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Re: Laws on spinning the tires? said by 350ci :
Merely squealing or spinning the tires a little bit does not necessarily mean the car is "out of control". Pretty much any recent V8 Camaro, Firebird, Mustang, etc. will spin the tires a little even at half throttle, with no danger to anyone.
Now doing a heavy burnout on a crowded road, or the jokers who keep their foot down until they actually ARE out of control, those situations deserve a ticket.
we ALL know it's not "out of control". hell---i've laid 3 gear rubber with my 'stang (R.I.P.--broadsided by an a-hole that ran a light) and been in control. granted, it was on private property and with plenty of room to do so *just in case*. the point is even just a squeak can get you a ticket if the cop wants to give you one.
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said by hulltech:In Wisconsin the ticket is for disorderly conduct with a motor vehicle. Yep, and a local law here where I live will get you an "unnecessary acceleration" ticket.
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said by 350ci :
Merely squealing or spinning the tires a little bit does not necessarily mean the car is "out of control". There in the next post (Funny no-one mentioned the laws of physics!) is the answer to your question. The out of control condition that you're being ticketed for is being out of the control of gravity and friction, which you are as soon as your tires begin to squeal. I teach drivers ed and am a certified BOST tester for the state of Colorado. BOST=Basic Operating Skills Test.
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Merely squealing or spinning the tires a little bit does not necessarily mean the car is "out of control". There in the next post (Funny no-one mentioned the laws of physics!) is the answer to your question. The out of control condition that you're being ticketed for is being out of the control of gravity and friction, which you are as soon as your tires begin to squeal. I teach drivers ed and am a certified BOST tester for the state of Colorado. BOST=Basic Operating Skills Test. There is no law against being out of the control of gravity and friction. Are the cops standing there on the runway after a shuttle flight? No.
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1 edit | said by techguyga:There is no law against being out of the control of gravity and friction. Are the cops standing there on the runway after a shuttle flight? No. The shuttle is not a motor vehicle, just in case you didn't know. When a "motor vehicle" exceeds the constraints of gravity and friction on a "public street" it is out of control.
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At the risk of this turning stupid...
That may be a justification, but the only reason such laws exist is, and has always been, to harass a minority. All the possible hazards already have harsh penalties. So please don't try to justify them after the fact with techno babble.
That said, such laws do exist. So if one breaks them and gets caught, it's a risk they took and their own fault. So they have to face the consequences. If they don't like it, then they should start making an effect to get some of the thousands of like laws repealed. |
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said by GadgetsRme:When a "motor vehicle" exceeds the constraints of gravity and friction on a "public street" it is out of control. Show me that in a law book. |
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| said by techguyga:Show me that in a law book. The law states that you must keep your vehicle in control at all times. The lawmakers and the judical system have determined that when a "motor vehicle" exceeds the constraints of gravity and friction on a "public street" that is prima facie evidence of breaking that law.
Prima facie is a Latin expression (come by way of Middle English) meaning "on its first appearance," used in common law jurisdictions to denote evidence that is sufficient, if not rebutted, to prove a particular proposition or fact. In most legal proceedings, one of the parties has the burden of proof, which requires that party to present prima facie evidence of all facts essential to its case.
Now you can like it or tell it to the judge because that's the way it is.
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| SHOW ME THAT IN A LAW BOOK.
You can throw out little fancy words you looked up in a dictionary, but until you show me that "exceeding the constraints of gravity and friction" is illegal, put a sock in it.
BTW, I really like CO. I visited there in May for the first time (Denver, then Alma) and really enjoyed myself. My wife liked CO so much, she wants us to move. |
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1 edit | Its called failure to control, such as hydroplaning on a wet road.
As far as spinning of tires, about 90% of the time it is intentional. |
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said by techguyga:SHOW ME THAT IN A LAW BOOK. You can throw out little fancy words you looked up in a dictionary, but until you show me that "exceeding the constraints of gravity and friction" is illegal, put a sock in it. It is not stated, in those words, but "exceeding the constraints of gravity and friction" means that you are not in control of your car. Most states express that in some form of "reckless driving":
»www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc23103.htm
Not to mention specifically addressing matters of speed:
»www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc23103.htm
You will never be cited for "exceeding the constraints of gravity and friction"; but you may be cited for the obvious consequences of doing the same.
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Would levitating be breaking the law of gravity?
Sorry, but the expression "exceeding the constraints of gravity and friction" also struck me as a bit far out there...
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said by TA63:Would levitating be breaking the law of gravity? Sorry, but the expression "exceeding the constraints of gravity and friction" also struck me as a bit far out there... The post I answered stated that just squealing the tires didn't mean the car was out of control. He is saying that since he can bring it back into shape he hasn't lost control.
The police and courts don't care how well you think you can do that. They say if you squeal your tires you're in an out of control condition. Squealing tires are the result of or the same thing as breaking traction under acceleration. Traction, under the principals of physics, is the combination of gravity (could also be expressed in terms of mass or weight) and friction. When ticketed for being out of control they're saying you gone past the control limits of the car provided by those principals. Is it written that way word for word, no. However, to use the "fancy words", breaking traction under acceleration (exceeding the limits or control of gravity and friction) is prima facie evidence (sufficient in most courts) of a vehicle being in an out of control condition.
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said by techguyga:SHOW ME THAT IN A LAW BOOK. You can throw out little fancy words you looked up in a dictionary,...... I didn't have to look it up to know what it means, school taught me that. I took it out of a dictionary so I wouldn't screw up explaining it.
Edit: spelling
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| So now the "exceeding the constraints of gravity and friction" only applies to acceleration? I was just about to ask about braking/emergency stops. In many of those instances the tires squeal, and yet you cannot be ticketed for "exceeding the constraints of gravity and friction", unless, of course, an accident results.
It seems that you are just making the "law" suit your point. |
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1 edit | said by techguyga:So now the "exceeding the constraints of gravity and friction" only applies to acceleration? I was just about to ask about braking/emergency stops. In many of those instances the tires squeal, and yet you cannot be ticketed for "exceeding the constraints of gravity and friction", unless, of course, an accident results. It seems that you are just making the "law" suit your point. No I'm not making it fit my point. If you emergency brake to the point of skidding you are out of control. The question then is what put you there. Speeding-ticketable, following to close-ticketable (even if there is not an accident), and if someone else does something stupid that forces you into an out of control situation it is ticketable on them. There are things like animals running into the road that are beyond any drivers control. The combination of the out of control condition and what put you there is what determines whether there is a citation given, what that citation is, and to whom it is given. Under acceleration is where the subject started.
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| Wow, maybe we won't move to CO.
In GA, you CAN NOT be ticketed under emergency braking conditions unless an accident or property damage occurs.
It's obvious that we each have our own opinion. Maybe that stems from differences in laws of the states, or maybe upbringing. Or maybe not. Either way, we could go on bickering about this for days. Let's just say that you have your opinion and I have mine and we'll let this rest. Sound good?
In all seriousness, though, I do love CO and we are already planning another trip out there in April. I just love the high altitude and small towns in the Blue River/Alma/Fairplay area along Hwy. 9.
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1 edit | I can agree to disagree and reg's do vary according to locality. I'm going by what I was taught in 95 hours of instruction time to be able to teach at the driving academy and receive my certification from the State of Colorado to be a driver's license examiner. We'll let it go at that.
On the State of Colorado, specifically along Hwy 9, it is a really nice area with a lot to see and do. If you're into back packing give a holler before you come there some really outstanding hikes in that area. My favorite is going into the Slate Lakes. It is fairly tough, 2 days in and 2days out, but it is beautiful up in there. In April the higher elevation hikes can still be limited by snow or run off.
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 owenhomekeeper of the magic blue smokePremium
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Bentonville, AR | reply to Moropo
Here in Wichita Falls, they will nail you will multiple citations for that. And there's a city noise ordinance against spinning tires. The cops here are VERY strict as well. At least here, and the city council has made it well know in their sessions, traffic citations are considered a method to generate revenue. Officers are encouraged to write as many citations as possible in order to generate as much revenue as possible. Last year, comparing the city's population, vs. the amount generated, it was roughly equivalent to every man woman and child in the entire city paying out over $640. They write tickets for exceeding the speed limit by 1mph. I have personally been ticketed (6 years ago) for doing 42 in a 40.
The police department here is one of the few I am aware of that actually operates at a profit. Last year, the amount generated by citations exceeded the police dept's budget by almost 40 million dollars. The number of police doing traffic duty versus the number responding to calls is approximatly 30 to 1. So many in fact, if a motorcycle cop has to make an arrest, it is not uncommon to wait a few hours for a cruiser.
They would cite you here for....
Exhibition of Acceleration
Reckless Driving
Noise Ordinance violation
All told, it will cost you over $600.
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