| | Stupid question why not take the old POTS line and use that as a backup power source for fios i mean its already there right? and i doubt that ont thing doesnt use too much power | |
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  RaptorNot a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
London, ON | Re: Stupid question I don't know much about Fios other than reading about it on BBR now and again, but don't they rip that stuff out when you get fibre?
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 | | | Re: Stupid question Why rip it out? That takes time and money. If they wanted to pull it out of the ground, they'd risk damage to other utilities, which would require marking the property. Too much effort for absolutely no $$$ return.
BTW, when I got my FiOS, I said I wanted to keep my analog phone on the copper and was told "no problem." It's been on copper ever since. When we lost power last weekend, our phone worked just fine long after all the UPSes were dead. | |
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| | | | Re: Stupid question That is how the "lock" you in.
You can't very well go to a competitor if the competitor doesn't have a line to your house being that they do not have to share the fiber. | |
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| | | | said by ThereYouAre:Why rip it out? That takes time and money. If they wanted to pull it out of the ground, they'd risk damage to other utilities, which would require marking the property. Too much effort for absolutely no $$$ return. BTW, when I got my FiOS, I said I wanted to keep my analog phone on the copper and was told "no problem." It's been on copper ever since. When we lost power last weekend, our phone worked just fine long after all the UPSes were dead. Telcos don't want to support 2 different mediums for communication. One reason is cost. Copper costs more to maintain than fiber.
Second, it is harder to switch back to another provider if your copper is gone. Fiber doesn't have to be shared. | |
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| | | | | Re: Stupid question said by moonpuppy:Fiber doesn't have to be shared. A legislative oversight that will likely be remedied. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Stupid question Yeah VZ will be forced to share the fiber network when the cable monopolies are forced to share their network. Don't see that happening anytime soon.  | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Stupid question As far as the cable co's go, thet funded their own network. Thats why they don't have to share. They didn't get funds, or subsidaries or whatever they were like the Telco's did. that's why they were forced to share. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Stupid question You don't think cable companies received any tax breaks or other incentives to build out in communities? | |
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join:2005-10-28
San Antonio, TX
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1 edit | Re: Stupid question Nope.
Care to cite an example where they do? And before you say "franchise fees" remember that the money collected there goes right back to the city.
If VZ is using 100% private investments (no USF money) then it’s unlikely any bill will legally be able to open their network to competitors. | |
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1.) There is a return for ripping out copper - it's worth a lot as scrap. Why do you think so many bums are ripping out electrical wiring and copper piping.. and sometimes getting electrocuted for their trouble? It isn't for chump change.
2.) When they rip out the copper, they can laugh at you and say, "Ha ha, we're the only fiber providers in town, and you have no copper! You're stuck with us! Ha ha!"
3.) Who cares if the cell phones worked in New Orleans, if half the city was underwater? I wouldn't expect any technology to survive that - save for a submarine.
4.) If you're using FIOS, I'd expect you to be a reasonably technically-savvy user - therefore, you'd know the value of a half-decent, high-capacity UPS. If you don't have your own backup.. too bad, so sad. Have fun when your stuff gets fried by lightning, too.
5.) Whoever was complaining about the load of 6 watts on the line.. whoopdie doo. I think my laptop uses more than 6 watts, if it kicks up to maximum CPU clock speed - it also lasts well over 4 1/2 hours on a 12-cell battery, WITH Wi-Fi on. Lasers tend to use big juice. Deal with it.
This post is sarcastic, and stinging. But if you're going to be an early adopter, problems should be part of your plan. Hope for the best, but plan for the worst. | |
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| | | | | Re: Stupid question said by unigamer:If you're using FIOS, I'd expect you to be a reasonably technically-savvy user - therefore, you'd know the value of a half-decent, high-capacity UPS. If you don't have your own backup.. too bad, so sad. Have fun when your stuff gets fried by lightning, too. In my neighborhood, FiOS is being aggressively marketed as plug-and-go
A. cheap LD service
2. crystal clear TV service
Pi. blistering fast HSI service
and not as "early adopter" technology.
And when I say aggressive, I mean, a salesman making cold door-to-door viists to schedule appointments to switch the house to fiber. The consumer gets the idea that such conversion is mandatory (which it isn't). | |
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| | |  richk_1957If ..Then..ElsePremium
join:2001-04-11
Minas Tirith | said by unigamer: If you're using FIOS, I'd expect you to be a reasonably technically-savvy user - therefore, you'd know the value of a half-decent, high-capacity UPS. Not so
I spoke to someone who did not have a computer, so internet connectivity wasn't an issue, but Verizon was pushing it, almost daily. What convinced her was that she had someone who needed to be able to contact a hospital 24/7 where both the power & sometimes the phone were out. The salesman said 'FIOS never goes down' & being a non-technical person, she believed him. Now she has extended power outages, to the point where it's almost routine and during one, FIOS went out. When it came back, she call Verizon and complained. They told her about the battery and it was her responsibility. She said as she had someone with a medical condition that was unacceptable and wanted the original service back. They said they weren't responsible for her personal problems and it was impossible to get her original service back. My advice to her was to get a huge UPS, say 1000VA. This would be way, way, way overkill but at least she would never have to worry about FIOS going down again [because of problems on her end, of course].
What I am saying is that you don't have to be 'technically-savvy' or have any need for FIOS at all, but Verizon's salesmen make FIOS sound like the best thing there is, better than sliced bread - and you have to have it. | |
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| | | | said by ThereYouAre:BTW, when I got my FiOS, I said I wanted to keep my analog phone on the copper and was told "no problem." It's been on copper ever since. When we lost power last weekend, our phone worked just fine long after all the UPSes were dead. I actually tried this and asked for a supervisor TWICE. I said it was for an emergency line, etc. etc., and they told me the above (days w/out using it, the time is only if it's in use, etc. etc.).
Honestly, I never would have got the line (and paid the installation charges) if I knew it would die that fast.
I was under the impression that the ONT should also NOT be plugged into a UPS for some oddball reason. I didn't think it would be needed anyway with what I was told. | |
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX | said by inurenegade:why not take the old POTS line and use that as a backup power source for fios i mean its already there right? and i doubt that ont thing doesnt use too much power The ONT power consumption in standby mode (phone only) is about 6W, which equates to 125mA at 48V. This is five times higher than the normal loop current on a phone line. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but it would quickly reveal how many lines are very marginal because of water ingress etc. | |
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| | | Re: Stupid question Ah, I've always been curious about that. Unless you cut everyone over it seems you'd screw up any DSL or circuits running through there with that type of power. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | said by DMS1:said by inurenegade:why not take the old POTS line and use that as a backup power source for fios i mean its already there right? and i doubt that ont thing doesnt use too much power The ONT power consumption in standby mode (phone only) is about 6W, which equates to 125mA at 48V. This is five times higher than the normal loop current on a phone line. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but it would quickly reveal how many lines are very marginal because of water ingress etc. why not use the copper in a different method then, have the copper hooked to the ONT as a backup line itself. if the fiber goes out or the power goes out the phone in the house can just use the old POTs until the power is back. at some point in the ONT there is a spot where it goes fiber to RJ-11 and here is where the pots line could be on a switch. power fails you can go out to your ONT and throw a switch and run your phones analog(could have it automatic as well)
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join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX | Re: Stupid question said by Kearnstd:why not use the copper in a different method then, have the copper hooked to the ONT as a backup line itself. if the fiber goes out or the power goes out the phone in the house can just use the old POTs until the power is back. at some point in the ONT there is a spot where it goes fiber to RJ-11 and here is where the pots line could be on a switch. power fails you can go out to your ONT and throw a switch and run your phones analog(could have it automatic as well) Because that would defeat the entire idea behind FiOS. Eventually Verizon will deploy FiOS everywhere (or at least everywhere they care about) at which point they will rip out the copper equipment at the CO entirely. | |
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join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA |  Re: Stupid question
said by DMS1:said by Kearnstd:why not use the copper in a different method then, have the copper hooked to the ONT as a backup line itself. if the fiber goes out or the power goes out the phone in the house can just use the old POTs until the power is back. at some point in the ONT there is a spot where it goes fiber to RJ-11 and here is where the pots line could be on a switch. power fails you can go out to your ONT and throw a switch and run your phones analog(could have it automatic as well) Because that would defeat the entire idea behind FiOS. Eventually Verizon will deploy FiOS everywhere (or at least everywhere they care about) at which point they will rip out the copper equipment at the CO entirely. Exactly, people think if the Copper is there it's all hooked up to the C.O.. It's different equipment, and your Telephone Number has to be built into the new equipment. You just can't through a switch and change everything! | |
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| | | | | | Re: Stupid question said by alchav:It's different equipment, and your Telephone Number has to be built into the new equipment. You just can't through a switch and change everything! Well, there is SOME equipment SOMEPLACE that routes calls for 555-000-1212 to either the fiber or copper plant.
But I see your point. | |
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join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA |  Re: Stupid question
said by MrBradTX:said by alchav:It's different equipment, and your Telephone Number has to be built into the new equipment. You just can't throw a switch and change everything! Well, there is SOME equipment SOMEPLACE that routes calls for 555-000-1212 to either the fiber or copper plant. But I see your point. No you got it wrong, I worked for a Telco, you build a Telephone Number into Equipment. Then you connect that Equipment out to the User with Copper or Fiber. So you take your Number out of the Copper Equipment and build it into the Fiber Equipment. Then eventually all the Copper Plant and Equipment will be taken out. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Stupid question Sorry if what I meant wasn't clear.
At some level, there is equipment and/or software that "knows" that 555-000-1212 is in North Central Noplace, at the Bugspit central office. Back in the day this could be gleaned from the area code/prefix (or NPA/NXX); with number portability there is probably a "forwarding table" at the "number" CO that routes calls to the "hardware" CO.
Once the CO is identified, there is equpiment and/or software that "knows" that 555-000-1212 is in fact wire 27 on punch block 14 in rack 6 at remote terminal 17; or is subchannels 433-497 on fiber loop 67.
Somehow, somewhere, something is deciding which piece of copper wire or glass fiber is represented by 555-000-1212. You're telling me that "decision tree" is hardwired? | |
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join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA |  Re: Stupid question
When you talk about Somehow, Somewhere, those are called Routing Tables built into the Switches to Route a Dialed Number to the right piece of equipment that rings your Phone. | |
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA | said by inurenegade:why not take the old POTS line and use that as a backup power source for fios i mean its already there right? and i doubt that ont thing doesnt use too much power Like it was said, the 48V is not sufficient and that old copper line is not left hooked up to equipment in the C.O. so the voltage is not even there. As for leaving the Copper as a good back-up, that will work for a while, but Verizon does not want to maintain old Plant outside or inside the C.O.. If another Telco was to come in and use that old Copper Plant, they would have to run in mostly new stuff. So I doubt they would even bother with Copper.
I think for the future we have to be more self sufficient and look for better alternate power back-ups. | |
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