of involvement and interest from the regulating authorities in Canada, turning a promising broadband market of a decade ago into an broadband backwater.

I will most certainly buy the fastest package available. The difference in money is negligible - the Internet is very important to me, and I will always have the fastest 'simple' connection possible. Rogers is probably targetting users like myself. SOHO users are getting very commonplace - and usually their 'parent office' is paying the bills for their connectivity - so getting a fast connection to their VPN is worth it. Now with VoIP networks also connecting users home offices to their network lines, there is an additional reason to have a faster connection.

Think of all the users that have connections to their offices at home. They will SERIOUSLY benefit from a 3x increase in download speed. Of course, we NEED upload increases as well - and bandwidth caps are annoying, but primarily we need to be able to function remotely as if we were on the LAN at the office - and 18 Mbps is getting closer to that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635235 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:10:50 EDT Re: WTF is Rogers thinking???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635139 sbrook : It would make a lot of sense if Rogers offered "Additional GB bundles" as a service addition (i.e. prepaid per month ... if you don't use it, you lose it just as you lose any balance of your 100GB now).

So, say 25GB = $25, 50GB = $30, 100GB = $50, 200GB = $80

This way, Rogers KNOWS how much additional bandwidth they need, and can budget for it and buy it cheaper. The reason bandwidth by the GB (ad hoc) is so expensive at 1.25 per GB is that it can't be budgeted and so it may force Rogers into buying more expensive metered bandwidth to cope with the peaks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635139 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:50:39 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635105 GI Suck : Even though that comment was a sarcastic joke, I would still think Rogers would still go down that path eventually simply because they can. Its another technology they can exploit to give consumers what they want. Because apparently, not only do we want 100gb cap, but we also want to put under a QoS and less services as well!
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WTF is Rogers thinking???? 100 GB of usage for 18 megabits per second (Mbps)?? I get 100GB of usage for 6 megabits per second (Mbps).. Rogers SHOULD & MUST Up the usage to Match the speed to lets say 400 - 600 GB of usage thereafter $1.25 per GB]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635089 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:42:12 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635080 puzz1ed : It may be cheaper to throttle you than to endure the wrath of irate neighbours or foot the bill for an area upgrade.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635080 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:40:59 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635034 sbrook : That comment was a sarcastic joke. There was nothing in the footnotes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635034 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:33:09 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635004 anon : What rationale would they have to throttle you back after a certain GB limit if they are charging you per GB over 100?

They should be all for you racking up as much as you want at that point.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16635004 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:27:20 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16634804 GI Suck : Large companies.

I know companies like IBM give out the highest speed possible from Rogers to all of their employees for a significant discount because most of their employees work from home and travel a lot, so its important that they have very fast connections when it comes to their VPN.
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I see the service going nowhere really quickly, unless they change the cap.
Dumb idea. Again. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16634652 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:27:27 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16634558 GI Suck :

said by BayStBoi :

Where has there been ANY word about throttling back of speed after 150GB? Other than one individual's sarcastic comment that this is probably in the footnotes, there is no mention of this in the official press release, and there is nothing to this effect on the Rogers website.

There's has to be something hidden in those footnotes. You know Rogers isn't just going to stand by and let things like these slip.

Hell, they said they are already implementing these services to date, you don't think they aren't going to push it to all of their services?
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So in other words, 200GB download would still cost you $100 on Optimax, but would be impossible to achieve on Rogers, seeing as after you've reached 150GB (and paid $162.50 for that privilege), you're dropped to Ultra Lite speeds, which has a theoretical max of about 40GB for the month.

Way to go Teddy. I guess he noticed no one cares about the Jays now that they're losing again, gotta make up the attendance loss in some way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633946 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:43:34 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633918 rossco2006 :

said by Manesh

:

said by rossco2006 :

»»https://www.bethere.co.uk/
24mmbps/1.3mbps/no cap

In europe there are lots of ISPs over 20mbps with NO cap.

That was just an example.
I'm sure there are many more in other parts of europe, but I only know names of ISPs in england so that was first to come to mind. ;)
Anyway I doubt they would complain about 100gb of usage they woudld allow way more than that!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633918 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:14:25 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633864 koolin : Any hints on whats going to happen to extreme Arthur?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633864 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 03:27:05 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633820 x0marx : I see, thanks for the reply.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633820 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 03:01:30 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633784 anon : x0marx, Docsis 2.0 has been in testing for the last 6 months. The system will not be 2.0 for a long time to come. Alot of subscriber hardware must be replaced in order to accomodate this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633784 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:42:16 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633704 Hyper6 : It is to expensive they cant justify paying double what we pay know for a few more mbs.

What ever happened to the isp's customers paying there monthly fee and that money was supposed to be used to upgrade the network (improve speed over time). Why everytime they upgrade speed they charge way more. We pay or fees to them and the customer is expectingover time that they are going to upgrade the service over time. Why would they even say a 1000 GB cap? if that was true they wouldnt even bother to mention a cap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633704 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:10:46 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633695 Sunfox : Hmm, so let's see here... if you were to use your 18mbit connection at maximum rated speeds, it would take roughly 12.9 hours to use up your entire 100gb quota.

Spread over a 31 day month, that means you can use your new $100 connection for all of 25 minutes every day! :-)

Here's another thought. Do you REALLY think that they aren't going to impose the exact same restrictions/overage fees on the current Extreme tier? But probably at an 80gb or 60gb level?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633695 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:05:19 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633677 anon : I think it's a typo, they forgot a zero:

The service will have a monthly fee of $99.95 and will include an industry leading 1000 GB of usage.

Keep your 18meg service, I want my 1000 GB per month now!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633677 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:00:27 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633616 x0marx : Well, I think that's the reason why they are increasing their price for the Extreme service... so that the heavy users downgrade to Express or upgrade to Elite, either way, a win-win situation.

And by the way, any idea when they will upgrade their network to DOCSIS 2.0?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633616 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 01:42:01 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633534 Hyper6 : I just like to show how bad we are getting ripped off. I was just in the US for 1.5 weeks. same landscape as here. IN baltimore they had FiOS, toronto is a much bigger city probally would make more sense. the only reason they have a cap is because they can get away with it.

Bell still hasnt announced optimax pricing and cap info for ontario though. Weird anyone who wants 18mbs isn't the kind of user who is going to welcome a cap. GB's dont cost that much to an isp. You would think someone would offer a similar priced service with no cap. I hope 3 web resell's this. They cut costs on everything else besides your internet i am sure the will resell it with no caps. Besides 3web customers are getting switched back to there 3web servers so no more we get same caps as rogers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633534 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 01:20:57 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633304 anon : "sorry it begs the question why offer 18 megs."

Why the hell not?! Just because you or other people do not need this there are other people who do. For example a family that has more then 1 user/computer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633304 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:29:33 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633229 mordin : So they can fleece suckers that sign up for it. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633229 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:13:02 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633124 Rogers1 : sorry it begs the question why offer 18 megs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633124 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:55:56 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16633095 mordin :

said by thenay

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I'm sure Extreme will be upgraded to 9mbps or sumthin, which is good enough for me. Look at Bell Optimax, it makes more sense and i'm sure Rogers will do sumthin similar.

Why upgrade Extreme? With the new price increase the gave the customers the option of downgrading to Reg High Speed to save money. What if, once the dust settles and the 'new' service is rolled out Rogers stops taking new customer orders for 'Extreme'. Then leave anyone still on 'Extreme' at 6/800 with a 100 GB cap, throttle the hell out of the service and drop their speeds once they are over to try and force them to cancel. Don't forget...Rogers doesn't want 'power' users!
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»»https://www.bethere.co.uk/
24mmbps/1.3mbps/no cap

In europe there are lots of ISPs over 20mbps with NO cap.

As per their TOS...not exactly unlimited...

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Also the $1.25/GB fee after 100GB, I'm guessing they'll add that to other plans too? If so, I guess they won't downgrade users anymore huh? Just charge them up the rear.. lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16632596 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:38:35 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16632571 anon : In Rogers eyes "industry" is Bell and Rogers. So going by that then they are industry leading. We of course see things differently.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16632571 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:35:03 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16632511 kareshi7 : "The service will have a monthly fee of $99.95 and will include an industry leading 100 GB of usage."

LEADING is unlimited]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16632511 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:25:30 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16632407 rossco2006 :

said by Manesh :
Can someone please show me a ISP thats 20mbps with UNLIMTIED access...I know there wont be any out there....

»https://www.bethere.co.uk/
24mmbps/1.3mbps/no cap

In europe there are lots of ISPs over 20mbps with NO cap.

Doubt there's anything in north america that fast though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16632407 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:09:40 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16632082 Hyper6 : man this is a joke the way internet is going i am probally going to end up moving to th eunitted states where fios is availible. anyways rogers is getting to greedy and so are other cable isp's and something bad is going to spread but that is their own fault.

anyways my freind is enjoying his unlimited FiOS in new jersey for 50 $ a month. he gets usenet, unlimited bandwidth, and a 20/5 speed.

Amazing rip off, i dont think this 18mbs actaulyl costed them anything extra the only reason they did it is because of optimax. i really hope you guys dont become suckers and pay for this package. just google, nothing is impossible ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16632082 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:25:00 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16632063 anon : Who cares a 100 GB cap for 100 $. a joke.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16632063 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:22:10 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16632059 anon : I (we) easily fill 100 GB without torrenting because there are five of us living in the same house. We're all university students at the University of Waterloo, and we're all in engineering or mathematics.

We would be very willing to pay $30 x 5 = $150 per month for the 18 Mb connection (even with 1 Mb up, we don't care) provided we can get at least 300 GB.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16632059 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:18 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16631957 daT : LMAO...

Let me say that again... LMAO.

100 bucks, a barely noticeable change in upload stream, caps and throttling... not to mention any word about p2p (and whine all you want.. p2p is here to stay and being embraced on a global scale at the corporate level by even RIAA and MPAA)...

That is just beyond silly.

And 1.25 per GB... wonder what the markup on that is?

Have a nice day and thank you for choosing Roger$
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Simple answer. Newsgroups.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16631598 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:10:52 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16631582 anon : if you dont torrent how would you kill a 100g cap ? irc ? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16631582 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:08:08 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16631362 Snickerdo :

said by puzz1ed

:

Apparently, Cogeco raised their top speed to 16Mbps yesterday and was touting it as the fastest. It also has a 100GB limit but is a lot cheaper. Looks like Rogers just wants to top them on paper. Not many people will sign up at $99/month plus overages so they don't actually have to deliver much.

While nowhere official, the smell of 20/2 is the next logical step for Cogeco Pro, while Standard will probably be bumped to 10/1. They've maintained a 'fastest, anywhere' slogan for a while. They won't let Rogers ruin that for them. Also, Cogeco doesn't charge for overage, they just wag their finger if you upload too much.
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Like others, Express at 5mbps and Extreme at 6mbps are just too close together. Extreme should be at 9 or so mbps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16630804 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:09:03 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16630579 thenay : If the cap was 200gb i'd think about it, but at 100gb forget it. I'll stick to my 6mbps connection with the same cap. Sure its 12mbps faster but why put a ferrari on a small track.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16630579 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:34:53 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16630329 anon : Sorry -

But I don't think this is out of line.

If you look at what the ADSL resellers are paying per Gig for transit - these rates really aren't that unreasonable.

Would I like it cheaper - absolutely!

Thats why I'm sticking with EXTREME.

PHT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16630329 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:58:55 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16630287 drunkgoat : internet pricing is starting to resemble cell phone plans (not a good thing).

Maybe we will see rogers offering extra GB packages to add onto your monthly plan, sort of like buying extra minuets on your cell phone plan.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16630287 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:53:47 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16630182 anon : The pricing and overage charges appear to be right in line with what the Bell Optimax service is being advertised as, so it's not just cable companies.

As for the charge for a DVD, based on your numbers, you'd be able to download 100 of them at "no charge" based on your monthly service fee. Only over that would you start paying on a "per dvd or per GB" basis.

Some would argue that the more you use / consume, the more you should have to pay. Is that really a rip-off? Also, keep in mind no one is forcing you to move to this tier. Those selecting it would be doing so knowing what the potential charges are up-front.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16630182 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:39:33 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16630149 short09 : 1gb is a dvd quality movie rip. so those bastards are gonna charge for downloading a movie. this is just another sign of cable companies ripping off consumers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16630149 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:33:34 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16629809 Thudo : Rogers New 18mbit Account
+ 1mbit Upstream (if thats what it will be)
+ Throttled passed 100-150mb download
= Unadulterated and Absolute BS x 50 !

I have the 6mbit and am beyond happy with $45/month + its 1mbit up.. Wow.. this could turn into lackluster Rogers once more. Thank gawd for 6mbit!!!!!
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said by Makaveli998

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I think they should offer a 10mbps/2mbps service for like $59.99 and drop extreme to $39.99 at 8mbps/1mbps

Express to $29.99 at 5mbps/800mbps

And the lower speeds drop there price by 5 dollars a month.

I think that Rogers should give everyone service for free, but we don't always get what we want. They're a business, they're not in it to take a loss, they're in it to make money.

said by Makaveli998

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I wish one of those american cable providers would move up to canada, and give rogers some competition this monopoly BS is hurting internet in canada.

Blame the CRTC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16629382 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:44:14 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16629318 idlewillkill : RCN is an overbuilder in the US, I don't know that they're the incumbent cableco anywhere.
»www.rcn.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16629318 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:36:27 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16629251 anon : Can you name any area in the US that has multiple cable providers in the same jurisdiction?

Cable by its physical nature is a monopoly, so you'll never get competition in that sense. For that reason, you'd never see any US providers coming up to compete even if they were allowed to as they would have to re-wire their own cable networks throughout neighbourhoods.

The only competition can come in the form that currently exists like 3web, where the local cable company has to offer to resell their services at wholesale prices to a competitior.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16629251 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:27:15 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16629206 Makaveli998 : This is not even worth it. double the price, 200kbps more upload then extreme service, 3x the download but big deal, who is gonna use that much bandwidth, and if u do that 100GB cap will be met in a matter of days.

I think they should offer a 10mbps/2mbps service for like $59.99 and drop extreme to $39.99 at 8mbps/1mbps

Express to $29.99 at 5mbps/800mbps

And the lower speeds drop there price by 5 dollars a month.

I wish one of those american cable providers would move up to canada, and give rogers some competition this monopoly BS is hurting internet in canada.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16629206 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:22:11 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16629166 yoshisan : Lets see....YAWN! I mean come on people. Nothing is gonna be like it used to be. Its gone and over! The unlimited use of bandwidth is dead. BW is now the future cash cow.

Who'd a thunk you would pay for BOTTLED WATER!

Sad to say but true... Greed is king... :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16629166 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:16:24 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16628893 rossco2006 : It's really funny how they call that cap "Industry Leading".

In other countries in europe connections over 20mbps are common, WITHOUT caps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16628893 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:39:22 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16628555 insomx :

said by GI Suck

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I think people forgot to read the footnote.

After exceeding the 150GB invisible cap, they decrease your speed to Ultra Lite for the remainder of the billing month.

Really? Now that's stupid....

WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT OF A 18MEG SERVICE WITH A 1MB UPLOAD, AND THROTTLED?

Sorry for the caps, but that needs to be screamed as loud as possible. 18mega-bits down, 1 tiny tiny mega-bit up. Plus it is throttled, so WTF is the sense? Whoever pays 100bucks a month for that is on crack (or sells it).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16628555 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:51:58 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16628524 GI Suck : I think people forgot to read the footnote.

After exceeding the 150GB invisible cap, they decrease your speed to Ultra Lite for the remainder of the billing month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16628524 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:45:16 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16628388 puzz1ed : Apparently, Cogeco raised their top speed to 16Mbps yesterday and was touting it as the fastest. It also has a 100GB limit but is a lot cheaper. Looks like Rogers just wants to top them on paper. Not many people will sign up at $99/month plus overages so they don't actually have to deliver much.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16628388 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:24:13 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16628355 Slapnuts :

said by LaZ3R

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LMAO!!! You pay $100, and are STILL STUCK WITH A FREAKING CAP? Wow... And even then charging $1.25 for every GB after 100. I think Ted Rogers needs to officially seek mental help. That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.
I'm not even sure there is any other cable provider in North America that costs $100 and comes with a 100GB cap at that kind of speed.

Yup there is, Videotron's Extreme plus 20 meg down/ 1 meg up service is capped at 20 gigs down, and 10 gigs up. Now thats a low cap for that kind of speed:) Even sympaticos Optimax service is rumored to be capped at 75 gigs. So even though a cap of 100 gigs is still crappy with that type of speed, its still higher than what the competition is offering unfortunately.

The cost for the videotron service is 20 bucks less at $79.99 a month, but that savings will disappear quickly if you go over the cap:)

Vidéotron's network is among the most powerful, and distance has no impact on speed.
Quotas and Performance Grid Download speed Upload speed Monthly capacity
(Downloading) Monthly capacity
(Uploading)
Extreme High-Speed Internet Plus 20 Mbps 1 Mbps 20 GB* 10 GB*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16628355 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:20:48 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16628349 idlewillkill : Sympatico Optimax 10 includes 50 GB of download and upload capacity/month; $1.25 /additional GB, billed in increments of 1GB. Sympatico Optimax 16 includes 75 GB of download and upload capacity/month; $1.00 /additional GB

Edit: So if you want to take that one step further, 100 gigs a month on Optimax 10 would be $127.50, on Optimax 16 it would be $105. Optimax 16 would work out cheaper going over 120 gigs. This is, of course, assuming the pricing in Quebec holds in Ontario.
Edit again: I mis-read Rogers' overage charge to be $1.50 a gig, when it's actually $1.25 a gig.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16628349 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:20:16 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16628304 LaZ3R : LMAO!!! You pay $100, and are STILL STUCK WITH A FREAKING CAP? Wow... And even then charging $1.25 for every GB after 100. I think Ted Rogers needs to officially seek mental help. That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.
I'm not even sure there is any other cable provider in North America that costs $100 and comes with a 100GB cap at that kind of speed.
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said by HiVolt

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So let me get this straight. $100/month for 100GB cap, traffic shaping, lame email/webspace, AND they plan to charge for over usage with that flaky web usage tool? Ted's got balls.

Must be suffering from cancer if he's doing stuff this stupid!
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Scott]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16627779 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:58:17 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16627525 HiVolt : So let me get this straight. $100/month for 100GB cap, traffic shaping, lame email/webspace, AND they plan to charge for over usage with that flaky web usage tool? Ted's got balls.
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»www.newswire.ca/en/releases/arch···984.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16627342 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:41:16 EDT Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16627287 anon : source?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16627287 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:31:41 EDT [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16627277 anon : Attention News Editors:

Rogers launches fastest Internet modem speed setting for residential market: 18 megabits per second.

TORONTO, Aug. 2 /CNW/ - Rogers Cable Communications today announced plans
to launch an even faster new Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet service, which
will offer customers the fastest residential service. Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed
Elite will provide a speed of up to 18 megabits per second (Mbps) and will be
made available in Q4, 2006.
"Customers are using the Internet in more and different ways," said Terry
Canning, Vice President and General Manager, Internet Services for Rogers
Cable. Adding "Rogers will always offer customers innovative new services with
a wide range of choices and at a price that is packed with value."
The service will have a monthly fee of $99.95 and will include an
industry leading 100 GB of usage. In addition, customers of this service will
be able to purchase additional bandwidth for a charge of $1.25 per GB.
This new service will be offered in Rogers Cable service areas where the
Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Extreme service is currently available. Customers may
choose to either rent or purchase the modem.

About Rogers Cable:
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Rogers Cable Communications Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Rogers
Communications Inc. (TSX: RCI; NYSE: RG), a diversified Canadian
communications and media company. Rogers Cable's advanced digital two-way
network passes approximately 3.4 million homes in Ontario, New Brunswick and
Newfoundland, with 66% basic penetration of its homes passed. Rogers Cable
pioneered high-speed Internet access and now 35% of homes passed by its cable
networks are Internet customers while 53% of its basic cable customers
subscribe to Rogers' high-speed Internet service. With 44% digital
penetration, Rogers Cable offers a leading selection of High Definition TV
programming, a complete array of Rogers On Demand services (including Video on
Demand (VOD), Subscription VOD, Personal Video Recorders and Timeshifting
channels), and an extensive line-up of sports and multicultural programming.
Rogers Cable now offers home telephone service (voice-over-cable) to
approximately 90% of its cable territory and, combined with its circuit
switched telephony subscribers, has nearly 550,000 local telephony customers.
Rogers Cable also owns and operates 299 Rogers Video stores.
Additional information on Rogers is available at www.rogers.com.

For further information: Taanta Gupta, (416) 935-4727,
Taanta.Gupta@rci.rogers.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16627277 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:29:30 EDT