Re: Charging the wrong people in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16756773 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:44:40 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:44:40 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16775739 Pathfinder :
said by braynes See Profile :

"The additional cost of Dry-Loop DSL is due to the cost involved in maintaining the circuit and cable pair"

Then you feel that a cable pair going to the sub with no service DT or DSL is more profitable then using it for a dsl dry pair and charging the sub for dsl service? And I still do not see how or why you think there is an extra cost,the equipment is there the outside plant is there, leaving it dark make no money, this is just greed.At the most x-wire(the frame crew has time)

Bruce
No a pair with no service makes no money. But perhaps you miis the part where the DSL is a separate entity from POTS.
POTS pays for cable Maitenance. Ove 1000 people in Manhattan alone. I realize that Verizon profits all go to the same place but each entity is budgeted and charged separately. Have you ever heard of Cable Maintenance? or cable failures?
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support the Hunley]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16775739 Fri, 25 Aug 2006 02:46:34 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16769411 braynes : "The additional cost of Dry-Loop DSL is due to the cost involved in maintaining the circuit and cable pair"

Then you feel that a cable pair going to the sub with no service DT or DSL is more profitable then using it for a dsl dry pair and charging the sub for dsl service? And I still do not see how or why you think there is an extra cost,the equipment is there the outside plant is there, leaving it dark make no money, this is just greed.At the most x-wire(the frame crew has time)

Bruce]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16769411 Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:14:09 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16767533 Pathfinder : The additional cost of Dry-Loop DSL is due to the cost involved in maintaining the circuit and cable pair. In the case of a piggy back this cost is built in to the cost of the POTS line.
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support the Hunley]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16767533 Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:53:36 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16763593 braynes : Also the tie pairs should be in,perhaps ill assigned but there,if a lot of work needed to be done then some one drop the ball, either in plant or LA. O yea you ever hear of Dac or dexes?
Bruce]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16763593 Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:54:00 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16763569 braynes : O.K. If the cable pair goes to the sub. and is wired to a line unit and there is no service on the line.
If I get DT there may be some x-wire to run, if I get dsl they may or may not be x-wire(there are many situation)either way the work is no more or less(are you talking rt or cdo's and no co's?).
Now sense it is cabled to the sub. and if no service is in use then no revenue,if DT the money,if dsl money,so why would they Not want to turn on a cable pair to sell dsl? How can this possible cost any more?
Bruce]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16763569 Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:50:12 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16763445 Pathfinder : DSL is provided at the split bank (DSLAM) not in the switch. At least here in New York. In most cases the addition of DSL to an existing line requires 4 xconn sometimes on 3 different floors of the CO.
From the OE to a tie, from the tie to the in on the split bank, from the out split bank to a tie and from the tie to the CP.
Naked DSL only requires the last 2.
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support the Hunley]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16763445 Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:27:55 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16763376 braynes : I started with AT&T and in 85 we went with the work so to speak.
I ended at nynex,that became verizon.
My job was overseeing the the change to ESS switching.

"What did you cause to happen or occur at AT&T?" I take it that this refers to my poor spelling,Ra Ra for you
Bruce]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16763376 Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:15:11 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16763080 3SGTE :
said by braynes See Profile :

By the way I retired from AT&T after 28 years in engendering; most of witch was isdn and DSL.
Bruce
:O

What did you cause to happen or occur at AT&T?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16763080 Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:18:44 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16762296 braynes : When E.I.(was at&t then) Installed the 5E they would have (or a conversion crew)wired all the cable pairs on the vdf to a Line Unit, this allows a customer to move in pick the phone up for 911 or the baseness office.
When the person orders the phone,services.or dsl(a service) a line assigner types this in to a terminal and that is it.
If there is a x-wire change on the mdf it is because the dsl is new to the office or the sub is on the wrong type of line unit.
the dslam does not care if it has DT or dry no extra work at all(unless a new growth in the co., But that would have to be done anyway.)
So I will ask you the same question,how do you think it X-wires?
Bruce

When you say I&R do you mean you were a tip and ringer?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16762296 Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:54:23 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16758788 Pathfinder : DSL is not a translation change. It is a physical x-connection from the split bank to the cable pair.
BTW I retired from Verizon after 36 years in Installtion & Repair.
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support the Hunley]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16758788 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:13:47 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16756773 braynes : I would like to know why you think a translation change can cost more for the pair that runs to the sub.
If you want DT they translate it if you want DSL same so how or why do you think this cost more?
By the way I retired from AT&T after 28 years in engendering; most of witch was isdn and DSL.
Bruce]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16756773 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:21:54 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16756701 braynes : Not so it is a x-connect done on a keyboard to add or remove service,NO work in the Field or office need to be done.
Please explain to me how the MDF and the line units are involved with dsl and Please explain how the cable pair come in on the MDF and the x-wire from there.
Bruce]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16756701 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:09:02 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16756498 JohnA :
said by braynes See Profile :

The fact is it is an increase,the cable goes to the subscriber anyway no extra cost,no need to hook up dial tone ,so no equipment and no labor.
Truth is there is a dial tone on the line and a number associated with it, along with proportional maintenance and support costs. Simulated dry loop is not a lot different from a POTS line, you just can't dial out on it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16756498 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:35:23 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16756390 braynes : "It was obvious when Verizon started doing Simulated Dry Loop DSL, that they had costed it wrong. It should be in the $12 range, not $5 higher than standard DSL with phone, due to the line cost.

The answer no one is getting from them, is why not raise the Dry DSL price to where it belongs, rather than spread it across all DSL users. The people with POTS lines + DSL are already paying for a phone line. Why penalize them with costs associated with DSL for people with no phone service?"

I think this is what there are trying to imply, the dry lines cost more so they need to charge, now two answers increase the dry dsl or charge everyone. The fact is it is an increase,the cable goes to the subscriber anyway no extra cost,no need to hook up dial tone ,so no equipment and no labor.
This is an increase pure and simple.
They have no Price increase to them just want more bucks for bonuses.
Bruce]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16756390 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:18:58 EDT Re: Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16755566 anon : is FIOS getting hit with same fee?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16755566 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:59:41 EDT Charging the wrong people http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16755490 JohnA : It was obvious when Verizon started doing Simulated Dry Loop DSL, that they had costed it wrong. It should be in the $12 range, not $5 higher than standard DSL with phone, due to the line cost.

The answer no one is getting from them, is why not raise the Dry DSL price to where it belongs, rather than spread it across all DSL users. The people with POTS lines + DSL are already paying for a phone line. Why penalize them with costs associated with DSL for people with no phone service?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16755490 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:43:17 EDT