My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista??? in Computer Hardware Discussion/Reviews http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16678975 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:00:43 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:00:43 EDT Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16686327 elios : Martinus
Vista asumes you have only one HDD with one partaion as most lower end PCs have
Vistas adviser and system test stuff is flawed ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16686327 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:26:53 EDT Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16686185 novaflare :
said by Kilroy See Profile :

said by floydb_1982 See Profile :

So your saying that 5,400 RPM is just as fast as 7,200 RPM???
It depends on what you're using it for. For short reads and writes that isn't any real difference. Where you'll see the difference is in long reads and writes. After you're booted odds are you won't notice the difference. Most laptop drives are 5,400 RPM.
Ive had both in fact still do have both. You can tell the difference any time your computer is making use of the swap file. A large part of windows on my comp for example runs in virt mem aka swap file. But many programs will also make use of the swap even when you have more than enough ram to not use swap file. Then theres the fact that as you can tell many people are in to digital imaging (just need to look at the forum here for digital imaging). 3d art is another place where hd speed will help. DVD encoding ripping cds and mp3 encoding etc.

I suppose if all your doing is web and email chat etc then no you will not notice. But that is only a few % of the population.
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said by Octavean See Profile :

Vista Premium Ready PC OS install HDDs must be 40GB or larger (15 GB free space) as a minimum requirement.

Perhaps you should run the “ Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor Beta “ and perhaps do a little research over at the official Vista Home page. No offence intended but the info is just there for the taking,….no need to ask.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16684073 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:18:26 EDT Re: SLOW... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16683510 signmeuptoo : floyd, you will find that many, if not most of us, have at least 2 actual hard drives. The reason: One drive serves as the host for the bootup/OSs, the other for files that we want to keep between installs, because you don't have to reformat such a second drive for it to work with a fresh install, at least not until FAT/NTFS is abandoned, that is...
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said by asdfdfdf :
At this point floydb no one should be in the market for upgrades in preparation for vista. It continues to be delayed.

Wait until it is released and then base your decisions on the actual performance levels of the final code. Then you can upgrade as you need to at the best price available at the time.


Basically, I agree with this sentiment. However, if floydb_1982 wishes to run a Vista beta build now it is something of a concern now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16682068 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:53:07 EDT Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681601 anon : At this point floydb no one should be in the market for upgrades in preparation for vista. It continues to be delayed.

Wait until it is released and then base your decisions on the actual performance levels of the final code. Then you can upgrade as you need to at the best price available at the time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681601 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:49:23 EDT SLOW... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681307 Jerm :
said by floydb_1982 See Profile :

1) Maxtor DimondMax 16
Formatted capacity: 120 GB
Average seek time: ¡Ü12.6 ms
Rotational speed: 5,400 RPM
2MB cache buffer

I have that exact same Maxtor you list - and its dog slow for speed. Its one of the very first 120GB drives, and performs more like an old 40GB :(

Go pick up a perpendicular SATA 320GB for $90 @ newegg and the speed difference will be amazing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681307 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:09:42 EDT Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681164 Octavean :
said by Martinus :
That's probably based on MS's assumption that you will have your page file and your temp dirs in your system drive - that's the standard setup and few people change that -.


I was under the impression that the 40GB/15GB free reference was for installation purposes not necessarily a daily operating environment but I wouldn’t bet the farm on that. Today I wouldn’t typically run a 40GB HDD instead opting for 120GB and above.

said by Martinus :
Now, I have not installed Vista, but since the times of W2K and later on XP, I always move the page file to the first partition of a fast second HD. Temp dirs also go there. I hope - actually, I guess - you can do that in Vista too.


I have run windows XP in such a configuration before but haven’t tried it in Vista.

said by Martinus :
I really don't think having 15 GB or 5 GB free on your system partition will make any difference in performance.


I wouldn’t bother making much of a distinction between 15GB and 5GB free space, I’m certain that I wouldn’t want to run with either if it could be helped. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16681164 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:50:52 EDT Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16680942 Martinus :
said by Octavean See Profile :

I don’t doubt that, that’s why for specificity I stated “Vista Premium” with respect to 40GB or larger (15 GB free space) according to MS.
That's probably based on MS's assumption that you will have your page file and your temp dirs in your system drive - that's the standard setup and few people change that -.

Now, I have not installed Vista, but since the times of W2K and later on XP, I always move the page file to the first partition of a fast second HD. Temp dirs also go there. I hope - actually, I guess - you can do that in Vista too.

I really don't think having 15 GB or 5 GB free on your system partition will make any difference in performance.

Edit: According to the MS Vista advisor, you'll probably get a higher score with a 5400 RPM Maxtor with 50 GB free space than with a 10.000 RPM Raptor with 5 GB free space. That sounds strange to me.

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Vista core or Vista Capable differs somewhat from Vista Premium. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16680863 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:59:37 EDT Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16680789 Luko : Vista has been installed on a 20gig drive. Least the Beta 2 public release fit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16680789 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:49:17 EDT Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16680660 signmeuptoo : No, I am saying until you can speak with full authority on things, just be careful making blanket statements.
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Perhaps you should run the “ Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor Beta “ and perhaps do a little research over at the official Vista Home page. No offence intended but the info is just there for the taking,….no need to ask. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16680522 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:08:34 EDT Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16680405 ccallana : To answer most questions -

If you are upgrading to Vista - if you didn't purchase your computer within the last year or 2, I would consider an upgrade.

Its a serious resource hog, especially if you want to use their "best" new UI. For the most part, even a 5 year old CPU will probably be fine, but a system of that vintage is unlikely to have enough memory, or a fast enough video card.
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Hard drive speed is the number one factor. Of course a duel cpu setup, shotgun ram and duel vid cards help a bit.

I overclock too but shoot for stability and know what I'm doing.

Horsepower is; what it is.

Slow computers are slow, fast computers are fast.

I want my appz and browsers to spring into life the moment I click on an icon.

Fast hardware works great on an OS.

Best Wishes

PS Some will not agree with my viewpoint but it really doesn't cost much to stay close to the leading edge.

If your spending time on a computer, make the most of it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16680128 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:06:02 EDT Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16679444 CylonRed : All of them are big enough - Vista does not care about the speed of the drive - that is up to you...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16679444 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:53:27 EDT Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16679118 floydb_1982 : I'm turning my 300 GB USB hard drive in to one huge Windows Media Audio library database]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16679118 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:49:23 EDT Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16679101 Kilroy :
said by floydb_1982 See Profile :

So your saying that 5,400 RPM is just as fast as 7,200 RPM???
It depends on what you're using it for. For short reads and writes that isn't any real difference. Where you'll see the difference is in long reads and writes. After you're booted odds are you won't notice the difference. Most laptop drives are 5,400 RPM.
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There are 15,000RPM drives out there, heck, there might even be 20K RPM drives by now for all I know, but they are probably just SCSI drives.
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As to your question, yes they are fine. 5400 RPM is a little slow, but they will still work.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16678995 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:35:31 EDT My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16678975 floydb_1982 : My computer use's three hard drive's;

1) Maxtor DimondMax 16
Formatted capacity: 120 GB
Average seek time: ¡Ü12.6 ms
Rotational speed: 5,400 RPM
2MB cache buffer

2) Wester Digital Caviar® SE
Rotational Speed 7,200 RPM (nominal)
Buffer Size 8 MB
Average Latency 4.20 ms (nominal)
Contact Start/Stop Cycles 50,000 minimum
Read Seek Time 8.9 ms
Write Seek Time 10.9 ms (average)
Track-To-Track Seek Time 2.0 ms (average)
Full Stroke Seek 21.0 ms (average)
Cylinders 16,383
Sectors Per Track 63
Formatted Capacity 200,049 MB
Capacity 200 GB
Interface EIDE 100 MB/s
User Sectors Per Drive 390,721,968

3) External USB 2.0 Fantom
Capacity 300 GB
Rotational Speed 5,400 RPM
Interface USB 60 MB/s

Are my hard drives Windows Vista ready???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16678975 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:19:58 EDT