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I would be very happy to know what it means to win the war on terror.If any person here can explain to me how we define victory in this I would like to hear from you. Without a clear definition of victory it will not be possible to win. EVER! Like any sensible, rational person I have no problem with my duly elected government taking extreme measures to defend our nation in time of war. Look at some of the things we did to win WWII. Even after the war allied soldiers killed innocent civilians to get people to turn in resistance fighters in Germany. I personally have no problem with this. BUT until you have the stomach to do things like this don't use the word WAR so lightly. If this was war, Pakistan would be occupied now because it is Al Queida's primary base of operation and training. Half assing a war gets you a Vietnam or Afghanistan (to the Russians). We are not at war. That is a pleasant euphemism to get people riled up. Get over it and use some common sense. Do not grant broad Powers to your Government for a war with no clear end. They cannot be trusted. The Forefathers of this nation knew that and we should never forget it.

Why haven't some attorneys filed a class action lawsuit against firefighters yet? I mean everyone knows that firefighters are just pawns of the Bush Administration who purposely set fires so they can stomp all over our civil liberties and break into our homes while they claim they're just putting out the fire. Whatever! We know what's really going on. Fascists!

My ignorance raises it's ugly head again. Which side of the argument are you on undertow? Your post is as a reply to me but I can't figure out if you are for or against anything I said.

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when the use of the euphimism "war on terror" I believe that that is what the present administration is using to "elevate" their so called war "powers". If anyone has read the constitution, there is not any mention of the president having extraordinary powers, that is what concerns me, this present administration is claiming to follow the constitution, and want judges that are strict followers that don't interpret said constitution, and then lambast them when they do. We have three branches of government, but you would think that there is only one and if you disagree with them, you must be weak on terrorism. Both houses of government have become impotent. They are/were elected to serve us ,and they need to be made aware of this fact, or they need a rude awakening.As a Vietnam vet, 2 tours of duty, I am truly disappointed for a couple of reasons. One is that how you could start a war that you can't possibly win (remember the past),and once started how could you be so unprepared for the peace? (remember the past again). I am a conservative Democrat/liberal republican, no that is not an oxy moron.I like the physcal responsibility of true conservatives, but with a touch of the true democratics compassion. I don't want any religion in politics, not even my own. This socalled war is bogus from the getgo, just as Vietnam was.I had the choice to go or not go, and chose the former, and don't regret it. It gives me a better slant on what is going on. JMT
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As it is coming from one who has been there I respect your opinion. Thank you for all you have done. Your efforts will be appreciated by generations to come.

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Some of you are going so far in your criticism that it almost seems you would literally like to see us lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because you are disloyal. It's because you just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, your conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our cause.

For those who don't know the enemy...the enemy are the same ones who would throw you off a building, cut off your hands, cut out your tongue and otherwise murder you just for disagreeing with them.

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For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have become accustomed to. We need to prepare to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.

And don't worry that it is slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and in fact added many more since then.

Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

No, I blame people like you for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your head.

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