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| biased post 1. It seems anytime broadbandreports can post something negative about Verizon, they do. Are the on the cable companies dime?
2. Do cable providers provide backup batteries for their telephone offerings? Do VOIP providers? No, and the people that take those services don't complain because they understand that's the way the service is. Next time BBR wants to post this as news for the umpteenth time why not post that cable and voip providers don't have backup period and that itself makes FiOS the superior offering.
3. Verizon yanks the old copper out only if its an aerial feed, not when its buried. (Buried is usually just cut down to the ground, but it stays buried). The aerial copper drops are recycled by many techs who dump them in a particular area at their respective garages where Verizon recycles the copper.
4. Leaving the old copper makes the poles look messier than they already are, and this is a small way of cleaning up. It does not block out CLECs entirely, but the CLEC does have to pay if they want Verizon to but a copper drop back up, so the CLECs don't get a free ride anymore as far as the drop from the pole to the house, many CLECs opt not to pay the fee Verizon charges to place a new copper drop and therefore they either tell the customer they have to pay for the install or they say they can't provide service. | |
| By free ride I assume you mean the fee they paid Verizon to use their network in which Verizon made money from (as in profit)? That kind of free ride?
The same kind of free ride that Google is on right now as with speak with all the ILEC's bandwidth right?
Just out of curiousity with all this deregulation, is anyone regulating what Verizon is charging these CLECs to get that drop back in for a customer? As in, is someone making sure they are not pricing it out of reach for the CLECs to turn a profit? | |
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said by vzinfo :
2. Do cable providers provide backup batteries for their telephone offerings? YES they do I happen to work for one of the compnaies that supply them to the cable company. | |
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1. I haven't noticed an anti-Verizon bias on BBR but even if there were one why do you care so much? Are you on Verizon's dime?
2. POTS customers (which makes up the vast majority of the country) are accustomed to their telephone working even in the event of extended power outages. If this is changing (and particularly if this is changing without many of them realizing that it's changing), that is indeed news.
3. My, you certainly seem to know a lot about Verizon's practices with regard to copper. I think you've unintentionally answered question #1.
4. Yeah, sure, removing the old copper is about making sure things don't look "messy". As far as the CLECs getting a "free ride", the ILECs enjoyed a free ride of their own for a long time and perhaps you've heard about it -- it's called a "monopoly". | |
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ColossalCave | reply to vzinfo
said by vzinfo :
1. It seems anytime broadbandreports can post something negative about Verizon, they do. Are the on the cable companies dime?
Actually, no. What you see is what you get. And even while we have reached a point that we have many employees of both cable and telco's participating and assisting our members with problems in a one-on-one basis, all we ever promise any of the companies is a "level playing field". That is, we aren't going to censur any negative comments about them if those comments are honestly felt or can be substantiated. What we don't allow is for someone to just continually bash any provider with seemingly no agenda at all other than to bad mouth them.
If an ISP ain't actin' right, we be proud to make mention of it! 
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...then THINK! again!! | |
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1. I haven't noticed an anti-Verizon bias on BBR but even if there were one why do you care so much? Are you on Verizon's dime Yes I am, however you will not find one negative comment that I've made about a competitor, I only try to clarify some issues and provide information about some things that Verizon does.
2. To the poster that said cable companies provide battery backup, can you clarify if it is a battery backup at the customer's home to keep the phones running or is it to just keep the cable plant going? I really am curious because I wasn't aware that cable companies provided a battery backup at the customer premise similar to Verizon. I thought if a customer lost power, the cable modem was knocked out (if no UPS) and therefore no phone service. Does cable install a battery backup that keeps the voice portion of the cable modem going? I do know cable puts in battery backups for their own outside plant but I honestly didn't know (and still haven't seen one) for the customer's home, however, my knowledge is limited to just the cable companies in my area.
3. Many CLECs got a free ride by making false claims to the FCC and living off the fines (those companies could have never kept afloat on a legit business model), they also get a free ride by not having the costs associated with technicians, vehicles, insurance, fuel costs, tools, etc. What the CLECs pay Verizon is nowhere near what it would cost the CLEC itself to have all that overhead, so in that sense they get a free ride. (Hence why the Supreme Court shot down the FCC line sharing rules 3 times in favor of the ILECs). I'm not saying Verizon is 100% pure, because they're not, but most people consider them to be the devil without knowing all the facts. If the CLECs weren't getting a free ride, how come none of them were interested in any of the access lines Verizon is selling? Because they're not profitable, so if Verizon's not making a profit on those lines, how could they be profitting from the CLECs?
4. The whole telco monopoly claim is overused. Certain things are just natural monopolies. Cable is one of them. Just as telco gets competition from voip, cellphones, e-mail, instant messages. Cable gets competition from satellite, terrestial broadcast, iptv, and telcotv. The economics of the market simply don't allow many companies to be profitable by being overbuilders, hence no incumbent treads too much on another incumbents turf. The only real source of competition comes from other technologies that can effectively satisfy users needs. What percentage of the U.S. has a choice of two gas heat providers? (That have their own infrastructure) But you do have a choice between oil heat vs. gas heat. Where can you find two electric providers? (Both with their own infrastructure). But you can choose solar power. 2 Water companies? But you can choose to have well water. 2 sewer companies? But you can have septic. The point is that competition in certain things can only come from different technologies, and not necessarily from another provider "sharing" infrastructure that the other one built. Its like telling UPS to let FEDEX use UPS trucks and they only have to pay for the gas. A business model like that just doesn't work, and I wouldn't expect UPS to just welcome FEDEX to use their trucks, hence I wouldn't expect any company, Verizon included, to just be overwhelmed with joy at letting another company "lease" their lines at below retail rates. That's like the government telling me that I have to rent a room in my house (even if I don't want to), and I can't charge more than a certain amount. The free market is better at providing competition than the government is. Why is their competition in cellphones? Because the government kept their nose out of it. Why is there competition on the Internet? Because the government kept their nose out of it.
I've said all I wanted to say, its just my opinion, you are entitled to yours, sorry if I bored anyone with the post, feel free to disagree and express yourself, but I probably won't reply to any more comments because I think its ok to agree to disagree. | | |
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