Re: Here we go again in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16636119 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:35:02 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:35:02 EDT Re: Here we go again Broadband via Power Lines wins http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16648832 fatness :
said by pinhead22 :

FCC is a blessing for Consumers and a curse for the HAMS !!!
Well that's wonderful. I've been looking for a good way to cure hams.
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said by pinhead22 :

people here can`t face the facts that BPL is here to stay and grow.... BPL will become one of the ACCESS BROADBAND pipes as well as the tool for upgrading our 120-year old ELECTRIC POWER GRIDS into a SMARTER grid... we lost so much time against other countries when it comes to VERY HI-SPEED BROADBAND TECHNOLOGY like AUSTRALIA, CHINA, ITALY, etc... these countries our trialling BPL as we speak.

FCC is a blessing for Consumers and a curse for the HAMS !!!

Texas, North Carolina, Indiana were spearheading the deployments folks... BPL with same speed upload and download using the new 200 Mbps BPL theoritical speed combining with FIBER-TO-THE-HOMES is a real blessing to America !!!

Support this technology !!!
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said by pinhead22 :

people here can`t face the facts that BPL is here to stay and grow.... BPL will become one of the ACCESS BROADBAND pipes as well as the tool for upgrading our 120-year old ELECTRIC POWER GRIDS into a SMARTER grid... we lost so much time against other countries when it comes to VERY HI-SPEED BROADBAND TECHNOLOGY like AUSTRALIA, CHINA, ITALY, etc... these countries our trialling BPL as we speak.
The US has been trialing it as well, where have you been? Other countries are ahead of us in broadband because they've been deploying DSL, not BPL. BPL is just a footnote there like it is here.

The tool for making smarter grids is here now. Non-interfering, more economical and technically feasible PLC has been around for decades and is being used successfully on a widespread basis for meter reading.

FCC is a blessing for Consumers and a curse for the HAMS !!!
Many on BBR will argue that the FCC is the core of the problem with broadband in the US to begin with. BPL is just a too little, too late solution but one that fits into political agendas and is easily hyped to the general public who doesn't know any better. Despite your glee that hams didn't get some additional requests, the FCC still committed to protect wireless spectrum and act more quickly to address interfering systems. This will be a blessing for vendors who comply with the rules and address problems and a curse for those who ignore their responsibilities.

Texas, North Carolina, Indiana were spearheading the deployments folks... BPL with same speed upload and download using the new 200 Mbps BPL theoritical speed combining with FIBER-TO-THE-HOMES is a real blessing to America !!!
Cincinnati is in Ohio, not Indiana, BTW. You conveniently forgot Manassas, VA, the first "BPL city". I don't recall North Carolina having a non-trial system with a significant number of paying subscribers. Where's a BPL customer getting anything that exceeds cable speeds using these new 200 Mbs systems? Please, show me one!!!!!! :-)

Theoretical speeds are just that, theoretical. Fiber beats BPL in spades, and so does DSL and Cable with speeds and deployments that are based in reality. Just look at the latest broadband numbers. In three or four years, BPL is still struggling to break the four digit subscriber barrier. Or should we be considering theoretical customer numbers as well?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16647957 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:29:11 EDT Re: Here we go again Broadband via Power Lines wins http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16647776 Dude111 : ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16647776 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:26:59 EDT Re: Here we go again Broadband via Power Lines wins http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16646510 anon : people here can`t face the facts that BPL is here to stay and grow.... BPL will become one of the ACCESS BROADBAND pipes as well as the tool for upgrading our 120-year old ELECTRIC POWER GRIDS into a SMARTER grid... we lost so much time against other countries when it comes to VERY HI-SPEED BROADBAND TECHNOLOGY like AUSTRALIA, CHINA, ITALY, etc... these countries our trialling BPL as we speak.

FCC is a blessing for Consumers and a curse for the HAMS !!!

Texas, North Carolina, Indiana were spearheading the deployments folks... BPL with same speed upload and download using the new 200 Mbps BPL theoritical speed combining with FIBER-TO-THE-HOMES is a real blessing to America !!!

Support this technology !!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16646510 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:13:40 EDT Re: Here we go again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16645222 RadioDoc : And, every time the FCC has decided to let "market forces" decide anything, it's ended up being an unmitigated disaster.

Just like this will be.
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said by envoid See Profile :

I think the FCC is making the market force the providers to lessen the interference. They basically don't want to mess with it, though they probably should.

It kinda makes sense, though. Let the BPL providers come out and see where they go with it. If they can't keep interference emmissions low then people complain and they get fined. FCC has more income while letting the market force the provider to comply.
Bad idea.

If the power companies think they can interfere a little bit now, they will go farther. Market forces will not help but hurt the situation when people compalin they aren't being served fast enough speeds or enough bandwidth.

Right now, the Motorola system is the ONLY one that doesn't interfere. Others do and they must be shut down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16645203 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:37:28 EDT Re: Here we go again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642984 kamm :
said by Transmaster See Profile :

Well who paid off this clown. If he were a competent engineer instead of a political hack we would not be messing with this crap at all. :mad:
Interesting: when he sides with the your (cable) industry, you never mention his political ties to the Mighty Freak Bushie or the full-fledged corruption at FCC....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642984 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:44:41 EDT Re: Here we go again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16641904 Dude111 :
said by Transmaster See Profile :

It will still be economics that will kill this trash technology.
I hope so!!!!!

We dont want to lose 1/2 the radio spectrum for this fucka garbage!!! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16641904 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:31:42 EDT Re: Here we go again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16641601 envoid : I think the FCC is making the market force the providers to lessen the interference. They basically don't want to mess with it, though they probably should.

It kinda makes sense, though. Let the BPL providers come out and see where they go with it. If they can't keep interference emmissions low then people complain and they get fined. FCC has more income while letting the market force the provider to comply.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16641601 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:06:15 EDT Re: Here we go again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639510 rf_engineer :
said by PDXPLT See Profile :

said by aggie2 See Profile :

...a single option that has had almost every trial stopped due to interference issues.
To be fair, almost all those trials were based on technology from a single supplier, one with known interference issues.
I think you're right that all of the shutdowns have involved one vendor, however there's two other vendors that have had several interference complaints, one that has been in the spotlight recently and another one that the FCC has been sitting on for a long time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16639510 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:45:24 EDT Re: Here we go again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16638078 PDXPLT :
said by aggie2 See Profile :

...a single option that has had almost every trial stopped due to interference issues.
To be fair, almost all those trials were based on technology from a single supplier, one with known interference issues.

OTOH, the BPL deployment in Cinncinati hasn't had any complaints, and Motorola's BPL has been OK as well.

I'll agree that the economics vs. the competition look real tough; e.g., 'looks like a non-starter for rural deployments, dispite what the politicians say.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16638078 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:18:25 EDT Re: Here we go again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16636740 pnh102 : Maybe this is the guy, as the OP put it, "paid this clown off."
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16636740 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:08:51 EDT Re: Here we go again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16636612 RayW : I lose power a lot. As long as the UPS (and soon to be generator) holds out I have DSL internet (as long as the power loss is the 80% that does not hit the DSLAM). If that happens then I get on the 10K (yup, 10K) dialup, if I need to.
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I'm stuck with dial-up, everyone else should be lucky they have something faster such as cable, DSL, or Fiber Optics. Stop being so damn greedy is what I say.

Though BPL "may be a new hope", it will inevitably crash. And most new services, even "long-distance" wireless (eg. WiMAX) is only going to be offered to suburban/urbab communities where there is already a wide variety of services.

I won't complain though if BPL was actually used for good, such as powering up the Rural community with faster internet. (Doubtful to happen.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16636431 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:22:21 EDT Re: Here we go again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16636322 moonpuppy :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

And they all said the ARRL should not be worried because they will keep an eye on interference issues.
Complete BS! They haven't responded to the interference issues. They have dragged their feet and will continue to do so until forced otherwise. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16636322 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:05:43 EDT Re: Here we go again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16636319 TKJunkMail :
said by guitarzan See Profile :

I truly wish BPL was up and running now, just to get a good laugh and a, see we told you that would happen, when overloaded power grids explode or do whatever they do, to place large areas in the dark for a week or so. I bet not many people would want BPL then. :D
I doubt someone would be worried very much about losing their broadband if their power was out for a week. Loss of BPL at the same time you lose power is a minor part of your problems.
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said by Transmaster See Profile :

Well who paid off this
clown.
That was my first thought, Transmaster, from reading the news topic. I guess this azzhat, has not learned to spell fiber optic, why is it, the higher the career position, the dumber these asshats become.?

With such hot weather, the power grids are at max capacity as it is now try to meet increasing demands. I truly wish BPL was up and running now, just to get a good laugh and a, see we told you that would happen, when overloaded power grids explode or do whatever they do, to place large areas in the dark for a week or so. I bet not many people would want BPL then. :D
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said by Transmaster See Profile :

Well who paid off this clown.

Then the accusation should be applied to all 5 FCC commissioners, not just Martin. Not 1 of the 5 spoke out against this ruling. And the 4 that did comment individually, agreed it was good to let BPL go forward. And they all said the ARRL should not be worried because they will keep an eye on interference issues.

I don't agree with them that BPL will become this great new broadband competitor, however. BPL will never be anything but a niche player and won't become the savior of rural broadband - the economics just isn't there.
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If you ever needed proof that he's only interested in feathering his next nest with his current position, there you have it.
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"holds great promise as a ubiquitous broadband solution that would offer a viable alternative to cable, digital subscriber line, fiber, and wireless broadband solutions"


He missed satellite. So, unless I messed up my counting, we've got 5 non-interfering options for broadband deployment (all shooting for 30% market share at least in order to remain profitable) in one corner and a single option that has had almost every trial stopped due to interference issues.

What a knucklehead.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16636095 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:31:23 EDT Here we go again http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16636064 Transmaster : Well who paid off this clown. If he were a competent engineer instead of a political hack we would not be messing with this crap at all. :mad:

I just read the MO&O and the FCC has just stepped on a bunch of toes. How ever there is one bright spot this ruling states BPL emissions have to be 20 DB below usual type 15 emission levels.

»hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···73A1.doc

It will still be economics that will kill this trash technology.

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