| NO soup for you. Of course they shouldn't get a discount. The mac user knew before he bought his mac that 99.999999999999% of the worlds software wouldn't work on his computer, and now they want a discount? You do NOT get a discount. You can still have the software which will run on any pc. |
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| Guess the millions of Apps for the Mac don't count? Nor to mention that there are lots and lots of Apps that don't work on Windows too.
And, FYI with an Intel Mac, you can run 100% of Mac, Windows, and Linux software. Your Windows box can't say that.
Nice try, though. Can I suggest some edcucation before you open your flapper? |
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Ahrenl
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North Andover, MA | Thanks resident MAC defender.. actually OS X emulators for PC's have been available for years.. Glad you MAC guys finally caught up though! One of the bonus's of running a PC though, is you don't have to emulate anything because everything worth using is ALREADY WRITTEN for Wintel. That's the benefit of 98% market share. |
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hiatus | said by Ahrenl:One of the bonus's of running a PC though, is you don't have to emulate anything because everything worth using is ALREADY WRITTEN for Wintel. Nope... There is a great deal of software that wasn't ported to Wintel...
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Tell me again, why would I even want to run Mac software?
These machines will run XP("Designed for Microsoft Windows XP") and any Linux if I were to want to run it.
If you want to use a Mac, that is/was your choice.
No need to start crying about software, especially that crap being offered for free from Comcast to run on your Mac!
I don't want that s*** on this machine, why do you want it on your Mac? 
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Thanks resident MAC defender.. actually OS X emulators for PC's have been available for years..
Yeah, I have a copy of PearPC. Dog slow and development has all but stopped.
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One of the bonus's of running a PC though, is you don't have to emulate anything because everything worth using is ALREADY WRITTEN for Wintel. That's the benefit of 98% market share.
Like those softwares mentioned below? Or iPhoto, which I use to manage my photos? Nothing worthwhile lie that on the PC (except Lightroom, which JUST got ported to the PC).
And, Windows does not have 98% marketshare.....
Mac ~ 4%
Linux ~ 4%
Others ~ 2% (There is some odd stuff floating around out there on Intel boxes)
That right there means Windows is ~ 90%.
Plenty of software won't run on Windows.....
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Tell me again, why would I even want to run Mac software?
Cause most of the stuff that's for it is best of class:
Aperture, the iapps, Keynote, Omnigroup apps, Dashborad (although Yahoo Widgets are cool). Adium, etc. I use both platforms and PC software on average is not as good as most Mac stuff.
Look around, there are plenty of great apps that are Mac only.
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I don't want that s*** on this machine, why do you want it on your Mac?
I don't. But I also don't like subsidizing the cost of this with my subscription. |
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said by bmn:Nope... There is a great deal of software that wasn't ported to Wintel... LOL! I'm so disappointed that Mac Paint wasn't "ported".. oh, the humanity! 
Good thing I can play just about every game title ever released for anything on my PC to distract me from the grave Mac Paint situation.
It's funny thing about those Mac vs PC ads... they don't mention games at all. I wonder why that is?
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Cause most of the stuff that's for it is best of class
says you. that's really a matter of opinion. however, I will say that the enterprise environments I've worked in didn't have one Mac. Funny that. |
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says you. that's really a matter of opinion. however, I will say that the enterprise environments I've worked in didn't have one Mac. Funny that.
Says me and most reviewers. They always praise the iLife suite and the other apps that come with the system.
The enterprise (I work in one too, managing the servers) would rather have the cheap POS solution (Windows) that costs the most in the long run (Windows) vs a more expensive solution up front that has a lower TCO (Anything else). We have no Macs, but guess what? I don't care - businesses rarely buy the best of anything. We also use GM as our fleet automotive supplier - the worst of the worst.
Also most enterprises don't use Windows where reliability and performance count. I know we don't trust our business to run on Windows.... So what does that say about Windows?
The only ones that say Windows has a low TCO is Microsoft... |
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"that's like, your opinion, man".
and...that's where I cut out to let you argue with yourself about how great Mac's are in YOUR corner of reality. you think they're great...that's just FABULOUS for you. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to itguy05
Actually according to this: pcversusmac.com/pcandmac_marketshare.htm
It's just over 2%, you did gain .02% from last year though! But you probably count yourself twice because you use a Mac and they're so superior.
I'd love to see somewhere that says Linux has a 4% market share, last I heard it was around 0.5%.
I have frankly never heard of any of the software titles you listed. Therefore I can surmise, they are not of use to what I utilize a computer for. (Since then I would have heard of them)
Let me repeat, I'm not saying Mac's are useless, they must be better at somethings then other computing systems.. But there's a reason 95% (I did that just for you) of everyone use Wintel (or clone competitor) based systems. It's not the free chocolate cake.. |
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said by tomj1226: The mac user knew before he bought his mac that 99.999999999999% of the worlds software spyware, adware, viruses, trojans, and bots wouldn't work on his computer Fixed it for you.  |
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Actually according to this: pcversusmac.com/pcandmac_marketshare.htm
It's just over 2%, you did gain .02% from last year though! But you probably count yourself twice because you use a Mac and they're so superior.
I'd trust Gartner or IDC over some guy with a website. And the last numbers said just what I said. |
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The company you so ignorantly defend locked their OS to ONLY Apple-built hardware. That's one of the most un-innovative things you can do, and the main reason (since it is infact locked to expensive crApple hardware) you don't see it running on PCs all over the place, and why it's unsuccessful, especially among gamers [assuming we ignore the lack of titles, the notable exception being Blizzard games]. I can't go down to Fry's, pick up $1,000 worth of decent gaming hardware, throw it into a case, and install OSX. I have to pay Apple $4000 if I want that.
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
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said by itguy05: quote:
Actually according to this: pcversusmac.com/pcandmac_marketshare.htm
It's just over 2%, you did gain .02% from last year though! But you probably count yourself twice because you use a Mac and they're so superior.
I'd trust Gartner or IDC over some guy with a website. And the last numbers said just what I said. Well, according to MacNewsWorld their market share in 2005 was 1.9%. So that's even lower. I did find some links to articles mentioning how Gartner and IDC wrongly count non-Mac systems as Mac's, but since I didn't want to spend $3,500 on the IDC report, I figured this VERY biased Mac website would have it close to right. (In fact it states that by 2008 IDC FORECASTS growth to market share of 3.7%. So you're busted)
»www.macnewsworld.com/story/51124.html
Here's another pro-apple site with the Gartner data for 2Q that says market share SLIPPED to 2.0% for apple. WTG. (It does say US share is 3.6%, maybe you decided to narrowly quote that?)
»www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1781
One thing can be said about Microsoft, and that's they spend most of their money on R&D engineering (not counting what they give back to their shareholders). Apple, you'll be sad to see, is basically a high tech marketing company, that makes most of their money from selling... ready.. music. Rock on! |
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Strange because the most part the computers and networks I have had the pleasure to deal with were very reliable, secure and stable.
Of course if you are an idiot and have no idea what you are doing then you tend to have problems. I find most people who scorn windows etc have this problem. They are to stupid and lazy to help themselves and one day maybe if the Mac platform increase to double digit market share these idiots will also kill your precious OSX. Fortunately for now these computers are priced out of the range of most normal people which is so far a saving grace. |
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said by WileEC:said by bmn:Nope... There is a great deal of software that wasn't ported to Wintel... LOL! I'm so disappointed that Mac Paint wasn't "ported".. oh, the humanity! Good thing I can play just about every game title ever released for anything on my PC to distract me from the grave Mac Paint situation. It's funny thing about those Mac vs PC ads... they don't mention games at all. I wonder why that is? Well, if all you are concerned about is games and Mac Paint, that might be true...
If, however, you do enterprise level work, heavy duty computing or clustering work, Wintel seriously blows chunks. Microsoft has dumped millions into clustering technologies and no one is buying it cause it sucks compared to offerings like TruCluster (from the vanishing Tru64 OS), features in Solaris and Beowulf (and others) on *nix... Their attempts at high-availability are only reaching where HA computing was back in the late nineties...
BTW, you can now play all of your previously PC-only games on Mac since Mac will run both OS X and Windows natively. So the argument that Macs have no games is dead.
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said by Ahrenl:I'd love to see somewhere that says Linux has a 4% market share, last I heard it was around 0.5%. With respect to the 0.5% market share for Linux... That might be true on HOME desktops, by I can assured you that its much higher than that... Especially when you consider that most of web, FTP, IRC and DNS servers on the net are Linux, UNIX or some other variant...
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North Andover, MA | *nix definitely dominates the server / back-office markets. Since we were hashing out (again) the age old argument of MS vs. Apple though, I was leaving those markets out. Although MS does have server products, I hear they are really sub-par.. |
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said by bmn:Well, if all you are concerned about is games and Mac Paint, that might be true... If, however, you do enterprise level work, heavy duty computing or clustering work, Wintel seriously blows chunks. Microsoft has dumped millions into clustering technologies and no one is buying it cause it sucks compared to offerings like TruCluster (from the vanishing Tru64 OS), features in Solaris and Beowulf (and others) on *nix... Their attempts at high-availability are only reaching where HA computing was back in the late nineties... BTW, you can now play all of your previously PC-only games on Mac since Mac will run both OS X and Windows natively. So the argument that Macs have no games is dead. I believe you are essentially incorrect. Using the emulators such as "Parallels" (which is what Apple advertises and recommends), you absolutely could not play any modern 3D game. That leaves you with Boot Camp. And what's the point in that? You're telling me that a person should spend money on overpriced, inferior hardware-equipped Intel Mac just to end up installing Windows XP to run games? Count me out. What a silly waste of money... and let's face it, the majority of Mac users will not be doing this. Most Mac users I know can't see past their pretty "glass" OS gadgets to know how to do anything useful - no less partition their hard drives and install Windows XP... HA! What a laugh riot! Then there's the little problem in that unless you pop a better graphics card in the majority of those Intel Macs, and those smaller Macs won't let you do that, you won't be playing much anyway. Yah, good luck with that.
Second, this conversation is with regard to desktop operating systems... bringing up rhetoric about enterprise work and clustering is irrelevant.
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