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robo_mojo

join:2006-01-11
Ada, OK

Sounds nice

If my ISP starts throttling my bandwidth, do I have the option to start throttling my payment?


FiL
Premium
join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD

^HA!

Funniest one yet...:)

Sucks that I cant DL at my lines full potential...
Hell, Ive NEVER hit my lines full potential through any kind of DL'ing or even gaming.

But who the hell am I to try and push my service as hard as it can go? Afterall, I am only paying 59 bucks for service...eh.



anoniam

@204.209.x.x

reply to robo_mojo
just because you buy something or pay for something, doesn't mean you can use it how ever you see fit as there are always a Terms of services that comes with alot of stuff.

and for ISPS all ur paying for is access to there network, not admin rights to there network so you can do with it whatever you want.

would you much rather have them cutting off your internet cause your paying for your bandwidth, you use up ur alloted bandwidth, then cut you off cause your only allowed this much, and so you can't use internet no more, i'm sure you would complain about that more. then throttling.

people only look at what will benefit them and not wanting to follows the terms at which they signed on for and how to use.


st7860

join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA

reply to robo_mojo

said by robo_mojo:

If my ISP starts throttling my bandwidth, do I have the option to start throttling my payment?
exactly. since you are paying for it you have the right to use the full speed you paid for.

uscomputing

join:2005-01-26
Buffalo, NY

reply to anoniam

hmm

As an ISP i have no problem with my users downloading large files at their max speed (3.0mbps). The problem with BitTorent is that someone could be downloading at only 80KB/s but from 25 different hosts. This tends to KILL the network and cause latency for all my customers way worse than one customer... or 10 downloading at full speed. I have to watch for BT on my network since it is very selfish with the way it uses network resources...


guest77

@64.69.x.x

If they have a 3mps connection the max they will use is 3mps no matter if it is from 1 source or 25. Are you claiming a user with 25 browser windows open (say 5 home computers in use on your 3mps connection) somehow slows network resources more then one person downloading a 5GB file? I think that is nonsense they cant surpass thier 3mps no matter what they do.

Broadband users almost never reach thier full download speed even from commercial sites. PTP does allow them to do so probably for the first time. I think what someone else said is right this is ISPs complaining people are actually using all the bandwith they are supposed to have.


Kirby Smith

join:2001-01-26
Derry, NH
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reply to uscomputing
I would be interested in further information here. 10 users at 3 Mbps is roughly 3000 KBps of down traffic. How can that be easier on the network than one person downloading 80 KBps? The 25 sources only mean 25 differences in the from address. even if he had the bandwidth in your system to upload at the same rate, once he had received enough portions, that would only double the total traffic to 160 KBps.

kirby


RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11

I suspect that uscomputing See Profile is actually a WISP, which has it's own set of issues.

Funny you don't see any major US DSL ISPs threatening to throttle BT...it's always cable or some less robust distribution method like WISPs.
--
Toolmaster of La Grange.


uscomputing

join:2005-01-26
Buffalo, NY

reply to uscomputing
I do run a wisp. There is voip running on the network and when someone starts using bit-torrent all the voip connections turn to crap. If 10 users are downloading at their max allowed speed via some other method than BT the voip quality is fine.


RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11

You need a better network.
--
Toolmaster of La Grange.



Ignite
Premium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK

said by RadioDoc:

You need a better network.
Which his customers, the non-BT ones included, will be having to pay for. Fair?

RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11

If he can't provide the service to all, don't advertise the service at all.
--
Toolmaster of La Grange.



Ignite
Premium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK

So by that token all providers that can't guarantee quality of service shouldn't advertise a maximum available performance at all on the offchance that someone on your node / MSAN will start hammering their connection and contended resources will begin to max out?

Unless you know exactly what the guy is advertising that's unfair IMO, overbooking of resources is the reason your connection costs you 2 figures a month, not 3 or 4.


Kirby Smith

join:2001-01-26
Derry, NH

reply to uscomputing
I'm still unclear why BT degrades VOIP, when, say, FTP doesn't, and was hoping for a more technical explanation. If your problem is BT UDP packets, try encouraging your BT-using customers to use TCP instead. Or vice versa.

kirby


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