Re: Fiber through the Cable company in Wireless Service Providers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16722715 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:01:01 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:01:01 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16792453 batterup :
said by Diddy1 See Profile :

There are many exuses you could give that are actually true for the sluggishness?
Yah, blame it on The Phone Company they fall for it every time. 90% of the posters to Broadband reports believe the B.S. Teletruth spouts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16792453 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:36:37 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16787381 milbrath : Knocking off two class C's saved $450. Thats 225 per class C per month, what kind of pricing is that! They still have me figured for 4 class C's. Could potentially get this down to ~2100 per month for 6mb if that kind of math holds true. Looks like bellsouth is going to get the buisness. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16787381 Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:19:13 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16782546 openbox9 :
said by milbrath See Profile :

In the meantime Anyone know how I can obtain rights to my very own IP addresses? Need 4 Class C's to start out with. I don't do NAT.
If you want your own AS go to ARIN. You'll have recurring annual membership fees as well as annual fees based on your allocation size. Also, it should go without saying, but you'll need an upstream ISP that is willing to route your IP range.

»arin.net/registration/guidelines···loc.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16782546 Sat, 26 Aug 2006 05:50:23 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16782262 milbrath : I got an unfinished estimate today, it was not pretty! $3450 per month for 6mb. With a 2000 install fee and 48month contract. They claimed quite a bit of it was due to the 4 class C's I wanted(wonder if they charged it at the same rate they charge residential customers for more static IP's). AT&T does not charge for those, nor does bellsouth. They are going to send me a new quote early next week with a 5 year contract and just one IP.
//OT rant
I swear the telco's should be required by law to charge their own ISP divisions what it cost the competition on a regional basis, that would even the playing field a bit as DSL prices would jump in an area like this, provided the telco's were required by law that their ISP division be profitable & not subsidized. Another thing that ticks me off about the telco's is the phone book. It costs several hundred dollars to get a decent yellowpage & whitelisting advert. Yet the local phone company has advertisements all over the place, who do you think paid for that? They didn't the advertisers did. I guess it's their book and can do whatever they want. We just took the whitelisting this time around. I think it still cost a hundred per year for that. Enough of my rant on the telco's.

Anyways what brought on the rant.

I think charter is also pricing according to region, as the first thing they asked me was what a T1 costs me. I never answered that as it was none of their buisness. Though since we are in a small area serviced by frontier and surrounded by bellsouth they knew it was quite high and priced accordingly I realize fiber costs a hell of a lot to build out but 1 block costing
$130000 over the 4 year contract, I think not.

I informed them that I could get service much cheaper now that we are moving into that neck of the woods and had a nearby tower pre-approved by bellsouth for upto 9 T1's and that if I did not receive a better quote by thursday bellsouth would be getting our buisness.

Hopefully the bellsouth & AT&t merger will take place so that we can merge our existing T1's in the frontier area with the new T1's at the new POP and keep our network layout the same & avoid buying out the remainder of the AT&T contract & avoid re-mapping all those darned staic IP's and dealing with the customers who can't figure out how to restart their router so it gets a new IP.This is something I was willing to do if charter could give me a better price. Still the $575 per T1 in the bellsouth area is still too high. Hell who knows charter may yet suprise me.

In the meantime Anyone know how I can obtain rights to my very own IP addresses? Need 4 Class C's to start out with. I don't do NAT.

BM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16782262 Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:17:31 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16759231 milbrath : IM sent. Sorry I have never checked my IM's.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16759231 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:11:23 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16755769 milbrath : I'll IM you with the info before the day is over.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16755769 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:28:52 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16755127 mrbueno : milbrath... I have to post here, but can you share who it is you are speaking with. I am having alot of trouble with my Charter sales guy not knowing how to get a commercial resale rider. I sent this request via IM a few days ago, but if you are like me you may not log in to the site except to post.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16755127 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:06:21 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16732818 sporkme :
said by milbrath See Profile :

yes there will be a detailed talk about reliability. Out two AT&T T1's have never "both" been down.
I'm sure it's going to be better than their RF-delivered service - we all know that things can go wrong in the RF portion of the cable plant. This sounds like they are hooking you in on the fiber side so the reliability should be much better than the typical home/small-biz connection.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16732818 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:13:53 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16732635 Chele : You should try to establish a POP at one of the cable co's drop-offs, it will save you the build-out cost and possibly a great deal of time. From what I've heard, the build-out can take months due to city/county permits and funding from the company itself.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16732635 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:44:50 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16732282 milbrath : yes there will be a detailed talk about reliability. Out two AT&T T1's have never "both" been down.

BM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16732282 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:45:46 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16732261 cmaenginsb : An important lesson I learned from supporting ISPs since 1998 is that SLAs are really only good as toilet paper. Companies with bad networks will offer them and they are of no use to you when there is a problem that they can't sort out.

A bad upstream connection will do 10x the amount of financial damage that is covered by the SLA (which only covers the cost of the circuit).

After saying that I do think in this case with close monitoring you would be fine.
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said by mrbueno See Profile :

His actual words were "how is anyone going to know?" Totally unacceptable to build a business on.
And yet I know of some folks that have done this. Not for the primary backbone, but for backup links. I've considered this myself. The problem is, as you said, you can't build a business upon a non-reliable link. This is why some of us get a T1 with an SLA when we don't need that much BW. But, some people are doing this and getting away with it. Who would be the wiser? So, if you have a re-sellable T1, and you need a little more BW, why not? You always have the T1 to fail-over on if the link goes down. There are many exuses you could give that are actually true for the sluggishness? I guess I'm evaluating this more for my own thoughts. The philosophical and moral side is obvious, but the realistic side is what I'm considering.
Aaron]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16730761 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 03:25:14 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16730241 mrbueno : Do they even allow resell of their services? I have tried to get a confirmation of this but my sales guy in our area is clueless to this info. The contract says a rider can be written, but the guy won't even bother to call someone in a higher position than him to verify things. His actual words were "how is anyone going to know?" Totally unacceptable to build a business on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16730241 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 00:21:13 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16730198 BurstNET : Beware Telcove.
They initially tell you one price, and then come in with official quotes much higher.
Old bait and switch technique...

Hopefully Level3 will whip them into shape.

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BURSTNET]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16730198 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 00:11:26 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16724031 superdog : I have a local ILEC(At least I think that's what they are?)come after me to sell me bandwidth. The name of the CO is TelCove?. The prices they quoted me were all depending on whether or not I could pull the bandwidth from a current location that they had an ethernet drop at. The price difference was dramatic, as I was told if they do not need to drop in a new fiber to ethernet drop, they would save themselves a lot of money and could pass that on to me?.
The problem I have been having is trying to find a location that I can get roof rights at, and then, if I can get roof rights, I need LOS to one of my PoPs just to get the bandwidth to my network, so to this point, I haven't had much luck?. :(
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BM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16722715 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:34:55 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16722630 keefe007 : I think you're going to find that the build-out costs are much higher than you think. I quoted in Charter fiber here in Wisconsin and it was quite expensive. It may be different in your market though. My facility is roughly 1 block from the fiber ring and Charter quoted: $986 for 3M, $1275 for 4M, $1544 for 5M, $2654 for 10M, with $2500 install and 5 year contract. It is still a pretty good deal, although the reviews around here have been mixed about the service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16722630 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:18:12 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16719236 milbrath : They have guaranteed me an SLA. Not sure what the acceptable percentage is yet. I will assume 85%, will know more when everything finalizes. I will still be extremely pleased with 80% at $125 per Mb. The two current T1's we have seem to max out at 2.6Mb bonded of course. So $2500 for 2.6mb - vs- $1250+ buildout for 8.5mb, I'll take it. Plan to start out with only 6mb though, for a monthly bill of $750 +buildout. Hate to spend money when it's not needed. According to charter they can provision additional speed overnight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16719236 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:56:58 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16717920 cmaenginsb : The only negative will be that the line will have some level of oversubscription on it. So I would probably count on getting maybe 80% of what you could with a T-1. Considering the pricing difference that would be more than acceptable.
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Charter will initially provide me with 4 class C's, or however many I want. I asked for 4 class C's. Still waiting on build out cost & final pricing.

BM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16717268 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:57:27 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16716656 thewildthang : Milbrath, what about your ip's, is the cable company going to give you a range of IP's to use?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16716656 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:40:49 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16716088 milbrath : Yes their sales engineer is supposed to get back to me towards the end of the week. Hopefully we can say good bye to $1250 T1's. Hard as hell to make money when you can get DSL for $35+tax,and we pretty much have to price accordingly. 1/2 of the county is covered by frontier who puts in DSLAMS everywhere! According to the local techs there is more than one with under 5 people on it. The bottom half of the county is belsouth territory, thats where we are going next. Thankfully they don't seem to leave city limits. I wish the telco's had to pay what we do for bandwidth. I pretty much hate them with a passion. Hopefully soon I can say goodbye to them, well atleast my wallet can.

BM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16716088 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:32:49 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16715591 sbrown : Our schools use Charter for fiber back to the local Internet Exchange - seems to be flawless - good pricing as well...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16715591 Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:54:47 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16643118 milbrath : I had comcast residential HSI cable service for about a year while I was in grad school. It was flawless. Charter residential service on the other hand is not that great. The only reason I am considering it is because the local State University recently moved to a fiber connection with them. It is my hope that the fiber connection through them will be reliable as I see no reason why a nearby State University(10 miles away) would sign up with an unreliable primary connection.

They are currently figuring out the build out cost to get fiber to a water tower in a nearby city. After I have that I'll post more. And if I do get it, I'll post about it a few months down the road.

BM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16643118 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:05:11 EDT Re: Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16642772 superdog : I have chatted with my local cable CO(Comcast), and they were also willing to sell me bandwidth at a fairly decent price, I just didn't take them up on it yet.
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BM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16625602 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:34:04 EDT Fiber through the Cable company http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16625594 milbrath : We recently learned that a local cable company(charter) is selling fiber services in our area. They have all the basics covered SLA, guaranteed bandwidth, monitoring.... and the pricing is good $125 per MB + build out cost versus a whopping $1250 per T1 that we pay now(sucks being 110 miles from the POP). I'll have to backhaul it from another nearby city but that also gets me a new POP at the same time. I know several people on here use DSL for their trunk, anyone using a cable provider and if so are you satisfied. The local sales woman and engineer are coming tommorrow, I'm really hoping for some cheap and reliable bandwidth here.

BM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16625594 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:33:12 EDT