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| Abundance of stupidity ! The media as usual playing to the hearts of the braindead Pirates, takes aim at the RIAA for properly enforcing copyright law and pursuing criminals who steal. With any luck the RIAA will take these Pirates to court and have a $10,000 fine imposed for each and every illegal file transfer. Just because a family member dies while a criminal is robbing a bank, doesn't make the criminal any less of a criminal.
The IT news sites with their political support of Piracy need to buy a clue because it's only gonna get worse for the Pirates and those who support criminal activity. |
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 vpokoPremium join:2003-07-03 Boston, MA | Unregistered, full of rhetoric... I smell my first troll today! |
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Re: Abundance of stupidity ! Arggh. Not a pirate! |  This be a pirate. | | |
said by Trybuyingaclue :
...With any luck the RIAA will take these Pirates to court... Argg, matey, I don't believe you know what a pirate be. -- That Snows the Goat |
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| reply to Trybuyingaclue hey taylor, how goes it? 
Can you tell me how these "properly enfocring copyright law and pursuing criminals who steal" is considered the same as someone who went and robbed a bank?
The last time I checked the people who OWNED the bank did not make the rules on how long or what type of punishment?
Yea I know that file sharing is wrong but come on! You're saying you would side with the media industry who makes the products, makes the laws, and sues the people who breaks them?
Copyright is all good and fair but when it comes down to it they are nothing more than a bunch of old, overgrown, sadistic bastards that have their deep sticky fingers in the judicial system as well as all of hollywood.
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 | reply to Trybuyingaclue I was wondering how long it would take until everyone's favorite RIAA-supporting troll popped in here.
Taylor, I always find it fascinating that you automatically assume that the people that the RIAA is suing are guilty. Did it ever cross your mind that the RIAA might make a mistake? Like with the granny allegedly downloading rap who didn't even have a PC to run the software they claimed she was running?
I don't support piracy. I think that people shouldn't be uploading music unless they have the express permission of the artist to do so. However, I also don't like the RIAA's tactic of suing everything that moves and all but forcing people to settle regardless of whether they are guilty or innocent.
Oh and as for your bank robbery analogy, a proper analogy would be "if someone dies after being arrested (but before being tried) for bank robbery" and in that case the case is dropped.
It was only after Mr. Scantleberry passed away that the RIAA claimed that other people in the family might have been the real uploaders and only in their final statement did they point the finger at his stepson. Before that, they were planning on continuing to sue a dead man. Legal to do so? Possibly (in a civil, not criminal case). Good PR while doing so? Definitely not. |
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 | said by Jason Levine:It was only after Mr. Scantleberry passed away that the RIAA claimed that other people in the family might have been the real uploaders and only in their final statement did they point the finger at his stepson. Before that, they were planning on continuing to sue a dead man. Legal to do so? Possibly (in a civil, not criminal case). Good PR while doing so? Definitely not. Mr. Scantleberry had admitted that the infringer was his stepson, So there was a copyright infringer here. RIAA may not be loved but they had a guilty person in this case. And for whatever reason they dropped the case, the guilty person gets a pass. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page |
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 vpokoPremium join:2003-07-03 Boston, MA | said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Jason Levine:It was only after Mr. Scantleberry passed away that the RIAA claimed that other people in the family might have been the real uploaders and only in their final statement did they point the finger at his stepson. Before that, they were planning on continuing to sue a dead man. Legal to do so? Possibly (in a civil, not criminal case). Good PR while doing so? Definitely not. Mr. Scantleberry had admitted that the infringer was his stepson, So there was a copyright infringer here. RIAA may not be loved but they had a guilty person in this case. And for whatever reason they dropped the case, the guilty person gets a pass. And did Mr. Scantleberry admit that it was his stepson under oath, in a deposition, or did he just happen to mention it to a RIAA lawyer? Heresay is not evidence. |
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 | reply to Trybuyingaclue Hiya Taylor! Have you seen the new Superman movie yet? It's was okay. Not at grand as they hyped it out to be, but still worth matinee price. I'm putting my money on the Pirates of the Caribbean sequel to be a fun movie to watch. Have you seen that one yet? |
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 | reply to fAcEtIOUs I find it odd that in their "60 days to grieve" motion, they still claim that he was the infringing one (now they claim he didn't do it but it was his stepson). They only mention that others may have been involved without naming names.
Here is their exact wording about "others involved":
2. Prior to Mr. Scantlebury's passing, Plaintiffs believed that there was potential to resolve the case. While at the time of Mr. Scantlebury's death, he had not responded to Plaintiffs' discovery (he had asked for and received extensions), he had indicated that others, in addition to Mr. Scantlebury, were involved in the infringement of Plaintiffs' copyrights.
So from that statement, Mr. Scantlebury hadn't really responded to them but gave them reason to suspect that other people might have been involved. That could be something as innocuous as saying "I didn't do it. Maybe someone in my family did. I'll have to ask my stepson."
Yet from the RIAA's latest statement, Mr. Scantlebury admitted to them that the infringer wasn't really him, but his stepson.
We can't cross-examine the dead, so we only have the RIAA's claim that Mr. Scantleberry had fingered his stepson. Does the RIAA have a recorded statement? Do they have any proof other than "the dead guy told us before he passed away"? If they don't, then they don't have a case, know it, and decided to drop it before they get any more bad publicity. |
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 | reply to vpoko said by vpoko:And did Mr. Scantleberry admit that it was his stepson under oath, in a deposition, or did he just happen to mention it to a RIAA lawyer? Heresay is not evidence. Evidence is in the realm of the courtroom. These cases are in the court of public opinion and in behavior modification of the copyright infringers. And evidence isn't needed for that. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page |
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 vpokoPremium join:2003-07-03 Boston, MA | Excuse me, but they were persuing a LEGAL ACTION, not a PR campaign against this guy. They claimed he told them his stepson downloaded illegal music, but they could be lying through their teeth... that's what I get out of this "in the realm of public opinion". |
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 Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium join:2000-09-05 Dallas, TX 3 edits | reply to Trybuyingaclue non-trolling remarks retained - didn't leave much. Folks, lets not stoop to the level we are accusing the OP of having already reached. If you can't say something intelligent (and non-flaming/trolling) then just don't say anything. 2k was here
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 | reply to fAcEtIOUs As vpoko stated, this case *was* in the realm of the courtroom. (At least until the RIAA dropped the case.) Evidence is needed for that.
If they had really intended to shift their focus to Mr. Scantleberry's stepson, then they would have needed evidence. That might have been in the form of some kind of recorded statement from Mr. Scantleberry fingering his stepson. Or it might have been in the form of some P2P logs showing music downloaded and then seized computer equipment showing that same music on the hard drives.
If they intended to go after Mr. Scantleberry's stepson and didn't have any evidence then they are either 1) stupid, 2) malicious, or 3) looking for a settlement from someone no matter who it may be. Now I'm pretty sure that the RIAA isn't stupid. (Control freaks, yes. Out of touch with the bad PR they're causing, yes. Stupid, no.) But #2 and #3 are frightening possibilities.
However, all that is pretty moot now since the RIAA dropped the case. So now it really is in the court of public opinion where we try the case based on what evidence we have available to us and assign "good PR" and "bad PR" accordingly.
Here are the facts as we have them:
1. The RIAA sued Larry Scantleberry for copyright infringement. 2. He passed away prior to the RIAA's discovery having been granted extensions. 3. The RIAA, upon hearing of his death, motioned for a 60 day grieving period before continuing the lawsuit against him. 4. The RIAA, having experience bad press as a result of suing a dead man, decided to drop the case making a closing accusation that it was the stepson who really did it.
This "public opinion juror" finds the RIAA guilty and sentences them to (self-inflicted) bad PR.  |
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 | said by Jason Levine:Here are the facts as we have them: 1. The RIAA sued Larry Scantleberry for copyright infringement. 2. He passed away prior to the RIAA's discovery having been granted extensions. 3. The RIAA, upon hearing of his death, motioned for a 60 day grieving period before continuing the lawsuit against him. 4. The RIAA, having experience bad press as a result of suing a dead man, decided to drop the case making a closing accusation that it was the stepson who really did it. This "public opinion juror" finds the RIAA guilty and sentences them to (self-inflicted) bad PR. I think the RIAA is much more concerned about getting copyright infringers to change their behavior than they are in whether they are liked or not. Being feared is more their thing than being liked and their PR is aimed at increasing fear. At that they are succeeding. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page |
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Re: Abundance of stupidity ! Unfortunately for them, using the courtrooms as a mechanism to instill fear in the populace is generally frowned upon by judges. Apparently, judges are getting more and more upset with the RIAA. Perhaps that is why the RIAA seems trial-shy even when they are sue-happy. |
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Still no sympathy for thieves. |
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 | Who was a thief in this case? Was is Mr. Scantleberry as the RIAA first alleged? If so, the case dies with him. Or was it his stepson as the RIAA declared as they dropped the case? If so, what was their evidence against him as they didn't seem poised to do anything but settle with Mr. Scantleberry prior to his untimely demise? |
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 tsu9 join:2001-08-17 Wheeling, IL | reply to fAcEtIOUs I hearby claim that Tkjunkmail has, in fact, downloaded (illegaly) music.
True or false, declaring it in "the court of public opinion" does not make words true. |
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