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moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
reply to fiberguy

Re: SSL

said by fiberguy:

If anyone wants a point AGAINST a nation ID, look at the blown-out SSN fiasco we are faced with today and how THAT number was abused.
We already have a national ID system......it's called a Passport.

fiberguy
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If we "already had a national ID system" then there would be no debate in congress on needing a "national ID card" now would there?

Do you have any idea how many people in the U.S. actually HAVE a passport? You know, that document that lets you travel outside the country?
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moonpuppy

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said by fiberguy:

If we "already had a national ID system" then there would be no debate in congress on needing a "national ID card" now would there?

Do you have any idea how many people in the U.S. actually HAVE a passport? You know, that document that lets you travel outside the country?
While the passport is mostly used for travel outside the country, it is more than that. When you fill out an I-9 form, it is better than an ID card (driver's license) and SS card or birth certificate.

BTW, over 10 million were issued in 2005. Passports are good for 10 years (5 if you are under 18.)

EDIT: and Congress is debating this because they need something to crow about, another pork project and a vote to keep their jobs for the next election.

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A passport is better than a driver's license, SS or birth cirt? No they aren't. Who told you that garbage? PLESAE tell me where on the form is says "passport desired"... all forms of ID are just as acceptable as the next.

10 million? What's the total population of the country? now figure out the percentage.

No.. a passport is not a nation ID card. And SOME members of congress want debate because they want more control over the people of the states.
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moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD

said by fiberguy:

A passport is better than a driver's license, SS or birth cirt? No they aren't. Who told you that garbage? PLESAE tell me where on the form is says "passport desired"... all forms of ID are just as acceptable as the next.
Look at an I-9 form. A passport does the job of a driver's license and birth certificate when determining eligibility to work in this country. Just because you have a driver's license, doesn't mean you can work in this country.

»www.uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/···/i-9.htm

said by fiberguy:

10 million? What's the total population of the country? now figure out the percentage.
Because this country puts so much stake in the state ID's, most people, including you, don't see a need for a passport. Beginning 1/1/2008, you need a passport to go to Mexico or Canada (right next door.)

said by fiberguy:

No.. a passport is not a nation ID card. And SOME members of congress want debate because they want more control over the people of the states.
I can show it to a police officer and he has all the information he needs to run a check on me. My Maryland license doesn't even have my SS# on it. All he needs is my name and date of birth and he can find my DL number if he needs it.

The ONLY 2 things a driver's license does over a passport (within the country) is allow you to drive and establish an address. The latter is not even that reliable in many cases.

A system is already in place, time to use it.