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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1219823"><b>lutful</b></A> : Until the Kodiak Kenai Cable Company connects their landing point (at Kenai) to the KKFL fiber sometime in Dec/06, the options seem very limited for this guy.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.home.alcatel.com/vpr/vpr.nsf/DateKey/17072006uk" >www.home.alcatel.com/vpr/vpr.nsf&middot;&middot;&middot;072006uk</A><br><br>I am afraid that some companies offering him DS3 or 10/100Mbps fiber may not have the big WAN pipe to back it up.<br><br>IMHO [desperate4DSL] could contact Kodiak Kenai directly and organize a shared tower right at the landing point so WISPs could bypass the T1/T3 or fiber local loop charges.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1222110"><b>WiFiguru</b></A> : Might want to look into getting a DS3 line(45mbit).<br>I have seen the prices as low as $2500. You might also want to contact CogentCO (&raquo;<A HREF="http://cogentco.com)and" >cogentco.com)and</A> see if they can hook you up with 100mbit(which is about $1500/month)<br><br>-Jarrett]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:36:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Sweet Witch <A HREF="/useremail/u/840866"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Below the frost level, right?<br> </DIV>Correct...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:45:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1087080"><b>rawgerz</b></A> : Well, the oil pipe line didn't fair so well above ground]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:49:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358053"><b>LLigetfa</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  McLovin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>No, I do know what I'm talking about. In Alaska, because of the extreme cold temps in the winter, cables for anything must be buried 10 feet underground at any point except for extraction. Otherwise, they get to cold and they corrode, and crack, especially fiber.<br> </DIV>They did bury the first FOTS line here but since have run thousands of miles of arial fibre across Canada and I can attest to the cold here.  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:40:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/840866"><b>Sweet Witch</b></A> : Below the frost level, right?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:08:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jjgb10 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1114265"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Are you saying they will only install the fiber in a residential area? Where did you get that the fiber needs to be buried 10 feet? Do you know how expensive that would be.<br><br>Whoever told you this does not know what they're talking about. <br> </DIV>No, I do know what I'm talking about. In Alaska, because of the extreme cold temps in the winter, cables for anything must be buried 10 feet underground at any point except for extraction. Otherwise, they get to cold and they corrode, and crack, especially fiber.<br><SMALL>--<br>Dialup is like being digitally crippled. You just can't do what everybody else can.<BR><BR><br><br>My Baby: Intel D865PERL, P4 3.2Ghz, 1024MB DDR, XFX 6800 Ultra</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:15:55 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1114265"><b>jjgb10</b></A> : Are you saying they will only install the fiber in a residential area? Where did you get that the fiber needs to be buried 10 feet? Do you know how expensive that would be.<br><br>Whoever told you this does not know what they're talking about. <br><SMALL>--<br>Check out my business: www.kmcomputers.com</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:26:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1114265"><b>jjgb10</b></A> : That's just about what I was gonna say. Like John said, the closer you are to the fiber, the cheaper it's going to be for installation. You might have a hard time trying to find where the fiber comes into town. Once you do, find a building or something as close to the fiber as possible so installation is cheap.<br><br>From there, you can use wireless ptp to get the bandwidth where you need it to go.<br><SMALL>--<br>Check out my business: www.kmcomputers.com</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:24:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : They won't do that because fiber has to be buried 10 feet underground and wire must come up next to a house by alaskan standards.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:23:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : Don't have it installed to your house. Get an "office" very close to where the fiber would originate in your area. Feed the bandwidth wireless on backhaul lins to your distribution points...<br><SMALL>--<br>A is A</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:17:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : Thats minus the fee they are going to ask for to actually lay and bury the fiber to my house.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:56:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1114265"><b>jjgb10</b></A> : $1,800 is a good price for 10mb internet. What do they want to charge for installation? Also, like it has been said, try to ask them for a lower speed to try and cut that price in half possibly.<br><SMALL>--<br>Check out my business: www.kmcomputers.com</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:39:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1344203"><b>milbrath</b></A> : I've voiced about a T1 being more than enough for the beggining. That being said, if you feel that the system will grow quick enough a 10mb dedicated connection for 1800 is not that bad, cheaper than what we are forced to pay for (2) T1's. So it comes down to numbers, can you grow quick enough to start out at that point.<br><br>BM]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/901298"><b>Semaphore</b></A> : FAR more B/W then you're going to need. Keep costs down and scale up later... you're going to need cash flow for all the OTHER things that are going to cost ya ;-). They may consider a 1Mbps VLAN with 10Mbps burst for less ?  You seriously don't need more than a couple Mbps to service 50-100 users.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:15:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : GCI is supposed to call today with info and pricing. ACS wants to lay fiber and do a 10Mbps Ethernet backbone (100Mbps burst) for $1800 a month.<br><br>Don't want to take that option really though. Thoughts?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:07:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1219823"><b>lutful</b></A> : What about TelAlaska? <br><br>Do you plan to do multi-hop backhaul from Anchorage? Your choice is very limited in Kenai at the moment. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:05:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : back in topic plz<br><br>any good backhaul providers anyone knows about? Waiting on a call from bandwidth.com]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:54:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1354400"><b>inova</b></A> : Congrats! Now you are the 'top' dog. :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/429429"><b>superdog</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  uscomputing <A HREF="/useremail/u/1147250"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Hey, when did superdog1 become superdog?<br> </DIV>About 3 weeks ago. I only had the 1 after my name because another user has used plain old "superdog". It was now available, so I switched.<br><SMALL>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wavecrazy.net" >www.wavecrazy.net</A> Join WISPA today! &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wispa.org/" >www.wispa.org/</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1147250"><b>uscomputing</b></A> : Hey, when did superdog1 become superdog?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:18:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/840866"><b>Sweet Witch</b></A> : Any term for contracts and discounts?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:16:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : Semi Official service plans:<br><br>All plans have a $100 installation fee for equipment.<br><br>Silver Pkg: 256/256 for $35/mo.<br><br>Gold Pkg: 384/384 for $45/mo.<br><br>Platinum Pkg: 512/512 for $50/mo.<br><br>I might adjust prices a teeny bit. But thats kind of it.<br><SMALL>--<br>Dialup is like being digitally crippled. You just can't do what everybody else can.<BR><BR><br><br>My Baby: Intel D865PERL, P4 3.2Ghz, 1024MB DDR, XFX 6800 Ultra</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:54:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/429429"><b>superdog</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  McLovin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>So 30-40 users at 512/512 on a single T1 shouldn't pose a problem?<br> </DIV>I would say 30 users is about right. Not everyone is going to click on a link at the same time or download at the same time. I would also limit Your upload to 256k, as that will give You a little more headroom to operate with. :)<br><SMALL>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wavecrazy.net" >www.wavecrazy.net</A> Join WISPA today! &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wispa.org/" >www.wispa.org/</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:55:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1219823"><b>lutful</b></A> : I asked around a bit and it seems that T1 and SDSL availability is extremely limited right now. <br><br>Kodiak island is being used for the US missile shield program, so there is some urgency in getting the Kodiak-Kenai Fiber Link (KKFL) completed quickly. That fiber will also extend to Anchorage.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : So 30-40 users at 512/512 on a single T1 shouldn't pose a problem?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/840866"><b>Sweet Witch</b></A> : Can't he simply have several T1 lines laid?  That will not only give the needed bandwidth but if one goes down the others can cover temporarily.<br><SMALL>--<br>The most courageous thing you can do is be honest.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1344203"><b>milbrath</b></A> : I have found that we can oversell anywhere betweem 35-40x in my area. Yours may be different. Ideally you should be able to oversell by a multiple of atleast 30. So selling 512k connections may very well handle 90 users, maybe not. Keep in mind that the larger the pipe you have the greater number you can oversell by.<br><br>BM]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  joshg409 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1198112"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>We all dream of a quiet spectrum and no competition from DSL/Cable.  You probably have both.<br> </DIV>Actually there is no competition for the area I am going to service. Phone system is on pair gain, and there is no cable in the ground, and there are a lot of houses in my vicinity.<br><SMALL>--<br>Dialup is like being digitally crippled. You just can't do what everybody else can.<BR><BR><br><br>My Baby: Intel D865PERL, P4 3.2Ghz, 1024MB DDR, XFX 6800 Ultra</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1219823"><b>lutful</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jbob <A HREF="/useremail/u/996768"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>It would only take about 27 users given 56k each to saturate(if downloading/uploading at the same time) that same T-1.</DIV>This will only be true if all 27 users phone each other ahead of time and start downloading large files at the same time from 27 different sites.<br><br>Otherwise, left to pure statistics, the 27 people on a single T1 will all think they have a 1Mbps pipe if they engage in typical web browsing, checking e-mails and only occasional file downloads.<br><br>If the poster eventually hooks up with KKFL fiber at Kenai landing point, I will suggest he consider a 10Mbps Ethernet link burstable to 100Mbps. Many smaller DSL ISPs use that sized pipe for hundreds of users.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1198112"><b>joshg409</b></A> : Yes you can do this with a T1!  Most of us on this forum have provided at least 256K service to multiples of happy customers.  We have a 4.5M Pipe that runs at 75% usage at peak times and sell connections from 256 to 1M.  A t1 is not cable or DSL as others have mentioned.  A T1 is full duplex 1.544 up and down at the same time, I can resell my T1 and I have 2 Class C subnets of IP's to assign.  I have a service level agreement with my provider that gaurantees QOS on the pipe.  I can't get any of that from DSL/Cable.  Keep in mind speed is relative as is the speed of your PC.  A cable subscriber will never dump his 3M cable connection for your 256K wireless, he/she knows what a 3M pipe can bring them.  Just as you wouldn't trash your 3.2ghz PC for a P90 with a floating point error.  A 56K dialup user won't know the difference between a 256 and 512K connection but will cry tears of joy when he sees how fast either one of them are!  What I am saying is don't sell a 512K connection right off, sell 256 to start and sell speed increases if they get tired of 256.  Sell 256K up and down and you can easily get 75-100 subs on the T1 with the right bandwidth shaper.  We all dream of a quiet spectrum and no competition from DSL/Cable.  You probably have both, start out small and work your way up.  Most T1 providers will be happy to increase your speed and add t1's when you need it, but they won't let you go down in speed or services once the contracts are signed.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jbob <A HREF="/useremail/u/996768"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I think my thinking is correct on this! </DIV>An article of interest regarding the subject:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://morse.uml.edu/~kchandra/publications/stat-mux-EOT-02.pdf" >morse.uml.edu/~kchandra/publicat&middot;&middot;&middot;T-02.pdf</A><br><SMALL>--<br>A is A</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/996768"><b>jbob</b></A> : Just thinking here but if you offer 512K (down) to users it would only take 3 downloading at the same time to saturate a 1.544 Meg T-1 right?  I think a T-1 option is great if offering dial-up service however with todays broadband speeds a T-1 is not really meant for multiple users expecting higher speeds.  Higher than 56k maybe but how much more is the expectation?  It would only take about 27 users given 56k each to saturate(if downloading/uploading at the same time) that same T-1.  To compare most cable CMTS's(or Nodes) are rated to about 30 or 40 Megs correct?  And those usually support up to around 250 maybe!<br><br>As some have mentioned I see you limited to about 10 subscribers per T-1.  And even with that your speeds are still gonna be limited.  But anything is better than 56K with only about 28k up!!!   ;)<br><br>I think my thinking is correct on this!   :hmm:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/238386"><b>Descent</b></A> : Yikes, sorry. It's just that in this day and age, 1.5mb of down speed just isn't enough in this world of gigabytes and terabytes. Granted, Wireless isn't cable, and I wouldn't expect to see any speeds over 300kb/s but 100kb/s won't cut it for most users and they will jump ship as soon as something better is available. The point im trying to make is not that a T1 can't handle 30-90 users when provisioned correctly with traffic shaping and smart bandwidth control, but the most you'll ever see is 150kb/s bursts between those 30-90 users and that's not fast at all in today's day and age. <br><br>Atleast if you had a fractional T3 or bonded T1's then you could offer 2-6mb down 1.5mb up or something along those lines :). in no way did i say I wanted the OP to get a 45mbps 10k/mo T3.<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://collegeinquiry.com/">College Inquiry.com</A><br>66.208.104.33:27015 - OutKast Clan CS Source  <A HREF="http://cstrike-planet.com"> &raquo;<A HREF="http://cstrike-planet.com" >cstrike-planet.com</A></A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  John Galt <A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  superdog <A HREF="/useremail/u/429429"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>...as most of Your decisions will have a long term effect on Your wallet.  </DIV> ;)<br> </DIV>Maybe I should invest in another wallet. I may need two....<br><SMALL>--<br>Dialup is like being digitally crippled. You just can't do what everybody else can.<BR><BR><br><br>My Baby: Intel D865PERL, P4 3.2Ghz, 1024MB DDR, XFX 6800 Ultra</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 06:20:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  superdog <A HREF="/useremail/u/429429"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>...as most of Your decisions will have a long term effect on Your wallet.  </DIV> ;)<br><SMALL>--<br>A is A</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:59:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/429429"><b>superdog</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  McLovin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Do you think that a single T1 would handle well for 30 users?</DIV> <br>Yes, it will. With the proper bandwidth management in place, 30 customers will be very happy. Just make sure that You setup a Mikrotik or M0n0wall box to watch over the traffic, otherwise the first person to open up BitTorent, Limewire etc program will <B><I>CRUSH</I></B> Your T1.<br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  McLovin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Should I step it up to a dual or triple bond T1?<br> </DIV>The rule of thumb I always follow is to only buy what You need. Prices of bandwidth are always dropping, so just getting a T1 until You need more bandwidth is the best policy, as You would be really mad if You were locked into a 3 year contract for $500 per T1 and right after You signed up, another provider could give You a T1 for $350 per line. Take Your time and think things thru, as most of Your decisions will have a long term effect on Your wallet. :D<br><SMALL>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wavecrazy.net" >www.wavecrazy.net</A> Join WISPA today! &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wispa.org/" >www.wispa.org/</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:58:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  McLovin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Do you think that a single T1 would handle well for 30 users? Should I step it up to a dual or triple bond T1?<br> </DIV>Yes...but have an upgrade path well-considered...in advance.<br><br>Don't worry about adding capacity until you get to a consistent 1MB traffic level, <I>then</I> add some more capacity.<br><br>Sure...the burst level will get there, but that is a transitory condition. The burst will "always" consume the whole pipe.<br><br>Have a plan...!<br><br> ;)<br><SMALL>--<br>A is A</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1114265"><b>jjgb10</b></A> : For a start-up, a single T1 will do just fine as most people will not be using the connection at the same time. If they are, most are not using any traffic at the same time. You just need to give each person something like 256/256 or 384/384kbps to start out with and as you add more people, add another T1. Like everybody else has suggested, you can get 50-70 user on a T1 comfortably if properly managed.<br><SMALL>--<br>Check out my business: www.kmcomputers.com</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : Do you think that a single T1 would handle well for 30 users? Should I step it up to a dual or triple bond T1?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  McLovin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>We are talking about this, and I think for the user capacity that we are going to start with (about 30 users), a bonded T1 will serve us nicely (either 3Mbps or 4.5Mbps, undecided).<br> </DIV>Planning ahead for a transition is very wise.<br><br> ;)<br><SMALL>--<br>A is A</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : We are talking about this, and I think for the user capacity that we are going to start with (about 30 users), a bonded T1 will serve us nicely (either 3Mbps or 4.5Mbps, undecided).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1219823"><b>lutful</b></A> : I will suggest that you plan ahead and work with Kodiak Kenai Fiber Link (KKFL) that will have a landing point right at Kenai.<br><br><SMALL>Alaska to Get New Cable <br>JULY 17, 2006 <br>  <br>PARIS -- Alcatel (Paris: CGEP.PA and NYSE: ALA) today announced that its Maersk Defender cable ship is about to start laying a regional submarine cable network for Kodiak Kenai Cable Company - a subsidiary of the Alaskan Old Harbor Native Corporation - in Seward, Alaska. The turnkey deployment of the new Kodiak Kenai Fiber Link (KKFL) will provide the first fiber optic connections from Anchorage and Seward to communities on the Kenai Peninsula and Kodiak Island, serving the communications requirements of approximately 60,000 citizens as well as for the Alaska Aerospace Development Corporation Launch Complex on Kodiak Island. <br><br>Designed to provide an ultimate capacity of about 1 Tbit/s, the KKFL will stretch more than 900 km with landing points in Anchorage, Homer and Kenai, Mill Bay and Narrow Cape. The project completion is scheduled by December 2006. </SMALL><br><br> ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:32:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  McLovin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I may place a cap, depending on if it becomes an actual issue.<br> </DIV>It will...you can be sure of that.<br><br>You might want to consider using a Mirkotik router to prioritize the P2P. This will allow the P2P users to DL when it is slow....and push them to the bottom of the priority list when it is busy.<br><br>Your new partner should be aware of this hardware and its functionality...<br><SMALL>--<br>A is A</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  53059959 <A HREF="/useremail/u/697933"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>oh, and also t3h sux0rz, but you could create a transfer cap. you could make like a download limit of 10gb per month, and charge extra for usage over that. that way you would discourage p2p and bittorent users. I know most power user geeks here @ bbr scowl at the idea of transfer caps, but it sounds like your trying to get internet to average joe's and small businesses.<br> </DIV>I may place a cap, depending on if it becomes an actual issue.<br><SMALL>--<br>Dialup is like being digitally crippled. You just can't do what everybody else can.<BR><BR><br><br>My Baby: Intel D865PERL, P4 3.2Ghz, 1024MB DDR, XFX 6800 Ultra</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:52:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  lutful <A HREF="/useremail/u/1219823"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Yes, he could start his mini-WISP with a T1 or even a business-class DSL from Kenai or Anchorage. <br></DIV>DSL is NOT available in any shape or form. Pair Gain sucks  :mad:<br><SMALL>--<br>Dialup is like being digitally crippled. You just can't do what everybody else can.<BR><BR><br><br>My Baby: Intel D865PERL, P4 3.2Ghz, 1024MB DDR, XFX 6800 Ultra</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:49:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : Yeah, I hope it all works out.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:47:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : I can just use the three PC's I have in the house already, and just use the Proxy software in the background.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:45:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1219823"><b>lutful</b></A> : You have found a good partner in  Skynet Inc <A HREF="/useremail/u/1324952"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>. <br>Good luck! :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/697933"><b>53059959</b></A> : you could setup a few computers to act as proxys for common web content if you have or know someone who has the expertise.<br><br>that way you don't consume a lot of bandwidth on your outgoing pipe when ppl do things like checking e-mail and pages like google and news/weather. for that small amount of users the machines don't have to be super powerful.<br><br>edit:<br>oh, and also t3h sux0rz, but you could create a transfer cap. you could make like a download limit of 10gb per month, and charge extra for usage over that. that way you would discourage p2p and bittorent users. I know most power user geeks here @ bbr scowl at the idea of transfer caps, but it sounds like your trying to get internet to average joe's and small businesses.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : UPDATE: <br><br>I'm highly considering going into partnership with a business out of North Carolina &raquo;<A HREF="http://extremewifi.us/" >extremewifi.us/</A> <br><br>Someone that knows what he is doing, so I don't get screwed over. Split profits down the middle 50/50. We are going to run a T1, and go wireless. <br><br>Serving symmetrical 512K for $39.95/month with a $100 equipment and installation fee.<br><SMALL>--<br>Dialup is like being digitally crippled. You just can't do what everybody else can.<BR><BR><br><br>My Baby: Intel D865PERL, P4 3.2Ghz, 1024MB DDR, XFX 6800 Ultra</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1219823"><b>lutful</b></A> : Yes, he could start his mini-WISP with a T1 or even a business-class DSL from Kenai or Anchorage. <br><br>We don't even know if anyone offers fractional T3 in Anchorage which also has limited VSAT coverage.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1344203"><b>milbrath</b></A> : You people are crazy suggesting a start up get a fractional T3. Here even with a three year contract a fractional T3 starts out about 8,000 per month. Does a start-up really need that, NO! Maybe he can get better rates than we can, maybe not. Look to the local telco/cable operator in a nearby town, and backhaul from there. Or start out with a T1 and wait till you need more. I'm waiting on a quote from Charter for a fiber connection, price is $125 per mb + build out costs. Way cheaper than our T1's or a T3 will ever be in this area. A T1 is a nice place to start, and he should be able to get close to or more than 80 people on it so long as they restrict/monitor usage and get a bandwidth shaper. You'd be supprised how many people a poor old T1 can really handle.<br><br>BM]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:07:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1219823"><b>lutful</b></A> : I will second the fractional T3 suggestion to go with a 2-hop 5Ghz wireless backhaul from Anchorage. <br><br>Google Earth and Delorme shows many customers in relatively flat coastal communities. This is WISP heaven.  :p]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:46:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/238386"><b>Descent</b></A> : If you're serious about doing it, skip the T1, get a fractional T3 and start your WISP off right.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:34:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/840866"><b>Sweet Witch</b></A> :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by  sporkme <A HREF="/useremail/u/168864"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><HR>How about just starting as a co-op with a few of your closer neighbors?  Start with cheap gear and carve that T1 cost up between 5-10 people...  If you like the "work" of running a tiny ISP, then expand slowly...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Not to mention once it's stable and there's good word of mouth the co-op can add more T1 lines with investors cash.  Investors can agree, by neighborhood, if they want wireless or wired and the cost of running the wires.<br><br>At $500/mo per T1 line, that's only $50 per 10 people.  Done in groups of 12 or 14, there's still some profit for the co-op.  Doing it in small groups would also help in management<br><br>I think what I would do is put an ad in the local paper stating you're thinking of starting a co-op, some basic thought of the terms and plan a meeting for all those interested.  If one person shows up, you've limited your expense to the ad.  If most of the town shows up, you can begin a commitee to get to work on doing it legally and <B>so you have no personal financial obligation</B> if it goes wrong.<br><SMALL>--<br>The most courageous thing you can do is be honest.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/168864"><b>sporkme</b></A> : How about just starting as a co-op with a few of your closer neighbors?  Start with cheap gear and carve that T1 cost up between 5-10 people...  If you like the "work" of running a tiny ISP, then expand slowly...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  inova <A HREF="/useremail/u/1354400"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>That is cool! How did you make that pic John?<br> </DIV>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.delorme.com/default.aspx" >www.delorme.com/default.aspx</A><br><SMALL>--<br>A is A</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1354400"><b>inova</b></A> : That is cool! How did you make that pic John?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  PersComp <A HREF="/useremail/u/1249536"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>That is COOL!  Do you get to pick which direction you are looking at too?<br> </DIV>Yes...I do! And elevation.<br><br>A bunch of stuff!<br><br> :p<br><br>The elevation shown in that pic is shown at 8X.<br><SMALL>--<br>A is A</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1249536"><b>PersComp</b></A> : That is COOL!  Do you get to pick which direction you are looking at too?<br><SMALL>--<br>Are these instructions or corrections???</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:14:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : F-L-A-T...FLAT!<br><SMALL>--<br>A is A</SMALL><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/16660833?c=1046920&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxNjY1NTUwOC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="390402 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=450 SRC="/r0/download/1046920.thumb600~1848143dfc65def85acec0895ea40a8b/KENAI_SURROUNDING_AREA_01.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:05:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1249536"><b>PersComp</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  lutful <A HREF="/useremail/u/1219823"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  PersComp <A HREF="/useremail/u/1249536"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><br><br>RM doesn't seem to like that area..... It seems to think the land ends right below Skilak lake.   :huh:</DIV>RM is fine ... there has been very few Shuttle missions recently to update some gaps in SRTM elevation data.<br> </DIV>Well, let's call someone and get a shuttle in the air! For the sake of wireless propogation, we need data!!!  ;)<br><SMALL>--<br>Are these instructions or corrections???</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:50:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  PetePuma <A HREF="/useremail/u/644121"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>You will be sharing that amongst everyone.<br> </DIV>You can allocate as much or as little bandwidth as you wish to each user on a per user basis, or create groups (like "basic" and "premium") with different bandwidth characteristics and assign users to those groups.<br><br>There are many ways to manage your bandwidth...<br><SMALL>--<br>A is A</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:27:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1219823"><b>lutful</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  PersComp <A HREF="/useremail/u/1249536"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>RM doesn't seem to like that area..... It seems to think the land ends right below Skilak lake.   :huh:</DIV>RM is fine ... there has been very few Shuttle missions recently to update some gaps in SRTM elevation data.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:23:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/644121"><b>PetePuma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  McLovin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>The way I understand it is, that every IP that is attached to the T1 gets 1.544Mbps, not the whole line (i.e. 1.5 Mbps Cable/DSL). <br> </DIV>Also wanted to clear this up: you are wrong; it is EXACTLY like Cable/DSL.  The pipe is 1.544, regardless of the # of IPs.  You will be sharing that amongst everyone.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:15:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1249536"><b>PersComp</b></A> : RM doesn't seem to like that area..... It seems to think the land ends right below Skilak lake.   :huh:<br>That was why I thought the coordinates were in the middle of the bay.  I didn't lay a Mapquest over the topo when I looked after getting the coordinates so it just looked like water.  I'll see if I can figure out any other way to get some topo data in RM...<br><SMALL>--<br>Are these instructions or corrections???</SMALL><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/16660194?c=1046885&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxNjY1NTUwOC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="34066 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=448 SRC="/r0/download/1046885.thumb600~191c207eca9098d4b3db3796ebf852de/Desparat4DSL.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:43:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1219823"><b>lutful</b></A> : If you install a short tower, you can serve many neighbourhoods around you, but it will be best to use the 190ft high ridge (King Salmon, Ridgetop) for the PtP link.<br><br>Can you get T1 line (or even business DSL) at Kenai? That may be a good start to your WISP.<br><br>Later, you can explore a 2-hop backhaul from Anchorage. You can also use dedicated VSAT as the backhaul, but monthly cost will be higher than T1.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/16660071?c=1046871&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxNjY1NTUwOC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="84267 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=646 SRC="/r0/download/1046871.thumb600~e200799801f7b770763bb48b6922808d/alaska_salmon.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/16660071?c=1046872&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxNjY1NTUwOC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="49364 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=555 HEIGHT=470 SRC="/r0/download/1046872~bb6e7cd5adea66c36e089fce0850e7e2/alaska_anchorage.jpg"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:24:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  PersComp <A HREF="/useremail/u/1249536"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>In the bay near Anchorage, Alaska?????<br> </DIV>Yeah, about 150 miles south of anchorage, in town call Kenai.<br><SMALL>--<br>Dialup is like being digitally crippled. You just can't do what everybody else can.<BR><BR><br><br>My Baby: Intel D865PERL, P4 3.2Ghz, 1024MB DDR, XFX 6800 Ultra</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:58:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1249536"><b>PersComp</b></A> : In the bay near Anchorage, Alaska?????]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:38:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : 60N 32' 9.82"<br>60.53606<br>6,712,600.0<br><br>151W 06' 56.05"<br>-151.11557<br>603,400.0]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:27:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : Post your lat/long...<br><SMALL>--<br>A is A</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:48:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : I probably won't. I'm just tired of this dial up BS. I'm ready for something better.<br><br>SUCKS!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:45:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1087080"><b>rawgerz</b></A> : Yeah unless you have lots of time and want to make this into atleast a part time business don't pursue it. wireless is more complex than a simple land line. plus your forgetting that radios are $100-500 depending on what you get, antenna's are about $50 each, LMR cable is not very cheap, etc. You also don't realize that you have to manage this ISP, if just one person uses bittorrent with out any limitations set in place by you they can bring everything to a crawl.<br> + you have to be allowed to resell the T1<br><SMALL>--<br><I>"Hows your French toast?" "Smelly and ungrateful, but this AMERICAN toast is great!"</I></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:29:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : (Thank you Mods for moving this)<br><br>The way I understand it is, that every IP that is attached to the T1 gets 1.544Mbps, not the whole line (i.e. 1.5 Mbps Cable/DSL). I figure only 50-100 houses would go for this route, after equipment and stuff, I would have to charge at least $60/month.<br><br>Anymore ideas?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:48:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/252964"><b>MrFixitSC</b></A> : a full T-1 cicuit is 1.544 Meg up and down... I believe you need line-of-sight to every potential subscriber for it to work as well..]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:18:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/556739"><b>LBDSL</b></A> : Thousands of people think of this all the time, You may want to read, and ask for info here: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/wisp">Wireless Service Providers</A><br><br>A well managed network can have 75-125 users on a single T1<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://LBTech.com">Lightning Bolt Technologies</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:17:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/502502"><b>n1zuk</b></A> : I don't think you will be running that many users off a T1.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:15:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217705"><b>McLovin</b></A> : OK, Here is my epiphany,<br><br>Those who know me, know that I've been desperately trying to get our telco to get us off of pair gain and get DSL out here. Which is very feasible considering there are about 400-500 homes in the vicinity, and all are on pair gain.<br><br>So, talking to a buddy of mine, who happens to be a tech for this company (I'm not going to mention a company name, but from this point on, said telco company will be referred to as "Smegma", due to my vast hate toward their operations (and their retarded slogan "We're there")), I was talking to him and he said Smegma has T1 offers for about $500/month. So I figure, if a get a T1 from Smegma, have it run to my garage, get all the necessary hardware to run a wireless ISP (similar to Clearwire) out of my house. I seriously have about 500 neighbors, all without broadband (some may have satellite, but who can really call THAT broadband?), would it seem worth the cost?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:07:34 EDT</pubDate>
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